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Old 07-18-2015, 06:11 AM
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Ok, FWIW, I heard today, from my new salesman at my new dealer (don't know his track record yet) that the 'new' K13S replacement is not a) my guess- an electronically optioned updated version of the current bike, or b) even a 1300cc machine!

He's telling me he's hearing a K16S machine, a slim down version of a K16GT, and it will skip a model year, or be introduced all by itself on the half year. Of course when you ask how anyone knows, they just shrug their shoulders, or just say 'that's what I'm hearing.'

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Mmmmmmm... K1600S , yes please with all the electronic bits, somewhere around 230-240kg dry please, with a silly amount of HP and torque.
That should eat ZX-14's and Hyabusa's for breakfast..... Dream....dream....dream....


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Was at dealer yesterday. They said its very possible that BMW will continue to take orders for the K1300S in 2016. They had a Bruce-colored one on the floor if anyone is still looking for a new 2015. He did though also say its at the end of its lifecycle.
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Heard a K1600S from someone at CCBMW in NJ.

If it at all true, not sure how it will maintain its current FAT content and agility.

Build an SR engine based 1200cc motor, add latest tech and HW, squeeze near godly Torque and HP and I am back in the game. A 1600cc motor ?? just get GT. We dont need a fat pig
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The stroke on the current 1600 motor is too long to allow it to rev high enough and free enough for a sport type bike like the K1300S/R is. My guess is that they will have to shorten the stroke, thereby reducing the displacement to below 1500cc and maybe as low as 1400cc. That would solve the performance of the engine, making a nice revy, silky smooth 200 hp inline 6. But that still leaves the issue of weight, both the engine and the overall bike and the fact that the inline 6 will slow transitions of the bike and make it less flickable. Anyway, I don't think BMW will have a replacement for 2016, we will have to wait for 2017 to see what, if anything they do. I have some hope because I was told by a BMW corporate rep at the last show that BMW would not leave such a large gap in their lineup for long. I think they want to give the new S1000 based bikes a chance to draw customers without the distraction of a new K-S/R bike as I see quite a bit of crossover amongst those potential customers. I'm fine with that because I won't be looking to upgrade for another 2-3 years anyway as I'm still paying on my K1300S and I have a habit of keeping vehicles until they are used up, the exception being my last bike, a 2001 Triumph Sprint ST which I sold with almost 80,000 miles on it. I expect to put at least 10K a year on from this point on, so I'll have 60K+ miles on it in 3 years. Unless I move back to California where I put almost 20K on a year, then I'll have more. Anyway, I'll see what info I can gleen from the motorcycle show come december.
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Mmmmmmm... K1600S , yes please with all the electronic bits, somewhere around 230-240kg dry please, with a silly amount of HP and torque.
That should eat ZX-14's and Hyabusa's for breakfast..... Dream....dream....dream....


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As a fanboi of the 1600 and owner of a 1600GT, I've often dreamed about what my bike would be like to ride if it weighed 100-150 lbs less and had better sporty ergos. But what's easy for me to dream about is a lot harder for BMW to engineer. They'd have to think about an entirely different fueling system for a higher revving solution. The current 1600 feeds through a single throttle body and long intake plenums. That's fine for an engine that wants freight train pull down low but I'm guessing is more of a challenge if 200 HP at 11,000 rpm is the design goal.

Besides, they've already got a 1000cc engine that eats ZX-14s and Hayabusa's. It's pretty cool what they've done with the 1000R and XR making 160 hp with 83 ft.lbs and having it come on hard in the mid-range. I'm switching my dreams to a version of the S bike that has that engine and less weight than the current K13S. Something like a 1200RS but with the inline 160hp engine. Chain drives are fine by me.
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I want no part of a K Bike based on the 1000 cc motor. Morever, while I have not ridden the bike yet, I have heard that the new XR transmits a great deal of vibration which if true would be enough to disqualify it from my shopping list. Still, I don't get why anyone would consider a 1000 cc engine a suitable replacement for a 1300 or 1400 cc motor. If they were interchangeable why do so many bike companies like Kawasaki and Suzuki who offer a liter bike also offer a 1300-1400 cc model? Because they are not fungible as BMW would like us to believe.
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I'm switching my dreams to a version of the S bike that has that engine and less weight than the current K13S. Something like a 1200RS but with the inline 160hp engine. Chain drives are fine by me.

