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Old 09-01-2014, 05:04 PM
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Interesting Observation with M3's

My KS came with Metzelers - I've had them before and they are nothing special. This afternoon I went for a ride and noticed they are not affected by tar snakes at all.

I was on a road that I ride all the time - one particular section is really covered with tar snakes - my RR dances on these things - running Q2's. My other KS with Q3's and PR4's danced all over this section.

Yesterday I blasted through this on my RR and it wiggled and slipped like usual - the weather is almost a carbon copy of yesterday. I pretty much have grown use to the slip sliding through this section and just kind of go with the flow.

This section is several miles long so it was not a case of I just was not paying attention and did not notice it.

Coming back home I put a little more lean into the corners and nothing - rock solid. The tires themselves are not the greatest but for some reason they don't move on tar snakes.
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Old 09-01-2014, 05:18 PM
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Re: Interesting Observation with M3's

Maybe a brand new tyre thing?.......but I'm guessing by the time you headed back they were scrubbed in pretty good..... Tar snakes were hot and sticky?........ Got me puzzled Bruce.

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Old 09-01-2014, 05:20 PM
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Re: Interesting Observation with M3's

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Maybe a brand new tyre thing?.......but I'm guessing by the time you headed back they were scrubbed in pretty good..... Tar snakes were hot and sticky?........ Got me puzzled Bruce.

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These tires have just a little over 500 miles on them - so I don't think it has anything to do with age. If anything if the tires had say 20 miles on them and they were sliding all over the place I would agree that all the release agent had not worn off yet.
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Re: Interesting Observation with M3's

Bruce, I had the same experience with my M3's and like you said, they're nothing special kind of tires.
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Re: Interesting Observation with M3's

Mine also came with M3s, I recall them well. Compared to the PR3 and PR4 I have subsequently run they gave much better input back to the rider, especially the front. I thought they were a great tire. Flattened out in the middle very quickly though, both front and rear.
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Re: Interesting Observation with M3's

But for everything else the M3's are an inferior tire! I hated the ones that were on mine and changed them really quickly, under 2k miles. I had wanted to wear them out but I couldn't stand them.
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Re: Interesting Observation with M3's

Joe and Mike:

Both of you guys I would guess weigh at least 10 lbs. more than me?

I'm more inclined to lean in Mike's direction - again I certainly don't think they are the best - but they have been okay for me. As far as wearing them out I still must not have mastered smooth throttle control - I wear tires out on the KS as soon as 2,500 miles and I think the best was maybe 4,500 miles. I tend to ride the bike in the mid range rpm wise so off/on throttle produces a lot of wear on the rear tire.

Around here the roads are so much fun - to ride them relaxed - I do a lot - on my KLR and even then I can give fits to a few riders.

Getting back to the tar snakes - why do these tires not slide on that stuff?
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Re: Interesting Observation with M3's

Sounds like with a new bike your suspension is in tune from front to rear more so than on a suspension with lots of miles. The weight distribution in a corner is more evenly spread out and the bike controls "itself" better. I don't think a tar snake gives a crap what goes over it ( DON'T MOVE! a Metzeler M3 is coming LOL) but how it goes over it is the answer.
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Weight distribution should be around 60/40 a bike with worn in suspension may be heavier than it should be in the rear, while in a corner and the front is not in control as it should be
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Weight distribution should be around 60/40 a bike with worn in suspension may be heavier than it should be in the rear, while in a corner and the front is not in control as it should be
I don't know both my 2012 RR and my old 2013 KS - I doubt the suspension is/was worn. I just may for giggles take the M3's off the KS this week and put them on the RR just to see. Or put the Q2's from the RR on the KS and see what happens.
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I don't know both my 2012 RR and my old 2013 KS - I doubt the suspension is/was worn. I just may for giggles take the M3's off the KS this week and put them on the RR just to see. Or put the Q2's from the RR on the KS and see what happens.
I should have used the words "broken in" meaning your new bike may be a little stiffer than your other bike or is it possible your settings are just in the happy spot?
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Re: Interesting Observation with M3's

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Getting back to the tar snakes - why do these tires not slide on that stuff?

IMO is related to the rounded shape of the front tyre, associated with the constructive characteristic, M3 is a mono compound and others Q3 and PR multi, usually the multicompound tyre tends to form an edge between the hard (center) and soft (sides) compound interfase, and make a little "step". When you goes to the tar snakes, the tyre is not fully affirmed in whole profile and produces that movement. in M3 this step no exist and have better rounded profile.


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I should have used the words "broken in" meaning your new bike may be a little stiffer than your other bike or is it possible your settings are just in the happy spot?
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It could be - but I really think it is the tires. Will let you know after my experiment - I can swap the tires out pretty quick - why I should care I don't know - too much time on my hands at the moment I guess.
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It could be - but I really think it is the tires. Will let you know after my experiment - I can swap the tires out pretty quick - why I should care I don't know - too much time on my hands at the moment I guess.
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