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View Poll Results: Crash Poll!! Do You Feel Lucky, Punk?
I've crashed while moving multiple times. I can take it! 245 40.83%
I've crashed while moving only once. 149 24.83%
I've had multiple ZERO mph drops. 67 11.17%
I've had only 1 ZERO mph drop. 81 13.50%
No drops.. no crashes.. but I'm waaaaay over due. 31 5.17%
I'm too lucky, too pretty in my rose colored glasses.. Not gonna happen! 9 1.50%
NO crashes AND low lifetime mileage. 18 3.00%
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Old 01-14-2007, 01:16 PM
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Re: Crash Poll!! Do You Feel Lucky, Punk?

I know it has been said over and over, but, protective gear only makes sense. Both times that I have been down on the street involved gravel and both times there was gravel imbedded in my gear and NOT my body! I still broke some ribs and my colar bone, but absoltuely no road rash!

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Old 01-16-2007, 11:12 PM
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Re: Crash Poll!! Do You Feel Lucky, Punk?

Been down three times while moving. Two on the street and once on the track. Uninjured each time due to wearing proper safety gear. Just a few bruises which I dont really count as injury. The bikes were not so lucky. Did do serious damage to my wallet.
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Old 01-18-2007, 05:26 PM
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Re: Crash Poll!! Do You Feel Lucky, Punk?

My first was in 1960 on my Cushman Eagle, old lady did the left turn in front of me. I slid it sideways and hit the r/r quarter panel on the tank and gave her a good dent with my scooter and my leg.

On 101 north in San Jose in the commute, 1987, was just going to split the lane when a van rear-ended me, pushed me over the bars and into the next lane and a big truck caught my R100RS and was dragging it to me as I slid on my back on the zipper (lane hash marks w/"dots"). I stopped and the truck kept coming with my bike between the rear tandems, stopped 'bout 5' from hitting me. Ruined a great leather jacket, they had to cut it off me, and a near new helmet. Oh, the bike, total loss, Chris Hodgson bought it on salvage. Got to the hospital, just brusied and a couple of cuts and my right hand swollen up like a grapefruit.

2004 on Mt. Hamilton Rd. very techinical road as well as rough, made a little left at maybe 20mph, next thing I know I'm in the gravel, over the bars, knocked out, and yeah, right hand swollen like a grapefruit. Left thigh swollen like a cantelope. I still don't know what happened that day to learn that lesson.

Those are the ones that stand out. There have been a few other that were "minor", gravel on the turn low side sort of stuff.

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Re: Crash Poll!! Do You Feel Lucky, Punk?

I ride daily, during the commute hours, and on weekends as well...like most of you, probably.... In the last 2 1/2 years(36k miles), I've had a couple of stupid low/no speed drops and one real crash--in the end my fault, although only from a lack of defensiveness. I guess it doesn't matter who's at fault, if you end up with either you or your bike injured. I've added some paranoia, especially when I start to feel confident.

Like the slave who kept the Roman Emperor company in the chariot, reminding the emperor that he is mortal as well.
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Old 01-26-2007, 02:29 AM
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Re: Crash Poll!! Do You Feel Lucky, Punk?

Great thread...It's just a matter of time...those that will versus those that have crashed.

Hopefully the severity of the impending crash will be minimal to both bike and rider.

The first time I went down was the first time I rode, which was about 37 years ago at age 8...ran into the side of our neighbors barn on a Honda Trail 70. Since then only one moving accident, a scary rush hour incident (semi in front of me suddenly came to a stop, and my bike slid under it after I was forced to toss it...my fault...following too closely) in 1994 on a ride from my home in WY to Atlanta as I was passing through Baton Rouge, LA. Thanks to good equipment I came out with just minor scrapes, my bike (94 Kawasaki ZX-11) also escaped with only minor injuries, was still ridable (just didn't look that great) and was able to complete a very memorable 5800 mile vacation. I've also had one 0 MPH incident, side stand on my 00 Fatboy sank in hot asphalt as I was paying for my gas in Barstow, CA., fortunately there was no damage.

My wife is a fairly new rider, and I've told her...sooner or later it will happen, hopefully it will be a slow speed maneuver or less, I will not yell at you when it happens, instead I'll comfort you...because I've been there.
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Re: Crash Poll!! Do You Feel Lucky, Punk?

