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Old 08-16-2016, 12:15 PM
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Took my wife for her first ride on my K13S since getting it in the spring. I'm 6' and 185lbs. She's 5'6" and about 135lbs. It was very comfortable for me with no buffeting or other odd behavior. But...above 55mph she said the turbulence was almost unbearable. Strong side pressure on her helmet and general strong wind turbulence. Said she's never experienced that riding behind me on other bikes. Held tight on to the grab rails the entire ride.

OEM saddle bags were on the bike but nothing else beyond stock. I know many of you tour with your wives on the same bike. Any thoughts or ideas? I want her to be able to ride with me and may sell the KLR (never use it) and pick up an older lounge-sofa bike (a la Goldwing) just for two-up.

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Old 08-16-2016, 01:46 PM
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I'd get the older Wing for riding with your wife. JMO from what you described in your circumstances/wife's comfort issues.
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Re: Pillion experience

When I ride 2 up on my K13S, the only time I felt buffeting was if my pillion got her head too close to mine, and then we both become bobble heads affected by each other. She has learned to sit straight up and hold the grab bars, and I can't even feel her there behind me...
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Thanks guys. Charlie, to clarify, I have no wind or buffeting issues at all with her on the back...but she does. Does your wife deal with excessive turbulence or is she in somewhat smooth air?
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KS didn't work for me 2up. My brides tall so wind and a cramped leg position killed her fun on anything but the shortest of rides.
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Re: Pillion experience

Well, I'm 5'9" and she is 5', so that may be the difference... I also have Helibars installed so my riding position is more upright...

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Re: Pillion experience

You people need to dump the K13S, the POS, and get a real bike! And the GSA doesn't go fast enough for buffeting so you have that going for you.
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Re: Pillion experience

Her height may in fact be the issue. What's interesting is that she didn't experience the same on either of my earlier K12S's...but I did. I remember taking my daughter for a ride and I was getting thrown around by the wind, not her. Just the opposite on the K13. I believe they redesigned the fairings at some point and it's almost as if they moved the turbulence rearward.

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Re: Pillion experience

I'm about your height (5'11") and my wife is 5'7" and she does not get buffeting when we ride
2up. I have Helibars and the MRA touring screen. YMMV...
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Re: Pillion experience

Just a thought - is she using the same helmet that she wore on the other bikes? I have found over the years different helmets most definitely make a huge difference.
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Re: Pillion experience

My wife rides behind me all the time. I got the Sargent seat, with the removeable backrest for the pillion, and she loves it. Never had a complaint from her with regards to buffiting.

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Craig...just curious, do you use the stock windscreen or aftermarket? I'm tempted to buy an MRA touring screen but have read conflicting reports (and I have no complaints with the stock setup). Just wondering if windshield is the culprit.
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Hi Mike

I made a backrest that fits into the top of the grab rails. Made from some folded 3mm steel with a small upholstered pad

It's helped my wife to be able to really relax and she barely has to hold on now. Plus it doesn't feel like she's gonna fall off the back when the throttle gets hammered

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Re: Pillion experience

I have the opposite experience, probably due to my size. I'm 6'2", and my wife is only 4'11". I have a Corbin seat, which I am pretty sure lowers me a bit compared to the stock seat, but I'm so much taller that my wife has almost no wind on her at all.

I have my own odd issue with wind on the K1300s, but a small change has created a work-around for me. Perhaps something simple can be done to change your wind experience as well. For me, if the BMW tank bag is mounted (which it always is, because that's where I hide a radar detector), I get some extreme rippling on the front of my Airflow jacket above 70mph. I found by moving my left hand around that if I blocked the gap between my stomach and the bag, that rippling was gone. Or if I put the hand just above the back end - basically to disrupt the airflow in that area. So I bought a small waist bag (a bit larger than wallet size) and hung it around the tank bag. I put something soft in there to fill it out a bit. When I want to block that wind problem, I rotate the waist bag around so that it fills in the gap between me and the bag. If I have a different jacket on or just want some more wind on me (I'm in Arizona, it's warm...) I just rotate it to the front of the tank bag.

Could be that putting some sort of deflector on the windshield would 'fix' your problem. Or perhaps on one side, around a mirror. Try moving a hand around in the airflow, and ask your passenger if anything changes.

As a point of comparison, here's a picture my wife took while riding in Colorado last year. She's says this is her typical view while riding:
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Re: Pillion experience

I had the exact same problem when I first got the k13s. Both my wife and I are almost the same height at 5'5 and both of us suffered from terrible turbulence. In fact my wife almost vomited once.

