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Is the 04 GT 30+ lbs heavier than the RS?

I've been looking up specs and it seems that the 04 GT is about 30+ lbs heavier than the 00 RS. Is this about right? I assume that is because of the saddle bags being standard equip, the electrics for the windshield, added air deflection plastics, larger rear wheel/tire, risers, etc..


I'm looking at these two bikes: 04 GT and a 00 RS.
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Is this about right?
I believe your assumption is right on. All of the stock equipment with the GT adds up to the extra weight gain over the RS.
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Re: Is the 04 GT 30+ lbs heavier than the RS?

The cruise control unit also adds weight.
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Re: Is the 04 GT 30+ lbs heavier than the RS?

Mechanically the two bikes are very much alike. The differences are in the nose piece of the fairing, and the GT having a much more upright riding position. The '00 model had a smaller nose piece of the fairing and much lower bars. The major drawback to the GT is the "iABS" brake system - servo assisted power brakes essentially, and if the servo ABS unit fails, the replacement part is $2,000+ from BMW and I'm aware of only one company in Germany that can reliably rebuild them for about $1000. The GT comes with color matching bags, the '00 might have bags if they were purchased and added on. The GT has cruise control, and if you've not ridden a bike with it you'll wonder how you will ever ride a bike without it, and a heated seat as well as heated grips (the heated seat might have been an option on the GT.) Yes the GT is heavier. I'd suggest you at least sit on each and if possible ride them to see on which you're more comfortable. Let us know what you come up with.
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Re: Is the 04 GT 30+ lbs heavier than the RS?

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I've been looking up specs and it seems that the 04 GT is about 30+ lbs heavier than the 00 RS. Is this about right? I assume that is because of the saddle bags being standard equip, the electrics for the windshield, added air deflection plastics, larger rear wheel/tire, risers, etc..


I'm looking at these two bikes: 04 GT and a 00 RS.

I wouldn’t let 30lbs. determine which bike you buy. What I would highly consider is the year, and that reason being that ‘04 was essentially the last year for that bulletproof motor. I’m pretty sure it was revised over the ‘00. I’ve heard of issues with the earlier motors, but not the ‘04. I’d also want that wider rear wheel.

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Re: Is the 04 GT 30+ lbs heavier than the RS?

Both bikes are in excellent original-owner condition.

The 00 RS has about 21K miles, selling for $3500. It comes with BMW hard bags (not standard). This bike would be a 5 hour round trip (with trailer) to purchase.

The 04 GT has about 13K miles, selling for $4800. This bike is about 30 mins from my house.

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One thing that bothers me about the 04 GT is that the owner has an after-market exhaust system installed (Remus). This is just me (I know, I'm weird) but I like my bikes to be bone-stock, especially the engine, intake, and exhaust.
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One thing that bothers me about the 04 GT is that the owner has an after-market exhaust system installed (Remus). This is just me (I know, I'm weird) but I like my bikes to be bone-stock, especially the engine, intake, and exhaust.

Both bikes seem priced a bit on the high side.

FWIW, the Remus exhaust will knock about 17lbs off the bike compared to stock, provide more clearance between the exhaust and the left bag (less likely to cook the bag and what might be inside it,) and sounds great IMO. Of course, if you want stock there are lots of them for sale for cheap on ebay.
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Re: Is the 04 GT 30+ lbs heavier than the RS?

As Jargon has said, I would go with the 2004! I had the 2004 RS great bike, but personally I think he’s outa his mind on the price. I’d say maybe $3500
These bikes are not holding any value anymore, two years ago when I bought my K1300 the dealer gave me $3000 for my perfect example RS, they had it on the floor for over a year asking $5000, never sold, then I saw it advertised for $3500 still didn’t sell, dont know what they ended up getting for it.
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Re: Is the 04 GT 30+ lbs heavier than the RS?

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Both bikes are in excellent original-owner condition.

The 00 RS has about 21K miles, selling for $3500. It comes with BMW hard bags (not standard). This bike would be a 5 hour round trip (with trailer) to purchase.

