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OK, they haven't hit the track yet, but, Rossi may give it a go, racing a MotoGP bike 17 days after breaking his leg, these guys are so competitive, and made out of very tough stuff, if he's fit, I hope he races, and of course, wins!

https://www.superbikeplanet.com/ross...aragon-motogp/

After 17 days of recovering, Rossi got his first laps in at the Misano World Circuit Marco Simoncelli last Monday and Tuesday, before undergoing a medical examination today. Following the check-up, the Italian decided to make his way to Aragón in order to try to participate in this weekend’s race. He will have to successfully complete a mandatory physical check by the MotorLand Aragón Chief Medical Officer to be declared fit to take part in the Grand Prix weekend.

Despite missing the previous race due to injury, Rossi arrives at the 14th round holding fourth place in the championship, 42 points from the top of the standings. While his leg hasn‘t fully healed yet, the nine-time World Champion is happy he might have the opportunity to attempt riding his YZR-M1 again and greet the Spanish fans in Alcañiz, where he stood on the podium three times before (three third places in 2013, 2015 and 2016).
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Nuts.
What drives him to risk it at this point in his career?
He can't think he has a chance to win this year can he? It's not the point deficit alone but the number of riders in front of him as well.
Would it not be better to ease into the off season and give it one more try for #10 next year?

That said, for sure if he is competitive, it will be a more interesting end of the season.
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I guess it will be to stay fourth, ahead of Pedrosa, or even close down on third, Vinales - he hates being beaten by team mates especially a Yamaha rookie

I think his leg medical test will prove if he is even nearly fit enough. It's something like walk up 10 steps in 30 seconds, walk 20 yards and then stand on each leg for 10 seconds, all unaided. Can't imagine that is easy on a broken leg?
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I guess it will be to stay fourth, ahead of Pedrosa, or even close down on third, Vinales - he hates being beaten by team mates especially a Yamaha rookie

I think his leg medical test will prove if he is even nearly fit enough. It's something like walk up 10 steps in 30 seconds, walk 20 yards and then stand on each leg for 10 seconds, all unaided. Can't imagine that is easy on a broken leg?

I can't imagine on a fractured tib/fib. Much less ride a motogp bike at the premier class level. It's not like he broke just the smaller fibula. Every step he takes he's bearing weight on the shattered bone.

He's going to be circulating mid pack for sure. For what? a couple points?

Everything is risk/reward. He must imagine that his risk is fairly small for a reward of such little.
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I can't imagine on a fractured tib/fib. Much less ride a motogp bike at the premier class level. It's not like he broke just the smaller fibula. Every step he takes he's bearing weight on the shattered bone.

He's going to be circulating mid pack for sure. For what? a couple points?

Everything is risk/reward. He must imagine that his risk is fairly small for a reward of such little.

His potential reward might be difficult for us to rationalize but the impact of him being there on the grid to the fans, sponsors, and the sport is undeniable. I think one of the reasons people love Vale is that its obvious how much he loves the sport and what it does.
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It can't be mended yet... impossible!

It has to hurt

Is this his way of saying that all others out there are wusses?
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This from today's rags


http://www.motorcycledaily.com/2017/...ate-at-aragon/


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https://www.redbull.com/int-en/incre...togp-comebacks



Jorge Lorenzo showed in Assen what some riders will do in order to deny their rivals any advantage.


There was a lot to take in from the Dutch Grand Prix. After resounding evidence of the fact that Valentino Rossi 'still has it' and further indication that Marc Márquez is something of a phenomenon, there was also a timely reminder of just how tough – physically and mentally – a breed MotoGP riders really are.


After Jorge Lorenzo's exploits redbull.com decided to take a quick look back through some of the most impressive efforts through gritted teeth put on by riders over the past few seasons...





Jorge Lorenzo feels the pain at Assen
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Jorge Lorenzo: Assen 2013



The latest in a long line of hardy men to climb back on two wheels when the rest of us were wincing...


Lorenzo broke his left collarbone on Thursday afternoon in a crash in free practice, flew to Barcelona the same day, was operated on in the early hours of Friday morning and then returned to the track in the Netherlands in the afternoon. After passing fitness tests on Saturday morning he rode in the race and placed fifth, just 48 hours after picking up the injury and a mere 36 hours after having a titanium plate and eight screws inserted into the bone.


It would have been impossible to believe some minutes after my crash that this could happen... This fifth position is better than any victory I have had in my career.



Casey Stoner addresses the media at Brno
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Casey Stoner: Indianapolis 2012



The Australian trailed Lorenzo by 32 points when the Championship arrived at Indy for Round 11 of the 2012 campaign, and was pushing hard to cut the deficit in a bid to defend his title. In qualifying he highsided and landed hard, fracturing and chipping bones in his right ankle as well as sustaining multiple ligament tears.