There are two kinds of riders:

1) Those who have not crashed yet.

2) Those who have crashed and will crash again.

None of this B.S. about you get "one" crash.

Oh and dirt bike crashes don't count, if you haven't gone down on your dirt bike then you aren't riding it.
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Re: Crash Poll!! Do You Feel Lucky, Punk?

I have "lost it" a few times. The classic low side in all cases. Twice due to crap on the pavement. Another time or two due to crap draggin on the bike and levering the rear wheel off the ground.

To me, a crash is hitting something while moving at a high rate of speed.
I have crashed a race car a few times, but not a motorcycle.

When speaking of motorcycles, I feel I could loose it and get away with it, but I think a crash will hurt.

A lot.
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Old 02-01-2007, 10:24 PM
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Re: Crash Poll!! Do You Feel Lucky, Punk?

I have been riding for twenty years, never been down once, never dropped a bike in a parking lot. But I haven't really owned any large heavy bikes in my years of riding. I have owned an '86 Ninja 600,
'88 RZ350 (lot of fun), '93 GSXR1100 and a '01 GSXR1000 which I am currently riding.
None of these bikes were of an unmanageable size. I have ridden a friends K1200RS
and thought it was large and heavy, especially for manoevering at low speeds, I could see it possible to drop a bike with a lot of weight, especially if one wasn't used to it.
Of course once a bike is up to speed the weight becomes less a factor.
You are now usually at the mercy of the other drivers on the road, ie:cagers, unless you are a psychopath yourself, ie:squid, then they are at your mercy. I tend to ride with the mindset that all other drivers on the road are asleep at the wheel or drunk or incapacitated in some way. Don't "trust" the thought that the other guy will follow the rules of the road automatically, because nine times out of ten they will not.
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I have been hit from behind twice by the woman I was riding with. I no longer ride with the first woman and the other is my wife. Believe me we have disected what each of us did wrong to the nth degree. I had my first bike get away from me when I was learning to ride because no one told me about making u-turns on a highly crowned road. Big weight transfer when the bike crosses the crown. Coming up on 200k miles and no other drops or get offs. I do believe a person could go through their riding life without a crash but admit it would take a huge helping of luck. The reason I say luck is regardless of how good a rider one may be one cannot control other vehicles and animals. As an example on Va 43 on our way to BRPR at Peaks of Otter I spot a deer on right shoulder as I come around a curve. I slow way down and move left. My eyes are on the deer on the right. There was another one on the left laying down in the grass. It jumps up, runs parallel with me but faster then cuts accross in front of me. The deer could have just as easily run straight into me, hence luck.
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Old 02-05-2007, 08:50 AM
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Re: Crash Poll!! Do You Feel Lucky, Punk?

I've had a few funnies - cause I didn't bleed or break too much:

1. Mini bike in the backyard, first ride, no idea where the brake was...just the throttle (similar situation now but I have a better idea of the brake) bounced off our fence to the hilarity of my watching mates.

2. Lots of ungraceful flying through the air on bush tracks etc.; but, riding home from a dirt race my brain exploded and I took a car on the inside of a curve which he then proceeded to hug which catapulted me off. I discovered what a kneecap looked like and how painful it is to ride to hospital standing on the left peg airing my exposed right knee. This was my worst road spill.

3. Arrived home after night class in the middle of winter, it was sleeting and I was frozen. Garage door was closed, I jumped off my Ducati Monster (pride and joy), reached the front door and turned around to watch the Duc lay down on its left side. Reaction = mixture of laughter and tears..both for my own stupidity.

4. This past Sunday. The 6th day of K-S BB ownership. Having reached the end of a magnificently fast, exhilarating mountain blast I did a u-turn (no not yet), faced downhill and wanting to take in the view, put the side-stand down and alighted from my magnificent wingless flying beast.....only to see it roll gracefully forward and fall toward the left and a 200m drop to the bottom. Ladies and gentlemen...my body is a landing place for K-S's.
Having quickly wedged myself under the bike and taken the weight I took a moment to consider what to do next. The farmer and his wife, whom I had passed at speed some time earlier, pulled up and slowly took in the scene of a black leather clad, yellow helmeted idiot (with a death grip on his beloved black and yellow K-S) who then uttered a weightlifters gutteral growl and dead lifted his bike upright.
The laconic farmer looked at me and said..that's impressive mate, bloody fast and you can lift heavy things..