I own a K1300S and a S1000R. The S bike is in no way, repeat, no way near a K bike. I like them both but the S bike is a day bike.
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But what's easy for me to dream about is a lot harder for BMW to engineer. They'd have to think about an entirely different fueling system for a higher revving solution. The current 1600 feeds through a single throttle body and long intake plenums. That's fine for an engine that wants freight train pull down low but I'm guessing is more of a challenge if 200 HP at 11,000 rpm is the design goal. .

Given the concept 6 perhaps development has already commenced. I want one.
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A 6 cylinder ks ? I doubt it will happen.
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While we are all speculating.....

K1200S .....1157cc
K1300S ....1293cc
K1400S with a 1459cc ....... 4 cylinder or 6?

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I own a K1300S and a S1000R. The S bike is in no way, repeat, no way near a K bike. I like them both but the S bike is a day bike.

Totally agree, same setup here :-)
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I bloody love this bike...it does everything brilliantly...solo.... two up...fast....cruise....sun...wind...rain...whatever...... it the the dogs danglies...it has presence...kudos....respect.....it is the M5 of the BMW motorcycle range and as a consequence it is THE benchmark for other marques....however it needs an update

1. Cruise (this would inherently mean an electronic throttle)
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I don't know what you mean by number 8 as my k1300s has valve stems that stick out at 90 degrees from the centerline of the wheel. I would however add keep the duolever/hossack front suspension and upgrade the shocks to full DDC with the ability to custom calibrate it to the rider.
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I don't know what you mean by number 8 as my k1300s has valve stems that stick out at 90 degrees from the centerline of the wheel. I would however add keep the duolever/hossack front suspension and upgrade the shocks to full DDC with the ability to custom calibrate it to the rider.

I rode the S1000XR and was searching for a "comfy" mode in the suspension settings which it does not have, let's hope an updated k1300 will keep comfy mode whatever the suspension ends up being.

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I don't know what you mean by number 8 as my k1300s has valve stems that stick out at 90 degrees from the centerline of the wheel. I would however add keep the duolever/hossack front suspension and upgrade the shocks to full DDC with the ability to custom calibrate it to the rider.

If you have 90 degree valves CS then either they have been fitted by a tyre man or mine have been replaced with standard straights when it has had new tyres fitted by a previous owner.

Yep the duolever stays...people look at me weird when I tell them there is no front end dive whatsoever.....ESA as it stands is fine by me...... a 9 variant set up gives me more than enough to think about...total variability would just piss me off to be honest...each to their own though
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I think we each mean something different by 90 degree valve stems. So I'll be more clear. Most bikes have the valve stem pointing at the axel. So 90 degree valve stems would point out the side, perpendicular to the axel. My bike has valve stems that are perpendicular to the axel. I'm the original owner and it came that way and it's not an HP or any other special edition. I'll post a picture later. The stems are straight, but they stick out of the wheel perpendicular to the axel.
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Later model K13 bikes came with the valves pointing to the side of the wheel, so that using a 90 degree adapter is not necessary. My 2010 K13R had the valves pointing up, my 2015 K13S has them pointing sideways
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Rofl OK OK....my valve stems come out of the wheel rim and point at the axle, they do not describe an arc through 90 degrees thus point in parallel to the axle and to the outside of the rim...which is a pain on the front wheel, not so bad on the rear due to the single arm....so when I get the tyres replaced I will get 90 degree valves put on....unless they have the PDC transponders integral to the valves...anyone tell me this?

Sounds like they cured this on later bikes K13S...mine is an '09

Anyways I am NOT going to swap it until they announce my wish list has been included..at least the cruise (big ask) and the 2 way quickshifter both of which will require them to give it an electronic throttle.
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....so when I get the tyres replaced I will get 90 degree valves put on....unless they have the PDC transponders integral to the valves...anyone tell me this?

