I-BMW.com I-BMW.com

Welcome to the I-BMW.com forums! - You're currently viewing as a limited access guest. By joining our free member supported community, you'll gain access to post/ reply, communicate privately with other members (PM), or globally via "real time chat", respond to polls, upload photos, post classifieds etc. Membership is fast so, Register @ the Ultimate Sport Touring Portal!
Should you not receive an email with activation link, check your SPAM settings or please contact us and include the ID/ email address you registered with.

Go Back   I-BMW.com > BMW K-1300 Series Motorcycles > K1300S > "K13S" Gen. Discussions
User Name
Password
Home Register Gallery Classifieds FAQ Members List Calendar Donate Mark Forums Read

"K13S" Gen. Discussions All about the bike

Vendor Sign Up | Want to see your name in neon blue? | Want a neat reflective sticker for your ride?!

Reply
 
Thread Tools.. Display Modes
  #1  
Old 08-07-2017, 07:57 AM
polyfiller polyfiller is offline
Entering the on-ramp
Post: 19 Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
 
Join Date: Aug 2017
Location: Royston, UK
New owner questions ...

Hi. had my 2011 K1300s a week or so now, done around 500 miles and have some questions;

1) On my intro thread I discussed some issues with overheating - having cleaned radiator out I am now seeing the gauge rise to 5 and sometimes 6 in traffic, and it falls down to 4 once out of traffic - this was in 18 to 22 Celsius temperatures. Does this sound OK or should I see the gauge drop down 3 after traffic ?

2) A few concerns about shift assist .... I sometimes get a very clunky change with shift assist - especially at slow rates of acceleration and shifting up from 1 to 2 ... and even worse when engine is cold. Is there possibly an issue - maybe with the gear location potentiometer ? The cold shifting from 1 to 2 is so bad it's created a right old clatter and I now use clutch when shifting 1 to 2 when cold.

3) Throttle - seems to be a lot of play and / or a "dead" patch where nothing happens when moving throttle .. this is worse when going off throttle in traffic and then wanting to add enough throttle to maintain speed and arrest the previous deceleration. Going back on throttle after this quite often produces a severe "snatch" and jump forward of the bike in traffic. This gets worse the hotter the engine is.

4) Clattering noise when coming off throttle ... relatively slow speeds - say 40 MPH down to 10MPH when approaching traffic - sounds like it's coming form the airbox ... is this normal ?

Thanks for any inputs. Other than the above, really enjoying the bike and especially the ESA when I am riding 2 up with the wife.
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 08-07-2017, 11:33 AM
jargon's Avatar
jargon jargon is online now
Deplorable and Still Rides
Post: 9,161 Thanks: 6,047
Thanked 2,774 Times in 2,047 Posts
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: NJ, U S A
Re: New owner questions ...

Toby, Congrats, great bike.

1) mine always runs 3 bars and doesn't fluctuate. I had the rad soaked while removed for 18k servicing and bars used to be 4, now 3. I suspect your problem is air in your system. The rad fluid must be drained and filled using a pressurized tool like a MityVac. Any air in those tiny inner areas will cause trouble.

2) shift assist does not like going from 1-2, nor does it like a flat throttle. Slight, to heavy throttle above 2 nd and its very effective at shifting.

3) there is a nut where the throttle cable ends up at the grip. Try adjusting that...small movements at a time. Too tight and when you turn the bars, you might have too much tension and throttle may actuate.

Let us know if these help.
__________________
John

Don’t confuse me for someone who Gives a Fuck

‘Narcissism is the gift for the unhappy few.’ Unknown


Current Bikes-The Perfect Combination
'15 R12GSAW 'The I-BMW Pussy Bike'
'09 K1300S 'fits me like a glove' with Wilbers
Handy Motorcycle Lift

Past Bikes
'04 K1200RS with Ohlins (traded for GSA)
'11 F800R (traded for GSA)
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 08-07-2017, 12:13 PM
Jako Jako is online now
Entering the on-ramp
Post: 67 Thanks: 12
Thanked 25 Times in 20 Posts
 
Join Date: Jan 2015
Location: New York, NY United State
Re: New owner questions ...

