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Free practice 1 & 2 completed, FP1 was wet and cold, FP2 was warmer and dry, hopefully it will warm up and be dry up for the race on Sunday, FP1 & FP2 times below, a Honda rider leads both practices, but its not the usual suspect, and the old man is struggling a bit ...


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Dani Pedrosa fastest during a wet FP1 for the Spanish MotoGP at Jerez, which saw rain showers throughout the 45-minutes.

Bradley Smith and Pol Espargaro both used KTM's "new configuration" engine which, as suspected, sounds very much like a 'big bang' engine designs...

1. Dani Pedrosa ESP Repsol Honda Team (RC213V) 1m 51.648s [Lap 14/17] 276km/h (Top Speed)
2. Cal Crutchlow GBR LCR Honda (RC213V) 1m 51.650s +0.002s [12/12] 275km/h
3. Jack Miller AUS Estrella Galicia 0,0 Marc VDS (RC213V) 1m 51.807s +0.159s [11/12] 275km/h
4. Andrea Dovizioso ITA Ducati Team (Desmosedici GP17) 1m 51.830s +0.182s [8/8] 279km/h
5. Marc Marquez ESP Repsol Honda Team (RC213V) 1m 51.962s +0.314s [16/17] 276km/h
6. Jonas Folger GER Monster Yamaha Tech 3 (YZR-M1)* 1m 52.249s +0.601s [11/16] 276km/h
7. Aleix Espargaro ESP Factory Aprilia Gresini (RS-GP) 1m 52.350s +0.702s [12/12] 275km/h
8. Danilo Petrucci ITA Octo Pramac Racing (Desmosedici GP17) 1m 52.353s +0.705s [16/17] 277km/h
9. Jorge Lorenzo ESP Ducati Team (Desmosedici GP17) 1m 52.359s +0.711s [11/13] 280km/h
10. Maverick Viñales ESP Movistar Yamaha MotoGP (YZR-M1) 1m 52.555s +0.907s [17/17] 277km/h
11. Scott Redding GBR Octo Pramac Racing (Desmosedici GP16) 1m 52.684s +1.036s [9/15] 278km/h
12. Andrea Iannone ITA Team Suzuki Ecstar (GSX-RR) 1m 52.834s +1.186s [15/15] 273km/h
13. Johann Zarco FRA Monster Yamaha Tech 3 (YZR-M1)* 1m 52.917s +1.269s [17/17] 277km/h
14. Pol Espargaro ESP Red Bull KTM Factory Racing (RC16) 1m 53.102s +1.454s [18/18] 275km/h
15. Bradley Smith GBR Red Bull KTM Factory Racing (RC16) 1m 53.204s +1.556s [13/13] 274km/h
16. Valentino Rossi ITA Movistar Yamaha MotoGP (YZR-M1) 1m 53.263s +1.615s [16/18] 273km/h
17. Loris Baz FRA Reale Avintia Racing (Desmosedici GP15) 1m 53.375s +1.727s [12/15] 271km/h
18. Sam Lowes GBR Factory Aprilia Gresini (RS-GP)* 1m 53.752s +2.104s [8/8] 272km/h
19. Tito Rabat ESP Estrella Galicia 0,0 Marc VDS (RC213V) 1m 53.885s +2.237s [17/17] 273km/h
20. Alvaro Bautista ESP Pull&Bear Aspar Team (Desmosedici GP16) 1m 54.087s +2.439s [16/17] 277km/h
21. Takuya Tsuda JPN Team Suzuki Ecstar (GSX-RR) 1m 54.316s +2.668s [15/19] 271km/h
Hector Barbera ESP Reale Avintia Racing (Desmosedici GP16) No Time
Karel Abraham CZE Pull&Bear Aspar Team (Desmosedici GP15) No Time


FP2

Dani Pedrosa completes a perfect Friday sweep at Jerez by being quickest in both the wet and dry -
sunny conditions replacing the earlier rain.