Faaaarrk!!! So glad I still had my helmet on
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Just one in 100,00 miles, a deer ran out in front of me. Totalled the K12, smashed my left thumb, right shoulder and nine ribs plus a puctured lung for good measuer mate!

Nough said!

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I've crashed, and it sucks every time. At my wedding, the little groom on the cake had a cast painted on his leg. I had a real one and walked down the aisle on crutches. Had to cut open my tuxedo pants and sew them back on me.
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There are actually three types of riders.
1. Those who have crashed.
2. Those who have not crashed yet but will.
3. Those who have crashed and will crash again.

I hope that I'm finally in category 1 because I've been in category 3 several times.
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Re: Crash Poll!! Do You Feel Lucky, Punk?

crashing can usually be a great opportunity
to learn a big lesson

that results in a better & wiser
experienced rider

dropping a bike has nothing to do with
expertise or skill
usually a direct result of dumb luck

embarrasing faux pas
are obviously self explanatory
usually are direct result of
azzn around

the 1st 2 incidents go with
the inherent risk & the experience
& most can relate to similar incidents
no less
most will attempt to keep them at a minimum

while azzn around is its own reward....
its extremely hard to give good advice
even harder for it to be taken seriously

no less its impossible
that the unfortunate individual.....to sound wise

we all will experience the first 2
infrequently.....& dodge those bullets many times
some shared info will go a long ways
& we all will ride longer & further
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There are actually three types of riders.
1. Those who have crashed.
2. Those who have not crashed yet but will.
3. Those who have crashed and will crash again.

I hope that I'm finally in category 1 because I've been in category 3 several times.

Is there a fourth category:
4. Those who have never crashed?

There has to be somebody.

4 for me:

Toronto. Raining. Cab cut me off, hit the brakes with the front tire on a street car track, went down like it was goin' outta style. Saw the tails lights of the cab as it drove away. Rode away from that one with dirty white pants and a broken clutch. Have not ridden in the rain since, and will never ride in the rain again.

Passed a slow movin' car on the sidewalk side only to find her turning in to me. Hit the gas and found I was on a HUGE oil slick. Bike went down on the right side. Scratches, a bent brake pedal and brake handle. $750.00.

Screwing around in my garage at about 0.5 miles an hour. With the handle bars cracked hard to the left, I taped the brakes on my K. The bike stopped and then started going backwards just enough to lose the center. Fought all the way to the ground and layed it down VERY lightly. Small cosmetic scratch (still there) on the fairing and twisted the brake handle while I was picking it back up.

I have a wheel lock with an alarm in it. The batteries ran out and the alarm didn't go off when I started the bike. Forgot about it and went forward slowly. Bike stalled, fell on the right with me fighting all the way. Bent brake pedal. (Still bent).

Most important related moment:

I was racing an M3 Beemer up the 110 toward Pasadena. He was ahead of me and slammed his brakes going into a corner. I hit the brakes and the bike totally straightened up. I crossed three lanes of traffic and narrowly missed this rusty old beater (amazing what you remember from these things). Drifted onto the exit ramp, steered back across the shoulder and back onto the highway, all of this at 90 MPH. Caught up with the M3, passed him at about 110 and left him looking like a little piece of fly sh*t in my rear view mirror. Topped out at about 130. Got to my buddy's place and made a mental note to never race anybody again, and I haven't. I'll shut down cars out of the light, but I don't race past one city block and I don't race other bikes period 'cause it gets too fast too quick and somebody gets hurt.

I'm an over-thirty driver and I work with a philosophy of determinism. I am an absolute focused and technical driver. I put all responsibility on me. In my world there is only me to blame if I have an accident.

If somebody turns left into me, it's my fault for letting it happen.

If somebody slams into me while I'm stopped at a light, it's my fault for not monitoring my rear veiw mirror.

I focus exlusively on the physics of the vehicles around me, NOT on what the drivers of those vehicle might do.

Driver's have an infinite number of things they might do. Vehicles have a finite number of things the can do. Therefore the only thing you can depend on is the physical limitations of the vehicles around.

For example: a car cannot move directly sideways; a car cannot move diagonally backwards if it is already moving forwards; Therefore if you place yourself at the rear corner of a car while you are both moving forwards, that car cannot hit you even if the driver is trying to hit you.

