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Old 11-06-2018, 11:49 AM
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LED headlight, brightness OK, scope not that much

Changing the main H7 for a LED bulb did what it was supposed to do, I got a very bright illumination. Great!

Now it seems that I am mostly sending the beam just a couple meters ahead of the front wheel. It doesn't light the road ahead and when riding behind a car (yes I know I should not be behind, but this is for test purpose) I only illuminate the bottom of the back of the car. Also, I checked the pitch setting and it is set to normal.

Is this due to the LED producing light differently from the original H7? Are there different LED builds? My feeling is that the headlight reflecting panels are not sending back the illumination as with the original H7.

Did someone experience the same effect?
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Old 11-06-2018, 01:55 PM
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Re: LED headlight, brightness OK, scope not that much

Does your LED bulb have 2 or 3 sides to the design? I heard a while back that the 3 sided ones didn't work well with the K1300S oem reflectors.. but like motor oil.. opinions are all over the place.

Mine was a noticeable improvement over the oem H7...The brightness was at least 80%+ better and the throw maybe 25% better..

Here's my 2 sided bulb...
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Old 11-06-2018, 02:33 PM
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Does your LED bulb have 2 or 3 sides to the design?

It's a 1 side design! After you mentioned that I went to look. That might explain it. I'll get another one to compare.

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Old 11-06-2018, 03:30 PM
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Re: LED headlight, brightness OK, scope not that much

Never even seen a one-sided one... Me thinks that's your problem...
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Re: LED headlight, brightness OK, scope not that much

The bulbs that use only one side are built for use in projectorlens style headlights. So sorry, but those are no good in a reflector headlight as you only get 50% of the reflector illuminated.
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Re: LED headlight, brightness OK, scope not that much

Also the reflectors are designed around a filament length thatís very short compared the length of an LED bulb
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Also the reflectors are designed around a filament length thatís very short compared the length of an LED bulb
Not an issue if you get some of later gen led bulbs.
So a decent quality modern led bulb will give correct pattern from a reflector housing.
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Re: LED headlight, brightness OK, scope not that much

Gentlemen, I have a question. Is this switching from H7 to LED just about replacing the bulb or does one has to install other components like a ballast resistor?
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Gentlemen, I have a question. Is this switching from H7 to LED just about replacing the bulb or does one has to install other components like a ballast resistor?

It's only a matter of replacing the bulb. But... (there is always a but)

1. You need to make sure that the cable that come out of the lamp and connect to the original connector doesn't come with a too large casing, which needs to fit in the lamp compartment. Check the actual set as sometimes the pictures don't show that casing placed on the wire.

2. You need to make sure that the fan at the back end doesn't prevent to put the compartment cover back. I had to drill it and use black duct tape to close it allowing a couple millimeters additional space. See pic below.

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Re: LED headlight, brightness OK, scope not that much

The LED that Pirate is holding in the beginning of the thread, is one that another member has tried also and gives it good ratings. The write up at the vendor in Sweden says good things, it is completely self contained with its own fan and electronics, and the housing cover does not need to be cut. (from another post asking that question)
Possibly Mattias will expand here as he has in another post?
https://www.diodhuset.se/en/led-head...treme-focus-h7
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Re: LED headlight, brightness OK, scope not that much

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Changing the main H7 for a LED bulb did what it was supposed to do, I got a very bright illumination. Great!

Now it seems that I am mostly sending the beam just a couple meters ahead of the front wheel. It doesn't light the road ahead and when riding behind a car (yes I know I should not be behind, but this is for test purpose) I only illuminate the bottom of the back of the car. Also, I checked the pitch setting and it is set to normal.

Is this due to the LED producing light differently from the original H7? Are there different LED builds? My feeling is that the headlight reflecting panels are not sending back the illumination as with the original H7.

Did someone experience the same effect?

I know those with the LEDs from Pirates Lair are very happy. I have a set from Cyclops and they are fantastic. They have a new generation out and Iím going to upgrade the low beam. With only a single bulb for low vs two for high, it makes the low seem weak in comparison. My bulbs are 3200 lumens. The new ones are 4800 lumens. So I think it will give better balance. Also, they fit under the caps with no clearance problems.

