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Old 05-22-2018, 12:13 PM
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Re: H-D cutting jobs, closing a US plant and expanding over seas..

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"Itís a pattern thatís played out over and over since the tax cuts passed ó companies profit, shareholders reap the benefits, and workers get left out."
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"Itís a pattern thatís played out over and over since the tax cuts passed ó companies profit, shareholders reap the benefits, and workers get left out."


Because workers don't become shareholders?
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Pete,

I know that you and I don't see eye to eye on most things political, but if you think that Harley is closing a plant due to the tax cuts, I gotta think that you are something.

I'm going with the fact that their core group of enthusiasts are slowly dying off and the younger generation aren't buying cars let alone motorcycles.
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Re: H-D cutting jobs, closing a US plant and expanding over seas..

The market is fluided with good used ones....much cheaper...starting to be that way with BMW....if you want one...cheap... I canít see spending 25K on a new bike when you can get a used one with low miles for 7K or less.... with extras....
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I know that you and I don't see eye to eye on most things political, but if you think that Harley is closing a plant due to the tax cuts, I gotta think that you are something.

I'm going with the fact that their core group of enthusiasts are slowly dying off and the younger generation aren't buying cars let alone motorcycles.

That's a quote from the article.
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Re: H-D cutting jobs, closing a US plant and expanding over seas..

HD back in the late 80's came out with the Evolution engine right at a time when buy American was huge.

Factor in all the baby boomers that had grown up wanting an HD but for many reasons could not get one.

Then they grew up had money and wanted one and could not get one. The more they were told they could not get one the more they wanted one.

HD was struggling to meet the demand, their dealers many whom had been long time dealers that had struggled for years to make a living were now all becoming wealthy. The American dream in full force.

The motor company had come back from near death and they were closing in on their 100th year anniversary and having one of the best marketing teams in the nation exploited all of this.

The 12 partners that bought HD back from AMF had pulled off one of the greatest comebacks in American history.

The company was doing everything it could to build more and more motorcycles before the iconic 100th year in business (2003) arrived.

They knew they could ride this wave for sure up to the 100th anniversary so they expanded opened the Kansas City plant in 1999.

During these years engineering got better at changing the bikes just enough to keep up with the federal regs and not lose the traditional customer.

Then 2003 came and went baby boomers came and went and 10's of thousands of used HD's were now for sale.

Sure the sales are down they will need to figure out future demand they don't need the Kansas plant and it will be no surprise even when they get the correct production numbers under control they let demand build a little.

HD made so much money from the mid eighties until the mid 2010's they will survive for a long time.

They may not have another run like they just had but HD if you check into it's history has had many struggles and be it brilliant business decisions or luck and circumstances they will figure it
out.

As a man who was born in the late 50's and grew up seeing all these amazing American iconic companies thrive and provide so many products I've wanted and owned I for one hope HD makes it to their 200th anniversary.
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Re: H-D cutting jobs, closing a US plant and expanding over seas..

HDs greatest invention was the 700cc Japanese sport bike. The 750cc and over tariff was harsh but I dont think it was in place too long. Does anyone recall buying bikes in the US at the time and having the tariff entice them into buying an HD?
Who was the trade enemy then? Japan iirc. Oh well all the good bits are Japanese designed and made in china now.
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