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Re: HID light installation, '02 K1200RS

Thx for all the details.

This is on my "to do" list a.s.a.p.!

What globes to I need for the replacement of the 2 main beams on my '07 K12GT, .... H3's??
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Just noticed the DDM website only wants $20 for these now. WOW. I just paid that for a silverstar a couple weeks ago. D'oh!!!!!
...Think its one of the best deals you can ever come across...Im always buying silver stars for the wife....I told her to save your money and go HID...she is thinking
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...........What globes to I need for the replacement of the 2 main beams on my '07 K12GT, .... H3's??


You can check the manual to be sure, but my GT has H7s.
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Agreed on the experience of quickly going back to the high beam if it's been on for a while. Since the lamp comes up to near full brightness when first switched on, and then fades and re-brightens, I doubt this is a temperature issue. This has the feel of a cap somewhere needing to re-charge and not getting enough power to do it quickly. If I had a spare ballast unit, I might pull it apart... Hmmm.... is $20 worth it?

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You should have a surprise when you 'pull it apart'.

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I was thinking one of these days about a posibility to have both low and high beam xenon, and working, and flashing....
So I thought of replacing the H3 high beam halogen with a H4 bixenon. (Maybe disconnect the low beam, or even replace it with H7 xenon, but I think this could be tooooo much light). I know that the socket is not the same, but I am sure that it can be done. It's facing forward, so there are no mirrors like the low beam, so it can easily be adjusted.
So, What do you think?
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Not really sure what you could achieve?

The lamp reflectors for the low and main beam on K bikes work like two separate headlamps in one housing. Look straight on and you see the high beam in its own reflector 'cell'. Look lower down and you can see how the low beam illuminates. When you look at the BMW lamp holder (particularly the H3) I think you will find it mechanically challenging to change anything, whilst keeping the beam aim legal.

So you can't put a dual lamp in the high beam position and make it correctly focus to low beam, neither can you make the low beam position focus like a high beam.

About the only thing you could gain from a dual lamp in either position is the ability to flash. But remember the life of an expensive and hard to change lamp could then be determined by the tungsten part of it. The handlebar controls would also have to be re-worked so the flash switch is reserved only for the tungsten part of the bi xenon.

In all of this, a dual lamp still has to have the arc in the same place as the H3. All you gain is the ability to flash. Since I now consider flashing to be interpreted in different ways and might kill me, I don't want to do it much anyway.

I haven't thought much about it, but if you were able to uprate the parking lamp to a photoflash tube and lose the front parking lamp facility, you could get some pretty bright flashes! I've actually thought about doing that for the turn signals.
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As I said, I did not give it too much thought. Also I don't know how the bixenon works. Just know that the beam moves up and down weahter you want low or high beam. The main power could be taken from the low beam wires, and for the switching could be used the 12 volt wire that comes to the standard high beam. As for the phisical instalation.... if no other sollution, by being depressed against the back cover.
About the gain. Not only the flashing (which I consider kind of important, cause I uset it often to signal the ones I overcome. Which I consider to be safer), but also constant light (not with 2 diffrent colours)
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................The lamp reflectors for the low and main beam on K bikes work like two separate headlamps in one housing.

Each has its own defined beam pattern!
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I remember reading in some manual that if your low beam halogen burns, adjust the high beam to a lower position, and you got some low beam. Anyway, it was just an idea that crossed my mind. Nevermind it!
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Probably the most likely path to be productive is to investigate why the lamps don't flash on immediately. Sounds like a fun project for an EE.
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Probably the most likely path to be productive is to investigate why the lamps don't flash on immediately. Sounds like a fun project for an EE.
The initial arc to ignite the gas is bright and then fades as the gas is excited. It warms 4-5 sec it comes on to full brightness. somethin like that
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My DDM High Beam comes up right away from a cold start.
Maybe the company changed ballasts.


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Re: HID light installation, '02 K1200RS

Thanks for the tutorial and pictures for the install.

Went very well. I was able without a problem to to it without pulling out the front end and lighting box assembly. Just took the left tupperware and had enough room to work.

On my older RS, a 98, there is no cruise control and more room. I drilled a small hole for the relay and put a tie wrap.
I screwed the ballast on the radiator deflector, 3 small screws,




I drilled the hole for the wires on the plastic cover, using the circle already jigged on the right side of the hole. It puts the wiring coming out a little offside therefore giving a little room for the new HID bulb behind.

It fits perfect and I am sure I would be able to change the high beam H3 without pulling it all out. I did put a little dab of Goop glue. It can be easily pulled off but it does make for a better seal.



