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Old 09-02-2014, 11:27 AM
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Re: Installing 31MM rise rear shock plates

Rode to work today. WOW! To describe this in another way it feels as if the bike HAD a binding in the steering that was just repaired, and it is now better in every way. More responsive at low speed approaching stops and doing that full-lock u-turn to back into my parking spot. On the highway it holds lane position better simply because the bike is able to more effectively respond to the wind moving you around. Around curves adjusting your line is magically effortless. It was simply too stable before. Maybe at 150mph you'll miss the previous setup but otherwise it is now good enough that my gaze no longers lingers on the S1000RR that I'm too large for anyway. You're screwing yourself if you pass on this mod.
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Re: Installing 31MM rise rear shock plates

ditto

I dont miss my Sr1000 at all. Months ago when I bought this and got rid of SR, I was regretting so bad. Turns were hard and were pretty much a workout. "Binding" is the exact word I was looking for to explain the situation. Slow turns were a nightmare for me personally.

I am so glad I went for the mod. I would offer my bike for a test run to anyone who is still not sure of doing this modification.
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Re: Installing 31MM rise rear shock plates

Got some Schwabenmax 31mm risers but changing bike so never fitted them and now have no need for them. I have listed them in classifieds. Let me know if you are interested.

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Re: Installing 31MM rise rear shock plates

Greetings Gents!
I am looking for some feedback and guidance to my paticular situation regarding this modification.
I previously owned a k1200s and was satisfied but not thrilled with the handling. It had around 35k on it and I had entertained a Wilbers upgrade as this upgrade transformed the handling of the K1200RS I owned before the K1200S. The short version of the story is I crashed the K1200S on RT 80 in NC. in September and came home with 4 broken ribs and an absolutley beautiful 2009 K1300 premium from Eurosport Asheville. I have put about 1500 miles on the K1300s for a total mileage of 39800. It has brand new Road attacks and my issue is the slow, hard turn in you guys speak of in this thread. I have used PR2's on the K1200S and never felt the hesitation to turn in like the K1300S. The K1200S didn't have ESA and the K1300S does.
I am 5'-9" 275 lbs with a 30" inseam 51 yo.
Here are my questions.

1. If I go with Wilburs suspension will it address the sluggish handling issues like it transformed the RS.

2. Can I go to 31mm dog bones and lower the seat, as I'm on my tip toes now, and expect the same handling as upgraded Wilburs suspension.

3. What could I expect if I went with a lower Wilbers suspension and 31mm dog bones or is this a redundent adjustment?

Thanks in advance for your input.

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Old 11-24-2015, 04:14 PM
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Re: Installing 31MM rise rear shock plates

If you go to the Ted Porter sight shocks are on sale. My thought is if you get the proper spring for your weight you may not be so high as just putting the electric suspension on two helmets which I suspect your doing now. You might inquire about new spring for your current electronic suspension with them also. I know they are playing with rebuilding the electronic shocks but are not at present doing it. There is a suspension shop in NJ that is. The 31mm plates will raise the bike rear. Are you using the "low" factory seat? Makes a difference. I'm 5'9" and on my Wilbers inflicted 2009 KS bike I can easily sit flat footed. Tires make a huge difference in the way the bike handles. You will get many suggestions in that department! Of course the suspension lift plates make a big change. At 40K miles your shocks are nearing the end of their expensive little lives. Lots of things to think about here. Hope you get more comments. There are Plenty of threads in the files if you search on this subject. Ordering a short shock and then putting lift plates in sounds like a null situation to me.
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Re: Installing 31MM rise rear shock plates

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Greetings Gents!
I am looking for some feedback and guidance to my paticular situation regarding this modification.
I previously owned a k1200s and was satisfied but not thrilled with the handling. It had around 35k on it and I had entertained a Wilbers upgrade as this upgrade transformed the handling of the K1200RS I owned before the K1200S. The short version of the story is I crashed the K1200S on RT 80 in NC. in September and came home with 4 broken ribs and an absolutley beautiful 2009 K1300 premium from Eurosport Asheville. I have put about 1500 miles on the K1300s for a total mileage of 39800. It has brand new Road attacks and my issue is the slow, hard turn in you guys speak of in this thread. I have used PR2's on the K1200S and never felt the hesitation to turn in like the K1300S. The K1200S didn't have ESA and the K1300S does.
I am 5'-9" 275 lbs with a 30" inseam 51 yo.
Here are my questions.

1. If I go with Wilburs suspension will it address the sluggish handling issues like it transformed the RS.

2. Can I go to 31mm dog bones and lower the seat, as I'm on my tip toes now, and expect the same handling as upgraded Wilburs suspension.

3. What could I expect if I went with a lower Wilbers suspension and 31mm dog bones or is this a redundent adjustment?

Thanks in advance for your input.

Don
Don, I weigh the same as you. There is no doubt in my mind you need a stronger spring. I had 'sluggish' handling (good description!) as well, and it disappeared with properly sprung shocks. I ditched my ESA shocks and I bought from Ted a Porter; he did a nice job. I waited several thousand miles before I then added the riser plates, only because I wanted to feel and understand the incremental difference with each change I made (tires, then shocks, then riser plates). The bike now handles like a nimble 'sportbike, size XXL' for this rider. After these changes, I fell in love with the bike all over again.