Have a 2016 MS, 2500 miles. Agree with Jargon on point #2 going from 1st to 2nd with shift assist. It appears to be the nature of the K1300S. I enjoy the shift assist when being mellow and at low rpms. Refer to page 81 and 82 of the manual. There are some warnings, conditions and limitations.

Went for a test ride on a GS at Cross Country BMW in NJ 2 weeks ago. The salesman wanted to check out my 2nd gear on the 13S (2200 miles at this point) before giving potential trade value. Stated he had taken 2 13S with bad 2nd gear. Asked why 2nd was bad. Stated they didn't know how to ride. Have not seen anything on IBMW about this (2nd gear) as far as I can recall.

Liked the GS better than the older model that I test drove years ago. Not ready to give up 2 cylinders and 50 HP yet. Max in Troy gave me a loaner GS to get back to NYC when they worked on my 2004 GT clutch / o ring in 2008. Put close to 400 miles on a new GS. GS gives the potential for low speed awards versus the K for high speed awards. Those awards can cost too much these days.
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 08-07-2017, 02:40 PM
polyfiller polyfiller is offline
Entering the on-ramp
Post: 19 Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
 
Join Date: Aug 2017
Location: Royston, UK
Re: New owner questions ...

Thanks for the input folks. So ..

1) I need to learn how to change gears better (1st & 2nd)...

2) Am going to have coolant change done by a local BMW expert, after I take delivery of a new radiator cap (had issues with these in the past .. once bike has overheated a little, I don't trust original / old radiator caps).

Anyone have any feedback on the rattling noise on throttle off ?
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 08-07-2017, 02:56 PM
brucev's Avatar
brucev brucev is online now
Administrator
Post: 14,931 Thanks: 4,379
Thanked 5,406 Times in 3,136 Posts
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: W MASS, USA
Re: New owner questions ...

Mine will run three bars as long as I'm moving above 40 or 50 miles an hour if I get in traffic it certainly goes up four to five bars and even as I start moving again it could take a long time before it drops back down to 3 bars.
__________________
Bruce

16 S1000RR-Black (Track Only)
16 R3-Black (Track Only)
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 08-07-2017, 03:42 PM
polyfiller polyfiller is offline
Entering the on-ramp
Post: 19 Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
 
Join Date: Aug 2017
Location: Royston, UK
Re: New owner questions ...

Bruce - thanks .. that is roughly what mine is doing ... it did go back down to 3 on two occasions - both when moving above 60 MPH and with air temp below 14 Celsius.
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 08-26-2017, 12:21 PM
bald biker bald biker is offline
Getting up to speed
Post: 58 Thanks: 1
Thanked 13 Times in 8 Posts
 
Join Date: Nov 2015
Location: Ashford, Uk
Re: New owner questions ...

I don't really use the shift assist at low revs or speed . I find it best at or above 6000rpm, sometimes with a little pop from the akrapovic.
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 08-26-2017, 01:38 PM
Beech's Avatar
Beech Beech is offline
I-BMW Rider of the Year 2016
Post: 6,544 Thanks: 1,610
Thanked 1,530 Times in 1,172 Posts
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: mount vernon, WA usa
Re: New owner questions ...