It was real easy to do.
I got my kit, 2 lights, small ballasts, 6000 K, for $40 delivered at home on Ebay.
I paid more for 2 PIIA bulbs in the past. Way more.

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hello!!! So, finally it was time for my upgrade! So, now I own HID low beam lights. I wanted to post this just to mention that I did not take down any fairings at all. Just the lid of the headlight unit. The bulb came in place very easy. As I learned here, I put a hole in that lid (for some reason I made it on the lower side, not upper). After I connected the 2 wires, came the hardest part, which took me about 5 minutes. I has a very hard time replacing the lid with the wires atached. After that, plugged in the ballast, secured it with plastic ... thingies (can quite remember now what are they called), under the ingnition and that's all. It was a 15 minute job. I couldn't have done it so fast if I did not read this post before to familiarize myself with the components etc.
What I must mention is that I have only 1 box (ballast) instead of 2 (which I saw in you pictures). That made things easier. I chose this place for the ballast so the wires will not be bended by my steering. (only hope it's waterproof) Hahaha!
Pics below, hope my experience helps, and thanks for your instructions!
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Re: HID light installation, '02 K1200RS

I realize this is an old thread but still useful as ever. I got my HID kit in the mail the other day, pull the plastic off the bike, pulled the headlamp assy and took it down stairs to my work bench, swapped out the HID bulb, modified the cover, I found it perfectly easy enough to notch my hole with a pair of nibblers so that's what I did.

Got it back out to the bike, reconnected, hit the key and... evidently the bike is smarter than me, oh yeah, gotta reconnect the headlight plug too! Reconnect the headlight plug, hit the key and woohoo we have light!

Thanks for the walk through CJS, much appreciated, so much easier when someone who has been there done that illustrates the process.

Plus now I have the 55w bulb the PO installed removed so less stress on the wiring.
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Good for you. A much better light at night.
This is what I like about this great forum.

This post also helped me last year. This is why we have a search tool.

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Even at the older higher prices and with the HID lamp lasting the life of the bike, I do not know why people still bother with the hyped up tungsten lamps which take lots of juice and burn up headlight ground leads.
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I think I may have somewhat unintentionally solved the tendency of the HID HI beam of throwing a very long pencil beam way too far ahead.

Been like that for a year.

More tests reguired but I have a Lo beam cut off switch so can run the Hi on its own.

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hello!!! So, finally it was time for my upgrade! So, now I own HID low beam lights. I wanted to post this just to mention that I did not take down any fairings at all. Just the lid of the headlight unit. The bulb came in place very easy. As I learned here, I put a hole in that lid (for some reason I made it on the lower side, not upper). After I connected the 2 wires, came the hardest part, which took me about 5 minutes. I has a very hard time replacing the lid with the wires atached. After that, plugged in the ballast, secured it with plastic ... thingies (can quite remember now what are they called), under the ingnition and that's all. It was a 15 minute job. I couldn't have done it so fast if I did not read this post before to familiarize myself with the components etc.
What I must mention is that I have only 1 box (ballast) instead of 2 (which I saw in you pictures). That made things easier. I chose this place for the ballast so the wires will not be bended by my steering. (only hope it's waterproof) Hahaha!
Pics below, hope my experience helps, and thanks for your instructions!

That is approximately the same install as my DDMs.
The DDMs have 2 Ballasts, and 2 Relays.
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I think I may have somewhat unintentionally solved the tendency of the HID HI beam of throwing a very long pencil beam way too far ahead.

Been like that for a year.

More tests reguired but I have a Lo beam cut off switch so can run the Hi on its own.


I think you are showing the glass lamp envelope off center. I don't know how you modded your holder. I drilled two pairs of parallel small holes through the holder and inserted 2 short lengths of piano spring wire. My lamp stays aligned, but it makes no difference, you will still get a long pencil beam, it is just that you can see it more with a HID lamp.