Most riders fitted a soft rear slick at the end of the session and pushed for a fast time, with the notable exception of reigning champion Marc Marquez.

The session saw early falls for Maverick Vinales, Aleix Espargaro and Karel Abraham, caught out by the damp track...

1. Dani Pedrosa ESP Repsol Honda Team (RC213V) 1m 39.420s [Lap 17/20] 286km/h (Top Speed)
2. Jack Miller AUS Estrella Galicia 0,0 Marc VDS (RC213V) 1m 39.964s +0.544s [18/20] 284km/h
3. Cal Crutchlow GBR LCR Honda (RC213V) 1m 40.045s +0.625s [16/19] 285km/h
4. Jorge Lorenzo ESP Ducati Team (Desmosedici GP17) 1m 40.291s +0.871s [17/20] 289km/h
5. Danilo Petrucci ITA Octo Pramac Racing (Desmosedici GP17) 1m 40.378s +0.958s [18/19] 287km/h
6. Maverick Viñales ESP Movistar Yamaha MotoGP (YZR-M1) 1m 40.379s +0.959s [16/16] 284km/h
7. Alvaro Bautista ESP Pull&Bear Aspar Team (Desmosedici GP16) 1m 40.392s +0.972s [19/21] 288km/h
8. Andrea Dovizioso ITA Ducati Team (Desmosedici GP17) 1m 40.428s +1.008s [16/18] 289km/h
9. Aleix Espargaro ESP Factory Aprilia Gresini (RS-GP) 1m 40.479s +1.059s [17/17] 283km/h
10. Pol Espargaro ESP Red Bull KTM Factory Racing (RC16) 1m 40.573s +1.153s [15/15] 287km/h
11. Scott Redding GBR Octo Pramac Racing (Desmosedici GP16) 1m 40.639s +1.219s [17/19] 286km/h
12. Valentino Rossi ITA Movistar Yamaha MotoGP (YZR-M1) 1m 40.698s +1.278s [20/20] 286km/h
13. Jonas Folger GER Monster Yamaha Tech 3 (YZR-M1)* 1m 40.773s +1.353s [20/20] 286km/h
14. Marc Marquez ESP Repsol Honda Team (RC213V) 1m 40.915s +1.495s [18/19] 284km/h
15. Johann Zarco FRA Monster Yamaha Tech 3 (YZR-M1)* 1m 41.019s +1.599s [17/17] 286km/h
16. Andrea Iannone ITA Team Suzuki Ecstar (GSX-RR) 1m 41.165s +1.745s [18/19] 285km/h
17. Tito Rabat ESP Estrella Galicia 0,0 Marc VDS (RC213V) 1m 41.165s +1.745s [19/20] 282km/h
18. Bradley Smith GBR Red Bull KTM Factory Racing (RC16) 1m 41.432s +2.012s [20/20] 284km/h
19. Takuya Tsuda JPN Team Suzuki Ecstar (GSX-RR) 1m 41.887s +2.467s [18/19] 281km/h
20. Sam Lowes GBR Factory Aprilia Gresini (RS-GP)* 1m 41.905s +2.485s [16/18] 282km/h
21. Karel Abraham CZE Pull&Bear Aspar Team (Desmosedici GP15) 1m 41.909s +2.489s [14/16] 286km/h
22. Loris Baz FRA Reale Avintia Racing (Desmosedici GP15) 1m 42.515s +3.095s [10/19] 280km/h
23. Hector Barbera ESP Reale Avintia Racing (Desmosedici GP16) 1m 42.630s +3.210s [17/17] 289km/h
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What a strange season...
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The forecast for Sunday is a dry race...
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Re: SPOILER - Jerez MotoGP

No sooner did he podium than he began to dis Ducati and all his "doubters." Jeez...can't he be graceful for once? You'd think he'd thank his team, but no! All credit for the podium finish was his own despite a "difficult" bike. Why would any company want him as its ambassador is beyond me.


