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Old 07-01-2018, 02:59 AM
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I was at my local dealer's yesterday. He had recently been to a BMW Head Office presentation on what would be coming out over the next months and years, and there was no K1300S replacement in the line up and the BMW HO people confirmed that - it seems they regard the K1600GT as taking up the reins for those who are more into the touring thing and the R1200RS or S1000XR for those who are more into the sport thing.

So there we have it. Kawasaki with the ZZR 1400 and Honda with the VFR 1200 are the only manufacturers offering a big capacity sport touring bike.

I for one think they have missed a trick here as is evidenced by the fact that the dealer has a waiting list of people wanting a K1300S. If one comes in it is sold at the asking price without ever being advertised.
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In my mind the K13S was extinct at the end of 2016 not to be resurrected in the future. A great bike that did a lot of things well but only loved and adored by BMW fans. The K13S/R never drew in sport or sport touring riders from Kawasaki or Suzuki and since sales numbers of the K13S didnt meet or exceed expectations BMW allowed it to die a quiet death. I had a 09 K13S in lava orange and loved it but when I was ready to trade it in I went in another direction because other than paint schemes nothing about the bike changed. No cruise control, no engine management system, no upgraded electronics so why buy a outdated bike?

I would have loved to see a updated K13S or K14S and maybe a few years from now BMW will introduce a successor to the 13 but with the success of the S1000 engine it seems unlikely. My next high performance sport tourer will probably be the new Kawasaki H2SXSE I just have to wait for a low mileage used one to come my way or nice incentives from Kawasaki.
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I was at my local dealer's yesterday. He had recently been to a BMW Head Office presentation on what would be coming out over the next months and years, and there was no K1300S replacement in the line up and the BMW HO people confirmed that - it seems they regard the K1600GT as taking up the reins for those who are more into the touring thing and the R1200RS or S1000XR for those who are more into the sport thing.

So there we have it. Kawasaki with the ZZR 1400 and Honda with the VFR 1200 are the only manufacturers offering a big capacity sport touring bike.

I for one think they have missed a trick here as is evidenced by the fact that the dealer has a waiting list of people wanting a K1300S. If one comes in it is sold at the asking price without ever being advertised.

Philip, I quite agree with you on the marketing issue of not competing in the space with a new model.

Regarding the market for used K13’s...in the USA, they seem to be the forgotten bike, with prices as low as $5,500-6,000 on late model low mile bikes. Watching these prices plummet over the last 2-3 years has been a study in markets and as far as I’m concerned, a $3,500 K12RS or $6,000 K13S must be two of the best used bikes for the money.
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Regarding the market for used K13ís...in the USA, they seem to be the forgotten bike, with prices as low as $5,500-6,000 on late model low mile bikes. Watching these prices plummet over the last 2-3 years has been a study in markets and as far as Iím concerned, a $3,500 K12RS or $6,000 K13S must be two of the best used bikes for the money.

Maybe I should plan a trip to the US and buy up some low mileage K13Ss and import them to the UK!
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I for one think they have missed a trick here as is evidenced by the fact that the dealer has a waiting list of people wanting a K1300S. If one comes in it is sold at the asking price without ever being advertised.




I've seen two shops sit on several used K1300Ss for a couple years.
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So there we have it. Kawasaki with the ZZR 1400 and Honda with the VFR 1200 are the only manufacturers offering a big capacity sport touring bike.

I guess it depends on how you define a big capacity sport touring bike. The KTM 1290GT and the Ducati Multistrada both fit in that category with superb skills at sporty touring. I don't really give much thought to chain vs shaft drive anymore. Chains are so good these days that you have to give very little thought to them and I wouldn't call that a defining quality of the category.
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The Honda VFR1200 failed even harder than the K1300 did. It had a 3 year run before Honda killed it and did a hasty resurrection of the VFR800 with the VTec chain cam engine. I was in a dealer that had 3 years with of VFR1200s that were marked down to $8500 when I was looking at bikes before I bought my K1300S. They had several colors in each year. The only color that looks barely ok was the metallic red that was the only color ever shown in press pictures. Any other color emphasized the weird shape and lines of the bodywork. Couple that with poor fuel mileage. Too much weight, no gear driven cams and stupid expensive luggage, even by BMW standards and they had a complete turd. Honda ended up taking back most of them from the dealers because they could sell that at 50% off, which was a huge loss for both Honda and the dealers.

