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Old 08-18-2012, 05:32 PM
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My 1998 K1200RS was purchased last year with 3800 miles on it. It sat in a HD dealership in the back room as it was the owners bike. Tires still had the little rubber nubs on them.

I don't think it ever had a full brake flush in its life.

Bought the bike knowing about the ABS, hoping a good flush and rise would work out . I even bought a GS911 hoping I could reset the error for good.

Dreaded plunger error. Just last year that would have been the kiss of death for an ABS II unit. Then, over on the BMW MOA web site, a fellow owner told the group about

http://modulemaster.com/store/

A few emails with the head technician and my unit was sent off to them. For $350 they repaired my unit! Plus it comes with a five year warranty.

When I mean rebuilt, it literally looks brand new. They bead blasted the main body. It looks new!

I know they must have looked at the circuit board as the tamper proof screws were replaced with Allen head screws. They were very careful pulling the bottom pan off the unit. You can barely see any tool marks.

Usual disclaimers, I have no financial interests in the company. Just a satisfied customer (BMW customer) that saved about $1800us from buying a new unit.

Yes, these units can be saved and be put back into service again.

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Great news! A reliable source is great to know about!

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Re: ABS II was Rebulit by Module Master

Thanks for the update. This is GREAT news for ABSII units - mainly for 1998 to 2001 model of the K1200RS.

I have not heard yet that they can also repair the more complex IABS units (with servos) - anyone here knows ??
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Thanks for the update. This is GREAT news for ABSII units - mainly for 1998 to 2001 model of the K1200RS.

I have not heard yet that they can also repair the more complex IABS units (with servos) - anyone here knows ??

Oh oh... you mean... ça s'applique pas au mien?
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Thanks for the update. This is GREAT news for ABSII units - mainly for 1998 to 2001 model of the K1200RS.

I have not heard yet that they can also repair the more complex IABS units (with servos) - anyone here knows ??

I've got a 03 KRS with partial integral ABS. Not sure if it's the same as yours but I emailed the company an inquiry whether they service my unit. Let me know if it's the same as yours and I'll let you know what they have to say.
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I've got a 03 KRS with partial integral ABS. Not sure if it's the same as yours but I emailed the company an inquiry whether they service my unit. Let me know if it's the same as yours and I'll let you know what they have to say.

Sorry, your unit is the next generation. Suppose to be more reliable.

I feel that Uncle Fritz dropped the ball on this. They should have a recall on abs ii and iabs units. Easy recall, those that have failed and those that will fail!

The technician told me bad solder connections on the circuit board were my problem. That is a manufacturing defect, not maintenance. I'm not suggesting giving it away but provide a reasonable exchange or rework program. In my opinion, $2200us is not reasonable.
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I've got a 03 KRS with partial integral ABS. Not sure if it's the same as yours but I emailed the company an inquiry whether they service my unit. Let me know if it's the same as yours and I'll let you know what they have to say.

Also, beemerbone yard occasionally has units. Keep an eye out for one.

Finally, i purposely locked up the rear wheel and heard (and feeled) the abs unit do its job!

I am a very happy camper now.
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Thanks for the update. This is GREAT news for ABSII units - mainly for 1998 to 2001 model of the K1200RS.

I have not heard yet that they can also repair the more complex IABS units (with servos) - anyone here knows ??
I know you can buy new motors, ($207.00 ea). When I took mine apart the motors were junk. Rather then spending the time and headache and the mistrust on BMW brake systems I just had the whole unit replaced with new, one day ...done. Will it happen again? sure it will, but just look at it as part of the cost of doing 100,000 miles. With the install by Max it is covered for one year, parts and labor. If you send it out and have it rebuilt there is no coverage in labor, install or operation. plus the fact it has to be programed and faults erased.
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My 1998 K1200RS was purchased last year with 3800 miles on it. It sat in a HD dealership in the back room as it was the owners bike. Tires still had the little rubber nubs on them.

I don't think it ever had a full brake flush in its life.

Bought the bike knowing about the ABS, hoping a good flush and rise would work out . I even bought a GS911 hoping I could reset the error for good.