Sounds like they cured this on later bikes K13S...mine is an '09
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If you like 90 degrees valves you need another (half million dollars) rim , because the hub in mechanized on the rim.

No problem with the transponder because in both models are the same, Tork bolted inside the rim.

First rims with 90º valves are since finals of 2011
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If you like 90 degrees valves you need another (half million dollars) rim , because the hub in mechanized on the rim.

No problem with the transponder because in both models are the same, Tork bolted inside the rim.

First rims with 90º valves are since finals of 2011

Aha...interesting B thanks...I had a Triumph Sprint 1050 which I had 90 degree valves fitted at a tyre change, I assumed these were the same...damn....OK then strike No 8..... sounds like they have already sorted it...I will just have to faff around with my adaptor until I buy my new K13 replacement with cruise...2-way quickshifter...etc etc......zzzzzz
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First regarding the front suspension. I have a friend with whom I ride and he claims the front suspension doesn't handle for crap. To me it's at least as good as any I've ridden but I'm not a true knuckle dragger. He is a bit more of one than I am. I think that the S1000RR is made for that type of insanity myself but I'm fine with the front end that it came with. My friend rides a 2011 K1300S.

Second regarding the APS. Do they have batteries in them that need to be replaced at some point in time?
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First regarding the front suspension. I have a friend with whom I ride and he claims the front suspension doesn't handle for crap. To me it's at least as good as any I've ridden but I'm not a true knuckle dragger. He is a bit more of one than I am. I think that the S1000RR is made for that type of insanity myself but I'm fine with the front end that it came with. My friend rides a 2011 K1300S.

At race track speeds and aggressiveness the Duo-lever front suspension lacks certain 'feedback' to the pilot. But at real world speeds and less than perfect/uniform road surfaces it affords full and exceptionally compliant suspension travel while on the brakes as well as insulating the pilot from negative torsional forces against the front wheel.

Watch any rider (or group of riders) on heavy touring/cruiser bikes at low speed on shitty pavement needing to apply their front brakes. The softly sprung telescopic forks compress; subsequently changing wheel base and bikes handling as the cracks, pimples, pot holes etc push, bump and batter the front wheel against the pilots directional wishes. The Duo-lever neither dives nor changes its wheelbase during braking or suspension travel. And the mechanical advantage created by the 'links' between front wheel and handlebar nullify those forces that otherwise would "push, bump and batter" the front wheel against the pilots intended course.

The K1600 would be a 850lb 'Handful' rather than the confidence inspiring joy it is if it was equipped with telescopic forks sprung in the usual softness found in Touring bikes.
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I agree our suspension is good and can be made great for normal use.

As far as heavy bikes like the 1600's, I have yet to ride a BMW to rival the Gold Wing with the $2500 dollar Traxxion conversion. Try one if you can and you will see the old tech forks can be made to work incredibly well. Even the Wilbers set up pales in comparison.

I am guessing the money spent over the decades on tube shocks outweighs the superior base design of duo-lever.
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I was at SJBMW and they have two "2016" K1300s. Black and Motorsport versions.
The sales guy says they are just now getting their "allocation" figured out and are not able to order more right now, but may be able to order more later.

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This is a little disappointing. The S1000F is nothing like the K1300S. Why not just buy the Multistrada 1200 (which this looks remarkably similar)?
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This is a little disappointing. The S1000F is nothing like the K1300S. Why not just buy the Multistrada 1200 (which this looks remarkably similar)?
Never heard of an S1000F, however I'm sure it wouldn't be anywhere near as good as a K13 bike!
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Never heard of an S1000F

Before the launch of the S1000XR, newsletters talked about a "possible new model" S1000F, speculations, spy photos...

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Before the launch of the S1000XR, newsletters talked about a "possible new model" S1000F, speculations, spy photos...

http://www.visordown.com/motorcycle-...ook/25225.html

I'm thinking that was moto journalism over-eagerness. XR - F - ???
Or; I was told by a salesperson that a limited number of XRs with "low frames" was sent stateside. Maybe they're test cases for a "F" line with shorter legs.

