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Old 08-15-2014, 06:18 AM
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Rear Brake Use

Hey guys, saw a bit of discussion in another thread regarding rear brake use, and thought I would throw the question out there, do you use the rear brake a lot.
I use both brakes but tend to use the rear a lot. I'm going through rear brake pads and rotors at least twice as much as fronts on my previous motorbikes.
I also do a lot of commuting and favour the rear brake through the traffic as well.
I will be interested to here some views of others.

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Re: Rear Brake Use

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Hey guys, saw a bit of discussion in another thread regarding rear brake use...
I use the rear brake almost never. Since teh front is linked to the rear I let the computer do its thing. I do use the rear when making a tight low speed turn, but that's about it.
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Re: Rear Brake Use

Good one Mat



Only to brake at stops when I keep my left foot on the floor, linked brakes rocks !

I've checked in spirit riding, as example fast cornering rear brake works perfect, specially when the rear tyre raises the floor in a hard braking and ABS does its best job.

Using only the rear brake is almost unuseful, has no braking power, is only to help the front brake, and the best way is by electronics, faster than my brain.

As a comment, my dealer technician told me is a common issue to keep the feet on the rear lever because inadvertently the rider push down the lever, wearing out prematurely the brake pads
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Re: Rear Brake Use

I do NOT have the linked brakes on my 06...(or maybe it's the servo I don't have) and I use the rear brake a lot on this bike.. but not with a lot of force...Mostly as a stabilizing effect when coming to a stop and occasional trail braking. I've changed the front pads at 25K.. still on the original rear pads at 32K and there's still some meat left ..
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Re: Rear Brake Use

The rear brake is your friend for slowing or stopping in gravel or sand. Excellent for keeping stable in stop & go rush hour traffic, allowing the right hand a break.
Yes, it also allows trail braking through corners where one's throttle hand might not allow enough of a delicate touch (or when following DYL-Jim thru the dragon! )

I sure as hell wouldn't want to rely on it for hard braking or scrubbing off speed when that radar detector goes off. I value life & license too much for that type of folly.
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I do NOT have the linked brakes on my 06....

Are you sure about that.

They went with the Teves on the 06 on (no servo) but as far as I know, they've never sold a non-liked K bike. Front lever-both. Rear lever-rear only.
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No braking technique discussion for me but I will say that I NEVER use the back brake on my MTS. It's a waste of time and effort. Great placebo though...
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No I'm not sure... but that's what I was told when I bought the bike...(and you know dealers are never worng) .. and the rear pad looks almost new... I would assume if they were linked the rear would wear similarly to the front?? Wouldn't be the first time I was wrong.. As I recall.. I was wrong once back in 1988, I think..

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They went with the Teves on the 06 on (no servo) but as far as I know, they've never sold a non-liked K bike. Front lever-both. Rear lever-rear only.
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. I would assume if they were linked the rear would wear similarly to the front?? Wouldn't be the first time I was wrong.. As I recall.. I was wrong once back in 1988, I think..

No, I think you're wrong about that. You weren't wrong back in 1988...

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Re: Rear Brake Use

I use the rear brake only in several situations. I use it the most when I need/want a little trail braking on corners. It is light enough (as compared to the front brakes) to not signficantly upset the dynamics of the cornering yet still control/scrub-off a little speed. I also tend to use it on a very soft surface. I use the rear pedal in conjunction with the front lever when making an all-out stop. I am not sure that it really makes a difference since the system is abs and integrated, but it is an old habit from riding bikes with non-integrated, non-abs systems. In fact, I still ride such a low tech bike and don't want to lose those habits that can come in handy. All of that being said, the vast majority of my braking is using the front lever and relying on the integrated abs system to do its thing.

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I was taught early on that the front brake generates 70% or more of your stopping power on a motorcycle and have trained myself to use the front brake almost exclusively when riding on the street. Nevertheless on my '02 RS the rear brake is used anytime I use the front brake and I've found the rear pads wear much more quickly than do the front pads. After my last brake pad replacement I've learned to keep a close eye on rear pad wear, as I came very close to ruining the rear rotor without realizing that the rear brake pads were shot. Pictures say at least 1,000 words,

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No I'm not sure...

Quite easy to check...

Just touch the rear lever with your feet when you ride and use a bit hard the front lever, if you feel the rear lever goes down by itself, you have linked brakes
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Re: Rear Brake Use

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Hey guys, saw a bit of discussion in another thread regarding rear brake use, and thought I would throw the question out there, do you use the rear brake a lot.
I use both brakes but tend to use the rear a lot. I'm going through rear brake pads and rotors at least twice as much as fronts on my previous motorbikes.
I also do a lot of commuting and favour the rear brake through the traffic as well.
I will be interested to here some views of others.

