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From huge excitement to huge disappointment .

well i should have known better to buy a bike without seeing it, though I still may not have noticed it I didn't until I got back from the 1st ride. then I noticed oil all over the bike after the 1st ride, took off the belly pan and it was full of oil
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Re: From huge excitement to huge disappointment .

Damn! Can you see where the leak is coming from? Maybe just the drain plug loose or no crush washer?

I'm sure you're gonna be talking to the seller but it's hard to believe that he'd hide that so blatantly.

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Re: From huge excitement to huge disappointment .

I've got all the panels off and the weird thing is with that much oil in the pan you would think it would be pretty obvious but, so much is wet with oil haven't pinned down where it came from. Had to call it a night, will look at it more tomorrow.

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Damn! Can you see where the leak is coming from? Maybe just the drain plug loose or no crush washer?

I'm sure you're gonna be talking to the seller but it's hard to believe that he'd hide that so blatantly.

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Re: From huge excitement to huge disappointment .

Well I would have thought that the potential suspects if the oil is only in the bellypan are the drain plug and oil filter, but the latter is the less likely - you only have to put an oil filter on hand tight and they tend to work themselves on even tighter - I speak from experience today as it took a lot of brute force to remove an oil filter from my K13. If the leak was in the region of the dry sump tank I would be surprised if any of the oil ended up in the belly pan. I take it that you didn't notice any oil on the rear tyre?
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Definitely keep us posted. How much oil was in the cowling? Maybe that was oil the previous owner let drain down onto the cowling? Did you get the low oil warning light?
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def sucks, hope you get it sorted out without too much trouble!
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Re: From huge excitement to huge disappointment .

My money is on the oil plug...They guy may have changed the oil in preparation for the sale and just didn't tighten it down or perhaps a wore out oil plug gasket...

pressure wash the bottom of the engine if possible (it must be nasty) then start her up and see what happens before panicking...

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Re: From huge excitement to huge disappointment .

Well i found it, and it's not good. looks like the right corner of the valve cover gasket and doesn't start until the engine gets really hot. Sick at my stomach over all of this, wonder how many 1000's this is going to cost to fix.
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Sorry the hear that. Was it a private sale? I would still call him out on it and see if he is willing to cough up some money. Not likely, unfortunately. Let us know how the repair goes.
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Re: From huge excitement to huge disappointment .

No, it was from a a dealer who I let know about it yesterday before I found root cause.
The service guy did call me back and told me to let him know what it was but, I'm not sure they will do anything about it and since we are 500 miles apart and it was sold as is. I should have taken out the extended warranty I guess

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Sorry the hear that. Was it a private sale? I would still call him out on it and see if he is willing to cough up some money. Not likely, unfortunately. Let us know how the repair goes.
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Re: From huge excitement to huge disappointment .

Odds are they took the bike as a trade in and had no idea the bike had this problem... Call them back and speak with the manager.. Ask what they can do for you to make things right..

Be nice... Don't be accusatory.. MY guess is they'll step up to the plate and repair it. At the very least, if they offer nothing, ask if they'll repair at dealer cost. Yes.. 500 miles is a long way, but it might be worth the trip back...

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No, it was from a a dealer who I let know about it yesterday before I found root cause.
The service guy did call me back and told me to let him know what it was but, I'm not sure they will do anything about it and since we are 500 miles apart and it was sold as is. I should have taken out the extended warranty I guess
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Re: From huge excitement to huge disappointment .

It's showing in the VIN run of service records they did for me, that it just had the 18k miles service including valve check which I bet the gasket wasn't put back on correctly then.
I hoping they will do something since they did the work on it.

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Odds are they took the bike as a trade in and had no idea the bike had this problem... Call them back and speak with the manager.. Ask what they can do for you to make things right..

Be nice... Don't be accusatory.. MY guess is they'll step up to the plate and repair it. At the very least, if they offer nothing, ask if they'll repair at dealer cost. Yes.. 500 miles is a long way, but it might be worth the trip back...
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Well i found it, and it's not good. looks like the right corner of the valve cover gasket and doesn't start until the engine gets really hot. Sick at my stomach over all of this, wonder how many 1000's this is going to cost to fix.
As others have stated - see what the dealer is going to say about this?

A few things - is the dealer a BMW dealer? Is there a BMW dealer close to you? A valve cover gasket in itself is not the end of the world.

Sure you having to get it back to the dealer is going to be a pain - again see what they say about that.

Once you have all the facts - make a decision based on the best and least costly way to repair this?

If the dealer is not going to help out - or if it is going to cost you more in time and money to get it there and back see if they will pay for parts and what their internal labor rate for the repair - they may go for that.

Myself if I was going to be out of pocket - I would do the job myself - and in most cases I rather do it myself anyway.

I doubt you did any damage to the engine - how low on oil was it?
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Re: From huge excitement to huge disappointment .

It was about a quart low on oil, no low light ever came on. The dealer did send me this yesterday and sounds pretty much what it might be but, i don't know if that is just a FYI or a recall type thing. Anyone know?

If it comes down to it no one is going to help then yes, I will be doing the work myself I have a service manual I had already ordered, looks time consuming but, since I already have all the panels off I'm a little bit ahead.