I also look at the body langugue of vehicles. If I see a guy leaning on his phone in a late model Mercedes with a lot of customization and I hear Hip Hop booming while he cruises and a slow speed, I can figure he's not gonna be all over the road tryna get somewhere.

On the other hand, it I see some 17 year old kid with his first new Honda, I know he's gonna be all over the road trying to see what his new car will do, and I also know he's not going to be at all predictable with respect to his driving habits.

I also keep the front wheel in my peripherals when I splitting lanes 'cause that's gonna be my first indicator if someone's gonna turn into me.

I have recently started studying on coming traffic with the idea of somebody turning left into me as a senerio and you start to see the escape routes. If I am on a six lane city street with parked cars and I'm riding on the right hand side of the middle lane, the escape for an on-coming left turn would seem to be slightly to the left and slow down prior to the intersection/driveway (where the car was turning left into) right up unto the sweet spot, where you would pull hard to the right and speed up to get passed the offending auto.

I also have a protocol for riding in LA:

Defcon 3
- This normal daily riding where 3 out of 5 drivers on the road are dangerous by virtue of their incompetence.

Defcon 4
- This the the 3 out of 5 who can drive plus the 1 out of 5 who have lost there minds because it is rush hour.

Defcon 5
- This where you got the 3 out of 5 who can't drive properly, the 1 out of five who won't drive properly because of rush hour and the 1 out of 5 who is trying to actually kill you because of some kind of Highway closure.


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Man... That was more long-winded than the Santa Ana winds through Ontario... But all true about So Cal Drivers.

I credit my "6th sense" of motorcycling to my first 13 years of street motorcycling to my former home of So Cal.

If near-death circumstances constitute spending one of the nine "cat lives", then I have been more cats than a whole neighborhood of crazy 'ol cat ladies in Pasadena...
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Yeah I did go on (That's what happens when you put down a liter of Coke at bed time), but it is a subject close to my heart since my bike is how I get around and I live in Hollywood.

My perspective is simple. If I could choose how to travel, I would walk. I'm really not a vehicle person. However, that of course is not practical in LA. I've been here for 10 years and the driving was making me crazy . I've always engineered my life in such a way as to limit the amount of time spent driving, but in LA, that's a considerable challenge.

Then in 2001 I saw some guy splitting lanes and it put ideas in my head. I started surfing around the net and found a Night Black K1200RS and I was absolutely smitten. I had never seen such a beautiful bike . Then I started a process of thought. My perspective was that I would do this if I could do it safely, and that is still my mantra. If I ever feel that riding puts me in the position of becoming a statisitic, I will stop. Period. I do love my bike and I do love to ride, but I ride purely to get from A to B.

What I have found is that there is an art form to safety. A kind of Zen thing, if you will. One of the other posters on this thread stated that same sentiment in different form, stating that every ride is a learning experience and that we all have the opportunity to improve our skills each time we turn the key.


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It kinda odd, but there are times when I swear that even though I may not have a good look at where or what the other cage driver is looking at or intending to do, I can somehow see the "body language" of the cage and its just... well... predictable.

I made a decision a long time ago that if I ever lose that "sense", I will stick solely to track riding or give it up all together.
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I know exactly what you mean. When I come to an intersection and a car in the opposing lane is stopped and poised to turn left, I focus on that car. I watch it carefully and from there I can tell what that driver is going to do. I never assume personal mastery of this process, but there is an art to it, and of course it's the great art of survival.

I have reconciled myself to the fact that the kind of urban riding I do is predicated on absolute focus on safety and will never be carefree. The trade off is that I get to travel quickly around LA in a way that I enjoy.



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I've crashed on a motorcycle four times.

The first time was associated with "black ice." It was in the morning of a February day when the temperature was forcasted to reach 70 degrees. Unfortunately, the moisture on the road on a sharp curve near home had frozen down in the surface. Very wierd. You could walk on it and not slip, but there was no traction available for my sticky Dunlops.

The second time, I dumped my handshift '65 Electra Glide trying to make a right turn on a wet & oily right turn lane.

The third time, I was hit from behind (on the same '65 bike) at a stop sign. A lady had followed me for over five miles, and when I stopped for a stop sign, she just hit the gas and drove right into the back of me. Sent me in the air like a rag doll, but I only banged up a knee and tore a hole in my jeans.