Have a look up front at the main beam reflector and the front lens pattern. You are unlikely to get much beam spread with it. I bet if you replaced the tungsten and turned off the low beam, you would see the same pattern but dimmer. It just shows that they have to keep the low beam lit when on high beam for the system to work.
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Bulb is just angled down a little.Have to wait for the snow to melt to doublecheck on what I noticed last year.
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Here is my version of the Hi beam HID installation. Hope it helps someones installation.
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So, after 4 years, this thread is still providing good guidance. I just did my low-beam with the kit from Pirate's and did it without removing the headlight assembly. My biggest problem was that my spring clip(s) holding the H7 bulb in place did not want to clip in. I don't know whether I had previously deformed them before or not, though I remember prior bulb replacements indicating a similar problem. The plastic flange for the HID is a tad thicker than the metal flange on the halogens, so I had to use needle nose pliers to spread the part that curves back in order to allow the wire to clip into its slot. I have never used a high watt bulb in the H7 slot before, but the resin material above and below the hole for the bulb appeared to possibly be deformed by excess heat, (bending the wire was preferrable to replacing the entire unit at $535.) Other than that, it was pretty much a breeze. Still have yet to ride it at night, but I look forward to the additional light this conversion should bring. (no pics since there are so many good ones already in the thread.)
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I installed DDT Tuning HID's in our '90 VW Westphalia (pop-top camper). In the Westy community, HID's is de debil! A couple of people in particular rant about how evil these lights are, and one even brags about reporting "bad lights" to LEO. Sad, really sad... But there is one point out of all the ranting that's worth paying attention to: be sure the light is aimed properly. It's harder, on a bike, to get it exactly right, but getting it wrong is rude to other folks and, worse, may mean a blinded driver nails you!
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Thanks RBE for the instructions. Changed out the pitiful OEM low beam last night. Your thread was invaluable in helping me perform the procedure with a minimum of stress; unbelievably, there was no cussing at all. Still need to mount the ballast boxes, they are currently temporarily mounted to center support beam with tie-wraps. Going to mount on the air intake but will look in marine supply stores before committing to the 3M product. Have had real good experience with marine grade components such as shrink wrap, unbelievable stuff, super quality.
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Go with the 3M "fingers" on the shelf on the left (clutch) side. It's stable and maybe a touch drier than some other places. I know about shrink wrap (although I use a canvas cover for our boat). I'm not sure how you'd use it here. IMHO, "marine grade" often means "street stuff with a charge for the six letters M - A - R - I - N - E.
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RBE, I miswrote. I meant heat shrink tubing. Picked some up at a boat place and it was much more robust than what you would find at an electronics store. Plus it had a gluey substance inside. In this application, didn't have any 2:1 heat shrink tubing but the substance inside provided an adequate seal. I'll try the 3M product, worse case if it doesn't adhere well, the backing glue can be adhanced with some other 3M product. Bottom line, I can now drive at night without wondering what's greater than 20 feet down the road.

On a side note, I see you live in Skippack. I grew up across the creek in Trappe. My brother still lives there. Nice area, especially on the edge of the high density zone, always liked 73 & 29, two nice riding roads
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Heat shink tubing... that makes more sense. Agreed that adhesive shrink tubing makes a better seal. FWIW, if you're in no hurry, order from places like Mouser and Digi-key. They handle heat shrink tubing in any size, color, etc.

Er, sad news... 29 has lost most of its fun and 73 isn't far behind, except for a stretch from Zieglersville to Gilbertsville and parts of the stretch north of Boyertown into the Reading area. OTOH, there's a twisty piece of road from... ah... but that would be telling, wouldn't it?
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Finally had a chance to run at night with the HID upgrade. What a difference! Although the moon was full and there was no cloud cover, the moon was low in the sky. Part of the ride went through Salmon River State Forest: no streetlamps and a partial canopy, very dark. The low beam illuminated a decent distance such that I never felt I was over driving the lights as far as braking was concerned. The beam was spread such that both curbs were lit at a distance and close, good for identifying critters. Am curious about the impact on the other drivers but did not get any indication from them of any issues. Overall, very satisfied with the modification, a definite step increase in night time driving confidence. Can only provide more quality saddle time.
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Heh heh heh... Great safety item, eh? Just be sure you've tweaked the aiming slightly to the lower right of the bike's centerline. Nothing like a blinded driver coming the other way to ruin your ride.
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Just got done with the HID upgrade. Pretty easy. Gotta love it when there are no extra parts/bolts left over

Ill take it out for an early morning ride tomorrow(couple tequila shots tonight) to see how well it lights up.
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Just finished the Pirates Bay HID kit installation on the Marrakech Express.

Took about 4 hours including a run to Home Depot for a 1" drill bit.

Didn't have to remove the whole light assembly (as on the 2002 and later). Also, the hole was drilled into the lower half of the cover (not upper half as shown on 2002 and later).

Note, the faring was already off the bike, and that allowed me to locate a handy spot to mount the ballast on the horizontal flap of the inner faring--right above the left radiator. I've seen some unusual mounting solutions in this thread--see picture below for mine. Note: I used four cork stick-ons as mounting feet to allow for some air-flow under the ballast.

What took me so long is I did a brief mock-up of the ballast installation using a cardboard template. Then, practiced each of the installation steps before actually doing the job.

I make this sound tougher than it seems, but just wanted to remind people its not the 1/2 hr. job that other's might suggest.

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Just finished the Pirates Bay HID kit installation on the Marrakech Express.

