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Re: New K1300S replacement is in development!

After 4 hrs on my sons S1000RR Gren, the K1300S is a welcome change

Although i did like the performance, once given the berries, and love the cruise control.

Unfortunately his bike, at 6000km, had a rattle in the engine. Local dealer replaced the cam chain tensioner, still noisy, so he took it to Gosford dealer. They didn't like the sound of it. Cams and lifters completely rooted. $4000 parts plus labour, covered under warranty, but not extended by BMW - warranty runs out in November. So he traded it in on the 959 Panigale and he is very happy, and he picked up the new one last Tuesday, replaced new like-for-like after the accident.

Shame BMW is still having the same problems with the S1000RR that they were in 2010.
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Re: New K1300S replacement is in development!

Given up on waiting for a K bike replacement for now, maybe something in 2020. But for now I'm renewing all moving parts, including a new final drive, drive shaft, all pivot bearings, front wheel bearings, most everything except the internal engine and transmission bearings. They should be good for another 50K miles or so. The bike is at 108K miles now. Shocks sent back to Ted Porter for a freshening. And I send a set of fuel injectors out for the same type of work over.
I think you can keep a K bike on the road for many years if you are into it. We will see.
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Curious about your Header Pipe Exhaust Wrap Beech. Has the Exhaust Valve just before the Muffler held up well? I'm speculating it may be bathed in higher than expected exhaust temps due to the Wrap?
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Re: New K1300S replacement is in development!

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Given up on waiting for a K bike replacement for now, maybe something in 2020. But for now I'm renewing all moving parts, including a new final drive, drive shaft, all pivot bearings, front wheel bearings, most everything except the internal engine and transmission bearings. They should be good for another 50K miles or so. The bike is at 108K miles now. Shocks sent back to Ted Porter for a freshening. And I send a set of fuel injectors out for the same type of work over.
I think you can keep a K bike on the road for many years if you are into it. We will see.

I'm curious how much money all those parts will set you back? You must really love your K-bike :-) I traded in my 1300s for a k16gt back in 2014, last summer I got the bug for a second bike and considered another 1300 but since BMW never upgraded the bike I eventually decided on a Kawasaki ZX14R .
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That is a good point, but all is well, the rap has been on there for several years, probably 50,000 miles. I was hoping it would reduce some of the radiant heat while stuck in traffic. My opinion on heat now is to clean your radiator every winter by remove the plastic air guide on the front of the radiator so you can get to it. Every time I do, I get at least two tablespoons of dirt and crap out of it.
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Starter with 14000 miles on it $90, Oem is $502
Alternator low miles $100 OEM $1068
Headers, not used at this time, 100 bucks. OEM $1750
drive line used 100$, OEM 1263$
You can see Im in at about 20% or less and my labor. The shop would nick you but I enjoy this. My shocks are on their way to Ted's for a rebuild, just got the $76 paypal bill from Mr. Injector so they should be here next week. But waiting until I get the shocks installed before I dive into the intake manifold stuff. Want to close up some of this. This morning I just installed a nice fresh set of metzler M7's. My brake line joint washers arrived a few minutes ago so I can install that new rear caliper. Then a brake fluid flush front and back. (I knew I left the battery in for some reason, ABS pump actuation is needed for a really good flush. On it goes.
Dog bone linkage with fresh bearings part of the rear swing arm but would cost $420. (don't forget to lube those guys regularly)
I'd like to say, even if you are not replacing this stuff a good look is warranted. The swing arm on my bike was just starting to get loose. Easy to check without taking anything apart. Make sure the left side cap is snug, 9Nm on the three little screws, right side loosen lock nut and back off on 12mm allen journal slug a little. Take it back to 20Nm than back off again and go to 7/9 Nm. Then the lock nut to 140Nm. Mark the parts to see if they turn when you do the lock nut. If things move take the journal slug out, clean all threads well and lube it with some light grease and to it again so the lock nut slides on the journal threads. Lower your torque 15%. Or get a window deep 30mm socket and an 12mm L wrench. I have never had movement in one of these shaft/axle light torque with a serious lock nut move. Not saying it can't happen. The factory would not have their procedure if there was no risk when cheating.
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... (don't forget to lube those guys regularly)
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1st of all, WOW... you are really on to the preventing maintenance ZONE! that's GREAT.
Now how do you lube the linkage down there - without tacking apart any of it (yes, challenging issue )
Do you have more tips & tricks maintaining & LUBE to keep these moving parts around the swing-arm without taking anything apart?... grease spray maybe?
I know i'm trying to cut some corners, but maybe it can give it more lifetime.
Oh, BTW - i replaced on SEP.2017 my K12S 2007 with 167K KM with k13S (took me ages to find one in here - Israel.. i guess there are K13S pieces in here less than the number of your fingers.. and a decent one with reasonable mileage). well, I have to say that this is a GREAT BIKE !!!, all the faults & complaints i had against the K12 just solved & fixed on the K13.. even the fuel gauge switched back to the good old mechanic float and its a lot more accurate than the one on the K12 !!
I TOTALLY understand it to renew it & keep it for ages than switch to the JAPs competitors or other beemer - its very sad that they decided to stop its production on AUG.2015 K16GT/L ??? - too big & heavy, R12RS? - Cute Boxer & not that strong.. Sorry Bavarians - there's no replacement for it - You should seriously consider return it back to production !!
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Unfortunately, you have to take things apart. If you can't do it, find a shop that can. If you have the DVD shop manual, it is time, tools and a lift.
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Thanks..
Yes, after posting the question i realized all the bearings there are sealed (if they weren't dirt was getting in pretty fast & they wouldn't last long) so spraying from the outside wont do nothing really :-(
I'm trying to keep the bike as clean as possible, not just from the outside.. manually by hands - wiping the swing-arm and all joints but not with air pressure (sometimes silicone spray to keep plastics & rubbers alive, here its half desert climate, so they can crack very soon..), i guess that the air pressure in frequent use will do the opposite: it can help penetrating dirt into the sealed bearings
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I'm curious how much money all those parts will set you back? You must really love your K-bike :-) I traded in my 1300s for a k16gt back in 2014, last summer I got the bug for a second bike and considered another 1300 but since BMW never upgraded the bike I eventually decided on a Kawasaki ZX14R .
A little off topic, but how do you like Zx14r? How does it compare with K1300S?
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A little off topic, but how do you like Zx14r? How does it compare with K1300S?