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Re: SPOILER - Jerez MotoGP

Rossi still leading. By a whisker.

Zarco on the the 2016 bike beating the full factory bikes with the legend Rossi and legend in waiting Vinales. Is Zarco > Rossi and Vinales? No. There are BIG problems with this new bike. I predict a big change before the next race...

Lorenzo? He still feels second fiddle. Kinda like Jan Brady. Marsha, marsha, marsha!!
Poor guy. I actually kinda feel sorry for him.


Marquez is flawed. His bike is flawed. But when running well, they both are GREAT!

I have no idea what to make of Pedrosa???? Did he replace his manager? what's his name...
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Re: SPOILER - Jerez MotoGP

A rough day for the Doctor (despite holding on, barely, to the championship points lead) at the 3000th MotoGP, results, who woke Pedrosa up? Rossi quote below,

https://www.superbikeplanet.com/moto...-results-2017/

MotoGP Jerez – Race Results
The 3000th World Championship Race belongs to Dani Pedrosa!
Sunday, May 7, 2017
Pos. Rider Team Bike Time/Gap

1 Dani Pedrosa Repsol Honda Team Honda RC213V 45:26.827
2 Marc Marquez Repsol Honda Team Honda RC213V 6.136
3 Jorge Lorenzo Ducati Team Ducati GP17 14.767
4 Johann Zarco Monster Yamaha Tech 3 Yamaha YZR-M1 17.601
5 Andrea Dovizioso Ducati Team Ducati GP17 22.913
6 Maverick Vinales Movistar Yamaha MotoGP Yamaha YZR-M1 24.556
7 Danilo Petrucci Octo Pramac Racing Ducati GP17 24.959
8 Jonas Folger Monster Yamaha Tech 3 Yamaha YZR-M1 27.721
9 Aleix Espargaro Aprilia Racing Team Gresini Aprilia RS-GP 31.233
10 Valentino Rossi Movistar Yamaha MotoGP Yamaha YZR-M1 38.682
11 Scott Redding Octo Pramac Racing Ducati GP16 40.979
12 Hector Barbera Reale Esponsorama Racing Ducati GP16 43.199
13 Loris Baz Reale Esponsorama Racing Ducati GP16 43.211
14 Bradley Smith Red Bull KTM Factory Racing KTM RC16 47.964
15 Karel Abraham Pull&Bear Aspar Team Ducati GP16 51.279
16 Sam Lowes Aprilia Racing Team Gresini Aprilia RS-GP 1:08.885
17 Takuya Tsuda Team SUZUKI ECSTAR Suzuki GSX-RR 1:27.450
DNF Andrea Iannone Team SUZUKI ECSTAR Suzuki GSX-RR 18 Laps
DNF Tito Rabat Team EG 0,0 Marc VDS Honda RC213V 18 Laps
DNF Cal Crutchlow LCR Honda Honda RC213V 22 Laps
DNF Jack Miller Team EG 0,0 Marc VDS Honda RC213V 22 Laps
DNF Alvaro Bautista Pull&Bear Aspar Team Ducati GP16 22 Laps
DNF Pol Espargaro Red Bull KTM Factory Racing KTM RC16 22 Laps

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“It was a very difficult race after a difficult weekend. I never had a good feeling with the bike and the tyres. We tried to work a lot, especially to fix the spin and acceleration, but unfortunately for the race we did worse. We tried to modify it a bit, but I was also in trouble with the front. At the end I had to slow down a lot and had a lot of vibration. It was OK to arrive right at the end, but it was a difficult weekend for the whole team. We expected to be stronger and more competitive at this track, looking at the results of last year. We need to try and understand what happened, tomorrow we have the test and we‘ll see.”
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A rough day for the Doctor (despite holding on, barely, to the championship points lead) at the 3000th MotoGP, results, who woke Pedrosa up? Rossi quote below,

The Doctor,

“It was a very difficult race after a difficult weekend. I never had a good feeling with the bike and the tyres. We tried to work a lot, especially to fix the spin and acceleration, but unfortunately for the race we did worse. We tried to modify it a bit, but I was also in trouble with the front. At the end I had to slow down a lot and had a lot of vibration. It was OK to arrive right at the end, but it was a difficult weekend for the whole team. We expected to be stronger and more competitive at this track, looking at the results of last year. We need to try and understand what happened, tomorrow we have the test and we‘ll see.”[/color]
I think maybe the factory team needs to trade bikes with Tech 3...
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I think maybe the factory team needs to trade bikes with Tech 3...

