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Old 04-08-2015, 11:04 PM
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How I know is immaterial but suffice it to say that I have it on reasonably good authority that the K1300S replacement is in development at the moment. Given that we have seen the new Motorsport colour scheme for the 2015 model year we can hopefully expect to see the replacement in the 2016 model year.

This is good news for those like me who don't want a 1600GT and who have scratched the S1000RR itch. I rode mine today to pick up a part from a local dealer and reminded myself what a really good bike the K1300S is.

Have you got any updates for us Philip?
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Re: New K1300S replacement is in development!

Guys, whenever there is an all black edition of a model, that will be the last production run. Historically, it is so in BMW motorrad"s case.
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Guys, whenever there is an all black edition of a model, that will be the last production run. Historically, it is so in BMW motorrad"s case.
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The 2014 BMW annual report indicates the model lineup is pretty set with the R1200 and S1000 models, which have sold well. Seems the K1300 is at the proverbial end of the road with no replacement in sight.
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"Well I'm at Cotswold BMW as I type this - car is in for service - and I've asked the Motorrad guys and they say there's no news. The best guess is that the inline four platform going forward will be the 1 litre from the S1000RR in the XR which will appear in the UK in June."
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Do they know something we don't........

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Oh baby, I'm in. :gra pe:
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Oh baby, I'm in. :gra pe:

uh...can anybody say, "ignorant seller"? lol
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How I know is immaterial but suffice it to say that I have it on reasonably good authority that the K1300S replacement is in development at the moment. Given that we have seen the new Motorsport colour scheme for the 2015 model year we can hopefully expect to see the replacement in the 2016 model year.

This is good news for those like me who don't want a 1600GT and who have scratched the S1000RR itch. I rode mine today to pick up a part from a local dealer and reminded myself what a really good bike the K1300S is.


I did not expect the redesigned r1200r, and it's not a big seller either.

I think they will do the same with the S. A totally new look.

Just look at what they did my KZ1000!

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Re: New K1300S replacement is in development!

I keep coming back to
http://bmwmcmag.com/2014/12/bmw-moto...152016-models/
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That leaves only two options, stopping the K1300s line or producing an evolution of what we see now for 2016.
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and thinking if the K1300s has a successor it would have been announced by now.
That leaves only two options, stopping the K1300s line or producing an evolution of what we see now for 2016.

I think this is confirmation that the K1300 is a dead duck and the successor is 2016 S 1000 XR.
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2016 S 1000 XR - just noticed chain not shaft so I wouldn't even consider one.
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2016 S 1000 XR - just noticed chain not shaft so I wouldn't even consider one.

Too damned small for this larger sized boy...I won't even sit on one.
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Too damned small for this larger sized boy...I won't even sit on one.


Well, this is the exact point that designers must think, a future bike with the capabilities and ergo of the K13.

IMO Is a fact K13 as proyect is finnished, but customers need a bike like this and have few (or none) choices.

I believe in the some bike like K13 in a future, hope I'm still alive that day
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I think the R1200RS will steal a few dedicated K1300 riders.... I'm happy to live in hope of an upgraded model, and keep on enjoying the K1300R I have.
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Well, this is the exact point that designers must think, a future bike with the capabilities and ergo of the K13.

IMO Is a fact K13 as proyect is finnished, but customers need a bike like this and have few (or none) choices.

I believe in the some bike like K13 in a future, hope I'm still alive that day
Oh Bernardo, they have them...they're the 'Busa, the FJR, the ZX14R and the Concours.
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[quote=KiwiMat]I think the R1200RS will steal a few dedicated K1300 riders...[\QUOTE]

I think you're right about that Mat.
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I agree mate - reckon BMW will rue the decision if they go this route. Lack of foresight on their part.
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With BMW having record earnings in the 1st Qtr... More than likely on the backs of the new S1000 and GS Platforms, how crazy would it be for the mothership to build a 1300 or 1400 based on the engine design of the s1000. With the proper styling and marketing executed, I think they would have a real winner and a new king of the Hyper Sport Tourers. I swear I saw a twinkle and some bridled excitement in my dealer's eyes yesterday when unhappily venting to him about this being the final year for our beloved K1300S.
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With BMW having record earnings in the 1st Qtr...

