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Old 04-24-2018, 02:23 PM
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BEWARE: Odyssey PC680

BEWARE: Odyssey PC680

I just wanted to share my observations/opinion on recent Odyssey PC680's that I've had. I bought my first Odyssey battery back in 2003 and was very happy with the battery as it lasted about 7 years. I was quite an advocate for the battery and when the time came due on my second K-RS, I bought another Odyssey and shared the "deal" that I got in this thread on June 25, 2015

http://www.i-bmw.com/showthread.php?...ighlight=pc680

That battery only made it about a year before it suffered internal damage (swollen case). Mind you, I had bought an Odyssey Branded charger that was approved for use with the PC680 and that was the ONLY charger which I used on that battery. Some irony is that I did not use an Odyssey branded changer (no idea if was Odyssey approved or not) on the FIRST PC680 that I bought in 2003 and had great results with.

With a little bit of back and forth, Odyssey warrantied out my battery that lasted just over a year (14 months), with another that went into service in October 2016, just before the Arkansas Rally. Here I am, 18 months later and again, this battery is shot. During the winter months, it was removed from my bike, and was tendered (on the Odyssey charger) monthly.

I don't know if, like so many places, production/manufacturing has moved outside the US (the prices have certainly dropped as compared to my first battery), but the quality seems to be gone IMHO. I for one will not be trying another. Looking around the internet, it seems that I'm not alone with my recent disappointment in Odyssey batteries...

https://my350z.com/forum/engine-and-...ry-review.html

https://www.amazon.com/Odyssey-PC680...l&pageNumber=1

I don't care to (RE)beat a dead horse and attempt to explain the science (or lack of), but I have had a GREAT experience with a MOTY LiPO battery that I bought somewhat on a whim (group buy) back in 2010. It has lived much of its life in a track bike which sometimes sits MONTHS at a time without being fired (or tendered) and seems no worse for wear. I almost feel guilty that I'm not ordering another MOTY, but I'm currently debating between these two for the RS given their price points are MUCH lower than I can find the equivalent MOTY currently.

https://www.summitracing.com/parts/d...240c/overview/

https://www.summitracing.com/parts/d...360c/overview/

Anyway, there it is, you've been WARNED! Do with it what you will.
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Old 04-24-2018, 03:18 PM
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Re: BEWARE: Odyssey PC680

Sorry for your troubles. I hate it when you pay a little extra thinking you are getting a superior product and you get screwed.

I wonder if there is another explanation for this.
Could this be a regulator issue?
It will be interesting to see if the new non odyssey battery does ok after a year.
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Old 04-24-2018, 04:14 PM
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Re: BEWARE: Odyssey PC680

Had my Odyssey for 4 years now without any problems (2007 K1200 GT), and just took the bike out of storage yesterday (parked in my garage here in the Great White North - Toronto); started instantly - first crank - no hesitation.
I use a Yuasa charger maintainer.
Look for other causes?

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Old 04-24-2018, 04:46 PM
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Re: BEWARE: Odyssey PC680

Matt, thanks for the info. I guess you’ve got to keep an eye on everything these days.
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Re: BEWARE: Odyssey PC680

So two batteries in a row die same charging system same charger?
I had a swollen Odyssey batt a couple of years ago it was awesome for 4 years or more cant recall. it swelled died and left me stranded was hotter than hell when I pulled the seat to check it.

mind you I let it go flat twice with my lights on and it never charged beond 90% capacity after that.

Years ago an aternator repair guy told me that a bad or marginal battery kills alternators.
well anyway the things do crank with godlike power but theyre not worth it at 30 degrees in august 100 miles from home.
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Old 04-24-2018, 08:05 PM
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Re: BEWARE: Odyssey PC680

Does INTERSTATE make batteries for bikes??? I never checked, I think that would be the battery of my choice when the time comes, if they make one. Since odysseys lack of quality has gone south.
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Re: BEWARE: Odyssey PC680

a few anecdotes is not an indication of a trend is it? Im pretty sure interstate makes bike batteries
wit yes
https://www.interstatebatteries.com/...ycle-batteries
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Re: BEWARE: Odyssey PC680

PC680 in my K75 has been there for at least 5 years. zero issues. holds charge for months, only use AGM specific charger and bike electrical system is in great shape with no parasitic drain.

odessey batteries highly recommended.....

reality is...all these AGM's are made by only a few plants and are just branded differently. I have batterymart and braille versions also. only difference is the price and color. performance all the same.

you buy AGM batteries by the pound...literally.
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Old 04-24-2018, 09:24 PM
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Re: BEWARE: Odyssey PC680

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I use a Yuasa charger maintainer.
Look for other causes?
Peter,

I appreciate the feedback. While I don't foresee myself going for round three in the near term, I would like to know that I'm just an anomaly and batteries are not cheapening.

Changes since the first Odyssey that I had which lasted 7 years....