The 04 GT has about 13K miles, selling for $4800. This bike is about 30 mins from my house.

https://phoenix.craigslist.org/wvl/m...775902344.html
https://tucson.craigslist.org/mcy/d/...758006697.html
Go and take a look at the ‘04 with $4000 cash in hand. I doubt the owner would pass it up, especially after you show him some comps. For the age, mileage, additional upgrades over the KRS, I think the GT is worth the extra $.
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I just noticed its been one Craigslist for close to a month already! No takers at that price
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I just noticed its been one Craigslist for close to a month already! No takers at that price

Yes, I feel the 04 GT is over-priced but the 00 RS is about right -- for me. But buying the 00 RS means I have to make a 5+ hour round trip drive to purchase and pick up the RS with my trailer. It's a miserable drive too. All-in-all a royal PITA. Whereas the 04 GT is very close -- I can have my wife drop me off and drive it home in 30 minutes.

I really don't need another bike -- I have 6 at the moment. (Of course "need" and "want" are not the same thing.)
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If it hasn't been mentioned in this thread yet, the GT has an electrically adjustable windshield. I had a '04 KRS that I set up similar to the GT by adding the fairing wing extensions. I loved that bike and rode it on some seriously long trips. Buy the GT....
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If it hasn't been mentioned in this thread yet, the GT has an electrically adjustable windshield. I had a '04 KRS that I set up similar to the GT by adding the fairing wing extensions. I loved that bike and rode it on some seriously long trips. Buy the GT....

Question: ref the 04 GT: I hate looking thru a windshield. Will I be able to look over it? I'm 6'2".
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Question: ref the 04 GT: I hate looking thru a windshield. Will I be able to look over it? I'm 6'2".
Yes, but You can also get a lower, sport windshield for it by Ztechnic. I had one on my KRS and I’m the same height as you.

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Question: ref the 04 GT: I hate looking thru a windshield. Will I be able to look over it? I'm 6'2".

Jargon's reply is spot on. Did I mention that I loved my KRS?


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I've always loved the look of the RS. I think the only thing I dislike about it is the weight. But I've had heavier bikes -- a lot heavier.
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Question: ref the 04 GT: I hate looking thru a windshield. Will I be able to look over it? I'm 6'2".

By the way, the photos I posted above show my former KRS with a tall ZTechnic windshield. I'm 6-1 and had no problem looking over it. This windshield's slightly broader span near the top tend to move air around my shoulders thus giving me a cleaner riding space.
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I've always loved the look of the RS. I think the only thing I dislike about it is the weight. But I've had heavier bikes -- a lot heavier.

The KRS' weight worked for it while riding long distance. Case in point was a trip I took to SD on my ST3 last July. I nearly got blown off the road four or five times going through Wyoming and struggling to keep the Duc on the road left me physically exhausted. I love the ST3 but couldn't help but think as I leaned into the crosswinds how being aboard the KRS or my RT wouldn't have been a hell of a lot more enjoyable.


My LD trips aboard the KRS included windy stints through WY and especially KS and TX. The KRS handled all of them quite well and the cruise control made each trip a pure joy. That said, I never quite learned to ride the KRS through the twisties here in Colorado. Oh, it did just fine for the most part but putting a 600+ LB bike through its paces on the mountain roads here can take a physical toll, too.

I seem to recall you writing in an earlier post that you're not looking for a serious sporty bike, just a sport tourer, correct? If so that KGT you're looking at will more than fill the bill.
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I seem to recall you writing in an earlier post that you're not looking for a serious sporty bike, just a sport tourer, correct? If so that KGT you're looking at will more than fill the bill.
I'm pushing 70 yrs old. I've done all the cross-country trips and 1000-mile trips in my past. Nowadays I'm retired and I ride 4 mornings each week, every week of the year. But I only ride about 40-50 miles each trip and only in good weather. I've done enough rain, snow, sand, heat to give me lots of memories -- don't need or want to do that anymore. I'm just looking at the RS (or GT) because I've always wanted one. I've had 55 bikes in my 50+ years of riding -- I need a few more before that dirt nap.
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I'm pushing 70 yrs old. I've done all the cross-country trips and 1000-mile trips in my past. Nowadays I'm retired and I ride 4 mornings each week, every week of the year. But I only ride about 40-50 miles each trip and only in good weather. I've done enough rain, snow, sand, heat to give me lots of memories -- don't need or want to do that anymore. I'm just looking at the RS (or GT) because I've always wanted one. I've had 55 bikes in my 50+ years of riding -- I need a few more before that dirt nap.