I suspect you need an oring kit in the cam chain tensioner to freshen it up. Kit costs about $18 us, labor is about a half hour.
Yes, shift assist is really only for the upper gears and not for 1-2 shift.
I agree that you should be seeing only 3 bars on the road. The radiator is difficult to really clean. The fins are so close it is hard to do on the bike. After you straighten fins and pick out individual rocks and bugs, blow with air from the back to front. I they use some spray solvent like carb cleaner from back to front. Then water flush too.
When I have it off the bike it takes me about 2 hours to clean it. Dealers are hesitant to do all this, they rather sell you a new one. Also changing fluid, you must refill using a vacuum system to draw down on your bike coolant system thus reducing or eliminating bubbles that are trapped in small chambers in the cylinder head. You will be able to tell if it was done correctly by the rather fast overheating when underway, not a good thing at all.
I agree about removing some throttle cable slack, you need a little bit though. Change of state of the throttle has always been a complaint for some owners. Read about "booster plugs" and Accelerator plugs. Or 02 sensor manipulators
http://www.beemerboneyard.com/bmwafo2sema.html
I use one of these and it helped with stalling and throttle lag:
http://www.sol2.be/Performance/ENG/Home/page.html
All it does is tell the bike it is 20*C cooler and only works at change of state of the throttle.
The AF-XiED unit seems to help people too.
Your finding out that traffic and the city are not friends to your bike. But you are on the correct path cleaning your radiator. Of course there are two radiator caps, the pressure cap is on the coolant overflow tank left side of the bike.
__________________
Beech Arriba, Abajo, Al Centro, Adentro
Mount Vernon Cannon Works
K1300S
S1000R
I need a Vespa
I change your tires, you buy them on the web, I do the work $40, trying to keep riders on the road.
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 08-26-2017, 02:53 PM
rs530's Avatar
rs530 rs530 is online now
Entering the on-ramp
Post: 549 Thanks: 225
Thanked 164 Times in 111 Posts
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: Marengo, IL us
Re: New owner questions ...

My bike is brand new and after reading your post i paid more attention as too how mine reads.
Mine acts the same way as Bruce described his, if im sitting in traffic or riding behind a truck at slow speeds, my temp goes way up, and like Bruce says once i get moving at a good pace it takes a very long time to get back to 3 bars, sometimes it never goes back to 3 stays at 4
__________________
2016 K1300S
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 08-26-2017, 06:11 PM
Lee's Avatar
Lee Lee is online now
Debbie's Servant
Post: 15,045 Thanks: 3,464
Thanked 3,590 Times in 1,714 Posts
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: SW, IA USA
Re: New owner questions ...

Quote:
Originally Posted by rs530
once i get moving at a good pace it takes a very long time to get back to 3 bars, sometimes it never goes back to 3 stays at 4
Our K1300Ss were the same.
__________________
Lee
2016 R1200RS

Past BMWs
2011 K1300S
03 K1200RS, 91 K75S, 87 K75T, 84 R100RT

Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 08-27-2017, 04:11 PM
k_enn k_enn is offline
Shooting the gap
Post: 289 Thanks: 56
Thanked 143 Times in 64 Posts
 
Join Date: Apr 2014
Location: Northern New Jersey, usa
Re: New owner questions ...

For my own 2 cents on the quick shift: For me it works were on the 1st to 2nd, but you need to be "on the throttle" moderate to heavy for it to work well at that level. It is great when accelerating on to highway from 1st, and I use it a lot when starting from a red light while I pull down my face shield.

YMMV

k_enn
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 08-29-2017, 08:23 AM
polyfiller polyfiller is offline
Entering the on-ramp
Post: 19 Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
 
Join Date: Aug 2017
Location: Royston, UK
Re: New owner questions ...

Thanks for replies ... am finding that now the radiator is cleaned out, it runs on 4 to five bars and has, on two occasions, going fast in sub 12 Celsius temperatures, gone back down to 3 bars.

Also did the engine vibration washer fix .. much happiernow, but I do get quite a knarly vibrating sound when I accelerate hard .. is this normal ? Also the whine of the timing chain .. mine if very pronounced ... again - anything to worry about ?

Am also learning about the quick shifter .. not using it when going slow or not accelerating at a reasonable rate .. but here's a thought .. due to quick shifting a lot of the time, I haven't learnt as much about clutch shifting on this bike as I would on a non QS bike ... I've simply had less practise and I'm still not very good or smooth yet.... which takes me to another topic ...

Downshifting .. blipping throttle doesn't seem to work on this back, and some of my down shifts have been horrible ... no scratch that ... many / most of my downshifts are horrible. This is my first shaft driven bike .... any advice on downshifts gratefully received.
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 08-29-2017, 10:12 AM
phxazcraig's Avatar
phxazcraig phxazcraig is offline
Twisted Wrister
Post: 711 Thanks: 10
Thanked 312 Times in 155 Posts
 
Join Date: Nov 2014
Location: Phoenix, AZ USA
Re: New owner questions ...