I plan to keep my K1300s for a very long time as I donít foresee anything coming on the market that will entice me to buy. If Aprilia were to make a new Futura and put the V four from the Tuono in it tunes for better mileage and a 5.5-6 gallon fuel tank Iíd bet them to take my money. Or if Honda would make a ďrealĒ VFR again.

BTW, the K1300 could have been a success here in the USA if BMW had actually marketed it at all. But other than some articles in the Moto mags when it launched and again in 2103, there was no advertising that I remember seeing. Couple that with dealers pushing everything else but the K1300 even when you were inquiring specifically about it led to a sales flop. Not updating the electronics was the kids of death. How many owners of the K1200/1300 moved on from BMW because of that. I know I wonít be buying another BMW nothing in there lineup does it for me. If I had to buy a bike tomorrow from what is on the market it would be an Aprilia Tuono 1100 Factory and I'd have to paint it because the graphics are hideous. It would be a pure toy, unlike my K1300S, which I would keep.
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An S1000S would be a great replacement.
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The S1XR is a great replacement, unless your a short arse
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I moan and groan about the issues I've got with my K13S, then get on any other bike and realize how amazing the K13S is.
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I totally agree with Chris, had BMW actually tried advertising the K1300S I'm sure sales would've been much better. In fact they really didn't even advertise the rebate they gave in February of 2017. I was all set to buy the Yamaha FJR, but couldn't pass up the rebate BMW offered. And I'm loving the beast now. I feel its one of those bikes that unless you ride it you have no idea how awesome it is.
Most people that dont know the bike, thinks its more crotch rocket than sport tourer, but how little they know just how its really both with so much more comfort than one would think by looking at it. Even I was surprised just how comfortable it is riding long miles.
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I moan and groan about the issues I've got with my K13S, then get on any other bike and realize how amazing the K13S is.

I know what you mean, I was so dissatisfied with my 2013 S that I bought an 2015 HP that came available at a reasonable price. Now I get to complain twice as much.
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that is like saying a ford explorer is a great replacement for a ferrari.......

s1xr is not in the same type or class of mc's.
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Still wondering why they let it go...
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So there we have it. Kawasaki with the ZZR 1400 and Honda with the VFR 1200 are the only manufacturers offering a big capacity sport touring bike.I.

I guess you could include the FJR1300 - but it would need a lot of Farkling . . and a good thrashing with the ugly stick .
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I guess you could include the FJR1300 - but it would need a lot of Farkling . . and a good thrashing with the ugly stick .

And I stand to be corrected on two counts -

1. I forgot the FJR 1300

2. A check on Honda's website shows that the VFR 1200 has been discontinued!
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I've ridden one, but not having owned a K1300S, what is it that would satisfy your sport/touring requirement as a replacement? There are very capable machines suitable for sport/touring, some still available from BMW. So in your mind, what is the defining characteristics of a sport touring bike that is no longer met with the demise of the K1300S? Don't get me wrong, I'm not casting any disrespect on the mighty KS bike but there are other bikes I'd take on long, multi-day rides that are plenty capable of being pretty sporty when I get to a twisty road.
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I guess it's down not just to what you need - but what you want.

I can see no end to the current trend for big 'adventure' bikes being marketed and bought as sports-tourers ( I blame Ewan and Charley), but for me, my ancient FJ1200 was better for serious distance in comfort and being quite 'chuckable' once at your destination.