Anyway, as with anything you get what you pay for. Itís always worth it going with a reputable source. As the old adage goes cry once but once.

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The LED that Pirate is holding in the beginning of the thread, is one that another member has tried also and gives it good ratings. The write up at the vendor in Sweden says good things, it is completely self contained with its own fan and electronics, and the housing cover does not need to be cut. (from another post asking that question)
Possibly Mattias will expand here as he has in another post?
https://www.diodhuset.se/en/led-head...treme-focus-h7
The review on the singlekit is made by me.

The bulbs are great and, at least for me and my bike, gave no lampf!.
The cutoff is spot on and they are brighter than halogen. And you are correct, no box on the cable to deal with, wich is a big +.
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Re: LED headlight, brightness OK, scope not that much

If anybody want's to try the bulb at the swedish vendor i could look into hepling with purchase and look up shipping.
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Re: LED headlight, brightness OK, scope not that much

You need a bulb that replicates the filament in a tungsten bulb as near as possible; a small narrow LED array, double sided and on a base that's as thin as possible.


This is what I have installed and it's brilliant.


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You need a bulb that replicates the filament in a tungsten bulb as near as possible; a small narrow LED array, double sided and on a base that's as thin as possible.


This is what I have installed and it's brilliant.


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Re: LED headlight, brightness OK, scope not that much

First thing I did after buying my K1300 was purchase the new Cyclops replacement LED's
(4800 lumens each). No pattern or throw problems with these kits. They do have the aux plug in module which has to fit inside the headlight assembly but there was no problem there and no clearance problem with the caps. These Cyclops bulbs (2 sided LED's) are brilliant white. I only use the brights on back country roads at night for the plentiful deer we have in Kentucky.
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the plentiful deer we have in Kentucky.

I had occasion to drive between Louisville and Hopkinsville on a regular basis. The Pennyrile sometimes looked like a slaughter house.
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Re: LED headlight, brightness OK, scope not that much

I agree! Big thumbs up for Cyclops!! Love mine, I have the 4800 lumens also.
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Re: LED headlight, brightness OK, scope not that much

There is a single row LED for sale on eBay and it does state that it is for low beam only. Perhaps you made the incorrect purchase for your high beam application
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Re: LED headlight, brightness OK, scope not that much

So who has gone from HID to LED and what comparisons can you provide? Certainly, the LED's moot the argument about using HID for high beam's with their long warm up time since LED's are essentially instant on.
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I had HIDs on a previous bike from DDM Tuning. The slow startup was only annoying when it was below 50F. But they put out a lot of heat. So I couldnít use the high power ones as they would melt the plastic reflector. The Cyclops LEDs run much cooler and like you said are instant on. Also, less stuff is needed to make them light up. It was a PITA mounting all the boxes for the HIDs.
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I had HID's on my Corvette and the warm up time was a big problem when going to brights because the low beams went out. Added bigger ballasts which improved the transition but was still to slow. LED's run cooler and are instant on. Not sure about the difference in bulb life but I have switched over to. LED's on all my motorcycles.
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Never even seen a one-sided one... Me thinks that's your problem...

Quick update. I have tried with double sided LEDs and voilŗ! Normal illumination as expected. Thanks for those who have indicated this could be the issue.

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Re: LED headlight, brightness OK, scope not that much

I have watched this bulb up grade plot for many years, larger watt output H7's, HID, First series of LED and now this generation of compact LED units. Seems things have gotten to the point that they are now easily used and superior. I guess I'm in. I like the one from Sweden, I may have to buy two to justify the shipping from Europe.
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By the way, there is another important point to consider. The error sent back by the bike when the wrong LED is used. They are not all compatible with the CANBUS. That's what happened with the model I showed above. Had to get another set which are compatible and doesn't trigger any error.

Faulty one: https://www.amazon.fr/gp/product/B07...?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Good one: https://www.amazon.fr/gp/product/B01...?ie=UTF8&psc=1

This is on the French Amazon, but I guess it can easily be found elsewhere.
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I got a set from Cyclops, up near Seattle.
Iím very happy with them. Two thumbs up.
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I agree! Big thumbs up for Cyclops!! Love mine, I have the 4800 lumens also.
Ditto on Cyclops... Hi and Low Beams. Great advice and service too.
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