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Urban/commuter type riding simply eats rear brakes. Back in my livery service days I'd go through 2 to 4 sets of rear pads for every 1 set up front(depending on the motorcycle).

The combination of the Hossack front suspension, ABS, and the exceptional ease of my 06's servo assisted brakes it has now nearly equaled the wear ratio of front & rear brakes.
With the Hossack's front suspension barely diving due to weight transfer,
and NO variations of 'wheel-base' upsetting the steering and handling I'm using the front brakes more often as well as harder than ever comfortably/safely possible before.

With conventional telescopic forks; using your front brakes while 'sifting' through LA street traffic or "splitting" lanes on the freeway was problematic at best. Ergo the rear brakes took a beating. The Hossack suspension simply doesn't suffer from the blatant flaws of "telescopic" forks making the infinity more effective front brakes more usable in more circumstances.
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I took a set of pads to my mechanic when he put on my new shoes about 1,000 miles ago, and he said my brakes look new...13,5XX miles, never, ever use the rear...don't ride that bike on gravel, don't know how to trail brake, only try and use the brakes when I hit stop lights.
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Hey guys, saw a bit of discussion in another thread regarding rear brake use, and thought I would throw the question out there, do you use the rear brake a lot.
I use both brakes but tend to use the rear a lot. I'm going through rear brake pads and rotors at least twice as much as fronts on my previous motorbikes.
I also do a lot of commuting and favour the rear brake through the traffic as well.
I will be interested to here some views of others.

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I am like you Mat. I use mine all the time, a lot more in stop and go traffic, on gravel and sand and in parking lots at slow speeds where the front can be unsettling or grabby. It is there for a reason. At speed I tend to rely on the front a lot more.
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Ironic this thread appearing I'll digress

Before I bought my K spent over a year trying to track down a post 07 with neither ABS or ESA,was told there was no demand and believed them!!! only to find any second hand one that came on the market got snapped within days!!!.

Had a conversation with a mate who also owns a K only last week about the rear brake,I use mine a lot for all the reasons already mentioned,loose surface filtering in traffic and most important coming out of a corner it's how you stand the bike up!!.

As soon as I start to lean on my rear brake it feels like the ABS has kicked in the brake pedal drops feels like 12"!!! but probably only a couple of mil,after that it firms up by which time it's to late,with linked brakes feels like you end up with a generic style of riding when being on a bike is anything but.
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I do NOT have the linked brakes on my 06...(or maybe it's the servo I don't have) and I use the rear brake a lot on this bike.. but not with a lot of force...Mostly as a stabilizing effect when coming to a stop and occasional trail braking. I've changed the front pads at 25K.. still on the original rear pads at 32K and there's still some meat left ..
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[IMG]file:///F:/Datas/Reprom/BMW-Motorrad/SYMB/KG/MODELLE/00/achtung.gif[/IMG] AttentionThe front brake lever also applies the rear brakes (integral brakes). Once the brake calipers and brake pads have been removed, operating a brake lever could result in the pistons being pushed out.
Install the brake caliper with brake pads or insert the piston resetting device.







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Hi Kiwimat

I was taught to apply the rear break a split second before the front so it sat the rear and you achieved optimum breaking, however with the linked brakes I've become a tad lazy! Now days I just use the rear for slow speed maneuvering or getting a smooth throttle application on corner exits. In terms of how much the rear plays in stopping your bike, just watch some motorcycle racing and see how often the rear is on the ground when breaking for a corner.... Anyway, do an advanced riding course and they'll get your braking sorted and explain it better.

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just watch some motorcycle racing and see how often the rear is on the ground when breaking for a corner.... Anyway, do an advanced riding course and they'll get your braking sorted and explain it better.

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A back wheel up the air will have a dam sight more to do with how the electronics man has set up the software rather than any use the rear brake gets,with the exception of Nicky Hayden because in years past he's had a front disc put on the rear wheel.

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Rear breaker here. I only use the front when I need to stop rapidly or comming into a corner with more speed than the rear can handle or the last few metres before comming to a stop at lights etc.

It's hard to have full control when one hand is trying to brake and have some throttle control at the same time. I like to setup before I come to a corner and accelerate through rather than the heavy braking sharp turning and heavy acceleration that I see a lot of.

