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Old 07-14-2017, 12:12 AM
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Valve check

Quick question for the group: With an 08 GT, roughly what should you pay for a valve check? I get it that it seems to be a pretty involved job, but I had scheduled it at my local dealer who quoted me $300 over the phone, which I figured was just fine but then when I get there to drop off the bike it grew to like $500+. He said oh well you have to replace the coolant of course and then the spark plugs while you're in there and we might have to change the gaskets, etc... I passed at that point. I figured if I got to almost 2x the phone quote before leaving the drop-off I didn't even want to think of what kind of phone call I'd get once the thing is in pieces.

But now I'm curious... was the original $300 quote too low, or was the latter one overblown?

... and of course if anyone can recommend a shop in the San Jose area to do this job that you have good experience with...much appreciated
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Old 07-14-2017, 01:20 AM
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Re: Valve check

Yes, the 300 was off base. The man was correct, new plugs 80$, coolant 25$, rocker cover gasket 50$, rocker cover bolt seals, secondary air gaskets, oil Orings for the cam bridges if they come off and seals for the water pump if you have to do some shim changes and remove the camshafts. Just a check $500 is ok, expect another 150 or so if shim work is needed. It is a big job. But holds for more than 18,000 miles. I generally go to 25k. K bikes are not cheap to keep running.
A valve check is 4 or 5 hours and 2 more minimum to change shims if needed.
And if it has been 4 years or so, an Oring kit for the cam chain tensioner is a good plan. About 18$ more. Don't forget the donuts for the shop crew to keep them happy another 10 bucks.
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Re: Valve check

I can't quote on US prices but just wanted to say:-

My very experienced BMW trained private tech Paul has worked on the London Met Police bikes for years and now on private bikes. He says that the old K1200RS flat motors almost never needed shims changing (my 1997 Taxi's are as factory at 53,000 miles) , and that it's also very rare on the slant 4 (my 2005 K1200S was also as factory at 30,000 miles).

By all means get them checked and prepare for a big invoice, but, unless you're a red line ruffian, you might just get a nice surprise.
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Re: Valve check

MCC, I agree with you 100%. It is very rare that they need checking. My K1300S did not need adjustment until 52,000 miles.
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Re: Valve check

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He says that the old K1200RS flat motors almost never needed shims changing (my 1997 Taxi's are as factory at 53,000 miles)
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I need to check but I think it was around 60,000 miles before any shims were needed on our 2003 K1200RSs.

Edit: Approx 58,000 on one bike and 63,000 on the other.
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Re: Valve check

Thanks gents for the tips and info. I guess I will just bring it back to the same shop again, this time with the understanding that I'm in for ~$5xx if it all goes smoothly, could balloon to 7ish if the adjustment is needed, and of course who knows what nuggets of new info are lying in wait to be revealed upon careful inspection.
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Re: Valve check

You could also check out Ted Porter, a great resource to know.:thumb

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Re: Valve check

Be wary of unfamiliar dealers. I do my own valve checks sometimes, but once I took it to a local dealer because I ran out of time before a long trip. (It was the same dealer who sold the 2007 K1200GT to me.)

When the service manager wrote up the order, I specifically asked for the measurement sheet (from the RepROM), because I have been trying to track changes over time. The work was done, but they did not give me the measurement sheet, so I asked for it. I waited a couple minutes, and what I got back was:

Exhaust: .27 .27 .27 .27 .27 .27 .27 .27
Inlet: .40 .40 .40 .40 .40 .40 .40 .40

Coincidence? I think not. Those are nowhere near the values that I found with my own work, and I do not believe that all of the valves were exactly the same.

I wonder whether the technician decided that shims are so rare that they could take a chance and not do the actual work. It is also possible that they did not bother to record the results, despite the fact that I asked them to do it. It is also possible that they checked only with feeler gauges at the limits of acceptable values, but never bother to measure the true intermediate values. What they gave me was no help to determine how the valve clearances are changing over time.

I will never go back to that dealer again. Fortunately there are several others in the area.
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Re: Valve check

just had the 54K service done on my '08GT with 54,250 on the odometer, it was quoted $650 if no shims were needed and this was the first time shims were needed and it brought the price up of course.
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Re: Valve check

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Be wary of unfamiliar dealers. I do my own valve checks sometimes, but once I took it to a local dealer because I ran out of time before a long trip. (It was the same dealer who sold the 2007 K1200GT to me.)

When the service manager wrote up the order, I specifically asked for the measurement sheet (from the RepROM), because I have been trying to track changes over time. The work was done, but they did not give me the measurement sheet, so I asked for it. I waited a couple minutes, and what I got back was:

Exhaust: .27 .27 .27 .27 .27 .27 .27 .27
Inlet: .40 .40 .40 .40 .40 .40 .40 .40

Coincidence? I think not. Those are nowhere near the values that I found with my own work, and I do not believe that all of the valves were exactly the same.

I wonder whether the technician decided that shims are so rare that they could take a chance and not do the actual work. It is also possible that they did not bother to record the results, despite the fact that I asked them to do it. It is also possible that they checked only with feeler gauges at the limits of acceptable values, but never bother to measure the true intermediate values. What they gave me was no help to determine how the valve clearances are changing over time.

I will never go back to that dealer again. Fortunately there are several others in the area.

Have had similar issues with stealers. Did you pop an email on them to know they lost you as a customer? For years I didnt. Now when I get poor service, I let them know, and that I am taking my $$ elsewhere...

Venting and maybe they will wake up one day...
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Quick question for the group: With an 08 GT, roughly what should you pay for a valve check? I get it that it seems to be a pretty involved job, but I had scheduled it at my local dealer who quoted me $300 over the phone, which I figured was just fine but then when I get there to drop off the bike it grew to like $500+. He said oh well you have to replace the coolant of course and then the spark plugs while you're in there and we might have to change the gaskets, etc... I passed at that point. I figured if I got to almost 2x the phone quote before leaving the drop-off I didn't even want to think of what kind of phone call I'd get once the thing is in pieces.

But now I'm curious... was the original $300 quote too low, or was the latter one overblown?

... and of course if anyone can recommend a shop in the San Jose area to do this job that you have good experience with...much appreciated


You were right to leave (if you have other options), as a dealer that can not listen to question, and discuss / quote possible costs accurately is either uncaring or incapable - neither thing goo near a missile that can kill you. Ever.

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