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Old 08-06-2014, 08:06 PM
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Changing bulbs for LEDs in the instrument cluster

I had two burnt bulbs in my instrument panel and it definitely bugged me. One at the gear/clock LCD display, and the other at the engine temp gauge. I had a few extra LEDs from my R1150GSA project, so I decided to change a few other old bulbs. Being LEDs, the next change will probably be in 10 years. The job would take under 15 minutes if it weren't for this &?%$#$@$?&% clip on the rear pivot. Even with my agile fingers, it was a bitch. I used an IKEA "hook" to pull it.

You will probably need to order LEDs first

Regular LED outputs 5 Lumens
http://www.superbrightleds.com/morei...edge-base/226/

High Power LED oututs 10 Lumens (preferable if you like colored light, otherwise a colored regular LED might be too dim in the tacho and speedo)
http://www.superbrightleds.com/morei...edge-base/227/

Now let's start working. I removed the side covers. No way around. Small Tork bit required.



Then you can see a bolt on each side of the instrument panel, with 10mm hex head. remove the bolts.





Theorically, until this step. you only wasted 3 minutes of your life. But that's when shit starts happening. At the back of the cluster, there's a steel pin held in a rubber grommet by a clip. Good luck. Try to insert a hand and with your fingers and locate the damn clip. The clip has a lip. Try to rotate the clip so that the lip is at the bottom. Then using a "hook", try pulling down the clip.



After the whole job will be done, do not forget to reinstall that clip with the lip aiming forward. If you don't, then it will be quasi impossible to remove it on your next job. ;-(



The pin and the rubber grommet, set free after the clip is removed. That's basically the only challenge in the process.







This rubber sockets holds the bulb for the engine temp



The one at the bottom is for the clock and gear display.



I put the key in the ON position after I pulled both bulbs to confirm they were dead. Use a small crocodile plier to gently pull the rubber sockets. None worked. So I did find the correct burnt bulbs.



Left is burnt bulb. Right is wedge LED that costs $1.19 each - Get 10. I had a few spares. White and not the high power units. I bought them from www.superbrightleds.com

http://www.superbrightleds.com/moreinfo/226/

You can experiment with coloured leds. Amber, red, blue, green. I prefered white.



I fitted them with the ignition key still at ON. If the LED doesn't illuminate, it is because it was fitted with the wrong polarity. Just flip them in the socket.



While I was there, I changed three more. The two for the speedo and tacho, as well as one for the fuel level. Those were still working, but on their way out as can be seen.



I refitted the cluster. Putting that clip back will be an even more PITA job. be patient.

Now it looks like that and everything works.



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I had two burnt bulbs in my instrument panel and it definitely bugged me. One at the gear/clock LCD diosplay, and the other at the engine temp gauge. I had a few extra LEDs from my R1150GSA projects, so I decided to change a few other old bulbs. Being LEDs, the next change will probably be in 10 years. The job would take under 15 minutes if it weren't for this &?%$#$@$?&% clip on the rear pivot. Even with my agile fingers, it was a bitch. I used an IKEA "hook" to pull it.
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LEE,
Thanks for the nice tutorial. Although I really do not like to ride at night anymore, I might have to go to there change the same bulbs soon, just in case I get caught coming late from a ride one day...

I am surprised that you could remove that damn clip without removing the whole front fairing above headlight. Many years ago, I removed the whole front fairing to clean and grease the screen pivot mechanism (during boring winter months). At that point, from what I saw, I had assumed that what you did was impossible (remove clip from the driver side with fairing in place).

Awaiting the night pictures of the "improved" instruments cluster ;-)
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Re: Changing bulbs for LEDs in the instrument cluster

Lee, what would be the downside of not re-installing that clip? Are the 2 10mm bolts sufficient?

And thanks for the tutorial!
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Lee, what would be the downside of not re-installing that clip? Are the 2 10mm bolts sufficient?
the cluster would be shaky...
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Re: Changing bulbs for LEDs in the instrument cluster

Great tutorial Lee! I made it a sticky.
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Re: Changing bulbs for LEDs in the instrument cluster

Not to hijack his great tutorial, but to add info to it, I found a picture with notes I did about the bulb position on back of instrument cluster. The indicated bulbs are only for back lighting - the other warning bulbs (in 2 rows) are not displayed as they are somewhat self-explanatory by looking at front.
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Not to hijack his great tutorial, but to add info to it, I found a picture with notes I did about the bulb position on back of instrument cluster. The indicated bulbs are only for back lighting - the other warning bulbs (in 2 rows) are not displayed as they are somewhat self-explanatory by looking at front.
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Re: Changing bulbs for LEDs in the instrument cluster

Some Q's: 1) Are the backlight bulbs the same as the bulbs for the warning lights? 2) If so, do you get blu for hi-beam, red for ABS, etc or would the be white bulbs behind colored lenses? 3) I'm now excited about superwhite, blue or red...I saw a pic of a red dash- anyone try blue?