Dreaded plunger error. Just last year that would have been the kiss of death for an ABS II unit. Then, over on the BMW MOA web site, a fellow owner told the group about

http://modulemaster.com/store/

A few emails with the head technician and my unit was sent off to them. For $350 they repaired my unit! Plus it comes with a five year warranty.

When I mean rebuilt, it literally looks brand new. They bead blasted the main body. It looks new!

I know they must have looked at the circuit board as the tamper proof screws were replaced with Allen head screws. They were very careful pulling the bottom pan off the unit. You can barely see any tool marks.

Usual disclaimers, I have no financial interests in the company. Just a satisfied customer (BMW customer) that saved about $1800us from buying a new unit.

Yes, these units can be saved and be put back into service again.

Don't give up!

Great news!

Any chance you can do a write up on the step by step removal and replacing process of your ABS unit? Did you take pictures?

I would like to make a sticky of this thread. or merge the many we have on this issue into one thread.
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I did not take pictures. Maybe I should have but working alone with greasy fingers, it would have been tough holding a camera without hosing it with grease. I'm still in the shiathouse with my wife after she caught me washing some m/c parts in her new dishwasher.


I can write up the procedure as it is very fresh in my mind. I will do it. Please give me a day or two and I will post it here for others to read. For the first timer, it may look scary pulling the abs unit out of the bike. But, it is really easy.

Can I write up the instructions and submit it as a PDF? That way I can work on them off line.
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Also, beemerbone yard occasionally has units. Keep an eye out for one.

Finally, i purposely locked up the rear wheel and heard (and feeled) the abs unit do its job!

I am a very happy camper now.

I've been looking here and there for a unit already. My search is coming up dry. I might be taking the plunge here soon and buy a new unit. Hopefully, the new unit that are sold have been corrected from previous deficiencies.
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ALL of my vehicles get the brake fluid flushed every two years. My P-Car technician told me I was one of the few who actually did this, and most of the problems he's seen on ABS brake systems seemed to him to be directly related to owners not following the recommended schedule.
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Equally important is forcing the ABS pump to operate its hydraulic pistons, which is not in the schedule.

Fluid flushing is a good idea all round to keep down the level of absorbed water, but I am sceptical that it will remove sediment from hoses etc that can collect in the inverted ABS unit.

My schedule not approved by BMW, is to replace all their rubber hoses with Spiegeler or equivalent ptfe hoses to reduce black rubber deposit floating about. Flush every couple of years, including some aggressive flushing through the ABS module with my air line. Then activate the front and rear ABS circuits at each annual service.

My '97 ABSII unit is 15 years old and still working OK.
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The PO of my bike had the foresight to replace all rubber hoses with Spiegeler or equivalent ptfe hoses. However, it must have been years after owning it because the small valve screens in the ABS II unit were loaded black, paste like material that I cleaned.

I still need to build up the courage to attempt to lock up the front brake to exercise the forward piston/ brake system. Rear brake lock up is no problem, front brake is a little scary, for now.

I wish the folks at GS911 would provide that functionality in their tool.
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I've got a 03 KRS with partial integral ABS. Not sure if it's the same as yours but I emailed the company an inquiry whether they service my unit. Let me know if it's the same as yours and I'll let you know what they have to say.
That is same model as ours
So... That is good news
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Also, beemerbone yard occasionally has units. Keep an eye out for one.
They fly off the shelf pretty fast !
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I did not take pictures. Maybe I should have but working alone with greasy fingers, it would have been tough holding a camera without hosing it with grease. .

Shoudda borrowed your in law's camera!


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ALL of my vehicles get the brake fluid flushed every two years. My P-Car technician told me I was one of the few who actually did this, and most of the problems he's seen on ABS brake systems seemed to him to be directly related to owners not following the recommended schedule.

What's that?
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Equally important is forcing the ABS pump to operate its hydraulic pistons, which is not in the schedule.

Fluid flushing is a good idea all round to keep down the level of absorbed water, but I am sceptical that it will remove sediment from hoses etc that can collect in the inverted ABS unit.