Trying to go fast on an underpowered bike is the best way to learn how to brake. You have to be smooth and use the motor to wash off speed.
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Thanks for all the great feedback guys. This has turned out to be a great thread.
It's easy to see why a rear breaker like me may not have known that the bike has linked brakes, had some suspicions when I felt the rear pedal drop a few times under heavier breaking and wondered what the hell the ABS was doing... That explains it.....
Oh... I mean, of course I knew my brakes were linked.....18 months later.

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It's easy to see why a rear breaker like me ....that explains it.....
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Thanks for all the great feedback guys. This has turned out to be a great thread.
It's easy to see why a rear breaker like me may not have known that the bike has linked brakes, had some suspicions when I felt the rear pedal drop a few times under heavier breaking and wondered what the hell the ABS was doing... That explains it.....
Oh... I mean, of course I knew my brakes were linked.....18 months later.

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Even now all these years on remember test riding a Blackbird when they first came out,dived into a corner half way round on hard the back brake to stand the bike not realising the it had linked brakes and when you use the BB rear brake you get a lot more front bias than on the K god knows how we never fell off

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Hey guys, saw a bit of discussion in another thread regarding rear brake use, and thought I would throw the question out there, do you use the rear brake a lot.
I use both brakes but tend to use the rear a lot. I'm going through rear brake pads and rotors at least twice as much as fronts on my previous motorbikes.
I also do a lot of commuting and favour the rear brake through the traffic as well.
I will be interested to here some views of others.

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My 2 cents on the topic, I use the front mainly and the rear for stop signs, lights and slow manoeuvering, not sure I wrote this one right.

To be perfectly honest, I was not aware that the front was linked to the rear.
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My 2 cents on the topic, I use the front mainly and the rear for stop signs, lights and slow manoeuvering, not sure I wrote this one right.

To be perfectly honest, I was not aware that the front was linked to the rear.

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Your motorcycle is equipped with partially integral brakes. Both front and rear brakes are applied when you pull the handbrake lever. The footbrake lever acts only on the rear brake.
While the brakes are slowing the motorcycle, the BMW Motorrad Integral ABS adapts braking-force distribution between front and rear brakes to suit the load on the motorcycle.

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Thanks Jean.

Was thinking about this on the ride in this morning ? Does ABS come into play over a certain speed or is it always on ?
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Does ABS come into play over a certain speed or is it always on ?

You need to ride few meters for the self check until the red light goes off, then is always connected, except if you manually switch it off from the switchgear
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I do NOT have the linked brakes on my 06...(or maybe it's the servo I don't have) and I use the rear brake a lot on this bike.. but not with a lot of force...Mostly as a stabilizing effect when coming to a stop and occasional trail braking. I've changed the front pads at 25K.. still on the original rear pads at 32K and there's still some meat left ..

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The rear brake is your friend for slowing or stopping in gravel or sand. Excellent for keeping stable in stop & go rush hour traffic, allowing the right hand a break.
Yes, it also allows trail braking through corners where one's throttle hand might not allow enough of a delicate touch (or when following DYL-Jim thru the dragon! )

I sure as hell wouldn't want to rely on it for hard braking or scrubbing off speed when that radar detector goes off. I value life & license too much for that type of folly.


My thoughts as well. FYI the owners manual for my 06 K1200S says the brakes ARE linked. So there is no such thing for using only the front brake, on this bike at least.
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Great response guys, I should have added a poll....
How many knew they had linked brakes........
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I knew they were linked hence the amount of effort I put in trying avoid them it won't happen again
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I don't have linked brakes. No ABS or ASC for me. No way! Its just a bare boned, old school "you ride it" type of bike ... just the way I like it
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I know, Chris

Bernie, no I won't because back in 2010 I demo'ed a fully-optioned K1300R for a week and absolutely hated it, then two years later I test ride my bike (without all the "fruit"), and love it - for me there really is a big difference.
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I know, Chris

Bernie, no I won't because back in 2010 I demo'ed a fully-optioned K1300R for a week and absolutely hated it, then two years later I test ride my bike (without all the "fruit"), and love it - for me there really is a big difference.

The irony for me having disappeared up my own backside trying to find a good one,the ones I did find(that hadn't sold straight away) boy had they been ridden hard!!! gave up bought mine and F me two weeks later a K sport with nothing on it came up for sale 15 miles away from were I live.