Oh Yeah. Record earnings because they are still charging original prices while the Euro is now down to 1.07 dollars from 1.42 a year or so back. Makes for over 25% profit jump right there. I realize international marketing and posted prices, but rebates could handle fair pricing. I know the USofA has had a good deal on pricing for years and I guess it is our turn to pay out.

And I hold out, a new and up graded K bike is coming.
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Digging around the forum I found this rather old post, but that could raise some hopes (if BMW only pushed until now that project...) ;-)

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I must be getting old because I can't imagine the need for anything faster or quicker than the K13S. I certainly don't. I have to hold myself back from getting in trouble all the time. The thing is a bunch quicker than any Ferrari I've ever driven or owned. Anything faster and your asking to get hurt. These forums need to add a spell checker just for me. I'm terrible at spelling. That being said I'm thrilled to own my bike and will never sell it especially if they're not going to make more of them. I like riding it or just even looking at it. What a fantastic piece of machinery.
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I was at Cotswold today. There is a deafening silence on the issue of any upgrade/replacement for the K1300S.
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I was speaking with my sales person at my dealer today who advised it's still unknown: some say they will produce the KS next year as is, some say it will be discontinued all together, but he indicated the rumor mill is working overtime about a K1600S with a 6 cylinder engine.

If the K1600GT has 165 HP tuned for touring, I wonder how much power they could squeeze out of the motor if they tried to make it more sport oriented?
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I was speaking with my sales person at my dealer today who advised it's still unknown: some say they will produce the KS next year as is, some say it will be discontinued all together, but he indicated the rumor mill is working overtime about a K1600S with a 6 cylinder engine.

If the K1600GT has 165 HP tuned for touring, I wonder how much power they could squeeze out of the motor if they tried to make it more sport oriented?
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This suspense starts to get as much hype as the Episode VII (ok, on a different scale, but still)!
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K1600S is a fun rumor, but beating the Kawasaki 1400 ZZR at 590 lbs in sport touring is a very tall order. The 1600 GTL starts off over 700 lbs.
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K1600S is a fun rumor, but beating the Kawasaki 1400 ZZR at 590 lbs in sport touring is a very tall order. The 1600 GTL starts off over 700 lbs.
I don't think it would be to hard to come in under 600lbs. If you look at the ZZR in touring configuration aka the Concours it weighs 690 and has a lot less standard equipment then the K16. So BMW should be able to shave over a hundred pounds pretty easy.
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K1600S is a fun rumor, but beating the Kawasaki 1400 ZZR at 590 lbs in sport touring is a very tall order. The 1600 GTL starts off over 700 lbs.

Hmm. Make the K1300s into a K1400s wouldn't seem that difficult.
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All they need to do is add cruise, update the headlight design, give it quick shift both up and down and improve the electronics a little to bring it up to par with their other new bikes. The rest is fine.

A ZZ14R is a nice rig as well. I almost bought one but opted instead for the KS. Maybe I will buy one if it turns out that the Harley is a total loss.
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Other than normal curiosity I don't care personally. My K13S is more bike than I'll ever need and I have no plan to ever sell it.
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Well, it looks like if BMW vacates this space, KTM is ready to fill in and gobble up some market share: http://www.visordown.com/motorcycle-...ied/26685.html
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Read today in this week's edition of Moto Journal (French leading motorcycling publication) in the presentation of the new S1000XR.

(English rough translation) 'Josef Mächler is Product Manager of the S1000RR, S1000R and S1000XR [... and says that] "The segment of the Sport-GT crumbled down during the last years{...]. In such the S1000XR is the future of the CBR1100XX, the K1300S. It is in this direction that this category will evolve [...]."

Moto Journal #2147 dated May 21st 2015, page 15.

Of course he pushes his babies and this is fair enough, but the context seems to crystalize more and more towards the extinction of the K1300S and R. Sadly...

One can still hope for a change of wind to a better choice...