I tried the double bubble and MRA flip up but it made no difference.
Then I bought a MRA vario that had no effect at all.

But I found a solution on another biking forum which suggested turning the spoiler on the vario upside down. This made a huge difference to both of us. It's still not perfect but it's a lot better.
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I read through some archives and found a couple of cases similar to mine that were mostly relieved by installing an MRA Touring shield, so I ordered one yesterday to try. Would really like to make this work so we can ride together more. She says it's tolerable below 55 or 60 mph, but this is a K13S...so that's not a solution!

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I don't know if anyone makes them, but I would find some small stick on lift spoiling devices and try various places on the helmet. I think buffeting is lift until the helmet changes angle due to that lift which spoils the lift. This happens in a cyclic manner = buffet. That's my theory for what it's worth.
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I thought about getting the touring shield but it looked huge, plus living in a hot and humid country would me I'd probably get no air at all.
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Susan has never complained about buffeting. I'm sure rider / passenger size matters but in more than 250,000 pillion miles on several K bikes that's just never came up.

Stock shield, XXL rider. Maybe I block some wind.
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Susan has never complained about buffeting. I'm sure rider / passenger size matters but in more than 250,000 pillion miles on several K bikes that's just never came up.

Stock shield, XXL rider. Maybe I block some wind.

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I have the opposite experience, probably due to my size. I'm 6'2", and my wife is only 4'11".

Waist high.

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Tried an MRA Touring screen which is now for sale in the classifieds. Although she said it was better, I could clearly tell that it wasn't solved. I prefer the stock design as the MRA seemed to intensify wind blast at chin-level without the benefit of chest level pressure to help take weight off wrists on long slab hauls.

So, there's now a 2012 R1200RT in my garage. Obviously, the problem is now solved. But after time on the R, it has reaffirmed my love for the KS. No comparison between the two in terms of smoothness, power, handling, comfort (yep), etc. The R12RT probably won't see much solo time. It's only got 13k on the clock. Heavy, slow, upright seating (all weight on butt bone). Smooth and stable on the slab but the fun factor is a 0 compared to the KS. Perhaps I'm just spoiled by the K. Any increases on the odometer will depend on Cathy's enthusiasm for riding with me.

BTW...why is there a stereo system with speakers in the fairing? I thought that was a Harley thing!
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The RT, even water cooled is still not the rush of a K'Sbut its far better than the oil/air.
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Haven't ridden a LC boxer yet, but have heard the low end torque is greatly improved. If we were to become a one bike household, I'm thinking a K16 might be worth a look. Something about multi-cylinder smoothness and power. We'll see how this R-bike works out for us. But the K is staying!
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My wife, 5'7 to my 5'10 reports two things about her comfort riding pillion with a stock screen: the custom BMS saddle, which elevates her a touch and drops me a touch is a godsend (it is!), and she is adamant about having the small BMW softball on the rack. I suspect their is some substantial aerodynamic interplay going on there. Twisties, ten hour days and triple digit speeds, all the same. Fwiw, my previous K13 had the MRA touring screen. She doesn't know the difference.
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Auto correct was a bit too aggressive. BMW Small Softbag. It's a tailpack from our German friends. I've got both and she only likes riding with the small one.
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Auto correct was a bit too aggressive. BMW Small Softbag. It's a tailpack from our German friends. I've got both and she only likes riding with the small one.

I've got a Corbin seat with (doughnut-style) backrest. Without a backrest, my wife always felt like she was going to get thrown off the seat under acceleration - and that was on my 1985 K100RS. So something back there is a must on my K1300s.

I've also got both BMW softbags - small and large. So far I have not ridden with a passenger and the large bag as I prefer putting that bag on the pillion seat rather than back on the rack. But my wife really likes the smaller softbag as long as there is a bit of stuff in it to maintain some shape to it. I think she prefers it over the Corbin backrest.
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I'm taller then you & found this is better for me in the last 3 yrs. MRA touring screen http://www.twistedthrottle.com/mra-x...ield-extension yet I'm 6'2 & block enough wind for my son & wife if with me
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I made a backrest that fits into the top of the grab rails. Made from some folded 3mm steel with a small upholstered pad

It's helped my wife to be able to really relax and she barely has to hold on now. Plus it doesn't feel like she's gonna fall off the back when the throttle gets hammered

I'll try and post some photos at some stage

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Doc...did you or could you post pics of your backrest solution?

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