Of course, many of the current crop of adventure bikes can do the job, but for those of us hooked on the K, the way it delivers ('stupidly fast' according to one MS&L road test) and makes me personally mouth a silent curse of wonderment inside my Shoei every time i gun it, simply cannot be emulated by, for example, the R1200RT.

It's much more than what we could ever need - but it is what we want.

. . . and not many GS owners look back as they walk away from their bike, rub their thighs and go 'Phwooar'
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I guess you could include the FJR1300 - but it would need a lot of Farkling . . and a good thrashing with the ugly stick .

Yeah and more power and a sixth gear. It only has five.

I put the FJR1300 in the same category as the K1600. Itís a sport-Tourer. The emphasis is on tour with some sport.
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I guess it's down not just to what you need - but what you want.

I can see no end to the current trend for big 'adventure' bikes being marketed and bought as sports-tourers ( I blame Ewan and Charley), but for me, my ancient FJ1200 was better for serious distance in comfort and being quite 'chuckable' once at your destination.

Of course, many of the current crop of adventure bikes can do the job, but for those of us hooked on the K, the way it delivers ('stupidly fast' according to one MS&L road test) and makes me personally mouth a silent curse of wonderment inside my Shoei every time i gun it, simply cannot be supplied by, for example, the GS.

It's more than what we need - but it is what we want.

Getting what you need is for people who drive Volvos. Nobody ever died smiling about only getting what they need.

While I think a GS is a pretty capable bike, I wouldn't refer to it in this discussion of sport touring bikes. I'm not putting forth a case for any bike here but just trying understand why other bikes aren't fitting the mission after the demise of the K1300S.

OK, serious distance in comfort but quite chuckable when you get there. Stupidly fast - check. There are bikes that aren't adventure bikes do that. I get the stupidly fast thing but what's your idea of serious distance and comfort? What's your average long distance day on a KS?

I've done 400 mile days on my S1000RR on a multi-day trip. I've done 900 mile days on my K1600GT. Those are two bikes at opposite ends of the sport/touring spectrum that depending on your perspective fit the requirement. I wouldn't do a 900 mile day on an S1000RR so does that eliminate it from the discussion? I've also passed guys on sport bikes riding the Cherohala Skyway while riding my K1600GT. Does that make it sporty enough? It didn't for me but I can see how BMW thinks of the K1600GT as the apex sport touring bike with the other choice being the RS for those that want it lighter.

Does it have to be shaft drive? Does it have to look like a sport bike? Is that the knock on the KTM GT? S1000XR or Multistrada? I don't consider any of those bikes "adventure bikes" in the same juggernaut category as the GS, S10, or Africa Twin - OK, the enduro version of the Multistrada would be an ADV bike but the S or Pikes Peak versions would be in there within spanking range of a KS.

If there were a K1300S that had all the technology (cruise, throttle by wire modes, DDC suspension, ABS Pro, Shift assist pro, etc) and laid down 150+ hp at the rear wheel in a package that weighed less than the the current KS I think that bike would get a lot of traction in the market. Oh wait, I just described the S1000XR, KTM 1290GT, the Kawasaki, and probably a few others. Actually, the apex of sport touring is coming out of Birmingham Alabama. Unfortunately it's coming out at the price of two K1300Ss. But man, if money were no object then that Motus bike is a monster of sport touring. 180 hp, 126ft.lbs. Nothing else is close.

I know this is a rambling post. Maybe its because I never owned a KS bike but when I went to the dealer with my check book and rode the K1300S back to back with an S1000RR, I came home with the RR and ended up taking it on sporty multi-day trips into hillbilly county.
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Maybe its because I never owned a KS bike but when I went to the dealer with my check book and rode the K1300S back to back with an S1000RR, I came home with the RR and ended up taking it on sporty multi-day trips into hillbilly county.

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I guess it's down not just to what you need - but what you want.

I can see no end to the current trend for big 'adventure' bikes being marketed and bought as sports-tourers ( I blame Ewan and Charley), but for me, my ancient FJ1200 was better for serious distance in comfort and being quite 'chuckable' once at your destination.