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Dear BMW Motorrad USA Dealers,
The time will soon come when we will say goodbye to two faithful BMW models that have served our customers well. Both the K 1300 S and G 650 GS are in their final production runs. The last US build of the K 1300 S will occur this month with the end of the line coming for the G 650 GS in October. After this, there will be no more.
For those around long enough to remember, the G 650 GS started life as the F 650 Funduro and F 650 ST, BMW's first single cylinder motorcycle since the 1960's and first ever chain drive motorcycle. It earned a reputation as a bullet proof motorcycle and introduced many riders to the BMW family.
The K 1300 S started life in 2005 as the K 1200 S, the first BMW 4 cylinder of its kind and vastly different from the previous 4 cylinder motorcycles in purpose and presentation. This model ushered in a new era for BMW of lighter and more powerful motorcycles that continues to this day.
With the final production of the K 1300 S in transit across the Atlantic, we will be distributing available inventory via an On Ground Allocation based on current inventory and sales rates. If your dealership has earned one or more of these motorcycles, your area manager will be contacting you soon to inform you of available colors and content. Keep in mind, supply is obviously now limited and we encourage all dealers to not pass up the opportunity to take units while supply lasts.
When there is sufficient supply of the G 650 GS, a similar approach to distribution outside of the normal monthly production allocation is planned.
Both of these models have served us well and with the knowledge that supply will now be limited, we expect demand to remain strong.
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Dear BMW Motorrad USA Dealers,
The time will soon come when we will say goodbye to two faithful BMW models that have served our customers well. Both the K 1300 S and G 650 GS are in their final production runs. The last US build of the K 1300 S will occur this month with the end of the line coming for the G 650 GS in October. After this, there will be no more.
For those around long enough to remember, the G 650 GS started life as the F 650 Funduro and F 650 ST, BMW's first single cylinder motorcycle since the 1960's and first ever chain drive motorcycle. It earned a reputation as a bullet proof motorcycle and introduced many riders to the BMW family.
The K 1300 S started life in 2005 as the K 1200 S, the first BMW 4 cylinder of its kind and vastly different from the previous 4 cylinder motorcycles in purpose and presentation. This model ushered in a new era for BMW of lighter and more powerful motorcycles that continues to this day.
With the final production of the K 1300 S in transit across the Atlantic, we will be distributing available inventory via an On Ground Allocation based on current inventory and sales rates. If your dealership has earned one or more of these motorcycles, your area manager will be contacting you soon to inform you of available colors and content. Keep in mind, supply is obviously now limited and we encourage all dealers to not pass up the opportunity to take units while supply lasts.
When there is sufficient supply of the G 650 GS, a similar approach to distribution outside of the normal monthly production allocation is planned.
Both of these models have served us well and with the knowledge that supply will now be limited, we expect demand to remain strong.
Wishing you good selling,
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Does anyone have any other 'wants' that you'd like to see in a new version?

Since I'm new here, I will say that I love MY K1300S, however, if they adopted HD's kickstand somehow, you would not have to worry about a side kick stand at all.

I asked the dealer about a center stand was given a price to include installation, and then how horrible it would be to cut into the bottom and mount the UGLY stand on such a beautiful machine.

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Too late. This thread should now be closed. Time for the post mortum.

Side stand - Do the Beech grind. Install a stronger spring. Make or install a larger foot. Park sensibly. Make sure the stand is fully extended. Park in gear. Do not park on the side stand in neutral with the engine idling.
Not every K1300S has fallen off the side stand.

I believe someone with some fiberglass skill could make a fairing section that attaches to the center stand that would improve the situation.
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Since I'm new here, I will say that I love MY K1300S, however, if they adopted HD's kickstand somehow, you would not have to worry about a side kick stand at all.