My schedule not approved by BMW, is to replace all their rubber hoses with Spiegeler or equivalent ptfe hoses to reduce black rubber deposit floating about. Flush every couple of years, including some aggressive flushing through the ABS module with my air line. Then activate the front and rear ABS circuits at each annual service.

My '97 ABSII unit is 15 years old and still working OK.

I like this!
Great advice. Doing that next checkup.
And especially the fact your K12 is 15 yrs old!

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I still need to build up the courage to attempt to lock up the front brake to exercise the forward piston/ brake system.
Just follow a texting soccer mom for a few blocks, that should do the trick!
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I've got a 03 KRS with partial integral ABS. Not sure if it's the same as yours but I emailed the company an inquiry whether they service my unit. Let me know if it's the same as yours and I'll let you know what they have to say.

Do post up your findings. I was going to call as well, but since you took the lead, have at it.

Maybe we can get a group buy(discount)
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I did not take pictures. Maybe I should have but working alone with greasy fingers, it would have been tough holding a camera without hosing it with grease.

You just put the camera inside one of momas clear zip up freezer bags. For all I know this works in the rain too. She gets back a greasy bag and a clean camera.

I have a simple electronic 'pulser' I built. All I do is flick a switch for front or rear, whilst idling on the stand and the pump then operates. I would have thought the GS911 tool would have been doing something like that now? On most ABS cars with servos and cross linked hydraulics you have to use diagnostics to operate the ABS motor, whilst cracking a bleed nipple to get all the air out of the pump.
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I still need to build up the courage to attempt to lock up the front brake to exercise the forward piston/ brake system. Rear brake lock up is no problem, front brake is a little scary, for now.

I wish the folks at GS911 would provide that functionality in their tool.

On the new bikes there's a function to exercise the ABS pump. I've done it a few times on our K1300Ss. I'm not sure if this is available for the older RS.
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...My P-Car technician...
What's that?
Let's see:
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  • Introduced in-line H20 motors, hoping to phase out the old boxers.
  • Purists threatened revolt, so they decided to update the boxers in the '90s and keep them around.
  • Oh, 4 wheelers instead of 2.
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On the new bikes there's a function to exercise the ABS pump. I've done it a few times on our K1300Ss. I'm not sure if this is available for the older RS.

Yup, I read about it for the newer ABS units. I wish it could be the same for the ABS II units.
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Flyboy asked if I could write up some instructions on how to remove the ABS II unit from a K1200RS.

Since it was fresh in my mind, I put these instructions together. Sorry but I didn't take pictures of the process but I borrowed a few from the BMW tech manual and added my comments along the way.
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Flyboy asked if I could write up some instructions on how to remove the ABS II unit from a K1200RS.

Since it was fresh in my mind, I put these instructions together. Sorry but I didn't take pictures of the process but I borrowed a few from the BMW tech manual and added my comments along the way.

Fantastic Brian. Thanks so much for the time and effort you placed on this....

I'll make this thread a sticky now
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My 1998 K1200RS was purchased last year with 3800 miles on it. It sat in a HD dealership in the back room as it was the owners bike. Tires still had the little rubber nubs on them.

I don't think it ever had a full brake flush in its life.

Bought the bike knowing about the ABS, hoping a good flush and rise would work out . I even bought a GS911 hoping I could reset the error for good.

Dreaded plunger error. Just last year that would have been the kiss of death for an ABS II unit. Then, over on the BMW MOA web site, a fellow owner told the group about

http://modulemaster.com/store/

A few emails with the head technician and my unit was sent off to them. For $350 they repaired my unit! Plus it comes with a five year warranty.

When I mean rebuilt, it literally looks brand new. They bead blasted the main body. It looks new!

I know they must have looked at the circuit board as the tamper proof screws were replaced with Allen head screws. They were very careful pulling the bottom pan off the unit. You can barely see any tool marks.

Usual disclaimers, I have no financial interests in the company. Just a satisfied customer (BMW customer) that saved about $1800us from buying a new unit.

Yes, these units can be saved and be put back into service again.

Don't give up!