On shifting... My 015 K1300s MS likes the quickshift mostly under acceleration, preferably hard acceleration in the 1-2 shift. You can also early-shift (under about 4000 rpm) under light acceleration. If running steady speed, best to use the clutch, particularly in the 1-2 shift, less so in higher gears.

As for downshifts, I find it unhelpful to blip the throttle.
__________________
Craig Johnson
www.cjcphoto.net
2015 K1300S
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 08-29-2017, 12:12 PM
Beech's Avatar
Beech Beech is offline
I-BMW Rider of the Year 2016
Post: 6,544 Thanks: 1,610
Thanked 1,530 Times in 1,172 Posts
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: mount vernon, WA usa
Re: New owner questions ...

It's a good size engine and down shifting takes practice to do the rev matching. Not as easy as a bike with a slipper clutch. You will get there. I'm finding I don't care for the quick shifter on my S bike. I purchased the solid linkage and will be installing that soon.
__________________
Beech Arriba, Abajo, Al Centro, Adentro
Mount Vernon Cannon Works
K1300S
S1000R
I need a Vespa
I change your tires, you buy them on the web, I do the work $40, trying to keep riders on the road.
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 08-30-2017, 06:58 AM
JHB1984's Avatar
JHB1984 JHB1984 is offline
Shooting the gap
Post: 436 Thanks: 342
Thanked 194 Times in 113 Posts
 
Join Date: Dec 2013
Location: LE, NÖ Austria
Re: New owner questions ...

quick shifter on the K13s/r works best +3500RPM and under, minimum, slight acceleration
__________________
greetings from Austria,
Joe
Reply With Quote
  #16  
Old 08-30-2017, 07:23 AM
cabnfvr's Avatar
cabnfvr cabnfvr is offline
Moderator; Weeding out the weak
Post: 11,962 Thanks: 34
Thanked 2,785 Times in 1,370 Posts
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Fayetteville, PA USA
Re: New owner questions ...

Quote:
Originally Posted by JHB1984
quick shifter on the K13s/r works best +3500RPM and under, minimum, slight acceleration
But never on a downslope at almost no acceleration. Nope, she don't like that.
__________________
Have BMW, Will Travel
Reply With Quote
  #17  
Old 08-30-2017, 07:40 AM
polyfiller polyfiller is offline
Entering the on-ramp
Post: 19 Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
 
Join Date: Aug 2017
Location: Royston, UK
Re: New owner questions ...

Quote:
Originally Posted by cabnfvr
But never on a downslope at almost no acceleration. Nope, she don't like that.

Yep - for sure ... already had a few really clunky changes due to that. The other thing I find is that 1st to 2nd when engine cold is also not good. As I said, I think I actually need to ignore the QS for a while and just learn how to change smoothly with the clutch. QS makes us lazy I guess and I've not bothered to learn as much about non QS changes as I should.
Reply With Quote
  #18  
Old 08-30-2017, 07:45 AM
cabnfvr's Avatar
cabnfvr cabnfvr is offline
Moderator; Weeding out the weak
Post: 11,962 Thanks: 34
Thanked 2,785 Times in 1,370 Posts
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Fayetteville, PA USA
Re: New owner questions ...

Quote:
Originally Posted by polyfiller
Yep - for sure ... already had a few really clunky changes due to that. The other thing I find is that 1st to 2nd when engine cold is also not good. As I said, I think I actually need to ignore the QS for a while and just learn how to change smoothly with the clutch. QS makes us lazy I guess and I've not bothered to learn as much about non QS changes as I should.
We're two-up almost all the time so smooth is very important. Try a slight pull on the clutch lever before upshifting. Don't pull it, just take the play out. This smooths the shifts and does not affect the shift assist. My guess is the clutch can slip ever so slightly if conditions are not perfect. Again, don't pull enough to engage the clutch, stop when the play is out of the lever. Works!
__________________
Have BMW, Will Travel
Reply With Quote
  #19  
Old 08-30-2017, 10:30 AM
polyfiller polyfiller is offline
Entering the on-ramp
Post: 19 Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
 
Join Date: Aug 2017
Location: Royston, UK
Re: New owner questions ...