I can't say yet, I bought the ZX14R at the end of December and it's been to cold to ride. The past couple of days the weather finally cooperated and I have just shy of 500 miles on the clock. Break-in period is 1000 miles so I've had to keep RPM''S below 4k. I can say the ZX14R is comfortable to ride but the riding position is a tad more aggressive than the K13S. The bike has no vibration and the transmission shifts much smoother than the K13S. The Kawasaki doesn't have all the bells and whistles like ESA, heated grips, self cancelling turn signals but it does have a engine management system to dial back throttle response. When I get past the break-in period and get a few thousand miles in the saddle I can give a better ride report. I do like the ZX14R so far and from everything I read prior to purchasing it plus my short time riding the bike I'm sure I'll be satisfied. I paid 11200 for a brand new 2017 SE which was 4300 off MSRP. The ZX14R is a lot of bike for 11 grand which made it affordable and a great alternative to other bikes I looked at that cost 4-7 grand more than I paid for the ZX14R.
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Congratulations! the Z is a great bike and as you note very affordable for what you get. Let us know more as you continue to break it in.
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It's a pride thing.

Boxers will always be BMW's favorite child.

The S1000's are the stepchildren.

The K, foster kids...
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Yep - R1250RT and a 4-Cylinder Boxer:

https://www.motorradonline.de/motorr...06.999940.html
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Hmmm... A 150 hp R1250RS with VVT might be an interesting thing to see. They're also talking about doing away with the Motorrad Nav mount/device and integrating the GPS function into a large full color TFT dash. That's the rumor I heard related to the GS but it makes sense the RS and RT will get the same treatments, no?
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Yep - R1250RT and a 4-Cylinder Boxer:

You mean an improved Volkswagen engine? A Volkscycle?
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Hmmm... A 150 hp R1250RS with VVT might be an interesting thing to see. They're also talking about doing away with the Motorrad Nav mount/device and integrating the GPS function into a large full color TFT dash. That's the rumor I heard related to the GS but it makes sense the RS and RT will get the same treatments, no?