1) physical move from VA to PA which has DRASTICALLY shortened my riding season (by about half)

2) two different K1200RS bikes

3) charger / maintainer

I suppose it's possible that I have an issue with my electrical system. If I did, I wouldn't have expected it to last as long as it actually did in that case however. I suppose that I'll do some testing, in the meantime I'll be ordering a battery and it won't be another Odyssey at least for now.

Personally, I just think that this is another example of the great cheapening of products. Years ago I had an Optima Yellow Top battery in my Toyota Sequoia which cost a small fortune. It was about 4 years old when my alternator went (at night) roughly 100 miles into a 220 mile trip. The battery got me to my destination.

I eventually replaced that Optima with another of "the same". Truth is, it wasn't "the same", it was garbage compared to the old one. Seemed that they had probably cut some corners to be "price effective" too. I don't mind paying premium money for a premium product, but when the premium product doesn't live to its billing, it's a tough swallow.
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Old 04-24-2018, 09:41 PM
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Re: BEWARE: Odyssey PC680

UPDATE:

I just went out to the garage. The battery was last tendered about 3 or 4 days ago. DIRECTLY off the tender I was able to start the bike. By the next day it would only slowly turn it over, but not enough to start it.

I just went out to the garage and measured the voltage at 12.01 at rest. I used a jump box to assist the Odyssey and started the bike, before removing the jump box. With the bike now running at idle, my RR/alternator is putting out between 14.29 and 14.36 which is in the normal range, correct? I didn't rev the bike to see if RR started putting out excess current, but at least at idle this seems normal, correct?
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Re: BEWARE: Odyssey PC680

Might not matter, yet I've found that not leaving a charger always connected seems to help. I have a NORCO-Genius (can charge wet, LI, AGM). I'll usually rotate between machines. Hook it up, let it charge & float for overnight, unplug. If not riding the machine, repeat every couple weeks of so. This keeps the bat topped up as well as let's it relax in between top up's.
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Re: BEWARE: Odyssey PC680

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UPDATE:

I just went out to the garage. The battery was last tendered about 3 or 4 days ago. DIRECTLY off the tender I was able to start the bike. By the next day it would only slowly turn it over, but not enough to start it.

I just went out to the garage and measured the voltage at 12.01 at rest. I used a jump box to assist the Odyssey and started the bike, before removing the jump box. With the bike now running at idle, my RR/alternator is putting out between 14.29 and 14.36 which is in the normal range, correct? I didn't rev the bike to see if RR started putting out excess current, but at least at idle this seems normal, correct?
I’m an airhead guy, but your VR output seems normal.
What is eating your batteries? I recently found my old Suzuki GS750E had a drain through the new electronic ignition I installed years ago. It didn’t used to do that... I ‘ve lost two new batteries as a result, before I found it.
Something has changed. (I’m buying a K1300S next week, so I’ve been luking.)
Try this. Hook up a voltmeter to the battery’s + and - leads and see if it reads open. It should. Otherwise, there’s a leak bleeding the battery to ground.
(This is what I found on my Suzuki, it would read open if I was cranking the kickstarter, otherwise, it would read about a 6K load, and the battery would be completely dead within a couple of weeks.)
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Old 04-25-2018, 06:23 AM
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Re: BEWARE: Odyssey PC680

Would this battery work in a K1300s ?https://www.shoraidirect.com/en/p102...ty-case-type-6

Physically it fits, but will the VR handle charging it? any reason this battery would be a bad idea to fit in the bike?

It would give more juice during start, it will handle more draw without loosing power, fo ex while connected to the computer and the motor is not running.
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Re: BEWARE: Odyssey PC680

The guy I get batteries from said last year he was losing the faith in Odyssey. Said they had been bought out or some such thing. Should have paid better attention.

Still I have about 4 of them floating around and some approaching 8 years in service. Some in bikes some recycled to lawn equipment.

Just bought a PC925 for my Airhead time will tell.
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Re: BEWARE: Odyssey PC680

I think its about 7 years ago that I needed a battery for my '02RS, I found a vendor who was selling a universal fit AGM battery near me (Chinese Made "UB" designation - although I think almost all batteries are made in China these days) with the proper amps for about $50. I bought it thinking it would get me through the season and I'd buy a pricier more proper battery after a year or so. It still works just fine. I have an old Yuasa "smart charger" and when I'm not riding I plug the battery into the charger for a few days, and then unplug it. I'm not exact on charging it, but I keep up on it. Check ebay for "K1200RS Battery", that's where I found the vendor. Go figure.
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Re: BEWARE: Odyssey PC680

I had a PC680 in my R1100RT for 10 years that kept working, but replaced on general principle. Since then that same battery has been used as a ground power source to start my old 1940 Piper Cub. Still putting out.

I use a standard 750 ma Battery Tender Jr to keep it charged.
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J-3 and “old” used together in the same sentence is redundant.

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