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Here's the reply I recieved from Module Master concerning modules on 2003 RS
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Thanks for asking about the rebuild service. We've repaired a few of the iABS/ABS3 modules, but the repair service is currently on hold for the time being. We're trying to improve our test setup and in the process of getting replacement parts manufactured for us. If you don't mind, I would recommend checking back in a month for status. If you have any other questions feel free to ask. Best regards,

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Let's see:
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  • Purists threatened revolt, so they decided to update the boxers in the '90s and keep them around.
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That is at least encouraging to hear and gives their service some credibility, because no way are they going to get anything from the oem.

For those that do go down this repair route, it would be nice to get a report of the problems they find and post info here. If we know what is failing we may be better informed to decide if there as anything that can be done to prevent others going the same way.

Some of these ABS module repairers for cars our side, know so much about what fails on the oem builds, they are prepared to offer 'upgraded' parts with a 5 year warranty on their repaired modules.
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On the new bikes there's a function to exercise the ABS pump. I've done it a few times on our K1300Ss. I'm not sure if this is available for the older RS.

Lee,

Where is it, and how often do you do it? Is it in the owner's manual?
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I think Lee is talking about a function on the GS911 diagnostics tool for newish bikes.

I do not think there is any diagnostics command to do the same thing on my '97 K12, which is why I had to do it another way.
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I think Lee is talking about a function on the GS911 diagnostics tool for newish bikes.

I do not think there is any diagnostics command to do the same thing on my '97 K12, which is why I had to do it another way.

That's correct.
Looks like the ABS funtions only go back as far as the servo brake bikes.
Here's a copy was the last updates for the GS-911.

New Beta version 1207 released


This version builds on the previous Beta versions (Beta 1204).
Beta 1207 adds the following:
  • Minor wording change to iABS2CAN (2nd generation (non-servo) ABS on CAN bikes)
  • General minor bug fixes and wording changes
  • Added S1000RR reset all adaptation (and relearn)
  • Changed Lamda plot colours to be more visible (to magenta and yellow)
  • Changed VIN check - If VIN check fails on invalid BMW VIN's, don't stop, instead just indicate "invalid VIN"
  • Updated Fault Code Freeze Frame Data, to ignore invalid Factory test data
  • Added mls <-> km Coding for KOMBI, KOMBI7x,KOMBIK46
  • Adding Integral (servo) ABS functionality (for 1150and non-CAN K1200): ABS Bleed Tests, Status, Output Tests, Sensor Drift Test
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Fantastic writeup Brian! Just this past weekend I pulled the ABS II unit out of my 2000 K1200RS and sent it out to ModuleMasters. However, I didn't have to remove the exhaust system, rear wheel, or tray that holds the ABS and battery. Did you remove the exhaust in order to remove the tray? The 3 screws that hold the ABS unit into the tray were a bit tough to get to, but not too bad. Once those 3 screws were out, I was able to lift and slide the ABS unit out where the rear sub-fender was. While waiting for the ABS unit to come back, last night I replaced all of the brake lines with a Spiegler kit from Piratesliar.net. Very nice and completed kit. I too intend to use the injection method of bleeding the brakes when the ABS unit comes back. Of course that requires removing and replacing the speedbleeder with a standard bleeder at the caliper. Great stuff sir!
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What error was your abs ii reporting?

Yes one can do exactly what you did. I followed the BMW directions.

I am extremely happy with Module Master's service and support. First class Company!

The best way I have found is to inject from the caliper too.

Good luck on the repair. Let the forum know how things turn out!
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Can a person just do away with the whole abs system? And just hook the master cylinder straight to the brake calipers. The only cost for be some new longer hoses on front and rear.
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Okay, I received the rebuilt ABS pump from Module Master on Tuesday this week. Their diagnosis was a sticky plunger. Thursday morning, a friend of mine and I began the reassembly and in 1.5 hrs, the ABS unit was installed and brakes bled! Injection bleeding is simply the way to do it. I locked the seat on and took her for a ride around the neighborhood, stopping 7 times to "stop/ignition off/ignition on/start/ride away", perfect self test every time! Along with the Speigler lines, it's better than new now! With a five year warranty on their work, this is money well spent.