What bugs me with my K I'm not in control the bike is,I've had to learn to ride it around those parameter's probably why I use it as little as I do.
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Depending on the road, 50/50 use
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I use the rear brake always during slow maneuvers. 98' ABS Not linked. I have not
Spent enough time on a bike with linked system so, no opinion there! Very fond of ABS though!
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I ride with two fingers on the front brake lever when in traffic and ALWAYS use the front brake first . The rear brake is a follow-up when slowing just because my toe is not normally on the brake lever.

I use the rear for trail braking into corners when trying to keep the suspension loaded. At times both front and rear brakes are used in a corner when I may have over-cooked it.

Two weeks ago, riding the new R1200GS, had twenty bike lengths doing about 40 mph following three cars. We approached a bridge where everyone slows for no reason at all. I saw their brake lights come on, kept my spacing and looked in the mirror so I wouldn't become bug splatter on a bumper. Back to the taillights and wam-bam they had all stopped!

I pulled the front brake lever harder then anytime in my life, squeezing the crap out of the finger that was still on the grip. I was done for, then the ABS kicked into "Life Saving Mode". My toe nailed the rear brake hard, but the ABS was already there and the machine stopped with a very short bike length to spare. Braking action was strong and the deceleration was huge! I saw an escape route, but the bike's feedback told me to stay on the binders. Besides, I probably would have bounced off a few things had I tried to change direction. All-in-all a fast few seconds. ( dumbass)

I am now a total believer regarding ABS, BMW and the kid who put the bike together at BOB's BMW. That was my first ever tailgate close-up and stopping a bike with 70 miles on new brakes.
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After some spirited overtaking yesterday, as I tucked back into traffic I felt the rear ABS kick in for the 1st time while only using the front brake lever... an odd feeling but the front stayed rock solid & it didn't feel like I was never going to stop as it does when the front ABS kicks in... guess I'll get used to it as we head towards the slippery roads of autumn & winter, because I have no control over how much pressure is apportioned to the rear brake when I squeeze the front lever... I take account of the surface conditions... integral brakes don't but if they work then I'm not complaining.

I use the rear brake a lot for tightening up corners & scrubbing off speed late into a bend so I'm used to going through rear pads even quicker than fronts.
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Part of the reason for faster rear pad wear is simply that BMW has for years used organic material in their pads and sintered metal front, organic is softer therefore wears faster.
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With the Hossack's front suspension barely diving due to weight transfer,.......

It barely dives because of the better geometry of the Hossack front end, NOT because weight transfer is eliminated.

Weight transfer is still there, which is why use of the rear brake in hard stops is essentially pointless, since weight transfer throws most of the weight onto the front. It's just that the Hossack front end doesn't dive anywhere near as much under weight transfer.
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I rely on the rear brake exclusively when doing low speed maneuvers, full-lock turns and figure eights. I learned that technique from the book "Maximum Control: Mastering Your Heavyweight Bike." It was written by motorcycle cop who shared the training exercises they learned to control their patrol bikes.

However, when I'm just riding, I mostly rely on engine braking or the front brake. I always apply the rear brake lightly just before coming to a stop, but with linked brakes, that's probably not necessary. The book says you should come to a stop with the rear brake, hold it, while your left foot is on the ground.

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I've always used both brakes and didnt realise about the linked brakes until I read this thread. I promply put my bike on the centre stand, started up and put it into gear and
got the rear wheel spinning .... I braked using only the front brake lever and nothing happened to the rear wheel!!!! so I wander if the bike has linked brakes, its a k1200GT 2008.
Reading on, I wander if the brake light has to go off after travelling a few feet before the system works!!
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I've always used both brakes and didnt realise about the linked brakes until I read this thread. I promply put my bike on the centre stand, started up and put it into gear and
got the rear wheel spinning .... I braked using only the front brake lever and nothing happened to the rear wheel!!!! so I wander if the bike has linked brakes, its a k1200GT 2008.
Reading on, I wander if the brake light has to go off after travelling a few feet before the system works!!

I believe the rear brake is set at 20% of what is being fed to the front in the "linked" system. If the front wheel isn't turning who knows what the system is set to do? All I know is all I consciously use the rear brake for is the occasional "trail-braking" in the twisties.
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I've always used both brakes and didnt realise about the linked brakes until I read this thread. I promply put my bike on the centre stand, started up and put it into gear and
got the rear wheel spinning .... I braked using only the front brake lever and nothing happened to the rear wheel!!!! so I wander if the bike has linked brakes, its a k1200GT 2008.
Reading on, I wander if the brake light has to go off after travelling a few feet before the system works!!
Do the same test on a cold bike for a few seconds then stop the engine... then carefully touch the rear brake disk with the level of caution you would give to an iron of unknown temperature... if it is in any way warm the link is permanent (as it suggests in my manual). It is possible to do a burnout with linked brakes but you'll knacker the rear brake up (as well as your rear tyre of course).
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Good Morning,

When riding the K1200RS, linked brakes, I use both brakes. On my old K100RS I use most of the times only the front brakes, when I need more stopping power I will also use the rear brake.