It's about time BMW integrates GPS in to the dash like all the other major brands have done. HD, Indian, Yamaha and Honda all have integrated GPS in to the dash. The new Goldwing's dash looks phenomenal and makes the K16GTL dash look 1970-ish. The new TFT display is a step in the right direction but BMW ought to be leading the charge instead of trying to play catch up.
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More data that a new K bike will never happen. Here is second source on the new R engine and its bikes.
https://www.motorcyclenews.com/news/...er-motorcycle/
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I was told by my dealer’s GM, there is an event in Sardinia later this spring where BMW will show off new scooters and a ‘surprise’ motorcycle announcement.
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Here is a link to how the VANOS timing works. Would be cool on a K1300 engine! But, watch and notice the hydraulic piston is not hard with the 12 degree helical gear, only touches it and the gear with inside and outside teeth links the drive sprocket to the camshaft. All very cool. High pressure oil...needed, interesting.
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Suzuki feels there is still a need for a big 4 cylinder bike. The new Hayabusa is nearing completion. Here is a quote from MCN;

"Insiders suggests that engineering elements of the new bike are well advanced, with a continuation of the large-capacity, high-power ethos of the current bike, but with new technology such as variable valve timing to help boost power and control emissions."
BMW is too caught up in the GS bikes to worry about the small market for K bikes.
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Basically, I like the Hayabusa, but the combination of an already low to ground bike, and pegs set for ground clearance, make it VERY uncomfortable for a tall guy. Too bad, it's one of the best motorcycle engines ever made. Even with a new model I don't see it being more ergonomic. Too much focus on top speed and not rideability IMO.
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I was told by my dealer’s GM, there is an event in Sardinia later this spring where BMW will show off new scooters and a ‘surprise’ motorcycle announcement.

Let me guess....Another GS model. Who cares? IMO, BMW has it's head up where the sun don't shine. WAY too much focus on the R and RR platform engines. They've abandoned the Sport Touring market. Hey, BMW, we don't want the 1000cc engine on everything. Ducati has a better idea with the Multistrada 1260 Pikes Peak. More grunt, better engine braking, same comfort level. I've ridden the XR in the hills. It's a great bike, but no engine braking, not enough torque. Too bad they didn't use the 1300 motor. I'm still stuck on my K13S. Great bike, but if I ever change, it won't be to another current model BMW.
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You make a great point about low end grunt. The new 1250 engine will do it for the R bikes. But we are talking K bikes. Like you say, seems BMW has moved on from the K1300 style. Leaves the market for the big Japanese bikes. (though they are too heavy for me to get into)
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I was told by my dealer’s GM, there is an event in Sardinia later this spring where BMW will show off new scooters and a ‘surprise’ motorcycle announcement.

I spoke to my local BMW motorrad sales manager yesterday. He was at the event in Sardinia.
The new models hype is about the 750Gs, 850 gs and some new scooter. The 850 is putting out some serious HP compared with the 800. I asked when we expect to buy a bike with the new 1250cc motor, he said it will be next year.
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I spoke to my local BMW motorrad sales manager yesterday. He was at the event in Sardinia.
The new models hype is about the 750Gs, 850 gs and some new scooter. The 850 is putting out some serious HP compared with the 800. I asked when we expect to buy a bike with the new 1250cc motor, he said it will be next year.
Oh well...
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You make a great point about low end grunt. The new 1250 engine will do it for the R bikes. But we are talking K bikes. Like you say, seems BMW has moved on from the K1300 style. Leaves the market for the big Japanese bikes. (though they are too heavy for me to get into)

and thats a big factor!!! When i was buying my K1300 5 years ago, i did my research and all the Jap sports tourers were 20-60kg heavier than the K1300. Even this new super expensive Krakaswaki H2 SX SE tourer thing comes in at 260kg!! Yamy FJR1300..great bike...heavy. Kawasicky ZX14 or GTR1400 (ZZR1400) ... heavy. Uglybusa suzy.... never.....
Im starting to think a R1200RS with a new 1250cc - 150hp engine... with a full Akro for another 10HP and some more torque... could be the closest thing to K1300 touring on offer in the BMW Motorrad future. Or the Possibility of a lighter, more HP Sports model.
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BMW is too caught up in the GS bikes to worry about the small market for K bikes.

Until the moment when the marketing/financial people in Munich will see the sales figures for the H2 SX and Hayabusa going up. Then they might reconsider a K13, K14, K... type. Japanese folks usually don't launch bikes not to sell them (unless they poke the market with prototypes like the DN1 for a very limited time).
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I'm tired of waiting on BMW to wake up, and i'm tired of my market segment being ignored. There's too much to like about the new 1260 Ducati Multistrada. Especially the S Pikes Peak. It's almost what i'd like to see from BMW. IMO, the primary thing that makes the GS so rideable in the turns is it's engine backpressure. Let off the gas and it's like applying the brakes. Makes the R twin very easy to ride fast in the turns. I ride with a group where most of the guys have multiple bikes, and they all include a GS, sometimes with a K13S too. The GS is always their favorite bike for a AR or NC trip because they handle the turns so well. BMW offered the XR, which is a great bike, BUT using the 1000cc motor ruined it, IMO. Too much revs, almost no backpressure off the throttle, means a lot of braking and running one gear lower than the R twins you're riding with through the twisties. Not good. In the XR's favor, it shifts super smooth, and handles great. The GS on the other hand clunks through it's shifts, and even with the new engine is always the slowest bike coming out of any sweeper turn. All of the above are heavy.