The fourth crash was the most serious. Riding two-up on the way to work early one July morning, I dumped my Road Glide while moving from the center lane into the left lane where the traffic was moving faster than the lane we were in. I accelerated as I moved into the left lane and at that instant, everyone in the left lane slammed on their brakes. I couldn't get that big turd stopped in time. We didn't hit anyone, but the back end came around both left and right a couple of times and we went down. Three days in the hospital and surgery for a broken wrist. My wife needed dental work and some minor plastic surgery. She also had a broken ankle. I firmly believe that if we had been on my K12GT, its superior brakes would have prevented the accident entirely.

I have always said that every accident you have makes you a better rider afterwards - if you survive. . .

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ride enuf over the years
they all happen

you save a big one in a cloverleaf
heeled over sparks flyin
one realizes luck was riding pillion

then after pimpin it in the driveway
you drop in in the garage against the wifes car
WTF !!!

i'll take both
rather than never do either
& end up in intensive care
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For about ten years I was in the " I'm too lucky, too pretty in my rose colored glasses.. Not gonna happen!". Oh, and I was a great rider. One good smack down at 65 and I then knew better. Anyone, anytime...All the gear, all the time!

That's my motto: "if it's too much trouble to wear the gear, it's too much trouble to ride".
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As a pilot, we have a known hour level where a person is at highest risk. When you first start flying, you are careful and by the book... then you get about 800 hours and feel that you have seen everything and can deal with anything, that is until you do something REALLY stupid. Between 800-1200 hours there will be something that you do that will be a slap in the face, this slap will sober you and "re-cage" your respect for what you do (if it didn't kill you). I think there is some truth to this in motorcycling as well.


I totally agree and hereby proclaim that all the stupid things that have happened to me in helicopters and planes count in the bike world. Which means I get to reset the accident clock for another 10 or so years!!!!!!
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That's my motto: "if it's too much trouble to wear the gear, it's too much trouble to ride".
Sure saved a lot of my hide, lately. My helmet visor was scaped nearly away. Hate to think of what my face would have looked like. Even though the bumper of a truck did a nasty number on my leg, the road didn't get me. And, El Barto, you're right: wasn't going to happen. But it did, and riding skill was no help.

Anyway, I'm about 2 months of healing from a new KS. My crash clock is reset at zero right now, but there's no way of telling where it'll be when I again through my leg over the saddle. Who cares?
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Been riding for 8 years now. Dropped the K1200RS at least twice in the garage (one on each side, naturally). One low side at 30 mph on the S. No injury (ATGATT) except to my pride, but the bike was pretty rashed up. The scary part is I still don't know exactly what happened, but I think it was a combination of wet plus new tire plus lean angle. I was amazed how quickly it happened- one second you're on the bike, the next second you are sliding on the pavement across the double yellow. Thank god there was no oncoming traffic.
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I low sided twice on the road in the past 16 years of riding bikes, both were my fault for going to fast in a curve. My first wreck, I just rash'd my bike up. That was about 12 years ago and my latest wreck 3 years ago I totled out a ZX9R in a curve doing close to a 100 and land'd in a swamp...been thru that curve 100 times without any problem. But the 101st the tires just did not hold. I remember sliding going my wife is going to kill me...funny whats goes thru your mind in moments like that.

But both wrecks I was wearing full leathers, so no real injuries and NO ROAD RASH...wost thing was the cracked rib and a spot on my arm where the leather twisted and gave me a burn on the skin....other than that I just limp'd the F@#k away.
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i guess a couple of my best was [1] back in '79 had a '78 gold wing and tried to jump a creek. well it was either jump it or drive right in. had several miles of straight so i was doin' 3 digit time and that's when the road went right turn matt, but it was too late; no hope. bent the bike pretty good and turned my right foot backwards at the knee. ouch. [2] messy one now. '81 gpz550 [hot little rocket] had a truck w/boat pull out in front of me. told him to move it or loose it. not good. i lost it. 3 weeks in hospital and a 10 year vacancy in the recall dept. no smell, no taste, still got technical difficulties beyond my control. but i still ride - worst [or best] dang addiction i ever had. look to go out with my boots on.
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I've unfortunately visited the operating room 3 or 4 times for my skiing, never for my riding and I've been riding a lot longer. My bikes have occasionally found their "resting" positions, but not too bad yet.