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As others have stated - see what the dealer is going to say about this?

A few things - is the dealer a BMW dealer? Is there a BMW dealer close to you? A valve cover gasket in itself is not the end of the world.

Sure you having to get it back to the dealer is going to be a pain - again see what they say about that.

Once you have all the facts - make a decision based on the best and least costly way to repair this?

If the dealer is not going to help out - or if it is going to cost you more in time and money to get it there and back see if they will pay for parts and what their internal labor rate for the repair - they may go for that.

Myself if I was going to be out of pocket - I would do the job myself - and in most cases I rather do it myself anyway.

I doubt you did any damage to the engine - how low on oil was it?
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It was about a quart low on oil, no low light ever came on. The dealer did send me this yesterday and sounds pretty much what it might be but, i don't know if that is just a FYI or a recall type thing. Anyone know?

If it comes down to it no one is going to help then yes, I will be doing the work myself I have a service manual I had already ordered, looks time consuming but, since I already have all the panels off I'm a little bit ahead.
A quart low again I doubt you have anything to worry about. Did the dealer offer to repair it or any help?
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Re: From huge excitement to huge disappointment .

Maybe the seller you bought it from would cover the repair cost to be done at a dealer near you or at least cover part of it. After all, you paid for the bike in good faith based on their description & any reputable dealer should stand behind a product they sell. You also paid for shipping, which I'm sure was at least $500, so to haul the bike back to the seller would just be more time & money spent.

It looks like the document you posted explains the leak problem that can occur if the cam chain repair (which was/is a warranty repair) wasn't performed properly. That, IMO, should cover any repair you may need, assuming that's the issue. Warranty work performed that goes wrong, should be redone at no cost to you.

Being down a quart or so won't kill the bike & a DIY repair is fairly straight forward but I think I'd rather have it done by the dealer if the seller will work with you. You've got a BMW dealer in Birmingham & another one in Huntsville... I'd go that route first. And I agree with Pirate and be civil in your request. It is a reasonable request considering what's happened. You're in the right on this one IMO.
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The repair will likely be straight forward so shouldn't cost too much. I would definitely pursue to idea to have the work done locally and the selling dealer to pay for at least part of it. That seems fair and will not necessitate threatening legal action or taking to social media. I think patience and persistent will pay off for you.
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Re: From huge excitement to huge disappointment .

If the dealer just did the 18k mile service and they are a BMW dealer I would defiantly think they would take care of the problem. Regardless of how far they are from you. Im sure this was an honest issue, I don't think they would have let the bike go if they knew its was bad, there reputation is more important than them selling one bike, Like others have said keep a calm voice, it will work out! Just unfortunate.
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No, it was from a a dealer who I let know about it yesterday before I found root cause.
The service guy did call me back and told me to let him know what it was but, I'm not sure they will do anything about it and since we are 500 miles apart and it was sold as is. I should have taken out the extended warranty I guess

Oh man that sucks, sorry to hear about the trouble, I'm not sure there in USA but here in Aussieland, you buy from a Dealer and you have 3 months or 5000 Kms warranty. If you are repairing locally, make them talk directly, certainly the one that sold you the bike will get trade prices, and he may pay for the repair. Good luck anyway.
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Just a quick update on my issue. Today the dealer I bought it from told me to take it to my local dealer and have then diagnose it and have that dealer call them. Maybe they plan to help after all. I had already ordered the parts and planned to do it myself the biggest issue looked like getting it re-filled with coolant. It looks like it has to be pressure vacuumed back in with a special machine, that was a 1st never heard of that. Bad thing is my local dealer told me they are about 20 days behind now. can't catch a break with this thing.
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Just a quick update on my issue. Today the dealer I bought it from told me to take it to my local dealer and have then diagnose it and have that dealer call them. Maybe they plan to help after all. I had already ordered the parts and planned to do it myself the biggest issue looked like getting it re-filled with coolant. It looks like it has to be pressure vacuumed back in with a special machine, that was a 1st never heard of that. Bad thing is my local dealer told me they are about 20 days behind now. can't catch a break with this thing.


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Sounds like the selling dealer is interested in helping make things right. That's a good sign.
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There you go, they are admitting to a repair which seems to have been substandard and could have caused a slick tire rear end wash out!

Offer to buy the gasket and oil if they throw in the labor to do it again.
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I decided to screw it and fix it myself instead of waiting 28 days on the local dealer to look at it. Not to bad of job just time consuming, and still ticked a dealer would sell me the bike with an open case with BMW on the leak. But, whatever it's fixed and the only issue left is the wanting to stall at times coming to a stop, other than that is runs awesome. Also, it's LOUD lol that full akrapovic exhaust sounds awesome but, neighbors probably going to hate me.
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Glad you managed to get it all fixed! Did you try to at least recoupe some of the parts expense from the selling dealer? Kinda would think that they could at least step up to plate and cover that.
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Oh yes, I am going to send them a bill and hope they will at least help cover some of this.

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What the hell?! - EWR in huge letters on my K1200S display HDF "K12S" Gen. Discussions 13 10-29-2006 05:34 AM
Need a huge favor!!!! Pathogen7 "KRS/GT" Gen. Discussions 4 10-18-2006 02:43 PM


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