Interesting. It was after the trip to SD aboard the ST3 that I realized the same thing. I'm 62 and it occurred to me that I don't need the "adventure" of rain, wind, hail, bird strikes, Hells Angel encounters, and other wannabe MC outlaws and more.

A month ago I bought a used Kendon 2 bike trailer which I plan to use for transporting my bikes to rallies and to escape the Colorado winter. In fact I'm planning to make my first trip to AZ sometime in the next two months to spend a few weeks on the K12s and the ST3.


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Good luck on your search and eventual purchase!

I'll update this thread. I'm leaning towards the 04 GT -- today. Who knows about tomorrow? I'm an idiot. Just ask my wife.
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I had a 2004 GT for 6 1/2 years. Until now i didnt know it weighed 40 pounds more. I traded it in for a 2018 RT. Loved my GT. Rode my friends 2000 RS and found it less comfortable and more wind noise than my GT. Felt a little more cramped, bent over more, it is more of a sport bike than the GT. I had bar back and risers that made it more comfy and a sargent seat. The stock seat sucked. GT is grand touring.
I think thats a high price for the RS.
In my opinion, the best choice is the GT. You will not notice the extra weight, you will notice the comfort difference.
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The GT has an awesome comfortable heated seat.
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One thing that bothers me about the 04 GT is that the owner has an after-market exhaust system installed (Remus). This is just me (I know, I'm weird) but I like my bikes to be bone-stock, especially the engine, intake, and exhaust.
Because I'm a giver, I'd be happy to trade you a stock takeoff that I've had boxed up here for a long time for your aftermarket Remus system. Only drawback might be the cost in shipping a full exhaust due to physical sizing.


Good Luck in your decision. I love the bikes, I'm on my third one over a 15 year span.
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Puma, let me assure you that admonitions about throwing such a "heavy bike" around in the tight turns do NOT apply to MattB. Whenever he blows by me, it appears weight is no factor at all. He just has a big grin on his face.
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Puma, let me assure you that admonitions about throwing such a "heavy bike" around in the tight turns do NOT apply to MattB. Whenever he blows by me, it appears weight is no factor at all. He just has a big grin on his face.
Tyson, you crack me up, but thank you for the compliment.

The weight is real, but it is a blissful bike to eat miles with on the street. I'm hoping to do another IBA run (would be my third on three different RS's) in the next year or two. Thinking of trying a redo of my Blue Ridge shenanigans for no other reason than to prove to myself that I still can.
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OK, I've decided to buy the 2000 K1200RS. I drive up to Phoenix on Saturday morning with my trailer. I will update this thread with "first ride" comments.
I thank everyone for their advice.
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And there's a really nice staintune exhaust in the classifieds that will bolt right up and remove another 13lbs.
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OK, I've decided to buy the 2000 K1200RS. I drive up to Phoenix on Saturday morning with my trailer. I will update this thread with "first ride" comments.
I thank everyone for their advice.

Congrats, let us know what you think when you've put some miles on it - one thing I notice it appears to have its stock rubber brake lines - if so I strongly recommend that you replace them either with a new stock set, or a set of stainless steel lines - the stock lines on a near 20 YO bike are known to crack, develop pinhole leaks, or otherwise just fail at inopportune moments leading to low grade entertainment. Contact the Pirate at www.pirateslair.net for a set of Spiegler stainless steel lines for your exact bike - $250 well spent.
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Congrats, let us know what you think when you've put some miles on it - one thing I notice it appears to have its stock rubber brake lines - if so I strongly recommend that you replace them either with a new stock set, or a set of stainless steel lines - the stock lines on a near 20 YO bike are known to crack, develop pinhole leaks, or otherwise just fail at inopportune moments leading to low grade entertainment. Contact the Pirate at www.pirateslair.net for a set of Spiegler stainless steel lines for your exact bike - $250 well spent.

