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Old 03-31-2018, 09:23 AM
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18,000 mile service - what to expect

Got my 2015 K1300s MS back from it's 18,000 mile service yesterday. I had been wondering what to expect - will the engine be a bit smoother for instance? Basically, will I feel a difference, or is this mostly a fluid change and checkup?

Well, I feel a difference. Quite a bit of difference actually. First, I had the 18,000 mile service done, including a brake fluid flush. But I also had a new set of Angel GT's put on, replacing a pair that had about 4500 miles on them. (Plenty of tread left, but flat-spotted and handling not nearly as good as new).

The differences:
-Engine is clearly smoother, which I was hoping for. Not that I expected a big difference, but when valves are adjusted (and spark plugs replaced), there is always the chance that tuning will actually change for the better - and it did. A whole lot of sensors were also 'reset' or 'adjusted' in some ways. Bottom line, the engine feels both smoother and more powerful. Throttle lag reduced/responsiveness increased. The service manager mentioned that some people see improved fuel milage. (I get 38.5 mpg).
-handling is different. Of course due to the new GT's, but is there a steering dampener on this bike? It feels changed like a steering head was tightened down on a traditional front end, or a steering dampener has been stiffened. Has that 'weavy' feel at first, and I have to relearn the steering a bit as I'm over-correcting.
-tires. I'm on my (!) fifth set of tires, though none of them have been taken to the end of the rubber tread. M3's lasted 2700 miles, replaced slightly before they were worn out. GT's since then. First pair changed around 4000 miles right before a trip to Colorado. Next set was to be put on after a second Colorado trip, but I got a puncture on that trip and had to change tires early. Came back to a new set of tires I had purchased anticipating post-trip conditions, but that pair sat in the garage for 1.5 years until this week. I've found that the handling changes a lot with wear (no different from other tires), perhaps most because my tires tend to get flat-spotted. Then the handling changes as I transition to various lean angles, and the rear will start sliding under power. Otherwise I think the GT's would go 7000-8000 miles before I hit the tread depth indicators. (Or maybe not. I haven't got there yet).

Too soon to tell about mileage, but I'm quite pleased with the bike. It's really better than new right now, as everything is broken in and feels better than the week I bought the bike.
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Old 03-31-2018, 10:42 AM
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Re: 18,000 mile service - what to expect

At 18K they adjust the valves if necessary. Mine have never required adjustment. Did they actually adjust yours or just check to make sure they were within tolerance?
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I skipped my valve adjustment as many slant K’s have been within specs at that mileage. I experienced better performance from the motor and attributed it to the changing of the plugs, which were slightly fouled. My operating temps were down considerably as well, likely the result of an extensive bath cleaning and soaking that was performed on my radiator.
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I have had the 18 and 36,000 mile services done...I noticed no difference other than my wallet was extremely lighter.
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Re: 18,000 mile service - what to expect

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I have had the 18 and 36,000 mile services done...I noticed no difference other than my wallet was extremely lighter.


What does a 38000 mile service with valvecheck cost?

In sweden it is about 1300usd for the big service at every 18000 miles.
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What does a 38000 mile service with valvecheck cost?

In sweden it is about 1300usd for the big service at every 18000 miles.
Thatís about the dealership shop rate here in the USA.
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What does a 38000 mile service with valvecheck cost?

In sweden it is about 1300usd for the big service at every 18000 miles.

About $1200cdn...
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Otherwise I think the GT's would go 7000-8000 miles before I hit the tread depth indicators. (Or maybe not. I haven't got there yet).

I have gotten ~6500 Miles on a set of Angel GTs (non A-Spec) on my '11 K1300S. Granted that's riding mostly here in the Midwest.

In preparation for a trip in AZ and NM in the later half of May, I just put on a new set of Angel GTs and went for a test ride to be sure the Static Tire Balance was good (um...extra legal speeds involved). Love the A-GTs!

Can you please detail the specific work that was performed for your 18k Mile Service. In particular, were the Air Filters replaced? I replaced my Air Filters at 12K Miles and was amazed at the huge amount of debris! I will not wait beyond 12K Miles to do the next Air Filter replacement. I think the forward facing Snorkels are partly responsible for the way the Air Filters get clogged up so quickly.

