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Harley is not alone!

I just returned from the MOA national rally in Des Moines Iowa, this was my first experience with the national rally, after attending and observing, Harley Davidson is not the only one in major trouble with attracting a younger crowd. If I had to guess, I would say the average age was between 65 and 75 if I was the CEO of BMW Motorcycles and attended this rally, I would be headed back to Germany thinking were in big trouble!!!
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The saving grace maybe the track day crowd.
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Bruce? Heck, he's 83..
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Re: Harley is not alone!

All the manufactures are dealing with this. Sure the Japanese companies offer a wide range of motorcycles so certainly they get the younger riders but even so they are having trouble selling the larger displacement bikes as well.

Motorcycles are now expensive - even small bikes - heck a good dirt bike is around $10K so the younger riders simply don't have the money.

And the baby boomers the riders with the money are aging out.

Sure in certain parts of the world smaller bikes sell well - fuel is expensive - large cities are over populated so 2 wheel transportation makes a lot of sense.

None of this helps the big bike market unfortunately.

I go to the track all the time and sure there are young riders there but they are not the majority - I bet mid 40's to upper 40's is the average age.
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Bruce? Heck, he's 83..
Wow another old guy shot taken at me - and I thought we were friends?????

I am getting to be one of the older guys at most tracks days but I'm typically not the oldest. Paul you have met Douglas and Steve both of those guys are 67 and they are doing pretty darn good out on the track.

I can only hope to be alive at 83 and wow if I some how can still be riding how awesome - a goal I would like to make happen.
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Re: Harley is not alone!

Bruce,
I agree with you 100%, that's my point! The whole motorcycle industry is in major trouble, so many posters on this site seem to feel Harley is the only one in trouble because of there product, Hell me personally can care less what you ride as long as you ride!
I just could not believe how old everyone was at the rally and I mean old.
I do hope your still tearing it up 83 from what I witnessed you'd be a young 83
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I don't think you can gauge much based on participants at a rally. How many people that ride attend rally's or even know rally's exist? I've been riding for almost 18 years and have never attended or had an interest in attending a rally. I went to a bike show today sponsored by one of the local dealerships in my area and there was quite a few people there from all age groups. From what I saw most of the younger people where riding sport/naked bikes that go fast and handle well while the people a little more advanced in age were on the big Harleys, Hondas and a few trikes.

My personal opinion is the price of bikes is keeping young people off motorcycles. To many bikes are 10, 15, 20, even 30 thousand dollars so even if some wanted to ride they can't afford to. Why pay 15 or 20 grand for a bike with no protection from the elements when you can spend the same amount of money on a nice car????? Plus this next generation of young people are more obsessed with their smart phones than anything else.
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Re: Harley is not alone!

This is BMWs MOA national rally!! Thousands were there. From all over the world.
This may not interest you, but I feel many know of rally's if there is an interest. I take it you've never been to a Harley rally. They have tens of thousands.
My only point I was trying to make is: Harley is not the only manufacturer thats in trouble with the aging population that has interest of motorcycling and I personally was amazed at how old the average age looked at the rally, and that I really did not see many youngins there. Bruce was making that point pretty clear as well. For some reason the younger generation is not even interested in driving, they would just prefer to uber it!
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This is BMWs MOA national rally!! Thousands were there. From all over the world.
This may not interest you, but I feel many know of rally's if there is an interest. I take it you've never been to a Harley rally. They have tens of thousands.
My only point I was trying to make is: Harley is not the only manufacturer thats in trouble with the aging population that has interest of motorcycling and I personally was amazed at how old the average age looked at the rally, and that I really did not see many youngins there. Bruce was making that point pretty clear as well. For some reason the younger generation is not even interested in driving, they would just prefer to uber it!:shake:
I think you have hit on another good point.

The kids today have the world at their finger tips - when we were young bikes and cars enabled us to find and see the world.

With the creation of Uber and Zip cars it most certainly plays into younger people not owning vehicles be it two wheeled or four wheeled.

My daughter lives in Boston she sold her car just before moving there 3 years ago. She has said many times only on a few occasions has she wished she had her own vehicle.

Perfect example yesterday she had to bring her cats to the vets - 20 minutes away from where she lives - took an Uber both ways - door to door cost her $20.00.

Why in the world would these kids want to own a motorcycle or car in the bigger cities?

And as far as motorcycles go - today's kids unless they truly have a passion for bikes just aren't interested.