I believe Ducati is moving in the right direction. They've increase the engine size in the Multistrada for 2018 from 1200 to 1260, reduced the weight to 489 lbs. Engine is putting out 159 hp with 99 ftlbs of torque. Excellent electronics with shift assist up and down. The V engine offers the backpressure not there with the XR. Only negative is the price. They start around 17k and the Pikes Peak goes for $25,000. Yes, that's pricey, but Duc has come a long way with reliability, and they've always sounded great.

Hey, I used to ride Honda ST's. I had 4 four of them. Loved the longitudinal V4. I had always hoped when the redid the 1100 that they'd go more sport and less touring. Well, they didn't. In fact, they went totally opposite. I changed to BMW and the K1200RS. Great bike, and the redo of the K1300S was even better. Now, it looks like BMW is heading in a different direction than I am. IMO, they're trying to do too much with a limited engine platform. The 6 is too big, the 1000 is too small. Time for a change????
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XR has plenty of engine braking if you are in the correct gear. I find it easier to ride quickly in th hills than the K13S
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I was out riding my K yesterday but jeez even with all the bells and whistles that are on it it’s bloody hard work compared to my X/R which came off the dyno today which is a separate story.

I/we had a good look at the Kawasaki didn’t do anything for us,as for the new Busa in the pipe line all Suzuki have to do to increase sales is make nicer to look at cuz it’s one ugly MF.
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XR has plenty of engine braking if you are in the correct gear. I find it easier to ride quickly in th hills than the K13S
I like to think my S bike is very quick and the K bike fast. (although the S bike will whip the pants off the K bike but I don't mention that in the garage to my old friend)
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I am not sure what any Bike manufacturer can do for the next generation of hyper bikes. They need to start fresh with motorcycles. I am so jaded by my car. My K1300S seems like a major handful to go slower. Motorcycles need to catch up to the electronic assist in cars. Honda is supposedly working on it, you can wack open the throttle mid corner and the bike will only deliver the power the tire can handle. The closer to the limit they get it the better.

In case you forgot I am driving a Tesla P100D.
With traction control off it will spin all four tires at 50 MPH on dry pavement. With the traction control on 0-60 in 2.4 seconds (a few mods done). It steers well and stays relatively flat while pulling almost 1G accelerating and/or cornering.
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Motorcycles need to catch up to the electronic assist in cars.

Unless I'm mistaken the latest MotoGP Bikes have leading edge electronic assist devices on board. Many of these have already made it onto production motorcycles.

As for Electric Propulsion, E-Busses are leading the way with range capabilities (>1000 miles on a charge) due to the much greater space available for Batteries. Battery power density and weight will have to improve allot before E-Motorcycle range can become equal or better than petrol powered units.

Lastly, without going into it, I'm not encouraged by the Autonomous Vehicle Industry and it's several negative ramifications for Motorcycling. But, maybe I'm all wrong there?
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I am not sure what any Bike manufacturer can do for the next generation of hyper bikes. They need to start fresh with motorcycles. I am so jaded by my car. My K1300S seems like a major handful to go slower. Motorcycles need to catch up to the electronic assist in cars. Honda is supposedly working on it, you can wack open the throttle mid corner and the bike will only deliver the power the tire can handle. The closer to the limit they get it the better.

There are a lot of bikes out there now that use the Bosch unit that provides lean data and use it in their ABS and traction control. My '13 S1000RR was pretty much what you're describing for throttle management and that was on a bike that was putting 180 hp down on the rear wheel.
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You are correct, the RR is going the right way. Try wacking the throttle open in a hard corner to see what I mean. Motorcycle electronics are coming along, just not there yet. Or perhaps the RR I rode is out of date, it was a year ago.
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... Try wacking the throttle open in a hard corner to see what I mean. Motorcycle electronics are coming along, just not there yet.
I’d post the pic but I’m on my phone. We have a close friend who whacks the throttle on the RR and lays down a nice black strip in the corners. I mentioned this to another RR rider at Bobs BMW and he laughed. He does that too. So the RR has had traction control working this way for a few years now. It will only get better.
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