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Hi, Not sure if this breaches any advertising rules but I have just got back from a trip to Hilltop motorcycles in Hinkley UK where they sorted the ecu out for me and had to share my experience with you.
Apparently they install a program on the ecu that runs alongside the existing ecu map that can not be detected by anyone else including BMW dealers.They do not re-map.
All I can say is WOW! its like riding a different bike.
They did a before and after dyno run and at mid-range Its producing 50hp more and right throughout the rev range there is a considerable increase. Also torque is substantially more throughout too.
I will try to figure out how to post a picture of the dyno results.
Riding the bike back home I kept laughing in my helmet it was so much fun.

I can't praise them enough and its the best £360 I have spent on the bike.
If you have any fueling issues and you are in the UK I think they will sort out your problem.
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The top two lines are before and after power and the bottom two are before and after torque.
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ok, the photo obviously didn't insert,
I clicked on insert image above and copied the link to it?
Can someone give me a quick instruction on how to put a photo on here?
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It would help if you said which bike you have.
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ok, the photo obviously didn't insert,
I clicked on insert image above and copied the link to it?
Can someone give me a quick instruction on how to put a photo on here?

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Go to "Gallery" and upload your photo to your album and then copy and paste the link to your post.
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Hi Welshman, Thanks for the photo tutorial, I think it has worked now, My bike is a 2014 K1300s.
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Well done for sorting the photo out.

Looking at it you don't really mean a 50hp increase in a K1300s.

Still noticeable and there are a lot of people who support Hilltop on the UK Gsers forum.

I looked this up as I'm thinking about buying a GSA for a trip around Argentina etc later this year and I was looking at the UK GSers forum who seem to have nothing but good to say about the Hilltop tuners.
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Unless I am not reading the graph correctly? but at just over 7000 revs on the first run it was showing about 80hp and on the second run at the same revs it is showing about 130hp.
This is right in the mid range where you use it most and coupled with the torque increase it has made a huge difference to the ride.
You are right that they have a good reputation and as I am lead to believe they do a lot of work with the BSB teams. They were certainly very busy when I was there.
It is slightly cheaper at £300 if they just install their program and you don't have the dyno runs. I believe they also offer a discount if you return in the future with a different bike.
I am starting to sound like a sales rep but I have no affiliation with them other than a very very happy customer who want's to let anyone on here know what a difference it made.
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Aha I see what you mean about the mid-range increase.

What's the effect on fuel consumption?
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I haven't really done enough miles yet to make a comparison but they said that because the engine is running more efficiently now it shouldn't increase too much. But I suppose that depends on how you ride it.
Maybe after I have done a few more miles I will come back on here to give an update.
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I haven't really done enough miles yet to make a comparison but they said that because the engine is running more efficiently now it shouldn't increase too much. But I suppose that depends on how you ride it.
Maybe after I have done a few more miles I will come back on here to give an update.

The K1300 like most if not all modern motorcycles runs very lean to make the emission numbers and fuel consumption better. I understand that some of the vibration we get is due to this lean running so I'll be interested to know if you think the bike runs a bit smoother even if it's at the expense of a slightly increased fuel consumption.
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Geebus, where can I get that done in the US?
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What gear did they do the baseline run in? It looks suspiciously like it was done in 3rd gear, which is restricted from the factory as are 1st and 2nd. I donít doubt you got a tremendous improvement with whatever they did, but you could get the same results with a booster plug and gear indicator spoof. But if they claim BMW canít detect the changes, they probably used the BMW factory software to remove the restrictions in gears 1-3 and tweaked the AFR. But with as few details as they gave you itís hard to know.

As for where to get a similar thing done in the USA? BrenTune and Rexxer will flash the ECU. A PowerCommander or Bazzaz box will do similar but requires an all day install. I donít recommend them, but MaxBMW claims to do similar to what your dealer claims to have done. Iím planning on going with the BrenTune.
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What gear did they do the baseline run in? It looks suspiciously like it was done in 3rd gear, which is restricted from the factory as are 1st and 2nd.

It's news to me that 1st, 2nd and 3rd are restricted ex factory. Where did you get that from?
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I had a booster plug fitted prior to taking it to HillTop but on their instructions removed before they did their bit. So I can without doubt say that the booster plug didn't improve the engine anything like as much.
I have a video of them doing the dyno and after the warm up the test was done in top gear on both runs.
This is their website with a little information on what the do.

http://hilltopmotorcycles.co.uk/

Having had a long chat with Geoff it seems there is a part of the ecu that is not used and which BMW is not licensed to access. It is this part of the ecu that HillTop put their software on which runs alongside the stock software. Therefore nothing is altered and BMW can't detect the additional software. He explained it as the additional software interacts with the ecu giving optimised fueling and ignition timing throughout the rev range.
Ewan McGregor and Charlie boardman took their GS to them prior to filming Long way Round. They work with British and world superbike teams as well.
I went out on it again today just for giggles, and its just a rocket ship...
With regard the vibration problem it has smoothed the bike out and it also idles very evenly now. I will come back on here to give an update on the fuel economy but I will willingly sacrifice a bit more fuel consumption for the improved performance.
Just as an aside for anyone not living in the UK, they apparently offer a service where you send them your ecu, they do their magic and send it back.You could even get a before dyno run done in your home country and then get another when the ecu has been returned?
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You could even get a before dyno run done in your home country and then get another when the ecu has been returned?

So Geoff WhereTheF*** do I find the ECU?
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It's news to me that 1st, 2nd and 3rd are restricted ex factory. Where did you get that from?

The K1200 and K1300 are both restricted in gears 1-3 and also top gear near top speed. The butterflies controlled by the ECU are prevented from opening all the way. Most bikes from all manufactures do this. Itís why doing dyno runs in 4th gear is customary. I forget where in found that bit of info for the K1300, but any of the tuners will confirm it for you. Itís why PowerCommander and Bazzaz both make a box that tricks the ECU into thinking itís in 3rd gear. The downside of this method is that your gear indicator on the dash will only ever show N or 4. That I got from Bazzaz when I was considering going with them.
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The K1200 and K1300 are both restricted in gears 1-3 and also top gear near top speed. The butterflies controlled by the ECU are prevented from opening all the way. .

The K1300s first 3 gears are limited by restricting the butterflies from opening to full throttle. This is achieved via a solenoid operated 'plunger' which is bolted to the throttle rail......simply undo 2 small bolts and remove the plunger from the rail but leave the electric plug connected to the plunger (this will prevent a fault code occurring).... use a cable tie to secure it out of the way. This 'mod' will not produce a fault code and full power will be available throughout all gears.
(I've done this to my K1300s, it works!!
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I understand (but don't agree with) the function to limit top speed as agreed to by manufacturers years ago. Does this air valve provide any other function such as traction control?
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Thinking about this, no codes.

https://brentuningmoto.com/product/bmw-k1300-2005-bmsk/
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