Of course, many of the current crop of adventure bikes can do the job, but for those of us hooked on the K, the way it delivers ('stupidly fast' according to one MS&L road test) and makes me personally mouth a silent curse of wonderment inside my Shoei every time i gun it, simply cannot be emulated by, for example, the R1200RT.

It's much more than what we could ever need - but it is what we want.

Speaking of "ancient", I came from a 1994 CBR 1000F to my 2010 K13S tri-color.. I outfitted with a 3pc GIVI, Corbin, and a MRA taller screen. It was a similar weight and wheel base bike. Given the vintage, it was comfortable and did well and would go all day long in 750 mile days. The K13S gave me 40 more horses and way better brakes and suspension adjust-ability. I considered a Blackbird as the replacement as it offered the desired rider protection and performance but it didn't solve the old bike reliability issue.

I still lean toward more sport than touring but desire a pleasing styling and reasonable protection from the wind and rain. I think the K13S has that in spades. My style taste are certainly more old-school, Think 86 VF1000R or 90 CBR 1000F. The VFR1200 was a style disaster, as is most of what Honda has now. The FJR offered really good performance but looks like all-tour with little sport. Will likely be my next ride? The Motus MST is certainly more sport, maybe too much but the price tag and engine racket are in the negative column. In short, after all that, there is nothing I desire more ATM.
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It's a shame that the VFR1200 was such an eye sore. The quality of that bike was amazing and the paint was like nothing I've ever seen on a production vehicle of any kind. I only spent about 30 minutes on the standard trans and another 30 or so on the DCT but I thought it was a pretty refined and great bike. I probably could have talked myself in to the 1 year warranty on it but just couldn't get over the fugly appearance of it especially when BMW had a store full of 3 year warranty bikes that were measureably better bikes.

I grew up on Hondas and have a special affinity there but they haven't made a bike I would like to own for over a decade now and I've purchased 5 new bikes in the last 7 years.
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I think the Kawasaki ZX14R is a good alternative to the K13S if you don't mind a chain. The ZX14R is faster, handles just as well, less expensive new than what I've seen a few used K13S's sell for and there is a ton of aftermarket support for the ZX14R to make it any bike you want to make it. The downside to the ZX14R in my opinion is that it also is getting a little dated and would benefit from updated electronics, shift assist, fly by wire etc. My 2017 ZX14R is just as comfortable to ride all day as my 2009 K13S. The riding position on the ZX14R is a tad more aggressive but that can be alleviated with the addition of risers and peg lowering kit. Lots of good choices today by other manufacturers if you're looking for a comfortable but fast sport tourer.
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BMW has traded their long and respected reputation for innovative, pragmatic, and dependable engineering for trendy Jimmy-whizbang touch-screens, problematic electronic puffery, and catchy acronyms and initializations. When they opted for common, innately flawed telescopic forks on the R1200R-WC they proved they care less for their reputation and loyal base than Angela Merkel does the German people. IMO my K1200R will always be their zenith as well as an overture to their swan song.
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And lots of folks moaned that the K12S wasnít a replacement for the K12RS. The Slant engine was doomed when it became a 1 model engine with the release of the K16. Just because they went back to std. forks with active ESA isnít a detriment to the bikes quality or performance again this coming from my experience of owning 3 slant engine bikes and now 2 S bikes. The S. Bikes are a generational improvement over the K just as the K was to the KRS.
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Just because they went back to std. forks with active ESA isnít a detriment to the bikes quality or performance again this coming from my experience of owning 3 slant engine bikes and now 2 S bikes. The S. Bikes are a generational improvement over the K just as the K was to the KRS.