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Thanks for the report. Flyboy and I have the same problem. Sorry Flyboy for not getting back with you, on a 4 week vacation, but this is much better than a $2600 replacement from BMW. My brakes work,BMW says you don't need ABS, but I like the security of having real gppd brakes. Thanks Brian.
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Can a person just do away with the whole abs system? And just hook the master cylinder straight to the brake calipers.
Sure. I have the iABS system and the modulator control unit took a dump last autumn, and since my current employment situation isn't one where I can just run out and buy a $2200 replacement, to be able to ride the moto in the meantime I went ahead and coupled the master cylinders directly to the calipers via the "bypass cable" part in the rear and an R1150GS "distribution piece" up front. Since the speedometer, cruise control, and brake light have some sort of linkage to the iABS module, I left the unit connected but capped all the detached brake lines with rubber caps (keep 'em clean for future reattachment when I can spare the cash for a new unit), popped the lid on the module and detached the servo motor connectors, pulled the general warning light bulb, and removed the relay that flashes the "brake failure" light on the dash.

Brakes still have the stopping power, but the front lever now has a more solid feel to it and a hard foot pedal application is likely to lock up the rear wheel.
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Okay, I received the rebuilt ABS pump from Module Master on Tuesday this week. Their diagnosis was a sticky plunger. Thursday morning, a friend of mine and I began the reassembly and in 1.5 hrs, the ABS unit was installed and brakes bled! Injection bleeding is simply the way to do it. I locked the seat on and took her for a ride around the neighborhood, stopping 7 times to "stop/ignition off/ignition on/start/ride away", perfect self test every time! Along with the Speigler lines, it's better than new now! With a five year warranty on their work, this is money well spent.

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Thanks for this information! I have a pal who needs to fix the ABS unit on a 2000 GS that I sold him a couple years back. It's a really good motorcycle, and just needs the ABS to make a trip out to Module Masters.

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Talked with Tyler from MM today. As of this date, they are still sourcing replacement parts for the iABS and will not be accepting or repairing them for at least another two months.

Tyler mentioned that they are actually having parts made as suppliers have issues selling with BMW looking over their shoulders!
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Talked with Tyler from MM today. As of this date, they are still sourcing replacement parts for the iABS and will not be accepting or repairing them for at least another two months.
I'm curious - what are they looking to source?

If they're going to be able to procure replacement board assemblies or pressure sensors, would they be willing to sell separately those and other parts they may be able to get their hands on?
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Since every part is BMW proprietary, I would guess finding 'equivalent' parts is their biggest problem.

Once they get the technical knowledge to find their way around the module, then some faults will be easier than others and may not need many parts.

But parts like pressure sensors and in particular the electronic circuit boards will be more difficult. Circuit parts like processors and memory will have code burned in and I doubt they can be cloning those. The circuit boards will be proprietary and unless they can hook up with an Asian company I doubt they can source those. With broken units on the shelf as spares they can salvage quite a bit, but eventually their stock can run out.

I ran up against this problem with my VW car ABS unit. They had incorporated a brake pressur sensor inside the module rather than keeping it outside as on earlier models. I had a perfectly good newish year module with a faulty piezo pressure sensor. In the end a search for the cheapest boxed new item worked out cheaper than getting the faulty unit repaired. But I was sad that the whole thing - pump,
big motor, clutch, milled ali pressure block and circuit boards were scrap. One repair website I found was offering £50 for old units.

If Module Master run the same kind of operation, they could consider offering a cash incentive for those that paid for a new or working Boneyard unit. Win-Win both ways. I see that Module Master is not a Supporting Vendor, so there is another win-win possibility and maybe better deals for members.
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Talked with Tyler from MM today. As of this date, they are still sourcing replacement parts for the iABS and will not be accepting or repairing them for at least another two months.

Tyler mentioned that they are actually having parts made as suppliers have issues selling with BMW looking over their shoulders!

