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Old 05-17-2014, 01:31 PM
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Metzeler M7RR

I've been running the Z8 M/Os for a short while and they ride beautifully, will last '000s of miles, and feel like excellent steady Eddy/commuting tyres. But for proper sporty riding, they just don't offer the absolute level of grip to give confidence - especially when pushing the KS around. So I've just picked up a set of the new Metzeler M7RRs from my local tyre place, FWR - no doubt familiar to the Londoners on this forum.

They are only just trickling into the UK supply wise, and initial feedback from those trying them out for the first time are saying that the carcass profile is more aggressive/pointy compared to the Z8 which has a very rounded profile. This makes them a quicker turning tyre. Grip levels are also significantly up, and wet weather performance feedback says they are rock solid. Naturally, mileage expectations will be lower compared to the Z8s, but I would happily trade some mileage for grip and responsiveness when putting the hammer down. In short, they are supposedly the 'new Diablo Rosso Corsa' with a fraction more bias towards the road and wet weather grip - I have high expectations then, as the DRCs are one of my all time favourite tyres.

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Re: Metzeler M7RR

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I will be looking for your initial ride report with these tires. I smoked a set of Q3's in 3K miles. Have a set of PR4's now will see how they shake out in regard to performance and mileage.
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Sure thing. Tyre technology has really come on leaps and bounds the past couple of years. For the past couple years, it feels like we've had to choose from dry grip, mileage, wet grip, or responsiveness/handling - you could pick from one of a couple of these, but never all.

Reference benchmarks of late were certainly the PR3, but they lacked handling. I think the Z8 moved things on: handling+wetgrip in particular, but dry grip remains lacking. So I'm really hoping that perhaps the latest M7RRs give a 'bit more' of all of them, although for the mileage I do I would be happy to forgo a bit of mileage for the other 3. Fingers crossed!
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Thanks Ade for this information

As Bruce said, will be very interesting your comparision with Z8's , I liked the result of them compared with my earlier Michelin Pilot road 2 and 3
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Yes Ade, very much interested in what you think about these tires.
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Me as well.

The tread pattern looks familiar.
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Much interest here too. My SCs are close to EOL and although I love them, their wet performance leaves much to be desired, so if the 7RR is up to the job .?
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I'm a fan of the Sportec M5s which I see they still offer but I'll take the 20% greater mileage if it's true.
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I've had these tyres fitted yesterday. I've done under 200 miles since and liking the Metzellers SPORTEC M7 RR. The bike feels stable and predictable and corners better without the sudden lean in when cornering compared to other new tyres. So far they are confidence inspiring compared to my previous stock Metzellers M3. The bike seems more flickable than before. I would definitely recommend these tyres and thinking about putting them on my Buell [currently running Pirelli Diablos Rosser 2] if I keep it and change the tyres.



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In short, they are supposedly the 'new Diablo Rosso Corsa' with a fraction more bias towards the road and wet weather grip - I have high expectations then, as the DRCs are one of my all time favourite tyres.

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What kind of mileage did you get out of the DRC's?

I'm just about to pull the trigger on a set of Rosso II's as the pirelli rep said they would give a bit more mileage than the DRC's but still give excellent high performance grip.
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I'm subscribed. Looking forward to hearing more. These may be THE tire to pair with 31mm riser plates/dogbones/deflection plates.
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What kind of mileage did you get out of the DRC's?

I'm just about to pull the trigger on a set of Rosso II's as the pirelli rep said they would give a bit more mileage than the DRC's but still give excellent high performance grip.

I only managed about 3.5k miles out of the DRCs - not on a KS, but on a lighter Suzuki K6 1000. They are superb fast road/occasional track tyres, but come at the expense of mileage. Rosso2s do provide more mileage and are a more road oriented tyre - I have friends who run them on Tuonos and they offer plenty of grip for some real hooliganism.

If you consider the M5s mileage, and the +20% claim from metzeler, I'm hoping to get 4.5-5k miles from a set of the M7RRs on the KS.
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I only managed about 3.5k miles out of the DRCs - not on a KS, but on a lighter Suzuki K6 1000. They are superb fast road/occasional track tyres, but come at the expense of mileage. Rosso2s do provide more mileage and are a more road oriented tyre - I have friends who run them on Tuonos and they offer plenty of grip for some real hooliganism.

If you consider the M5s mileage, and the +20% claim from metzeler, I'm hoping to get 4.5-5k miles from a set of the M7RRs on the KS.

Thanks. If I can get 4k mikes out of a pair of rosso II's and get better grip than the stock m3's I'm a happy man
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Just to say that I got 4370 miles out of both Metzeller M3's. I reckon I could have got a tad more maybe out of the rear and the front had anything up to 1000 miles I estimated left of tread. I only ride for pleasure mostly country twisty roads in the dry.
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Well, I just returned from a 12 day roadtrip with the M7RRs. I rode solo, empty panniers, and with the 50L Motorrad duffle on the back filled with personal belongings for the 12 day road trip.