Telescopic forks have their pros. They also are plagued with maintenance, bump-steer, sensitivity, and massive brake-dive problems that Telelever and Duo-lever are NOT. The S1000 is a great platform, but one that we have been carpet bombed with by Japan's Big-4 for the last 30+ years for many $thousands less per unit. Screw the soon dated, soon after to fail touch-screen menus and 'Modes'; I want stand-alone 'Engineering' that makes sense.
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If the Hossack suspension is truely superior why arenít we see it proliferated through the industry similar to to how the industry is adopting active suspension?

The truth is there are some advantages, elimination of most front end drive, to it and some draw backs; weight, complexity resulting in things like ball joint failures and also loss of front end feel to name a few.

Maintenance is a wash if both systems are properly maintenance (shocks rebuilds vs fork oil changes).

But if you are asking BMW to continue to produce the slant engine for 1 bike model that other models overlap enough to cover,well just donít hold your breath.
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Yeah and more power and a sixth gear. It only has five.

I put the FJR1300 in the same category as the K1600. Itís a sport-Tourer. The emphasis is on tour with some sport.
The new ones have six gears, but they're 75 lbs heavier than the K1300S...
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Except you can still ride a K1300. Now if you try and ride a deceased friend that's frowned upon in some cultures.
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I know this bike might be underpowered for some of you but certainly an impressive list of features, the Yamaha Tracer 900 GT:

https://www.yamahamotorsports.com/sp.../tracer-900-gt

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If the Hossack suspension is truely superior why arenít we see it proliferated through the industry similar to to how the industry is adopting active suspension?

I suspect it's because the Hossack suspension is "odd"/"weird" whatever you want to call it. The masses understand forks and maybe they are cheaper to produce.

The lack of feel on the K12S was dealt with on the K13S by having the bottom half of the fork in aluminium rather than steel which saved about 2 kilos of unsprung weight. I noticed the lack of feel on my K12 but got used to it and to trust the front end. The K13 has no such issues at least IMHO.
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I dropped by my local Kawayamasukida shop this week and lo, there sat a brandy new, never been ridden H2SX in evil villain metal flake green. I have to say that other than the color, I was a bit smitten by the bike's fit and finish and accouterment. Pretty cool integration of the forward facing lights, all the wizardry for long distance touring, already set up for mounting cases on it. It's a big thing though. 593 lbs. Long, wide, and felt heavy sitting on it.

The salesmook said they're getting them in very limited quantities but they'd let this one, in all its supercharged sexiness, roll out for $19,000 list.

I'll never ride one of these so I'm just guessing that this thing is far from flickable and maybe hard to chuck it down a twisty road. It kinda gives me a Hayabusa vibe - bigass loud powerful flashy bike night bike that would get spanked on the Cherohala, definitely at Deals Gap by a smaller bike and would be tough to put in a 500 mile day on it. I could be totally wrong. In any event, it definitely looks like Batman's parked his Sport/Touring bike out front.
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I know this bike might be underpowered for some of you but certainly an impressive list of features, the Yamaha Tracer 900 GT:

https://www.yamahamotorsports.com/sp.../tracer-900-gt

6 speed, slipper clutch, 474 lbs., 115 hp, ride by wire throttle, traction control, cruise control, ABS, center stand, power port, luggage. Top speed about 140.

this and the s1xr are just not in the same class as the k13s. they are in a different market. K13s is sport bike fairing, aggressive riding ergos. tracer and xr are aimed at the minimal fairing, sit-up-and-beg ergo crowd. neither are a "replacement" for the K13S.
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Never said it was. It is an impressive list of features. If the K 13 had all that, the cruise control and fly by wire especially maybe they would have sold more and still been in production.
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K13s is sport bike fairing, aggressive riding ergos.

what is agressive riding ergos?
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Of course if one is both more comfortable for distance and faster in the fun stuff on an XR or even a GS than they are on a KS it speaks volumes to the short comings of the KS platform
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I'll never ride one of these so I'm just guessing that this thing is far from flickable and maybe hard to chuck it down a twisty road. It kinda gives me a Hayabusa vibe - bigass loud powerful flashy bike night bike that would get spanked on the Cherohala, definitely at Deals Gap by a smaller bike and would be tough to put in a 500 mile day on it. I could be totally wrong. In any event, it definitely looks like Batman's parked his Sport/Touring bike out front.