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Re: Changing bulbs for LEDs in the instrument cluster

1- Yes
2- Stick to white bulbs. Color will come from the colored plastic cover
3- red and blue lights have exciting or calming effects on your brains. Color will impact you on long night rides. You don't want to fall asleep ;-) Which is why I stuck to white.
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Re: Changing bulbs for LEDs in the instrument cluster

Did the same thing (in RED), also have BLUE to try in the future.
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Did the same thing (in RED), also have BLUE to try in the future.


The same wattage bulb in red or blue will be dimmer than in white. I tested some amber LEDs on my 1150GSA and it was too dim. My recommendation if going for a colored LED is to pick the HP variant of the leds. They output 10 Lumens vs 5 Lumens for the regular units. The front headlamp parking light could be a white HP LED.

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The RED's I used are fine for me..not overly bright, nor too dim. Ride year round, and have no trouble seeing the gauges during those dark times.
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The RED's I used are fine for me..not overly bright, nor too dim. Ride year round, and have no trouble seeing the gauges during those dark times.

For these RED LED, could you please give: supplier + part number ?
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Was wondering if anyone tried going blue & would post a pic.
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Some Q's: 1) Are the backlight bulbs the same as the bulbs for the warning lights? 2) If so, do you get blu for hi-beam, red for ABS, etc or would the be white bulbs behind colored lenses? 3) I'm now excited about superwhite, blue or red...I saw a pic of a red dash- anyone try blue?

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1) Same-o, same-o. The LED's on the clocks are dimmed somewhat because they don't shine directly through a lens as the tell-tale (warning) lights do. The difference isn't worth worrying about.
2)WTDT. All of the clocks are lit with red LED's. The blue LED for the high beam is, IMHO, too bright, even with the high beam up (well, gee!). Rather than spending a lot of time mucking about with how to dim the LED, I just live with it. Ditto for the yellow SET LED for the cruise control. During the day, a bright SET light is a good thing. At night? Not so much. I cope. The green LED's are fine and there's nothing wrong with a screaming red LED behind a "your ABS is toast" tell-tale.

But...!!! Do not, not , not put any LED in the charge or battery light!!! For some reason, which reading the wiring diagram doesn't reveal, the charging "idiot light" and the neutral tell-tale are tied together, sort of. The current drawn by an incandescent lamp (the LED draws about 1/10 of the original lamp's draw) is enough to keep the neutral light from going on when the engine speeds up and the bike is in gear. Put in an LED, and the neutral light comes on when the bike is not in neutral. Do not change this lamp for an LED (well, OK, do it and watch the pretty lights confuse you). ADDED: Yes, you can add a load resistor to allow the use of a LED for the charge tell-tale. But... it'll have to handle about 4 watts (read "big dam' thing") and the current will be (surprise!!!!) the same as the incandescent lamp. I guess the only win is LED's typically last for up to 50,000 hours of use (call it five years of non-stop use), put you'll have that stupid resistor hanging out, messing up the wiring and generally ruining your life. Forget the LED here.

3) Blue's good. Green's good. Red's good. Yellow... meh, too much like the color of ear wax - or maybe recycled beer.

In general, though, stick with red or blue. Our eyes work best with green light; red or blue aren't perceived as being as bright as a green light. But don't go nuts with brightness. All of these LED's are brighter than the peanut bulbs behind the clocks now.
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Hey Lee, my only comment looking at your pics and the low odo reading is that you obviously do not spend enough time riding your bike. Man like you should have heaps of K's on his ride
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As for people wanting to know how a cluster looks with red, green or blue LEDs.
https://www.google.ca/search?q=instrument+panel+led+lights&client=firefox-a&hs=xcc&rls=org.mozilla:frfficial&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa =X&ei=p0PkU_bBN4_-yQSdooGIAQ&ved=0CAgQ_AUoAQ
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What a great how to!

Good job bud (but not surprised... )
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Where did ya go? Nice setup!

