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Old 09-12-2014, 06:04 AM
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Issue with K1300S engine

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I am new to this. I recently got stranded on the freeway with my K1300S (2011, 70.000miles, garaged, regularly serviced). There was a distinct engine noise and loss of power. The BMW dealership says they found debris in the engine oil, possibly from a gasket (?). At any rate they want to disassemble the engine to find out. The beginning price is $3000. The alternative would be to find a new engine, they say. Does anyone have any idea what I might do? Thanks a bunch.
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Re: Issue with K1300S engine

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Welcome to the site. Sorry to read your first post is in regard to an engine problem. Very hard to say what happened to your engine.

Since it is a 2011 - but way over on miles as far as the warranty is concerned I would still try for some help from BMW.

Putting aside BMW helping you - ask your dealer how many hours it will take to open up the engine to determine what happened. I would think they can give you an answer without you spending a fortune.

The beginning price of $3K I would think is what they are saying the total repair will be at the least not the cost to open it up.

If something let go - which it seems did - it may be better for you to find another engine.

Good luck and keep us posted.
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Re: Issue with K1300S engine

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Hi folks,
I am new to this. I recently got stranded on the freeway with my K1300S (2011, 70.000miles, garaged, regularly serviced). There was a distinct engine noise and loss of power. The BMW dealership says they found debris in the engine oil, possibly from a gasket (?). At any rate they want to disassemble the engine to find out. The beginning price is $3000. The alternative would be to find a new engine, they say. Does anyone have any idea what I might do? Thanks a bunch.
Sven, welcome to the asylum!

Like Bruce, I am sorry to hear of your misfortune. I had this happen to my first bike many years ago. If I remember correctly, it was a piece of the oil filter that broke off and munched the engine, under warranty, thankfully, for a poor college student.

Bruce has much practical experience in these areas, and I would hire him to speak on your behalf...seriously, follow his advice. If you can gather all your documentation of services performed, I think that will be important with your discussion with The Mothership. Good Luck, and keep us posted.
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Re: Issue with K1300S engine

Another thing to consider - when was the last time your dealer did any service to the bike - and what type of service was it?

Your dealer may or may not have played a part in this - so start by ruling this out.

And to be fair when was the last time anyone did any work on the bike - including yourself?

What you need to do is present facts - no finger pointing - no screaming and yelling - if you are looking for help from either your dealer or BMW the one thing you need to do is stay calm.
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Re: Issue with K1300S engine

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Another thing to consider - when was the last time your dealer did any service to the bike - and what type of service was it?

Your dealer may or may not have played a part in this - so start by ruling this out.

And to be fair when was the last time anyone did any work on the bike - including yourself?

What you need to do is present facts - no finger pointing - no screaming and yelling - if you are looking for help from either your dealer or BMW the one thing you need to do is stay calm.
Great all around advice... you can always go on a blood fueled, bullet ridden rampage but I would save that as a last result.

Good luck and do keep us posted.
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Re: Issue with K1300S engine

The good thing is that they will have all of the service records, the bike being properly maintained by BMW will go in your favor.

I would take the risk and have them inspect it for damage and then decide where to go from there. At this point you do not have enough information do make a decision.

If it needs a major engine rebuild I would opt for a new engine.

As others have said, play along with them like they are on your side until you have answers. Never bring out the fangs unless they are required. If they are going to help you with the cost, human nature dictates that you stand a much better chance if they like you.
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Re: Issue with K1300S engine

just curious.. how much are new engines and are they fresh batches or are prebuilt and sit in crates till someone wants them.

If a new one is 5K for instance, I wont spend 3K at all. It will still be a 70K mile old engine with no warranty
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Re: Issue with K1300S engine

If, as someone suggested, it could be a piece of the oil filter that detached and caused the problem, you could try to hold the manufacturer of the filter responsible for providing a defective filter. To do that, you will need to find out exactly what the problem is and what was the cause.