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Interesting article. That's a shame. I personally will never consider those as viable replacements for my K1300S and will look at KTM, Ducati and even the Kawasaki ZX14RR or (if they update it) the Hayabusa to replace it when the time comes.
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Looking at where BMW is going with their lines, I would expect a S1000RS before an updated version of the K-S/R. And that's not necessarily a bad thing if you look at the R1200RS. Think same power as current K, less weight and shorter wheelbase. Should be a hoot to ride.
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Whatever they do they better do it quick because daddy is ready for a new toy and there is no way I'm investing 20000€ in a 10 year-old concept.

PS. The R1200RS is cute but how on earth do you keep it clean? Not ride it?
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Hopefully there will be something new in 2016. What worries me is the lack of 'stolen' pictures of a development bike.
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Looking at where BMW is going with their lines, I would expect a S1000RS before an updated version of the K-S/R. And that's not necessarily a bad thing if you look at the R1200RS. Think same power as current K, less weight and shorter wheelbase. Should be a hoot to ride.

Think a little less power & a lot less torque... the K13 at a standstill has the torque of the road version of the new supercharged Kawasaki at speed. Having ridden the S1000R it's a world away from the K.
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The S and the K are both great bikes, but they are very different bikes. One is not a substitute for the other. Especially for bigger riders.
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I did read they are updating the K1600 line for 2016. Maybe they will make the GT more sporty?
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The 1600 really will never fit in the same category as the K1300s.
There are no six cylinder entries in sport touring right now and have been very few over the years. Honda tried it with the CBX and found out that a six is just not suited to sport touring. Straight up touring is fine, but they are wide and heavy as a rule so a lot less sporting.
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The 1600 really will never fit in the same category as the K1300s.
There are no six cylinder entries in sport touring right now and have been very few over the years. Honda tried it with the CBX and found out that a six is just not suited to sport touring. Straight up touring is fine, but they are wide and heavy as a rule so a lot less sporting.

K1600 engine is just 6.7cm wider than the K13...if they can tune a 1000cc engine to produce near on 200hp imagine what they could do with a 1600 6 if they put their minds to it in a suitable format...think proper hyper-tourer...but yeah, it wouldn't be like BMW to break the mould would it?
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K1600 engine is just 6.7cm wider than the K13...if they can tune a 1000cc engine to produce near on 200hp imagine what they could do with a 1600 6 if they put their minds to it in a suitable format...think proper hyper-tourer...but yeah, it wouldn't be like BMW to break the mould would it?

Yea, the only thing that would be as cool as that would be if they made a VMAX with a bigger gas tank so you could go 180 to 200 miles between fill ups rather than 80-100.
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K1300s is 35.6 inches at the mirrors which I hit pretty often.
VMax is 31.5 inches and Aprilia RSV4 is only 29 inches and they easily pass where I fear to tread. If someone comes up behind me lane splitting behind me I let them by. They are almost always on a bike with less width.
4 inches can be a lot of width, assuming they keep the GTL dimensions.

On the other hand I understand few of us are commuting in traffic and lane splitting on a daily basis. But for those who do the extra width may be a deal breaker.
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Just to add my 2 cents worth. I would love to see the following:

1. Cruise control - very useful here in Australia where the grind home on the motorway at the end of a 600km day ride is much safer with cruise control.

2. The electronic modes that I have on the new R1200 GSA (rain, road, dynamic)

3. The new quick shifter from the R1200GSA that allows changes up and down.

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K1600 engine is just 6.7cm wider than the K13...if they can tune a 1000cc engine to produce near on 200hp imagine what they could do with a 1600 6 if they put their minds to it in a suitable format...think proper hyper-tourer...but yeah, it wouldn't be like BMW to break the mould would it?

The engine is a big win or fail point regarding a potential new K1300S (or whatever it will be named), but don't foget the bike shape and ergonomics. The S1000 based series is very sporty (of course see where it's breeded from) and the K1600 is at the other end of the scope. The current K1300 series has a very unique combination of sport like fairing and position while keeping the tourer luxury of the seating configuration and back end of the bike. Even the S1000XR cannot do that mix, it's still a superbike trail, nothing else.

So, ok to consider the K1600 engine base if that's the road to follow but not in a superbike template or in a tourer model. BMW has to come up with a distinctive combination... Wait! It exists already, it's the K1300S, so make it a K1600 but keep the S spirit (the S from the end not the front of the name) ;-)
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... so, IF they did use a 1600 engine... how heavy would the bike be?