When I play with the little Ducati, I only use my front brakes, it 's got enough stopping power. It's equipped with two disks. Have n't used the rear brake yet
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Brakes? I don't need no stinking brakes... got no time to stop!

In the past, I thought ABS was for newbies with too much bike. That is until I performed the most epic use of front brake lever action in 3 seconds of pure WTF! I felt and sensed more in that 3 seconds than in the last 50 years of motorcycle riding. If you grab a handful of front brake lever and the bike tracks straight and it feels like your ass tossed out a boat anchor... your brakes are connected! Now it's ABS or nothin' for me. Learn to use and trust the front brake, especially with dual rotors. Premature rear brake wear may be a result of rider technique.

There are a lot of good replies in this Thread. Should you have any question about your brake system, don't mess around, get it fixed. I like competition racing pads when replacing worn stuff, less mileage, better performance. I remember my old Honda 160, I don't remember if it came with brakes. Back then it was "No guts - no glory."

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This reminds me when journalists told W.O. Bentley that their cars had poor brakes, he answered I make cars to accelerate, not for to brake


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Generally speaking I use the front brake 90% to stop (probably why I cup my front tire prematurely) and feather the rear brake along with engine braking. In a panic stop I'm stomping on the rear brake and a death grip on the front.
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Using either front or rear brakes when playing in the corners, or for special events, like gravel, corners, ice, parking lots, cool. Where I see a problem is we tend to do what we practice, hence pro athlete, LEO, military training. I read a study of the odds of severe or fatal injuries based on speed.5mph makes a big difference.Even with linked brakes doesn't using both brakes make a difference? I can't find any info say it doesn't. So based on that I use both brakes as often as possible, parking lots, low speed, open empty highways. Why? Because when that deer, blue haired old lady,or drunk pulls out in front of me I want all the stopping force I can get. I do not want to have to think about what handle to pull, but rely on hours of training and habit. Some of us have the refined skills to make that call in an emergency, I'm not willing to bet on it. We pick an 500 dollar helmet over a 200 dollar one in hopes it gives a small margin of safety, but get lax on our braking skills. I am not the best or safest rider out there,so I need all the help I can get. I often find a deserted stretch of hwy and practice panic stops from whatever speed I may ride. Those with track time have these skills, the rest of us, maybe not. Bikes do weird things under panic stop at 120 that they do not do at 40. Bad time to learn this is when a 600 lb elk is doing his Fred Astaire imitation in your headlights. Does anyone have a study of braking comparing only one linked brake to using both?
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I have now done 47,000km on my K1300R and gone through 3 sets of rear pads and have now chewed out the rear disc. I had been replacing the rear pads with the genuine BMW pads.
Had the bike serviced on Thursday, got them to fit a new rear disc and pads while they were at it. I got a Brembro disc, bolts and 2 sets of pads from UK. Total price for all that, delivered to Australia (in 5 working days!!) was $217. The rear brembo disc was £67 which is $115 AUD/$88USD. Go to Motorworks site in the UK if your interested.
I was also almost down to bare metal on the front pads, so they got replaced too, that's 47,000km for a set of front pads.
The bike feels amazing with fresh pads all round.
If you havnt read the whole thread, yes I mostly use the rear brake.

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I have now done 47,000km on my K1300R and gone through 3 sets of rear pads and have now chewed out the rear disc. I had been replacing the rear pads with the genuine BMW pads.
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If you havnt read the whole thread, yes I mostly use the rear brake.
Well, I guess that would explain why I replaced my OE front pads at 26,000 miles (they should have been replaced earlier), but at 29,000 miles my OE rear pads are less than half worn.
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About 15 to 20000 miles for the rear pads and 35 to 40000 for front pads has been a constant for me for years using sintered EBCs.
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Like some have posted, I virtually never touch the rear brake with the linked brakes... by itself, it has very little stopping power. I must have a very different riding style than many... at 66K miles on my K13S, my dealer said I still had 80% original pad life remaining on the rear, and 65% on the front. Recently, with 70K miles the fronts began to wear unevenly, so I had the calipers rebuilt and installed Carbone Lorraine sintered metal pads.

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