Maybe I should quit skiing........? Nah, same but different feeling as riding.

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Pirate, going back to the original message:

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Recently, in one of my cheesy newsletters, I casually mentioned that there are two types of riders out there... Those who will crash.. and those who already have.

My thinking is..it's virtually inevitable that sooner or later you're gonna go down..

Well somebody contacted me after reading this and went off on me saying that I was irresponsible for putting that in print and I should NEVER say these things as

A. It will scare off potential riders and

B. It's simply not true...

Hence this poll. Thought I'd find out exactly what's going on out there in the real world..

BTW.. In case anyone is curious.. I've crashed only once in 35+ years, but I've had perhaps a dozen zero mph drops through the years..I admit it.

What say ye, my brothers?? Just curious...

Rather than just listing any mishaps I've had (it's a short list), I'd like to tackle what you wrote.

I think what you wrote -- repeating what has been said and written many times by many others -- is simplistic. It suggests that:

- all riders are destined to crash
- there is nothing that we can do about it.

Both assumptions are false.

There are many riders who never crash.

That said, does this mean that we can guarantee never being in a motorcycle crash? No, except by not riding.

But is it completely out of our hands? Are we powerless to prevent being in a crash? Is crashing the guaranteed destiny of anyone who rides? Of course not.

We can do many things to improve our odds. These include:

- learning how to ride (rider education)
- riding within our abilities, our bike's capabilities, and road and traffic conditions
- riding sober
- wearing proper protective gear.

In this way, we minimize the likelihood of being in a crash, and reduce the likelihood of being killed or severely injured if in a crash.

This is more constructive, and more precise, than the dichotomy you repeated.
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I went down on while riding on a backroad I'd been on many times. Crossed an unmarked wooden surface over a culvert at the beginning of a turn. It was only 20 feet long. The wood looked just like concrete. A rain squall had hit about an hour before I got to the wood surface. Earlier in the winter the road and the wood deck had been under water from a flood of the adjacent river. So there was some river slime built up in the wood. When the rain squall hit it became slicker than ice.

When I hit the wood I went down so fast I didn't even realize it. As I was bouncing down the road on my chest I thought "where the hell did my bike go"? I got up after sliding about 100 feet and no bike! It was as if God had reached down and plucked it from beneath me. And I still couldn't tell what made me go down. Then a 4X4 truck crossed the wood surface and slid sideways, scaring the hell out of the occupants. The people in the truck got out to help me and said that a bunch of bikes went down on that wood surface every winter. They helped me find my bike, which had slid upside down into a big weed filled ditch. It was totalled.

I found out from a local 6 bikes had gone down there in the previous 2 months. Now here is what really made me angry. NOT ONE OF THEM CONTACTED THE COUNTY ROAD DEPARTMENT ABOUT THE WOOD SURFACE. The locals didn't report the problem either. When I called the county they came out and put a rough surface treatment on the wood surface, and put up caution signs. The county guys were great, and their response was timely and appropriate. Because the wood culvert cover was in a flood plain they needed Corps of Engineer's approval to replace the wood, a two year permitting process.

I learned two big things: 1) You can go down anytime, so always wear protective gear. My helmet, gloves, riding jacket and pants were totalled, but they did their job. 2) Motorcyclists like to complain about government and the authorities, but you can't expect them to take action by reporting hazards, even if it is obvious it would help their fellow riders.

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Once on snow and ice in Vermont in February suffering cabin fever. Rode back to the barn without further incident, about a quarter mile. Smashed all the nice plastic on the left side of my 85 K100 w/ Pichler fairing, but no harm to body.

A week into my 03 K12RS, dumped on a slow left turn uphill after 400 miles. I was in a dark neighborhood near Twin Peaks in SF and must have shifted up to third rather than down to first. Brain fart. Costly to bike, and broken collarbone, but I probably REALLY broke that trying to pick the thing up on my own.

Numerous near falls at zero, but I pay a lot more attention to where I'm putting my feet these days, what I'm wearing on them, and to the fact that if you quickly switch the bars AWAY from the direction the bike is going down, it changes the balance substantially in your favor.

That tip's from Proficient Motorcycling, the book one of you mentioned above. I ride ATGATT, and if I'm too hot, traffic's too slow, I look for an air-conditioned movie theater.