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HOLY CRAP... a lot of mileage in a short time. I cannot follow you on days like that - 500 KM a day is good enough for me now when done in multiple days like you did.

How did that AF-XIED oxygen sensor adjuster did in terms of behavior and mileage ?
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Er, massive topic drift...
You are 100% correct. And in a few days, I will remove all the irrelevent posts and edit posts that are not "on the subject" ;-) .
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You are 100% correct. And in a few days, I will remove all the irrelevent posts and edit posts that are not "on the subject" ;-) .

No need... nice to do more than one thing at a time...

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No need... nice to do more than one thing at a time...

one stone.. two birds

Good thread!

I agree. I don't mind when threads go off topic although it's a bitch trying to find off topic subject matter down the track.
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Here is the dash with standard blue LED's.

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Here is the dash with standard blue LED's.

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Trent,
Thanks for the picture and update. I am assuming you bought the LED from same place as previously posted.

By the way, although I rarely ride at night, last week I closed garage lights to see if my K1200RS instruments bulbs were still working. Amazing but since 2002 and 85,000 miles (bought bike new) the same factory old bulbs are all working - keep in mind they are always on as the k1200RS does NOT have light sensor to shut them off during day.

I do all my maintenance, so there is no way anyone else has ever replaced these instrument bulbs. However, I had to replace headlight bulbs in same period (2 low beam and 1 high beam).
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IMPORTANT UPDATE:

To get the clip back on behind the instrument cluster, what I did was take the cluster off, put the circlip on the rubber thingy where it goes enough to hold it there, put the cluster back on holding it with my left hand and my right hand behind...then I pushed the pin up with one of my right fingers. Seemed to have worked!

EDIT: I just realized that the clip probably needs to go directly on the metal pin and not over the rubber like I probably did it. Everything seems fine as long as it doesn't fall off!

I was going to just leave the clip off, but then changed my mind as it did seem to be a little jiggly. (I put it on before test riding it.)


After a 5 min night ride: Definitely a lot of blue! (Cool though)

I understand that there will be very few out there with burned-out bulbs. There's probably a couple who may want to try a red or blue look anyway, just to change things up.
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Oh yeah- yes, bulbs recommended in the origional post above, standard brightness is what I went with.
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By the way, although I rarely ride at night, last week I closed garage lights to see if my K1200RS instruments bulbs were still working. Amazing but since 2002 and 85,000 miles (bought bike new) the same factory old bulbs are all working - keep in mind they are always on as the k1200RS does NOT have light sensor to shut them off during day.

I do all my maintenance, so there is no way anyone else has ever replaced these instrument bulbs. However, I had to replace headlight bulbs in same period (2 low beam and 1 high beam).

Same here Sailor, no one has ever touched the oem bulbs until I changed them out for the same items. However all the oem bulbs were rather black and gave poor light compared to the replacements which were a big improvement. I replaced my first low beam earlier this year when it blew, and bikes here are hard wired lights on. I did however take the opportunity to change out the tail/stop light bulb as preventative measure this winter. I have also fitted clear GT turn signal lenses all round and it makes a HUGE aesthetic improvement. I have always disliked the yellow lenses, but took years to finally change them
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I have now put more miles on with my blue dash. The 5 Lumen bulbs I went with are bright enough at night, but it seems like I'd enjoy things more if they were maybe 20% brighter. My advice would be, for those going red or blue to spend the extra $6 and get 5 of 5 lumen and 5 of the 10 lumen, then check out each method in the dark before putting everything back together. Since the only real challenge is that little clip, you could put everything back except for the clip and ride a while and make sure. My 2 cents.

PS: I bought 10 bulbs, but I did 5 blue & 5 white in case I didn't like the blue.
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the cluster would be shaky...
Actually I beg to differ.
I had some dead bulbs in my 98 cluster, so took it apart to replace the bulbs with LEDs.
I was dreading getting that circlip off, but found that a previous owner had left it off anyway.
I had never noticed any movement or shakiness of the instruments, as the rubber grommet is rather firm and the circlip just keeps it located fore & aft, it does not really fix the cluster as such. IMHO, leave it off as it makes future access much easier!
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So I read this thread and decided to change my instrument bulbs before putting the plastic back on, after farkling all winter. I took the instrument trim panel off, and this was a very easy job. Thanks for the sticky thread.
Also changed out my front turn signal lenses to clear as Flyinf Kiwi did, and love th easy it looks now.
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There are some points here that nobody picked up on: Most alternators rely on current through the charge lamp to excite the starting field current. led current will be very small. I couldn't work out a link between the Battery charge lamp and the idle speed indicator (neutral lamp) from my oem diagram. It looks as though the neutral lamp is wired into the interlock circuit switches. If there is water around the stand switch, a led may come on whereas a bulb needing higher current would not.