Old R1200RT - old R1200R = 259kg - 223kg = 36kg of fairing & crap (they both have same suspension)
K1300S - K1300 R = 254 - 243 = 11kg of sports fairing
K1600GT - fairing & crap + sports fairing = 332 - 36 + 11 = 307kg (677lb)... ish... *

Even if you drop that by a %age for error & design that's still a bloody heavy bike!... (the engine alone is 103kg)... & it would probably still have to be around 100mm (4") longer. Viable?



* you may, of course, have a better way of estimating this
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..... I dont believe in God, but i do believe there will be a "Series 2" K1300S/R
call it blind faith, but none of the BMW dealers i have asked have said the bike is being discontinued. One said, BMW plan there models years in advance.
If they do discontinue, our bikes hold there value well, and a cult following/legend begins.
and i will install factory cruise on my K1300R.
Thats all i got......

but, while we are speculating and dreaming up new bikes.....
how about a K1400 (with a 1450cc engine) to smack up next to the ZX14. Last engine increase was 150cc, so why not do it again.
1600 engine..... who knows? would BMW make a K1600S with 220hp+ and enough torque to
tow a boat behind it.... and would anybody want that......
K1300 revamp plus goodies.... yes please, cruise, dynamic ESA etc etc, some say more to go wrong, then more to recall and fix for free..... a trip metre that goes over 999km.
Actually, after recently test riding the R1200RS, if they do upgrade all the electronic goodies on the K1300, their going to need a bigger dash, thats for sure!

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True, but that doesn't stop BMW from doing things like that. I mean the boxer guys have been screaming, yelling, pouting and begging for more than a decade after BMW killed the R11xxRS and R1100S to give them a more modern, updated sport tourer.

That said, the S1000RR is surprisingly roomy for a sport bike and having sat on the S1000XR I found it as roomy as the GS but with a better seating position for my 6'2", 36" inseam, 190lbs stature. Same with the R1200RS. It's a tiny bike if you see it sitting on the stand, but it provides me more space than my K and the riding position is a little more relaxed as well.

If they make something like a S1000RS and make it as spacious as the R12RS, there will not be a lot to complain about.
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If they make something like a S1000RS and make it as spacious as the R12RS, there will not be a lot to complain about.

If all you're after is a chain driven sports tourer then the competition from Kawasaki & Suzuki offers far more powerful & capable equivalents to the K13 than a 1 litre bike ever could be. More shafties roll out of the BMW factory than chains for a good reason...they sell. They will lose sight of a segment of the market if they ignore it.
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If all you're after is a chain driven sports tourer then the competition from Kawasaki & Suzuki offers far more powerful & capable equivalents to the K13 than a 1 litre bike ever could be. More shafties roll out of the BMW factory than chains for a good reason...they sell. They will lose sight of a segment of the market if they ignore it.

Don't forget about the paralever/telever/hossack front suspension. The S1000XR and R12RS have conventional front forks. I like the hossack front end.
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The Motorsport costs about $25,000 USD out the door with taxes, license and extended warranty. For that price they should develop:
1) Aprilia class shifting assist
2) non intrusive ASC (you should barely know it is there like some other manufacturers)
3) correct fuel maps for all occasions
4) use an adjustable length shock in the rear

I think we will never see these things, development has stopped on this line or we would have more progress in the 2015 model vs the 2014 model.
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Don't forget about the paralever/telever/hossack front suspension. The S1000XR and R12RS have conventional front forks. I like the hossack front end.

Agree about the Hossack front end, it's the smoothest I've ever ridden. It works so well, people complain of vagueness. If you have ever watched the thing while in motion, it handles stuff you cannot even see in the road. Constantly moving as little as a fraction of an inch. A very good design I think, ignoring issues with the ball joints which happen but could be remedied by the engineers with better quality parts or something.
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I decided to move on to a tuono or s1000r. For my 145lbs body, they are fine.
Did a test ride on sr and loved it. A large mra screen should fix find issue. Waiting on tuono arrival of 1100.
My silver ks is in market already. Try to grab the june deal.
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