In my experience, all the bad stuff happens when you're going slow and your brain thinks you've already arrived where you're going: Stay in the moment!
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The second time I went out on the road. I dropped the bike at a stop sign. Still not used to the weight of the bike.
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hmmm....well, I don't see my option in the polls but ummm...Does getting HIT BY a motorcycle, as a pedestrian, going about 40mph, on your birthday, by your roommate, in front of his girlfriends house, on a bike you taught him how to ride, count???

heh...looking back now, maybe I should have taught him how to stop
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So, I've ridden, maybe, 100k on a bike and a million in a car. I've had one significant wreak on the bike, with injury, that's kept me off the bike for 3 months. I've been in one significant wreak in the car, with no injury. It's amazing to me that I will never give up bikes till I can't hold one up again (just looking at the comparison statistically). I would give up cars in a New York minute if bikes filled all my needs. I gotta change my life to fit my needs.
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Why is it not allowable to check more than one category? For instance, dropped while stopped and accident at speed? If I am multi-talented, I want to be recognized for it. Thank you so much.
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3 times. one 14 years ago and two within a week one year ago. all my fault and could have been prevented. oh yeah and one parking drop on my first bike.
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Last year i had two accidents. First with KS i hit Steinbock/Spanish Ibex/Capricorn or what ever in Sierran Nevada, Spain. Cute, but not so nice over you:



Knock-out, but no major damages. Insuranse company said, that my still soring and funny noise having right shoulder is normal degeneration and won't pay my physiotherapy. There was nothing wrong before accident, but i'm too lazy to fight about that. I bought a gym in my cellar and try to pump that degeneration off from me. It's getting better now.

Next i bought Megamoto and crashed it in few days. I was coming downhill and breaking to oncoming curve. I didn't pay attention to road surface enough and there was join of different age asphalt and a little bump in right sloping road. On the picture i was breaking straight and before i noticed, my front rip to right and i was sliding to bushes. I propably wouldn't see that kind of dangerous joint again, but next time i would pay attention for that:



Fracture in right hand and now my left shoulder get hurt. Funny how fast those degenerations come.
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If dirt bike wipeouts count, well, too many to count, I was a kamikaze dirt bike rider in my youth.
Street, three all by my lonesome wrecks and one when a car hit me.
Never dropped a bike sitting still or parked.
I subscribe to the theory that everyone will eventually kiss the ground as a motorcycle rider.
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I subscribe to the theory that everyone will eventually kiss the ground as a motorcycle rider.
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Well, here is a somewhat true / somewhat humorous way of looking at it: If you don't crash every now and then, you just aren't trying...!

This does not count for trials / MX riding, as crashes are expected and acceptable, and if you can do it (crash) with style, then all the more power to you.
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Testing...

I saw only three pages, but this topic is now and then "unread". Is there a bug or how it's possible. Last post i see is 4-10-2008 by Brooke.

Just wandering.

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looks like my post appeared here, but how this topic comes unread itself?
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If I understand the question.... It is a pole and it will show recent activity without a post. Someone votes but posts no message and the thread shows as if it has a new message when in fact it does not. It just has a new vote.
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That sounds reasonable. Didn't thought about that....
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Had a couple of 0 MPH drops in my past. One moving accident, $13K damage to the bike, a broken wrist and ribs for me.