I asked the dealer about a center stand was given a price to include installation, and then how horrible it would be to cut into the bottom and mount the UGLY stand on such a beautiful machine.

just my 10 cents

Got to hyjack my own comment. The bottom faring is marked internally as to where to cut. Easy with a small hacksaw blade or a jig saw on slow. You can not see this when looking at the bike. It was designed for either way. The stock stand kit is about $250 and well worth it. Several threads on the forum as to how to install the unit. Takes about 1.5 hours total and is a good thing.
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Please, someone play Taps while we all take our helmets off for a moment of silence

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Got to hyjack my own comment. The bottom faring is marked internally as to where to cut. Easy with a small hacksaw blade or a jig saw on slow. You can not see this when looking at the bike. It was designed for either way. The stock stand kit is about $250 and well worth it. Several threads on the forum as to how to install the unit. Takes about 1.5 hours total and is a good thing.

Thank you very much, it's funny the wife and I were just having coffee on the deck and this topic came up and she said, if its going to save the bike from the possibility of tipping over than look into it. I'm not the type to have the dealer do things all the time but since I do not have the tools for doing the cutting, I'd probably have them put it on.
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Since I'm new here, I will say that I love MY K1300S, however, if they adopted HD's kickstand somehow, you would not have to worry about a side kick stand at all.

I asked the dealer about a center stand was given a price to include installation, and then how horrible it would be to cut into the bottom and mount the UGLY stand on such a beautiful machine.

just my 10 cents
The stand blends in in the up position, does not interfere with ground clearance, and comes in handy for cleaning or parking or maintenance. Ugly centerstand?


p.s. Looks like we bought a 2015 just in time.
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The end of the show final moment for the K1300S/R is rolling out. BMW's French site does not feature the K1300S and K1300R, as well as the S1000RR HP4 and the G650GS anymore.

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No info on a replacement being developed with this engine?
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Now we can start new rumors. How's this:

2017 BMW K1400S(R) with a de-stroked version of the inline 6 from the K1600, same redline as the inline 4 of the K1300, but with 200 hp and 125 ft-lbs torque. All the latest electronics, including flyby wire throttle so it has cruise control. ESA3, which is the equivalent of the dynamic suspension on the S1000RR, but retains the shaft drive and the Duo-lever front suspension. Full, latest gen LED lighting, including headlights with adaptive beams to allow you so see further thru corners, while not blinding oncoming vehicles. Same weight, but with a 5.5 gallon(USA) tank to give approximately a 200 mile range before hitting reserve on the highway. Gearing changed to do 200 mph at redline, which will lower the typical cruising rpm for better fuel mileage. No or small price increase over outgoing K1300. Better factory luggage, more space and tucked in better with no funky shapes inside. Factory helmet locks.
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Now we can start new rumors. How's this:

2017 BMW K1400S(R) with a de-stroked version of the inline 6 from the K1600, same redline as the inline 4 of the K1300, but with 200 hp and 125 ft-lbs torque. All the latest electronics, including flyby wire throttle so it has cruise control. ESA3, which is the equivalent of the dynamic suspension on the S1000RR, but retains the shaft drive and the Duo-lever front suspension. Full, latest gen LED lighting, including headlights with adaptive beams to allow you so see further thru corners, while not blinding oncoming vehicles. Same weight, but with a 5.5 gallon(USA) tank to give approximately a 200 mile range before hitting reserve on the highway. Gearing changed to do 200 mph at redline, which will lower the typical cruising rpm for better fuel mileage. No or small price increase over outgoing K1300. Better factory luggage, more space and tucked in better with no funky shapes inside. Factory helmet locks.

From your mouth to BMW's ears. Add full shift assist up and down.
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Up and down shift assist with push button control using a solenoid to actuate the gear changes, which will also allow an automatic drive mode. Only use the clutch to start and stop moving.

How's that?
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maybe K 1400 S?
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Up and down shift assist with push button control using a solenoid to actuate the gear changes, which will also allow an automatic drive mode. Only use the clutch to start and stop moving.