I've read several reviews in reference to the Kawasaki H2SX and the authors experience from riding the H2 is the exact opposite of your assessment. The H2SXSE may be my next bike, I'd already own one if not for the 22k price tag. I'll wait for end of year incentives or find a used one with low miles in another year or two. The only downside from my perspective is the H2 has a chain, I prefer shaft drive because I'm lazy and don't enjoy performing chain maintenance. The H2SX has all the technology upgrades BMW should have incorporated into the K13S but didn't.
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I've read several reviews in reference to the Kawasaki H2SX and the authors experience from riding the H2 is the exact opposite of your assessment. The H2SXSE may be my next bike, I'd already own one if not for the 22k price tag. I'll wait for end of year incentives or find a used one with low miles in another year or two. The only downside from my perspective is the H2 has a chain, I prefer shaft drive because I'm lazy and don't enjoy performing chain maintenance. The H2SX has all the technology upgrades BMW should have incorporated into the K13S but didn't.

If this bike handles well, then by the looks of it is the closest thing to the KS I see on the market. The size, ergos, and performance should be pretty comparable.

Have they solved the problem on the SE/SX with that engine needing 15 hour maintenance intervals? The guy at the dealer didn't know anything about that. I'm pretty sure I read that the H2 needs dealer attention every 15 hours.
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If this bike handles well, then by the looks of it is the closest thing to the KS I see on the market. The size, ergos, and performance should be pretty comparable.

Have they solved the problem on the SE/SX with that engine needing 15 hour maintenance intervals? The guy at the dealer didn't know anything about that. I'm pretty sure I read that the H2 needs dealer attention every 15 hours.

You might be referring to the H2R, the H2R is the top of the line non street legal bike designed for track use only with a price tag of 55k. From everything I've read regarding the street legal H2 on various Kawasaki forums I've never seen any mention of a 15 hour service interval.

My 2017 ZX14R handles well, just as well as my 2009 K13S so I'm confident the H2SX handles well too. From the reviews I've read online about the H2SX it's a great bike but to be honest I always have a bit of skepticism when reading anything in bike magazines since bike manufacturers pay each mag a lot of money in advertising. I love the looks and potential of the H2SX and as soon as I find the right deal I hope to add one to my garage.
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nah...speaks volumes to the short comings of the rider!

folks who put lower pegs, bar risers and cushy seats on K13S's....should have bought a K13GT instead as that is what they ended up with.

ain't nothing bad about XRs , GS's or GT's.......they just are not the same type bike as an S so they draw a different rider.
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The number of k bike riders with bunches of miles on them that now ride a GS or SXR show your statement to be incorrect
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quite the contrary....shows those riders were either on the wrong type bike in the first place, or their life/needs for a bike changed and something else fills the need better now. all good.

i know several folks who drove Porsche 911's for many years, but now drive Cayenne SUVs or Panamera sedans. doesn't meet the 911 is a bad car or had short comings, it is just a different market niche.

the KS's are a different market niche than the XR, GT or GS's.
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The number of k bike riders with bunches of miles on them that now ride a GS or SXR show your statement to be incorrect

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I had an XR - great bike - but went back to a K13S. More of a Gentleman's Express than an XR which is a bit of a Hooligan's Express!
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nah...speaks volumes to the short comings of the rider!

folks who put lower pegs, bar risers and cushy seats on K13S's....should have bought a K13GT instead as that is what they ended up with.

ain't nothing bad about XRs , GS's or GT's.......they just are not the same type bike as an S so they draw a different rider.

Short legs = low seat.
Low seat = more severe knee angle.
More severe knee angle = lower pegs.

It has nothing to do with the kind of riding one wishes to do. You have made an assumption based on a sample that is too narrow.
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