Took about 4 hours including a run to Home Depot for a 1" drill bit.

Didn't have to remove the whole light assembly (as on the 2002 and later). Also, the hole was drilled into the lower half of the cover (not upper half as shown on 2002 and later).

Note, the faring was already off the bike, and that allowed me to locate a handy spot to mount the ballast on the horizontal flap of the inner faring--right above the left radiator. I've seen some unusual mounting solutions in this thread--see picture below for mine. Note: I used four cork stick-ons as mounting feet to allow for some air-flow under the ballast.

What took me so long is I did a brief mock-up of the ballast installation using a cardboard template. Then, practiced each of the installation steps before actually doing the job.

I make this sound tougher than it seems, but just wanted to remind people its not the 1/2 hr. job that other's might suggest.


I have never seen an idea that is too good to copy! This picture tells me exactly what I need to know for my personal "Marrakech Express". Thanks!

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Excellent thread, hope someone can still help. I installed the DDM low beam HID on my 03 GT a few years ago-very easy plug and play. Working on the high beam replacement now. Lots of work but good guidance on this forum. Last issue is where to hook the red and black wires from the DDM kit (they wind up inside the headlight case, passing thru the grommet along with the 2 black wires to the HID bulb). On the bike, I believe brown is the ground an white goes to the switch?

Any advice is appreciated. Also posting to K-bikes.com. DDM does not have instructions for this particular installation.
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Re: HID light installation, '02 K1200RS

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Excellent thread, hope someone can still help. I installed the DDM low beam HID on my 03 GT a few years ago-very easy plug and play. Working on the high beam replacement now. Lots of work but good guidance on this forum. Last issue is where to hook the red and black wires from the DDM kit (they wind up inside the headlight case, passing thru the grommet along with the 2 black wires to the HID bulb). On the bike, I believe brown is the ground an white goes to the switch?

Any advice is appreciated. Also posting to K-bikes.com. DDM does not have instructions for this particular installation.

For the original H3 high beam bulb, easy to follow the small wire from H3 bulb and see where it leads - into a small plastic junction in middle of headlight - this is the High-beam positive. Hopefully DDM instruction probably told you which is their positive (Red I suppose...)

For the high-beam ground it is a bit more tricky - look at attached picture:
Down below the metal copper tab at bottom of headlight, you have 2 brown wires connected to metal tab. if you follow them up, one of these goes to the LOW-BEAM connector, the other one gets lost inside toward location where the main External wire harness is connecting to headlight (on the outside).

So, you job is to piggy-back into one if these 2 ground (the one leading to main wire harness connector). You can either slice into and weld another wire or buy a double Spade connector that will leave room for the DMM connection. In fact, in your high-beam DDM setup, the ground into the copper hook is redundant as all you need is to have all 3 wires together:
- brown from main external harness
- brown leading to low beam
- new DDM ground for high-beam
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Many thanks, just what I needed. Unfortunately, DDM doesn't provide any instructions for this set-up. Everything I learned was from this thread. Thanks to all.
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Hello colleagues!
Just replacing the halogen lamp with a xenon does not radically change the lighting. I went on. Installed in the headlamp of its KRS1200 bi-xenon lens. The illumination of the road has improved at times.

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On top and bottom of the reflector, put metal plates 1.5 mm thick, so as not to crush the plastic reflector.





I spread them out with the help of pins and nuts. In the first variation, the attachment of the lens broke the reflector.



The bi-xenon lens was stretched using hooks with a thread inside the reflector.













That's what happened.



Do not paste the glass until you adjust the direction of the light beam of the lens directly on the motorcycle. Glue the glass best on butyl sealant.



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lots of interesting info on the DDM setup. Has anyone tried the bulbs offered by Headlight Experts? They claim Plug and Play. Ballasts are offered as an optional add-on for $10 each. $99 for a pair of H-3s and another $99 for a pair of H-7s with lifetime warranties. Also living in deer country so a brighter TOTALLY RELIABLE setup would be very neat. I'm willing to spend the money but don't want to have heating issues and don't want to have major construction issues either.
Their web site is at www.headlightexperts.com. TIA, Rileous.
P.S. They look way too big in their pictures, hence my concerns.
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Plug & Play into? An existing HID set up?

Got over 1500 hrs on my DDM Lo before it burned out.Replaced with the better bulbs they now offer.Reliability sure hasn't been a concern of mine.

1500 hrs at average 50mph?That's a lot of miles.

Plug & Play any of them? Not exactly.Better Voltage at the ballasts with a relay setup.

Met a couple yesterday.New to them 2004 K1200GT.Had to go to a shop on the road for an OEM bulb replacement.$$$$$?????
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