How's that?
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I want a 7 or 8 speed gear box and higher gearing so it will cruise at 90 at a lower RPM. Paddle shifters like a 458 Ferrari if possible too.
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My belief is BMW is going to abandon the K-Series Sports-Touring segment. It is time to look at the new R1200RS or the buzzy S1000XR. By the way, the XRs are selling poorly and the US warehouse is full of them. Should be some good deals soon. The demand for the RS is high but not enough product in the production pipeline. The assembly line for the k1300s will be going to the new 1600 bagger.

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Why buy a buzzy little XR that is light and fidgety over a K bike. Not happening. 90% of the current K bikers won't go for it. I'll keep mine running or buy a second hand one. Major parts will be difficult to come by very quickly though.
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By the way, the XRs are selling poorly and the US warehouse is full of them. Should be some good deals soon.

The American alpha buyers are gonna be pissed at their over eagerness, and I hope the shareholders kick the marketing gurus squarely in their groins for such a hype campaign over a gilded lily.

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The demand for the RS is high but not enough product in the production pipeline.
Kinda explains the lofty prices they're asking I may well have paid it if BMW hadn't hobbled it with cheap to produce forks accented with costly to repair/replace electronic bulls**t

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If you mean the Concept 101 this is the first RIGHT decision they've made in years.

F**K ya' BMW. I'm keeping my 'Bebe'; the best bike you ever produced. But your shameless embracing of electronic glitz over practical mechanical ingenuity and serviceability beyond the warranty has sullied my long held faith.

I don't know what "service" I'll ultimately get from my new two wheeled acquisition; but at least its NOT just another "chain driven, transversely mounted in-line 4" .
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If they don't replace the K1300S, I will be moving on to another brand of bike for my next ride. It's asinine for BMW to think K-Bike riders are going to be loyal to the brand who discontinued their beloved model. Nothing else BMW makes can compare nor can anything they may try to make using the 1000cc engine. A K1000S would equal FAIL. BMW- I hope you have something up your sleeve.... If not, kiss this customer goodbye..
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If you mean the Concept 101 this is the first RIGHT decision they've made in years.

F**K ya' BMW. I'm keeping my 'Bebe'; the best bike you ever produced. But your shameless embracing of electronic glitz over practical mechanical ingenuity and serviceability beyond the warranty has sullied my long held faith.

I don't know what "service" I'll ultimately get from my new two wheeled acquisition; but at least its NOT just another "chain driven, transversely mounted in-line 4" .


Here is the "bagger"

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Yuck, I'll never get it(the idea) , trying to dress a high tech machine retro style. If you want to look retro, build it retro function too
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If they don't replace the K1300S, I will be moving on to another brand of bike for my next ride. It's asinine for BMW to think K-Bike riders are going to be loyal to the brand who discontinued their beloved model. Nothing else BMW makes can compare nor can anything they may try to make using the 1000cc engine. A K1000S would equal FAIL. BMW- I hope you have something up your sleeve.... If not, kiss this customer goodbye..

Things change, and then they change back. I started with an R90s, and then had a serious of RS models (R100RS, K100RS). THAT is the style and type of bike I like. Something between full sport and full touring, that is reasonably light (under 600 pounds), has actual wind protection, can carry two people on a cross-country trip without dying of pain, etc.

It used to be so simple - S was a small windshield, RS ('Rennsport') was a fuller, but sporty fairing, and RT was a full-boat touring setup. GT's have made an appearance here and there, and they sort of appeal to me too.

Now I have a K1300s, which seems like it should be an RS to me. My previous bike (still have it) is a 1985 K100RS I bought new. In the 30 years I've owned it, the nearly-naked sport-touring bikes morphed into big plastic monstrosities, and then back to good-looking sport tourers like the K1200/1300s models. BMW has tried chasing fashion, mostly unsuccessfully (remember the 1200C?), but they eventually get back to their roots. I like the R1200RS, though to me it should be called an S (windshield=S, sport fairing=RS). Perhaps the 1000XR will morph into an RS - but it needs a shaft drive.

Wait a few years and BMW will once again create something reasonably close to a K1300s replacement.
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Why buy a buzzy little XR that is light and fidgety over a K bike. Not happening. 90% of the current K bikers won't go for it. I'll keep mine running or buy a second hand one. Major parts will be difficult to come by very quickly though.