Just got off the phone with MM. Check back in a few months. EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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Yes Yes Yes to Module Masters…. And NO NO NO to BMW Parts….
2,300 dollars to replace ABS on my RS …. that's just the part. 340 for labor. Add tax.. 3,000 dollar ABS job. That's about 1/3 the value of the RS…. Then along comes Module Masters. and its now under 1,000 to fix the bike with a 5 year warranty… Wrote an Email to BMW. I am really disappointed in BMW… It's great to have a nice ride but it stinks to be taken for a Ride. And BMW seems to enjoy taking its loyal fan base for a ride now and then. I am seriously thinking of a different brand…. They know about this problem yet continue to keep the price high to gouge us, instead of a recall or cheap replacement due to faulty original equipment or cheap components or whatever is causing these things to fail. That stripped down gold wing looks promising …..
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I watched a video on how to remove this bastard of an ABS unit from an R1200 Cop Bike the other day. Looks like something I could do, and is surely within my budget. I hate to do that to such a great bike but I really don't like being held hostage at the parts counter by the Bust My Wallet boys. I also LIKE ABS. I'm sure it's kept me out of trouble a few times.
Guess I'll keep ridin' my other mounts til the Module Masters take mercy on the plight of us iABS victims.
How the Bayerische Boys feel complacent about this system is beyond me. Everything else about the bike seems bullet proof. They must have stock in those wacky little boxes.
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Hi all,

This is Gavin, owner of ModuleMaster. Just an update on the Integral 3 (3i) systems. There is no particular common fault with this system.

Thank you to those who sent in their Integral ABS systems for trials analysis. Some of you were fortunate to receive a restored and functional unit back.

Tyler has discovered that nearly all critical components of the integral ABS require replacement. Component count approaches 100 individual pieces for each integral system 3 unit for proper remanufacture. No single component is available "off the shelf". Each and every item from O-rings to motor armatures have to be custom manufactured.

All replacement mechanical parts are at initial production phase at this time, prototype components requiring in house testing and final approval before mass production. Specific electronic assemblies are also at the final engineering stages. Core chip set and firmware will remain the same.

This takes a great deal of time and your patience is truly appreciated in this matter.

The ultimate goal is to offer a more robust Integral ABS system 3 as a rebuild option at a fraction of the new replacement cost with a superior warranty.
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Thx for the update.
Good luck with your project.
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I watched a video on how to remove this bastard of an ABS unit from an R1200 Cop Bike the other day. Looks like something I could do, and is surely within my budget.
Don't know about the RT1200, but removing the unit didn't seem all that difficult. The most troublesome part was undoing the male Torx head screws that secure the unit to the battery box. Even having the requisite E8 box wrench, the screws can only be turned a little at a time. Needless to say, they did get replaced with more conventional hardware.
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...to motor armatures...
Really? So are the KAG motors that come on the unit basically crap?
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The motors are very high quality and it was a struggle to find a capable factory to reproduce them to the same standards. But many other problems (mechanical and electronic) cause the motors to work much longer duty cycles than they should, resulting in armature burnout or commutator disintegration.

Motor failure is the end result of a cascade of internal problems. Pump impellers and housings need replacing. Everything critical has to be replaced with brand new when these systems fail.

I cannot express how important it is to change your brake fluid every year on these bikes.

This was a much larger project than expected. After a rebuild, you will essentially get a new system.
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Hi all,

This is Gavin, owner of ModuleMaster. Just an update on the Integral 3 (3i) systems. There is no particular common fault with this system.

Thank you to those who sent in their Integral ABS systems for trials analysis. Some of you were fortunate to receive a restored and functional unit back.

Tyler has discovered that nearly all critical components of the integral ABS require replacement. Component count approaches 100 individual pieces for each integral system 3 unit for proper remanufacture. No single component is available "off the shelf". Each and every item from O-rings to motor armatures have to be custom manufactured.

All replacement mechanical parts are at initial production phase at this time, prototype components requiring in house testing and final approval before mass production. Specific electronic assemblies are also at the final engineering stages. Core chip set and firmware will remain the same.

This takes a great deal of time and your patience is truly appreciated in this matter.

The ultimate goal is to offer a more robust Integral ABS system 3 as a rebuild option at a fraction of the new replacement cost with a superior warranty.
Does that 'warranty" carry life insurance?
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