Let me start by saying that the M7RRs are BEAUTIFUL tyres. Bump absorbtion is excellent - better than any other tyre I've tried before. They role and transition with consistency and at a perfect 'medium' rate: ie, quicker than Dunlops but slower than Michelin PP3s (nb, not the PR3). In short, very similar to the Pirelli Rosso Corsa which remains IMHO one of the finest fast road/track tyre.

In the dry, grip is never lacking. I tested these at 35C air temp on hot Pyrenean asphalt, and in the Austrian Alps up the Grossglockner where snow was falling!

In the wet, there is noticeably more chemical grip than the PR3s. They were fantastic in damp conditions where traction and grip remained superb through tree lined high speed sweepers where the tarmac was not always dry. And they were ultra stable too - thankfully with none of the squirming of PR3s where the tread blocks move. (something my riding buddy complained of on his ZZR14 through the exact same sweepers when we got off the bikes to compare notes)

In the pouring wet where water was still standing, the M7RRs showed some slight nervousness at speed - the Z8s and PR3s clear more standing water.


BUT after just 2800 miles, the M7RRs are worn down to the wear bars. At around 2200 miles (with about 1.5mm to the wear bars), there was a noticeable drop off in performance. Grip fell off significantly, and the carcass felt thin with some rear carcass deflection under high acceleration or tramlining when following crowned roads. They have worn very evenly with no cupping or flat spots, and I would recommend them as a fast road tyre. Just don't expect the mileage.

After 2800 miles, fairly evenly worn to the wear bars, although there is slightly more tread left on the sides (normal). No squaring. Time to change!
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Thanks for the report.

You had me sold until you mentioned 2800 miles, no thanks.
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Ade, what kind of mileage have you gotten from other tires? Name them if you can remember.
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Sure thing. Tyre technology has really come on leaps and bounds the past couple of years. For the past couple years, it feels like we've had to choose from dry grip, mileage, wet grip, or responsiveness/handling - you could pick from one of a couple of these, but never all.

Reference benchmarks of late were certainly the PR3, but they lacked handling. I think the Z8 moved things on: handling+wetgrip in particular, but dry grip remains lacking. So I'm really hoping that perhaps the latest M7RRs give a 'bit more' of all of them, although for the mileage I do I would be happy to forgo a bit of mileage for the other 3. Fingers crossed!
I'm not hearing anything bad about the PR4's and saw a few sets of them at SSR.
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Ade, what kind of mileage have you gotten from other tires? Name them if you can remember.

Here are the main ones (approx mileage) - mind you, these have been ridden on 3 of my bikes - all 1000+cc. I think most riders will get more mileage out of their tyres than I do as I don't do many motorways, and will change them when they get close to the wear bars or performance noticeably drops off.

PP3s - 2200 miles
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Just ordered a set of M7's for my Ducati 916 for "Sunday morning rides".
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I put M7s on my S1000RR a few months back (after only ever using K3s), and I have been very impressed by them. They gave me lots of confidence on track too (I'm average fast group pace).

I am definitely thinking of them for the K13 when the M3s go....and maybe even sooner - can't say I have enjoyed the M3s thus far.... I even managed a two-wheel drift on a roundabout near the house last week... which means I probably need to go to the underwear shop before I think about a tyre retailer!! That was clearly just cold tyres so that does not contribute to my assessment of the M3s.... :-)

My main worry with the M3s is the number of slips I have felt at very modest lean angles - anyone else had that?
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My main worry with the M3s is the number of slips I have felt at very modest lean angles - anyone else had that?

I didn't have slippage, but then I live in the Arizona desert, and 55F degrees is cold here.

My problem with the M3's was that they wore out extremely quickly - under 3000 miles.

I'm very happy with Pirelli Angel GT's now. On my second set. They have at least double the life of the M3's, and feel very stable while cornering.
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The Z8s worked well on my old K13 and gave decent mileage - around, 4,500/5,000 on the rear. I thought they had a nice combination of wet weather grip and reasonably quick and progressive turn in, so they were a good "sport-touring" type of tyre. The dry grip was fine but I don't need ultra sticky grip in the dry as most tyres grip fine in the dry. The Bridgestone BT30s on my XR are working and lasting well. I've got 4,500 on the rear with maybe another 1,000 to go, and I'm always happy if I can get >5,000 from a rear.
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Jut checking my bike for a trip to Germany in 2 weeks. Bike has 2300 miles, looks like there is about 1000 miles left on the M3s it was delivered with...so time to change. I am fed up thinking about the tyres to change to... so I'm going with M7s. I'll let you know how I fare.