It's true, if you have not gone down, you likely will. I have noticed that even over the past 4 or 5 years people have started paying less and less attention to motorcyclists even though there seems to be more and more of us around. It's only a matter of time. Wear your helmet and gear (IMHO) it saved my life.
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I've had 3 on the street with gear saving my skin...graval and wet leaves. I've had multiple drops on dirt bikes since the age of 14. But really hurt is those 4 or so damn zero mph drops I've had!
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Drops and few crashes hmmmm what counts no injury? Bike damage? I layed an unfaired (doing maintenance) Hurricane 600 down in a dirt parking lot on the side of the road due to a mini van on my side of the road no damage to me or the bike, also layed it down at under 5 mph pulling over to readjust some oil under a bungy net. Tons of very close calls with unexpected cars.
Fell over a few times at stop lights on my street legal Husky 610 34" seat height and a 30" inseem don't mix some times. Dirt is another story too numerous to count.
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I heard that as three types of riders. Those that are going down, those that have been down, and those that are going down again.
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I had finished a full rebulding of an older Goldwing. It had been found outside of a bodyshop in Scarborough, Ontario. I had been by the shop about ten times and during those times the old delapitated bike was there.
I looked for the owner to ask if the bike was for sale, and was told it had been droped off several month ago to let one of the shops empyees look at it which he did and didn't want to buy it, so duing the conversation I found the bike belonged to a budy. Called him up and got the scoop on it It had been a old stock unit at Honda Canada that was used for teaching and somhow it had been in a fire by one of the students. My friend had bought it from Honda for salvage and was going to scrap it when he had mentioned ithe the bodyshop emploee.
Well that whare I came in I striped the bike to the frame engine out raplace the burnd parts<and made it a naked mole rar bike it took 3 yaers to do this. Put it un the roud drove it for a summer season and in October droped it severly to a point where the engine was damaged so was my pride as this was only the second time I had droped it the first being at a Tim Hortons slip on some antifreeze a car had released on the pavement. somuch damage to the right head . FIx the head with a replacment sold the bike, stayed of for two years till I could obtain somthog again .
the crash was like slow mo glad to have on my shoe helmut. So you see it doesn't have to be a slow or fast crash that hurts it's the loss of your favorite steed that really can hurt. Mike R I Now have my new wife it's a blue K75ts.


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Once at 60mph, once at 25 mph, once at 120 mph, once trying to get on my 999 and my pant leg was caught on my peg.
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WEll, I was stopped last time, but the U-turning truck wasn't...
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The poll and potential for crash is a good public service. Thinking wannabees will hopefully reconsider how much they really want a motorcycle.
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gravity never goes to sleep

sure ive been down & in several trauma units

kinda goes with the territory

i dont look foward to it.....................just the walking away from it part

which ive always been able to do
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While we're obviously not proud of the 'rubber side up' scenarios, and the physical and mechanical damage that inevitably occurs (even minor ones which hurt more psychologically!), accidents plain happen even when every attempt is made to avoid them. Risk management helps, but not always. Hindsight, usually in someone else's eyes, is in my opinion, is a flawed assessment of could-have, would-have or should-have. If we sometimes look at that exact moment in time, you might actually wonder if it's solely the operator's fault (yours!). Rose-coloured glasses aside whether you're on the track, street or back-forty terrain, we're at risk every time we do ANYTHING, regardless if you're on a motorcycle or not. I worry more when I'm on my bicycle going around the block!!! The real and ONLY fear is the reprisals from family and friends for the dangers of being on a motorcycle. But then again...while we don't look forward to being a statistic, it will inevitably happen to a fair majority of us riders in some shape and degree.

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Guess I am even more irresponsible then, I change that old axiom to:

Those who will crash.. and those who will again.

Just sort of inevitable when you ride, and mean REALLY ride, a motorcycle.

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Been down at least 5 times 2 of them high speed crashes. Walked away from them all got my first bike in 78.
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4 times on the road in 40+ years (1 collison, 1 avoidance, one road debris, 1 stupidity)

A few UGLY times on a 500 2-stroke Yamaha dirtbike.

AFM racing doesn't count because that was a loooong time ago (and besides, it was sort a fun to crash and slide around when I was twenty-something.)

Close calls where God or some other power saved my skin? A few of those, too, including missed deer at night and a 1972 catastrophic blowout at 70mph on the old "Riverside Freeway" in Corona on Easter Sunday bumper to bumper So. Calif. traffic with a load of camping gear and my girlfriend (now wife) on the back of a SOHC 750 Honda-4. Excellent riding by yours truly and the surprisingly alert and courteous cage drivers in the immediate vicinity resulted in nothing but the need for a new rear tire and tube. (I had a new Conti K-111 on the back. To this day, I have a fondness for Continentals.) Whew!

This is a good thread for those new to the game.

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A long time ago, I was told something that really stuck in my head. The riding instructor said, Whenever you start to take your bike for granted, it will do something to humble you." My K1200S keeps me humble. On both sides. I have thought about gettng it repainted, but everytime I see the scratches it reminds me to have respect. Lots of respect.
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One (thankfully) low speed crash at about 30 mph...taken out by a soccer mom in a minivan turning left from the right lane (I called her really ugly names) 1986 I think. Maybe a 1/2 dozen really close ones over the years, avoided by luck/divine intervention/skill(yea, right)...
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