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Re: Issue with K1300S engine

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just curious.. how much are new engines and are they fresh batches or are prebuilt and sit in crates till someone wants them.

If a new one is 5K for instance, I wont spend 3K at all. It will still be a 70K mile old engine with no warranty

Yep that's the way I see it as well.
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Re: Issue with K1300S engine

A complete engine form BMW is cost prohibitive.

#Part Number DescriptionlbQtyEach01 11 00 7 713 462 BLACK ENGINE176.59 1 $14097.96

A short block is much cheaper.

#Part Number DescriptionlbQtyEachBLACK :01 11 00 7 713 463 CRANKCASE/CRANKSHAFT/CON ROD/PISTON121.25 1 $4407.07
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Re: Issue with K1300S engine

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A complete engine form BMW is cost prohibitive.

#Part Number DescriptionlbQtyEach01 11 00 7 713 462 BLACK ENGINE176.59 1 $14097.96

A short block is much cheaper.

#Part Number DescriptionlbQtyEachBLACK :01 11 00 7 713 463 CRANKCASE/CRANKSHAFT/CON ROD/PISTON121.25 1 $4407.07

Bruce - $14k?! Is there something more to a "black engine" than a short engine with the cylinder head already attached?
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Re: Issue with K1300S engine

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The alternative would be to find a new engine, they say.

When they said that did they mean you or them,I'd ask for their advise put them in the driving seat you only need to take over when money is involved,can the shop source a motor or can they get one from BM at the right money as you have played the game of having it serviced etc.

Your situation is not unusal all part of why I get upset when the blinkered BMW lot start preaching!! I know of at least two motors going pop( from personnel experience) one of those was while travelling in Switzerland BM came out collected the bike and him,put him up in a hotel that night came back the following morning took him to the airport gave him a plane ticket home and the bike turned up at his house 6 weeks later with a new motor with a don't ask any questions because you won't get any answers BMW know the drill it's happened enough!!!!!and hence why us guys in the UK run extended warranties because of such.

As Mike said play along with them,but I wouldn't have the motor stripped at your cost not with 70 thou on it not unless BM want to help.
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Bruce - $14k?! Is there something more to a "black engine" than a short engine with the cylinder head already attached?
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That is a complete engine ready to go no swapping anything. Insane price - yes it is. That is right off of Max's BMW parts fiche.
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very nice post....
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Re: Issue with K1300S engine

Thanks, guys, this is all very helpful -- and kind of encouraging. I'll take a close look at the service record, receipts etc. etc. and see what can be done. Funnily enough, I am in Berlin for the year with the Mothership of Motherships a few tram stops away. I may just have to stop by and tell them what happened to me in far far away California....Thanks again! Sven
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Mike:

That is a complete engine ready to go no swapping anything. Insane price - yes it is. That is right off of Max's BMW parts fiche.

OK. From the realoem web page, the picture of the "black engine" does not look like it includes the "externals". For $14k, you might as well just buy a complete new bike to get your new engine.
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OK. From the realoem web page, the picture of the "black engine" does not look like it includes the "externals". For $14k, you might as well just buy a complete new bike to get your new engine.
Yes it comes complete and I agree - why would anyone buy the motor for that price - just buy another bike.
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Re: Issue with K1300S engine

I wouldn't get too excited about retail price doesn't mean a thing it's all to do with the relationship between bike owner and dealer and BM as this post shows.

http://www.i-bmw.com/showthread.php?p=636681#post636681
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I wouldn't get too excited about retail price doesn't mean a thing it's all to do with the relationship between bike owner and dealer and BM as this post shows.

http://www.i-bmw.com/showthread.php?p=636681#post636681
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I agree the relationship you have with your dealer is extremely important. I'm going to go out on a limb - as good as my dealer has been - no way they would submit a warranty claim for me for a clogged radiator - Tom is very fortunate.
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