Looked like there was a tire or set up problem with the factory Yamaha's. They were so bad it was confusing what could be going on???
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Unbelievable what Jack Miller did to Bautista. Bautista is my favorite rider, as I've been following him since the 250 class with Simoncelli. So this was quite a shock.

Yes, it was Bautista's fault, but really?? For another rider to become physical is way out of bounds. I don't think the $1500.00 fine they gave to Miller is enough.

I sure am excited for Zarco. Love to see the underdog do so well. Happy for Pedrosa too. He deserves it.
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No sooner did he podium than he began to dis Ducati and all his "doubters." Jeez...can't he be graceful for once? You'd think he'd thank his team, but no! All credit for the podium finish was his own despite a "difficult" bike. Why would any company want him as its ambassador is beyond me.


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Unbelievable what Jack Miller did to Bautista. Bautista is my favorite rider, as I've been following him since the 250 class with Simoncelli. So this was quite a shock.

Yes, it was Bautista's fault, but really?? For another rider to become physical is way out of bounds. I don't think the $1500.00 fine they gave to Miller is enough.

I sure am excited for Zarco. Love to see the underdog do so well. Happy for Pedrosa too. He deserves it.

Bautista has always been loose into corners and taking out people. Poor Jack has started to mature and get into some rhythym, he was totally pissed that he couldnt continue, I GET it, id do the same
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Truth be known, Rossi almost threw up in his helmet, when Lorenzo rounded him up on the Ducati.
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Zarco was fun to watch and this time he finished the race. I think he's going to continue to be entertaining to watch and hope he continues to improve.

Pedrosa and Crutchlow are both enigmas. They're middle pack riders most weeks and then they're at the front every now and then. Pedrosa has won a MotoGP every year for 16 years - is that what I heard during the broadcast?

That was a pretty crappy thing to do to give Bautista a shove. He could have been injured and that might have made it worse.

I was puzzled about one remark they made during the broadcast about Pedrosa regarding his weight being an advantage for tire wear. I thought there was a minimum weight for the rider and bike combination? Wouldn't everyone strive to achieve that?
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I was puzzled about one remark they made during the broadcast about Pedrosa regarding his weight being an advantage for tire wear. I thought there was a minimum weight for the rider and bike combination? Wouldn't everyone strive to achieve that?

In MotoGP there is a minimum weight for the bike only. It's F1 where there is a minimum driver / car weight - that why you'll see F1 drivers being weighed after races, and see them driving off line after the race concludes to pick up loose rubber on their sticky tires to add weight to the vehicle.

Pedrosa is really tiny. Most of the riders are small, its a power to weight thing. But Pedrosa looks like a midget when standing next to say Rossi. Sometimes in hot conditions that works for him, in colder conditions he struggles to get heat into the tires for the same reason. His style is pretty smooth as well and that helps with tire longevity.

Here's a photo that shows that off, with Lorenzo who is no giant either, and Rossi, and they're not on the podium steps,

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Scott Redding is the real giant...over 6 feet tall. Major disadvantage to overcome, not only weight wise but also aerodynamic wise.
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Pedrosa is really tiny.
Here's a photo that shows that off, with Lorenzo who is no giant either, and Rossi, and they're not on the podium steps,
The photo is a bit misleading due to photographic perspective. Some examples:

Pedrosa 5'2"
Rossi 6'
Lorenzo 5'7"
Marquez 5'6"
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