If any of the warning lamps need to be kept as bulbs, I wonder if white leds for the other warnings show with similar brightness?

If you look at the blackened or failed lamps, the few lamps most likely to fail are going to be the 'always on' lamps, which is instrument backlighting. Personally I wouldn't bother changing the warning lamps that are not being run continuously. I know when I last checked my lamps, the intermittent duty lamps were all clear with good looking filaments.

If you put any kind of led behind a plastic colored filter it has to have a similar wavelength to the filter color or be a broad spectrum white. 'Red' comes in different wavelengths and some will just get filtered reducing light output. That's why white leds would probably work better.
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Here's some pics from when I did mine. As mentioned, don't use LED bulbs in the charge or Neutral lights. I used the lower power white LEDs in the dash indicators and they are plenty bright (actually probably a bit too bright). Remember that the LEDs can only go in one way, so don't reinstall your dash cluster until you have tested all the bulbs and make sure they are working.

I also put blue LEDs (the higher powered ones) in my gauge illumination bulbs and headlight parking light. I put a blue LED bulb (bayonet style - from eBay) in my rear license plate light too. I tried the higher powered bayonet LED bulb, but it kept going out intermittently (tried 2 different ones) so I went back to the lower-powered one.









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Last year I followed the advice on this board and replaced all my instrumentation lights with standard white LED's. I do drive at night on occasion and my old eyes appreciate the difference in brightness.

I went with a hybrid system, meaning--I did not replace any bulbs in the caution/warning lights. Bulbs are perfectly suited to this application because they are not "on" all the time as instrument lights. Also, the added brightness of LEDs adds little to the utility of the cluster IMO.

I also saved the useable bulbs taken from the instruments to use as spares for cluster lights.
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On the tacho, next to the word BMW is a little light

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On the pictures I posted (appears link got broken - I'll re-post), it looks to me like reflection off the screw head that is in that spot.
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Links to my original pics with blue LED dash lights got messed up. Re-posting the pics:

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Last year I followed the advice on this board and replaced all my instrumentation lights with standard white LED's. I do drive at night on occasion and my old eyes appreciate the difference in brightness.

I went with a hybrid system, meaning--I did not replace any bulbs in the caution/warning lights. Bulbs are perfectly suited to this application because they are not "on" all the time as instrument lights. Also, the added brightness of LEDs adds little to the utility of the cluster IMO.

I also saved the useable bulbs taken from the instruments to use as spares for cluster lights.

FYI, you can replace all of the panel lights, too. Except for the charge light. Do not, not, not put an LED there! The circuit relies on the current drawn by an incandescent lamp to work correctly. An LED doesn't draw anywhere near the same current (a ballast resistor could be used but the wattage matches the original lamp, of course - 3W resistors aren't small). With an LED, the neutral light stays off in neutral and comes on in gear, although the charge light (IIRC) works as it should. The neutral light and charge lights share a common circuit (see the diagrams in Clymer).

The blue high beam light is kinda bright, even with the lowest output I could find. Some sort of filter would help but I haven't got around to it.

LED turn signal/running lights aren't quite plug and play. The flasher relay has to be replaced with one designed to work with LED's. Without it, a stock relay reacts as if the lamps were burned out. Again, LED's draw much less than incandescent lamps, and that sends the stock relay into "burned out bulb" mode.

An LED brake/running light is OK. The brake switches don't care about low LED current. A bright red light in the back is a good thing. I use a brake flasher that blinks slowly for 3-4 flashes and then goes into strobe mode (very fast flash rate) before going to steady on. With an LED, the light show is more pronounced.

One LED most people miss, and which I recommend, is the small running light in the headlight housing. It's there as a marker in case the headlight fails. It's on whenever the key is on. Replace it with a bright white LED - maybe you'll never need it, but if you do... remember the old one might well be toast but missed because the headlight swamps its output.
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I think the Neutral indicator bulb needs to be left non-LED as well. I tried the LED in the Neutral light, but it didn't indicate correctly so I put the standard bulb back in. Using a standard bulb in the charge indicator only may fix this issue (I think they are linked somehow).