That's been done -- two months ago. In the newer pictures I have you can see the stainless steel lines. I just can't upload that pic -- it's too large and I'm too lazy to crop it.
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The GT has an awesome comfortable heated seat.


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Rick, I compare the GT's comfort seat to a torture device. But that's just me. I "fixed" it using a fleabay RS seat.


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Although time consuming, it wasn't that difficult. If I tried this again I'd use foam from Sargent, which may actually happen, time permitting. The rebond foam is too soft and my sweety has a few complaints as well.


EDIT: And that's a really nice exhaust in the photos! I'm suprised that Staintune in the classifieds hasn't sold!
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First ride on my new (to me) 2000 K1200RS. Very nice. Very smooth. More than enough power with good handling, considering the weight.

One question . . . It was cool out for my 30 mile ride, about 65 degrees, and I was doing most of my riding around 50 MPH on back roads under 4000 RPM. The temp gauge got up to about three-fourths the way. Is this OK? The owner's manual states the temp should stay at the half-way mark, at the white line.
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First ride on my new (to me) 2000 K1200RS. Very nice. Very smooth. More than enough power with good handling, considering the weight.

One question . . . It was cool out for my 30 mile ride, about 65 degrees, and I was doing most of my riding around 50 MPH on back roads under 4000 RPM. The temp gauge got up to about three-fourths the way. Is this OK? The owner's manual states the temp should stay at the half-way mark, at the white line.
In my experience, "normal" is anywhere between the hash mark at halfway and the red, typically about the 75% as you state.


I find that the only way that any of mine (on the third) stayed near the halfway mark was if I was cruising lower RPM and in open air and in colder (sub 50*) temperatures.


I would check that both fans are working as these bikes tend to heat up rather quickly in traffic but if both fans are working it keeps mine out of the red.


Glad to hear that you seem to enjoy the bike.
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There are a few threads on the temp gauge if you do a search. For the temps and speed, it seems a tad high to me, but, eh, not a big deal as you are quite a ways from the red. But before you ride it in truly hot weather or in slow traffic, you may wish to pull the radiators and clean them really well to be sure air flow is good, or be less ambitious like me and just use a hose from the rear to rinse stuff out (no high pressure...carefully use a tiny pick to clean stuff out). Again, several threads about this, esp by PBEgan as I recall.
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One question . . . It was cool out for my 30 mile ride, about 65 degrees, and I was doing most of my riding around 50 MPH on back roads under 4000 RPM. The temp gauge got up to about three-fourths the way. Is this OK?

Did you go through a few towns or was it all on the highway?
Found this picture of my temp gauge when riding at a steady speed.
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Did you go through a few towns or was it all on the highway?

It wasn't real steady. Some stop and go. I'll update this thread after my next ride. I have 7 bikes so it may be a week or two before I ride it again. Thanks.
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It wasn't real steady. Some stop and go. I'll update this thread after my next ride. I have 7 bikes so it may be a week or two before I ride it again. Thanks.

Just went for a ride, which included the interstate for a few miles. The temp gauge was sitting just below the mid-mark. It was kind of cool out -- around 65 degrees. So, temp looks nominal.

Thanks for the replies about the temp gauge.
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Just went for a ride, which included the interstate for a few miles. The temp gauge was sitting just below the mid-mark. It was kind of cool out -- around 65 degrees. So, temp looks nominal.

Thanks for the replies about the temp gauge.

Let it idle on the stand until the gauge is at just about at my pinstripe position?



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Even in very hot weather in the 110-115F needle doesn't go much beyond my pinstripe and the temp spec at which the fans come on is in the manuals. So much said back then online about cooling deficiencies.....I ignored them all.As long as my fans keep running I am just fine with that operating temp.

My bike is getting old and one fan seized on me a while back.Taken apart and fixed,$0.00 repair has held up rather well but still when I see the needle up at the stripe I reach down and feel to make sure the fans are running.

If I recall some of the early fans were either defective or could seize up early?If I remember the better (?) updated fans would have a small green round sticker on them vs earlier ones with a different color sticker?My 03 came with the green stickered fans.
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