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Old 07-28-2016, 06:26 PM
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Talking track comparsion s1000rr v s1000xr

Just wanted to share a recent review I'd come across - located at
https://vimeo.com/176430962

Was surprised by the results... not sure how familiar the rider was with the track? perhaps having more laps in and being on the xr last may have helped? and perhaps a tighter track as with long straight like (as paulmogs calls it) 'Stoner Island' with a +300kmph straight, I would think the rr would pull more seconds from the xr... regardless I still managed to get a chubby with another positive review on the xr! cheers.
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Re: track comparsion s1000rr v s1000xr

Very interesting. Thanks for posting that.
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Re: track comparsion s1000rr v s1000xr

Hi Chris

Thanks for the video, for some reason I can't see it from vimeo.

This is the same, but from youtube

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Re: track comparsion s1000rr v s1000xr

IMO is not a fair comparision, are not in the same category.

Logically you can compare if you don't push the S1RR to his limits, in fact are important differences: power, rider position, frame geometry, front end, frontal area and some more making real differences: one for race, another for touring

btw, if you see videos posted by our friend Alex (MirageZA) you can also compare the GS1200 with the S1RR
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Re: track comparsion s1000rr v s1000xr

I'm not surprised. Assuming the rider went out and rode both bikes to the best of his abilities. I'm certainly not an expert by any stretch of the imagination - but I do get to several tracks frequently.

I have said time and time again to my track day friends that the RR is harder to ride fast than almost any of the 600cc sport bikes.

Reason it has an awesome engine that truly explodes in the upper rpm range - for many tracks the performance is overkill -in fact making it harder to ride fast - because you have to really work hard to find that happy medium of riding fast and smooth compared to getting up to crazy speeds to have to haul the bike back down to negotiate the next corner.

The XR has less HP don't get confused it still has more than enough - it is tuned for rideability on the street - way better med range - so the power hit is down lower and for lots of tracks that is a good thing.

The XR sitting up taller and wider bars - makes the handling/turning feel easier because of the extra leverage it in fact is.

On track I get passed by riders on Supermotards all the time - they have way less HP but they are lighter and have a very different steering geometry. The HP they have is much more manageable/usable and they can keep the bike on throttle more time than you can with the RR.

I think the XR has similar traits and again it is easier to ride it at a fast pace. For the average to above average rider I can see why the XR can and does so well on the track compared to the RR.

Now that is all well and good - as they stated in the video - why have a dedicated sport bike that really is only good for one type of riding when you can have a bike that you can commute on - tour on - and let it rip at the track.

Well my answer to that - that is perfectly fine for the rider that is going to take it to the track on occasion - in fact probably the smart purchase.

But and this is a big but in my opinion - once you start taking the bike to the track regularly - you will need to start setting it up for that venue. The suspension even though electronic - the tires - once you start getting some pace - you just can't run street tires - brakes - protection - maintenance all of these things come into play.

Again you could argue you can do all that to the XR but once you setup suspension and start using race tires just those two items - changes the bike - so much that riding it on the street is not going to work.

And in the end when you get to a high enough level - if you ever do - everything on the RR is designed for one thing - to ride the motorcycle fast.

I can't make my RR work for me anymore as a dual or multi purpose motorcycle - just to hard and labor/time consuming to do it.

The bike is setup for track duty - all the lights have been disabled - no directionals - no mirrors - no license plate brackets. No street tires - no street brakes - suspension dialed in as close as I can get it for track riding - very stiff compared to what I would want on the street.

And in regard to you can do all of this to the XR - my question would be why? The cost of the XR is basically the same as an RR - so if you purchase the XR to run strictly at the track - you are going to have to do more to it to get it to perform like an RR in the end.

And if you purchase an RR to tour on - commute on - and track duty - again why - purchase the XR it is already setup for all of this.

Gets back to something I always say - purchase the correct motorcycle for what it is you want to do - some riders like and have great luck with the one bike does it all - it has never worked for me - because one bike just can't do it all.

And I like having more than one bike - if I need them or not.
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