I replaced the parking light bulb with a bright blue LED. Looks cool when parking lights are on, but nobody really does that in the U.S. My HID conversion headlight washes it out normally. I guess it could be a good idea to put a bright white LED in the parking bulb, as mentioned, in case the headlight goes out.
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I just followed the tutorial on changing the instrument cluster bulbs. It was totally helpful! I found that clip to be easier than expected taking off but getting it back on was a bitch which ended with the clip falling into the bowels of my faring. I now am waiting for the clips for the windshield so I can take the front faring off and put a new clip on that I was lucky to get from my mechanic.Gotta do it right. For you who opt not to get the clip back on, you will have an instrument cluster that will forever flop around and come loose. Take the faring off and make your life easier!
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I have lost a disproportionate number of screws down the guts of my fairing, never to be seen again. Its gotten to the point of me be overly cautious.
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What is it?

What is this light???
It doesn't glow brightly but rather varies softly in time with the engine.
Impossible to see in the daylight
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Hmm, I don't have such a light on my 2003. If it varies with engine speed, then it might be an aftermarket/home-made rpm indicator which varies LED color based on engine speed (since it's placed on the tach). Sounds like a cool idea, if one were inclined to need additional indication when rpm's got too high (i.e. LED turns red).
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On the tach??? It's definitely after-market. Good luck finding out more about it.
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Re: Changing bulbs for LEDs in the instrument cluster

Def not aftermarket. It is fully integrated into the factory OEM tacho
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Re: Changing bulbs for LEDs in the instrument cluster

Could have been added pretty easily by opening up the gauge cluster, drilling the right size hole in the tach face, installing the LED, then routing wires through the back of the gauge assembly. The clear gauge cover is fairly easy to remove (with a bit of work), and the tach face is bare after that. Many here have tackled much more difficult projects with OEM-look final results. If it looks good, all the better. Try running through the rpm range and see if you can get it to turn red.
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I found that clip to be easier than expected taking off but getting it back on was a bitch which ended with the clip falling into the bowels of my faring.

I twisted a 6" (12cm) length of 16ga wire to the clip before putting it back on. Makes it easier to get off (just grab the wire and pull), and easier to reclaim if it slips while putting it on.
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Re: Changing bulbs for LEDs in the instrument cluster

The length of fine wire "tail" is a nice addition. I'll add that when I either replace the cruise control or add LED's.

If you have a long-Handled needle-nose plier, it's possible to reach that clip from the right side, once you've removed the bolts. Tease it around so the pull-tab is facing you, and you can grab it with the pliers and pull straight out.
Install is the reverse of removal. The long handles give enough leverage for a secure grab on the pull-tab, and from there it's reach in and push. Took me maybe 10 seconds to get that clip on.

Long-jawed needle nose will not work. The tips flex too much for a good grab.

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I just did this over the weekend with blue LEDs. Turned out great!




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Re: Changing bulbs for LEDs in the instrument cluster

If you decide to convert the idiot lights to LED's, a) do not put an LED in the charging warning light, b) the high beam LED needs to be dimmed - a lot.

There's a somewhat complicated story about the charge warning light (look at the wiring schematic). Having a low current device, instead of an incandescent light, inverts the neutral light function - on in any gear, out in neutral. Been there, done that.

A blue LED in the high beam location is just way, way, way too bright at night. It needs to be filtered down. A lot. Plan on a lot of experimentation in the dark.

The other lights work as expected.
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Re: Changing bulbs for LEDs in the instrument cluster

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I just did this over the weekend with blue LEDs. Turned out great!




This is my attempt to post a pic in case it doesn't work.
Looks good!
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If you decide to convert the idiot lights to LED's, a) do not put an LED in the charging warning light, b) the high beam LED needs to be dimmed - a lot.

There's a somewhat complicated story about the charge warning light (look at the wiring schematic). Having a low current device, instead of an incandescent light, inverts the neutral light function - on in any gear, out in neutral. Been there, done that.

A blue LED in the high beam location is just way, way, way too bright at night. It needs to be filtered down. A lot. Plan on a lot of experimentation in the dark.

The other lights work as expected.


Yep, I caught that in the instructions about the charging light. I skipped over that one. I did install one of the lower powered blue LEDs in the high beam light. I was hoping it would dim it down a bit. Even thought about putting a couple of layers of the frosted Scotch tape on the inside of the lens, but decided to wait and see if it needs it. My 4 month old battery (Bike Master junk) is toast, so I have another on order. Plus its been way to cold to ride during the day, let alone ride at night, so my test ride will have to wait a little while longer.
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