PS: I contemplated #2&3 in your questions. All it did was confuse the issue...the issue is your (our) weight and the spring rate in the ESA shocks. Period. Someone took a lot of time and patience to convince me of that.
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Re: Installing 31MM rise rear shock plates

Jargon,
Thats what I thought the answer would be Thanks tons for the input!
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Re: Installing 31MM rise rear shock plates

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Thats what I thought the answer would be Thanks tons for the input!
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Don, you can read more here. Happy Thanksgiving to you and yours.

http://www.i-bmw.com/showthread.php?t=40133

It covers the tires, shocks, and riser plates.
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Re: Installing 31MM rise rear shock plates

The plates will raise the rear and change the geometry a bit.
Placing more weight on the front wheel. The bikes changes dramatically.
I'm 5'10" and 30" inseam... The bike raised but I don't feel uncomfortable.
The handling is night and day.
My friend has a stock K12S in my house.
He couldn't believe the difference. That dramatic is the improvement.

It's only a Benjamin... And very easy to do.
The handling will improve regardless of the shocks.
Of course, do invest in good suspension.

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Re: Installing 31MM rise rear shock plates

Hi has anyone installed the 31mm Riser Plates without the use of a centrestand. I have a bike lift race stand but after translating the german instructions it say not to use a rear wheel (axis stand) . I have a K1300r 2013 , We are having a go tomorrow any suggestions would be appreciated. cheers
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Re: Installing 31MM rise rear shock plates

Hi Glen, welcome

You have the information in post #1 here and more in these threads

"Question Installing Riser Plates w/OUT Center Stand" http://www.i-bmw.com/showthread.php?t=55180

"Riser Plates by Beech..." http://www.i-bmw.com/showthread.php?t=45729

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Re: Installing 31MM rise rear shock plates

Glen,

I don't have a centerstand either.
If you notices, there's a hollow "tube" that goes across the bottom of the bike.
I used a rod, and jack stands to support the bike.
My rear brake lever gets a bit squashed, but no issues so far. You might want to remove it first if you wanna feel safe there.

Then you remove the plate. It's pretty straightforward...

Good luck.

BTW, I wouldn't do this in a hurry. Make sure you do it right.
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Re: Installing 31MM rise rear shock plates

Thanks for your help worked great. I used a steel tube through the channel of the frame and axel stands to hold bike up. Also I just undid the 2 bolts on the right foot peg to ensure no pressure on the break lever.
Have just had a short ride but feels great steering alot lighter without losing stability.

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Re: Installing 31MM rise rear shock plates

if your tagging on to the end of this thread please read this for the easiest way to install these plates.
here are some pictures of how i installed the 31mm rise plates.
Put bike on rear stand ,
Remove the belly pan.
I used a small jack and put it under the seat pan it worked perfectly.

NOTE make sure to leave the bike in gear.

I added a small block of wood to distribute the force on the seat pan.

Loosen the plate bolts then jack the bike up till one of the bolts turns free,
Now the suspension is unloaded,

Remove the bolts then take a clean rag and wipe down the bearing centers,
then slide them out to one side about 1 inch.

Add some grease to the roller bearings, then push the centers to the other side, add some grease.

NOTE dont remove them as the roller bearings may fall out.

Once this is done then install the new plates with the top 2 bolts.

Now jack the rear up till the lower link hole aligns with the new plates, install the bolt.

Torque to spec 28 ft/lbs
Install the belly pan then go for a ride.

NOTE you should consider first adding the hockey puck addition to the side stand so you can retain the same lean while the bike is on its side stand
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Re: Installing 31MM rise rear shock plates

I actually made a side stand raiser for 31mm plates.

They're for sale. :-)

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Re: Installing 31MM rise rear shock plates

These plates and instructions still coming through Just installed mine and am happy with the results! Thanks
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Not sure where I read about threading mechanic's wire through the stand spring gaps to hold the spring open for stand removal but the method is quick and simple!!

The old school way to keep the side or main stand spring open is to slip a suitably sized coin between each coil, whilst the spring is extended.
Here in the UK, we have a 2p coin - a quarter or 50€ cent would also work but require greater initial outlay

A question from me, what is the correct type of grease for the lower needle roller bearings ?

I have taken on Mrs Chopps K12R Sport, and have ordered a set of 31mm riser plates.

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Re: Installing 31MM rise rear shock plates

I just use waterproof (resistant) wheel bearing grease. This job is suppose to be done every two years.
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+1 for these 31mm plates. Just rode after install. Wow. So much better/lighter steering. Putting the "sport" in sport-tourer! Thanks Beech!

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I'm sorry to say that I had to bump my price a couple of dollars after 5 years. My material costs to a serious jump for some reason unknown to me. Life goes on. I have both sizes on hand. I love hearing how happy folks are with them, my reason I make them.
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Re: Installing 31MM rise rear shock plates

Holy crap!

Just fitted Beech’s excellent 25mm plates with the help of my son-in-law.

What a transformation. Went for a quick run. Wow. Previously ran on two helmets which compared to standard was much better. However, the plates have transformed it. Looking forward to a longer run.

Thank Beech and to this thread for easy installation instructions.

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