I loved motorcycles for as long as I can remember - got a mini-bike and all of a sudden the world opened up to me - the times are so different.
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Most youngins on motorcycles are basically squids...and all the others are supposedly "happy" with their ubers...since they are most concerned with their Fedbook & Tweeter postings "likes", than growing up & learning how to ride..and actually get a job to be able to afford it...as well as move out of Daddy's & Mommy's .... they will still be children well into their fifties..

Not to mention, to most, it's more important to don a mask & go protest "fascism" , "gender equality", and be hateful...since they seem to believe they are deemed to be privileged..The public fool system & colleges have seen to that...

The industry seems to realize that most new sales will be to those who have grown up, yet
with the introduction of the 300-400cc market, they are trying to bring in the younger crowd. Problem is, the younger crowd isn't interested, since they have slave hive minds, and no purchasing power. No way they will get rid of that $150 a month fartphone bill to exchange it for a cycle payment.

The enslavement of the children is in full force & there is no stopping it.
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Re: Harley is not alone!

To toss in an alternative to the discussion, an industry which has surged recently and is pulling from the same demographic is mountain bikes. The technology used in those bikes has really changed the sport in recent times. To those who aren't in shape to get themselves up the hills, there are MTB parks at ski areas have popped up which add a social aspect to the day between rides down the hill. Downhill MTB is only a segment of the sport which has something for everyone from the adrenaline junky to the old bike path ride with the kids. I was at Burke Mountain one day this spring and in seeing the relatively long lift line it struck me that most of these people would have been buying motorcycles in the past but chose this activity instead.
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Most youngins on motorcycles are basically squids...and all the others are supposedly "happy" with their ubers...since they are most concerned with their Fedbook & Tweeter postings "likes", than growing up & learning how to ride..and actually get a job to be able to afford it...as well as move out of Daddy's & Mommy's .... they will still be children well into their fifties..

Not to mention, to most, it's more important to don a mask & go protest "fascism" , "gender equality", and be hateful...since they seem to believe they are deemed to be privileged..The public fool system & colleges have seen to that...

The industry seems to realize that most new sales will be to those who have grown up, yet
with the introduction of the 300-400cc market, they are trying to bring in the younger crowd. Problem is, the younger crowd isn't interested, since they have slave hive minds, and no purchasing power. No way they will get rid of that $150 a month fartphone bill to exchange it for a cycle payment.

The enslavement of the children is in full force & there is no stopping it.

You make some good points but rest assured there are a lot of smart hard working young people out there. I was privileged to be an instructor at Princeton, Villanova and Temple University's and the majority of kids are not caught up in all the protesting and bad mouthing the country but you'd never know they existed because the news media focuses on the loud mouthed minority.
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You make some good points but rest assured there are a lot of smart hard working young people out there. I was privileged to be an instructor at Princeton, Villanova and Temple University's and the majority of kids are not caught up in all the protesting and bad mouthing the country but you'd never know they existed because the news media focuses on the loud mouthed minority.

Agreed...my Son is one who has excelled...stayed away from the socialist programming, focused on his goals & @ 27, is far ahead of most of his peers.

And he actually likes firearms...(maybe 'cause Dad took him shoot'n @ an early age.)
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I think SKYGRZ is on to something. I live in a midsize city (about 165K population) that had three motorcycle dealers. Over the last 15 years, the area has slowly changed it's political leaning. Now it is clearly and proudly far, far left. In that same time, all the dealers closed up shop and none have returned. Even the Vespa dealer left! Closest dealers are now an hour or more away, with some being in smaller cities. What we do have now is an enclave of "Resistance", anti-Trump, anti-rights, etc etc. Homelessness is up, voting population is down. Three police chiefs in two years, disruptive protests, yada yada yada. Don't get me wrong, we are generally an affluent area and wealth abounds. It's just that the "new buyer market" is made up of millennials who are more interested in "safe" endeavors rather than those pastimes that have some inherent risk.
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I hadn't been to a rally till I was 45... It isn't something that you go to by yourself.


New riders would be overwhelmed by the sheer size of that gathering.


And then, there's always the time factor involved. They can't just say that they're going on holidays.


Rallies don't really project a clear message about the age groups.


On the other hand, my partner's two boys ( aged 19 and 21) are each going to pick up a 450cc motocross next weekend. They just wanna get dirty...
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