I think those who suffer performance issues with K12S/K13S should first replace Air Filters that have >12K Miles as a possible remedy to the problem.
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Re: 18,000 mile service - what to expect

I'm not sure of all the specific works, but whatever is standard for the K1300, plus a tire change. Valves were definitely done, spark plugs too. All fluids, I think, brake fluid and oil for sure. Not sure about air filter - I'll have to go dig up the invoice and see if it lists all parts or not.

So far I've just never run the GT's down to the wear bars. I could have done that this time, but I had that set of brand new GT's sitting next to the bike in the garage since 2016, and the handling was off some... There was plenty of tread left, just not the right shape.

Living in Arizona, I don't get the type of build-up on a radiator you would get in the midwest charging through clouds of bugs. Air filters tend to stay clean for a longish time here too. On the other hand, the roads and heat eat tires, and the heat wears on batteries.

I suspected the engine was going to benefit from a tuneup, because to me it seemed like it wasn't as smooth as it had been. The type of change you expect to feel if one or two cylinders need a slight valve adjustment - or spark plugs. I don't know if any valves actually were adjusted or not. But the engine is definitely smoother, feels peppier at the same time.
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Might keep this link on service schedules.

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Valves were definitely done,

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I skipped my valve adjustment as many slant Kís have been within specs at that mileage. I experienced better performance from the motor and attributed it to the changing of the plugs, which were slightly fouled. My operating temps were down considerably as well, likely the result of an extensive bath cleaning and soaking that was performed on my radiator.
I made a misstatement of fact; the KS valves were inspected and did not need adjusting. The valve adjustment on my GSA was skipped at the 12k service.
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Re: 18,000 mile service - what to expect

Everyone is doing well taking care of their bikes. I'd like to add that tires are worn out before you get to the wear bars. That is just a legal limit. The last few miles on tires are not the best, much like people.
It takes 4.5 hrs to just inspect K bike valves, another three to adjust them. A good brake fluid change takes at least an hour if you do the puck cleaning and push back into caliper method. It is all day to do a complete K bike 18K mile check up.
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Hello all,

Have a 2015 k13S MS with 21k miles. I changed the OEM Metzlers at 6k miles to PR 4GTs and I'm just replacing them now. I want the Road 5, but that tire won't support the weight of the K13, the 5 GT is supposed to be out next year.

As for the valve inspection taking 4.5 hours and 3 hrs to adjust, that's way high on times. An inspection should take 2.5 hours and to actually adjust shouldn't take more than 2. That's if you correct bucket is on hand to adjust the valve with.
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Good job pulling the radiator, opening up the valve cover, checking the valves, replacing all the rubber and going back out with a vacuum radiator fill in 2 hours. Changing any shims you need to remove the water pump and cams. Every other time change the water pump seals and gaskets, along with the cam tensioner O-rings. It's a busy 2 hours. And I guess you decided not to clean the radiator.
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I work on Ks all the time. I did my 18k, to include brake fluid flush and pads all the way around, in 6hrs and usually get a normal 18k done in 4-5hrs. Every chance someone has to clean their radiator, they should.

I really shouldn't take more than 45mins to an hour to get to the valves.
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It's totally irrelevant how fast one guy can do the job versus the the other guy, they charge you by book time. Whatever the labor book says to do a paticular job is whats charged. If the mechanic can get a 6 hour job done in 4, he and the shop make more money, but if it takes him 8 hours to get a 6 hour job done he and the shop loses money.
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By the book, the entire 18k service is slightly less than 4hrs. By book I mean from BMW's service manual. That time is increased however, if a customer decides to ride his bike in the morning of service, or drops off the night before. No one likes to work around hot exhausts! If a dealership is charging more than that, they are riping people of.
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By the book, the entire 18k service is slightly less than 4hrs. By book I mean from BMW's service manual. That time is increased however, if a customer decides to ride his bike in the morning of service, or drops off the night before. No one likes to work around hot exhausts! If a dealership is charging more than that, they are riping people of.
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MaxBmw charges $500 for a valve check on a K13s just had mine done. That includes all gaskets, fluids and parts. I provided new sparks so they did not charge for that.

Mine was in spec they said another 3hours labor if they needed adjusting.