I've been curious about the XR since it came out. Would like to get a chance to ride one.

With a full warehouse of them, it sounds like there will most likely be good deals upcoming.

Checking weights I see the the K1300s and the s1000xr have a dry weight within 1lbs of each other. 503 for the k1300s and 502 for the XR.

My current 2006 K1200gt tips the scales at 620lbs dry weight..

I really wouldn't mind throwing around 120lbs less weight in the corners. That would be kinda fun I'm thinking.

Hate to see the end of the K1300. I sure hope they do fill this void with something special and keep it at this approximate weight. I'm not interested in another heavy bike.
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Old 09-24-2015, 02:10 AM
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Re: New K1300S replacement is in development!

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Things change, and then they change back. I started with an R90s, and then had a serious of RS models (R100RS, K100RS). THAT is the style and type of bike I like. Something between full sport and full touring, that is reasonably light (under 600 pounds), has actual wind protection, can carry two people on a cross-country trip without dying of pain, etc.

It used to be so simple - S was a small windshield, RS ('Rennsport') was a fuller, but sporty fairing, and RT was a full-boat touring setup. GT's have made an appearance here and there, and they sort of appeal to me too.

Now I have a K1300s, which seems like it should be an RS to me. My previous bike (still have it) is a 1985 K100RS I bought new. In the 30 years I've owned it, the nearly-naked sport-touring bikes morphed into big plastic monstrosities, and then back to good-looking sport tourers like the K1200/1300s models. BMW has tried chasing fashion, mostly unsuccessfully (remember the 1200C?), but they eventually get back to their roots. I like the R1200RS, though to me it should be called an S (windshield=S, sport fairing=RS). Perhaps the 1000XR will morph into an RS - but it needs a shaft drive.

Wait a few years and BMW will once again create something reasonably close to a K1300s replacement.

I hope your right.. And I have time to wait.. I bought my 2015 between Xmas and New Years at the end of 2014, and so far have put nearly 10k miles on her.. She is just starting to get broken in, and I foresee many tens of thousands more miles ahead before I am ready to consider adding a third bike to the stable. (Although I love the look of the Ducati Panigale 1299S, still, I'm in no rush)
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Re: New K1300S replacement is in development!

It is truly a mystery to me why K1300S is not more popular (and, hence, being discontinued by BMW)...

K1300S is my first BMW and is the ideal bike for what i want -- sport touring. There is nothing else quite comparable in the market. For sure, nothing else in the BMW lineup comes even remotely close as an alternative for me. For how I use it, I plan to enjoy my K1300S for many years to come. I hope BMW or someone else would come up with a decent alternative in the meantime.
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Re: New K1300S replacement is in development!

One observation. If you pick up various magazines targeting young adventurous individuals and cycle magazines, you will see various sport-touring cycles advertised appealing to the performance oriented. In some fashion articles and advertisements, you will see various sport cycles posed with male or female models. How many ads have you seen with a BMW K1300S? When I tell most people that I have a BMW K1300S, they envision a boxer engine bike. When I park, I get a lot of compliments on the bike and many times the remark, "That's a BMW? I never knew they made a cycle like that." You must create demand to sell cycles. BMW doesn't seem interested in this market segment.

Lincoln-Mercury made the same error with a car they imported from Europe which they called the Merkur. The only place you would see it advertised was in magazines like Golf. It was a good car especially the turbo XR-4TI, but it died in a couple of years.

Just another observation for what it is worth.
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Re: New K1300S replacement is in development!

WPV has it summed up pretty well, I will add that the K1300s is great in many categories, master of none.
Traditional BMW rider will not want it, they want the boxer 1200RT
Speed demon tourer will want the Kawasaki Concours 14
More traditional riders want sliding forks and, luckily, the Multistrada also has better electronics and luggage capacity.

Why do I have the K1300s? Once I got the front suspension sorted out there is no equal, it's almost fast enough in stock form, all the kids at the local college have Ducati's.
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