Random place to put this, but research has shown that German police have closed many roads to motorbikes at certain times of day/weekends. I know they have a big problem with hells angels on choppers, maybe that's why they've done it. Anyone heard of this/know more?
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Hells angles in Germany? Blimey.
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Random place to put this, but research has shown that German police have closed many roads to motorbikes at certain times of day/weekends. I know they have a big problem with hells angels on choppers, maybe that's why they've done it. Anyone heard of this/know more?

I have heard that sometimes on weekends they ban bikes from the B500 but that is hearsay not based on personal experience.
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Just out the M7rr's in my K12 and rode 300 miles in pouring rain. Excellent so far!
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So, just back from my trip to Germany. 1500 miles - 600 on the motorway and the rest fairly evenly split between windies and twisties..... and 80% of them in miserable heavy rain. Apologies if the following sounds a little too gushing but I was really worried about using the bike for this trip, and now I'm so happy I took it....

The change of tyres is like having bought a brand new (and much sportier) bike. The M7s have totally transformed it. From being a bike that I was very reluctant to lean I now have almost no chicken strips after throwing the bike around the Eiffel mountains the last few days (and, sadly, only 1 lap of the Nurburgring). The change is so profound that I struggle to believe it is all about the choice of tyre, I really do wonder if the rear M3 was part of a bad batch or something.

Rain performance was brilliant (non-europeans just need check the news about France/Germany to know how bad things have been this week). There is loads of tread left on the tyres so I'm sure that I will surpass the 3500-4000 miles that I think I'd have got out of the M3s, if I'd left them on - and that's even though the bike has spent 3 of the 5 days at an almost constant lean, and riding way harder than I was ever prepared to do on M3s.

Germany: there are so many amazing roads out there. There are indeed many roads across the country that bikes are banned from at certain times. It all seems to be driven by accident statistics, and they only put them in where there is a reasonable detour bikers can follow. See http://www.mintelonline.de/Streckensperrungen/ or for more details.

There were only two of these near me and I found them both, only got to ride one - as you might expect, they are exactly the kind of roads you'd want to ride on a bike, so you have to accept the logic for the ban - sadly I saw enough bikes on their side on the roads we are allowed to ride....
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When comparing any tyre to an M3 it is going to be a revelation
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A bit of an update.

the M7RR was great, with one major exception. I crashed the bike when the rear end got loose.

The tires were great, they tracked well, had good wet weather management properties. And they heated up quickly and were sticky like glue after a good run on the mountain roads.

At some point in a left hander though, the rear let go and spun out and I low-sided into a guard rail. Didn't hit anything, road was smooth, from what I remember, and what my buddy behind me said, the K bike just over powered the tire. You could see where the tire spun after it broke traction.

Do I blame the tire? Of course not. But would I ever buy them again? No. Maybe just a little superstitious/paranoid. I'll be going back to Q3's or PP3's.
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Re: Metzeler M7RR

ive just fitted these to my 1300r .....I thought the m3E were bad ,these are awful ..the rear flexes too much ,you have the feeling of a bike that lacks rebound damping or low tyre pressure,the front feels like its lacking grip hard cornering as the rear is loaded up ,feels like its running away from you ...don't inspire confidence
the stock m3e I could ride to edge but lacked edge grip I needed due to the way I ride ,and yes I rather do twisties,as for these hoops inspire bugger all
so ill be contacting Pirelli as they suggested these along with angle gt a specs
according to metzeler pdf 2014 it suggested a B spec tyre for rear ,when i spoke to Pirelli they said don't fit B spec as they have never tested them ......
ps my m3e lasted 1500 miles on rear by the way so you can grasp i don't hang around ,as for the front id probably could have got another 1k out of it but ive always fitted tyres in pairs to avoid unusual handling often associated with worn tyres
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Re: Metzeler M7RR

Have you ever noticed that the fastest SBK and MotoGP riders are fast because they make the smoothest transitions from throttle to brakes to throttle, resulting in superior tire management and speed?? Unreasonable tire wear is not indicative of fast and skillful riding, it's an indication of throttle and brake abuse... JMHO
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I must be super smooth then. I get lots of miles out of tires with front and rear wearing at the same rate. My brake pads show almost zero wear in 24,000 KS miles too. Bruce says I don't go fast enough to wear either of them out.
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The M3's on the K are thankfully due a change in the next few months and the M7 was recommended. The M3 never gave me confidence in the bends and spoilt a trip to Spain last year but the bike was new and I was getting to grips with it. Weirdly they have got better now they are squaring off. There are now new tyres from Avon that may be worth a look but the mainly positive ones on the M7 look good. I had a Zzr1100 for 13 years and rears rarely lasted past 4000 miles.
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