Quote:
Originally Posted by cabnfvr
We're two-up almost all the time so smooth is very important. Try a slight pull on the clutch lever before upshifting. Don't pull it, just take the play out. This smooths the shifts and does not affect the shift assist. My guess is the clutch can slip ever so slightly if conditions are not perfect. Again, don't pull enough to engage the clutch, stop when the play is out of the lever. Works!

Thanks ... will give that a try .. ,my need for smoothness is also the same ... 2 up riding with a very critical pillion ;-)
Reply With Quote
  #20  
Old 08-30-2017, 04:06 PM
R111S's Avatar
R111S R111S is offline
Shooting the gap
Post: 249 Thanks: 24
Thanked 103 Times in 66 Posts
 
Join Date: Aug 2016
Location: Cental Illinois, IL USA
Re: New owner questions ...

The implementation of the Quick Shift is crude at best. Don't get me wrong, I like and use it often...but it has a steep skills learning curve due to it's rather simple design.

It's nothing like an Automatic Transmission wherein Hydraulic Valves and Actuators do all the work for you. Cutting Ignition/Fuel when the Shift Lever is pulled upwards simply takes load off the transmission Gears (actually the entire Drivetrain) and thus allowing the Shift Forks to freely move and thus select the next higher Gear Set when you move the Shift Lever up.

The QS requires you to have some "skill" over several parameters:

1. Engine Speed
__a. Always increasing, never steady state or decreasing.
__b. Typically up shifting at 3500 to 4500 RPM during normal acceleration.
__c. 5000 RPM and all the way to Redline during hard acceleration.

2. Engine Load
__a. Light or no load will result in very clunky action, especially in the lower gears.
__b. It really really likes heavy loading.

3. Gear Selection
__a. 1st to 2nd is something to work up to as it requires the most skill and is not to be used except for a very narrow set of conditions...over time you'll get a "feel" for when this can be done.
__b. 2nd to 3rd is much easier than 1 to 2 and works better most of the time.
__c. 3rd to 4th is easier still.
__d. 4th to 5th even easier.
__e. 5th to 6th easiest and the most tolerant of sloppy skill.

4. Engine Oil Temperature
a. As someone mentioned earlier - engine warmed up (not cold engine oil).
__________________
'11 K1300S, Kuykendahl Riser Plates, Corbin Seat, Low-Beam HID, Centerstand, Illmburger CF-Rear Hugger, Fenda Extenda, Philips 8-LED-DRL, Pair of 18W LED Flood Lamps, Rear Luggage Rack, Grip-Puppies, R&G Aero Sliders, OEM Hard Bags, Stebel Nautilus Air Horn, Bar-End Throttle Lock, Zumo 660LM, Nelson-Rigg Tankbag, Fuel Filler Neck Vent Holes, Aluminum Kickstand Foot, ABM Synto EVO Brake/Clutch Levers. Color: Red/Black.
Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools..
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Forum Jump

Similar Threads (a database pull of similar subject matter)
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
New owner questions. Dark Horse "KRS/GT" Technical Q&A 13 11-07-2016 08:56 PM
Hi everybody, 04 1150rt new owner questions Rider463737 BMW R-Series 8 05-25-2016 05:16 PM
New 04 K1200GT Owner Questions Kregg "KRS/GT" Technical Q&A 5 08-06-2007 10:14 PM
Potential KRS owner w/ questions sfarley111 "KRS/GT" Gen. Discussions 17 06-16-2007 09:58 PM
New K12RS owner have oil leak questions william chan "KRS/GT" Technical Q&A 19 01-04-2007 03:09 PM


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 01:32 AM.


I-BMW.com is via vBulletin Version 3.5.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2018, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright © 1998 - 2018, I-BMW.com LLC .
Page generated in 0.67422 seconds with 15 queries