Not sure if they got the price right as I phoned up before and they quoted me $1000+ to do the valves but did not specify if that included adjusting them
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I just booked mine in for a 60000km service and was quoted 4.5 to 5 hours. I asked about leaving it overnight thinking that it had to be cold they said its not necessary. Sure hope BMW don't charge me $1300US.
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The engine has to be cold.... it even says that in the Maintenance Manual if i remember correctly.
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Iím sure they were just referring to, itís not nessary to leave it overnight.
Iím sure by the time they get it in the shop and all torn down everything will be cold.
Youíll be fine! They know what there doing, Iím sure yours is not there first valve check. Take a deep breath and relax.
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It gets down to 90*F pretty quick while taking things apart.
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I would ask the dealer if any needed adjustment.

I took a look at the invoice, and it says valves were inspected. Doesn't say adjusted, and I didn't really expect a valve adjustment would be needed yet.

Which means that all the improved feel of the engine may simply be due to new spark plugs. (I have no idea if any adjustments/resets of the electronic sensors made any difference here). I guess the k1300s is a bit hard on spark plugs?

After a week, I really have to say I love the feel of Angel GT's when new. It's just rock stable at any lean angle and very predictable. When worn (like every other tire I've had on a bike), the predictability is somewhat lost as the bike wants to resist, then fall into turns as it transitions from flat-spotted-center to unused side rubber.
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Re: 18,000 mile service - what to expect

On my 2009 K1300S, I had three 18K interval services done by my dealer, at 18K, 36K, and 54K... at 54K the valves were still within specs and had never been adjusted. At 72K, I traded the bike rather than putting another $1000 into it, so I don't know if it was still within spec... bottom line is that this engine will like stay within spec for a very long time...
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Angle GT tires have a seriously stiff sidewall. If you are riding solo I see no need for that.
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Re: 18,000 mile service - what to expect

Just picked up my KS from Mortonís. Had the full 18K service and new tires. The price of the service was $810.09. $388.09 parts and $422.00 labor. Not sure if that is high or low.
I also wanted the new Michelin Road 5ís but they talked me into the new Dunlop Roadsmart 3ís.
They were $312.00 and $90.00 mounting/balancing for a total of $402.00. Tires also come with a $75.00 rebate that I just mailed in.
Tuono only has 825 miles. I gotta get down to Florida more!
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Not sure on the 18,000 mile service, but they sure did take care of you on the tires, thats a great deal and the rebate too
What do they all do for the 18,000 mile service? I have a ways to go, with only 6,500 on mine and the way the weather is in the Midwest lately it still might have 6,500 on it for awhile
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Just had my dealer install new Michelin 5s.....$700 out the door..
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Just had my dealer install new Michelin 5s.....$700 out the door..
WOW! Tires are expensive over there, if i am correct and it is the Road 5 not pilot road you are referring to then here in sweden i would get those fitted and ready for 460 dollars.

385usd for the tires then fitting and balancing about 75usd.
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Fitted on rims or after removal fitment and re installation of the tire wheel assembly and balancing etc?
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Fitted on rims or after removal fitment and re installation of the tire wheel assembly and balancing etc?

Yeah...brought my bike in to the dealer..
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reasonable enough then its only about 175 bucks over cost to your door and a tire changer is pricy.
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My 4s that I just took off with 6000kms on them...yes still lots of life but heading to California in a couple weeks...no front tire cupping btw





New 5s









This little number on the showroom floor caught my attention

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reasonable enough then its only about 175 bucks over cost to your door and a tire changer is pricy.

Yes they wanted $100 more for the two tires than Fortnine was charging but they matched the price...then charged me $140 plus tax for install, balance etc
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The tireshop does the work. Bmw dealer then it would probably be 700usd.
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60,000km service completed a while ago, Its running like a dream. It cost about $927 aus and was finished on time about 5 hours. New oil,filter ,plugs,air filter,brake fluid and of course valve clearance check oh and drive train oil changed. I was told off the record that they never have to adjust any valves even on big mileage motors and if it was his bike he wouldn't bother getting them checked. Food for thought if your about to get a 18000m or 30000km service done.
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Just had my 54,000 mile service completed a little early at 49,000 miles.
Air filter
Oil filter & oil
Spark plugs
Valve clearances checked and all in spec
Coolant
Driveshaft oil
Brake fluid changed
MOT

All done for the reasonable sum of £338.00. Needs a new tyre as it's getting low, but had about 4500 miles from it so not too bad.

To be honest, feels exactly the same but it always runs like clockwork so not surprised.

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