Despite the extent of the damage Stoner still rode in the race, and only just lost out on a podium position to Andrea Dovizioso in the later stages of the race. Surgery was required however and Stoner then had to sit out three races, which just added to the incredulity that he had been able to ride with such injuries.


It's the first time in my career that I haven't been able to get up and walk away from an accident myself. As soon as I stood up, I looked down and saw my foot was at a strange angle to my leg.



Colin Edwards winces on the podium at Silverstone
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Colin Edwards: Silverstone 2011



Edwards took a heavy fall in Friday practice at the Catalonia GP and broke his right collarbone, and was operated on in Barcelona the following day. He made his way to the circuit on Sunday with the intention of riding, if only to maintain his record of never missing a race since his debut in MotoGP in 2003, but was denied by the medical staff.


A disappointed Edwards, with a plate and seven screws in his right shoulder, turned his attentions to the next round at Silverstone five days later, and after managing to qualify an impressive eighth on the starting grid the American took a podium in difficult wet conditions just 9 days after getting injured.


“I really don't know what to say... The collarbone wasn't the real issue, I separated the muscle from my ribs and that's what's really hurting!


Today was unbearable, it was hard to keep the thing on two wheels! We didn't even try the set-up I raced on all weekend, but it worked out!



Valentino Rossi collects his crutches off the bike
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Valentino Rossi: Sachsenring 2010



The Doctor suffered a horrific leg break at his home GP at Mugello, Round 4 of the 2010 season, when he crashed during practice. A displaced and exposed fracture of the right tibia required two operations, and an injury that would have sidelined many for months kept Rossi off the bike for just four weeks as he rode a test at Misano prior to his race return at the German GP.


41 days after breaking his leg Rossi rolled out for practice at the Sachsenring, and come race day he finished fourth after fighting Stoner all the way to the finish line for the final podium spot.


I think I did a great job and this was a very good comeback, better than we could wish for.
“I felt a bit of pain in my shoulder but more in the leg when changing direction, but at the end the battle with Casey was such fun that I didn't think about it. Unfortunately though he just got the better of me on the last corner.”


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MotoGP: Valentino Rossi passes Aragon medical test

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Valentino Rossi given green light to take part in Aragon MotoGP practice.







Video of Vale after completing medical tests. LOL. Test must have been pretty easy. Or they grade on a curve.

https://www.facebook.com/MotoGP/vide...6137806895769/
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Of course, Vale is hugely motivated to win every time he straddles a bike, and to take another world title, no question of that.

But I think it's more than that, more than any sporting motive or any competitive instinct: he is simply one of a very rare breed who savour every moment of this precious life and live it to the absolute maximum.

I think that's why the man is so loved by countless millions, who can only gawp and wonder if they're even the same species as this incredible human, with his outrageous zest for living.

Having said all that - Dovi for the title, please
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Bold or crazy, either way, Go Vale Go!
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I can't remember the exact quote as it was many sleeps ago now, but when Freddie Spencer started moaning about his broken foot on the Podium, it got to Kenny Roberts and he said "If it was me I would have so much Novocaine in me I wouldn't even know I had a foot".
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Been cooked these last two days rain forecast for tomorrow.
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Whatever the reason - whatever motivates Rossi - no matter if you truly don't like him - he is a huge component of MotoGP today.

If he rides - fans take notice - if he wins he is unbelievable - if he doesn't win many fans breath easily for a little while.

If he rides at Aragon it will be truly amazing.
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He has been out for the first practice. Didn't do many laps as it was light rain. 16th on the time sheets, which doesn't really mean anything in this session. Lets see if he comes out for FP2.
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FP1 & 2 are in the books, here are the times, Rossi rode in both sessions, but "slowly" (like I could ride that "slowly", and with a broken leg) track drying in session 2,

https://www.superbikeplanet.com/moto...-results-2017/

MotoGP Aragon FP1 Results

Friday, September 22, 2017
The Gran Premio Movistar de Aragon from MotorLand Aragon, Spain. The 14th round of the 2017 MotoGP season.

Pos. Rider Team Bike Time

1 Marc Marquez Repsol Honda Team Honda RC213V 2:01.243
2 Dani Pedrosa Repsol Honda Team Honda RC213V 2:01.741
3 Johann Zarco Monster Yamaha Tech 3 Yamaha YZR-M1 2:02.028
4 Jack Miller Team EG 0,0 Marc VDS Honda RC213V 2:02.099
5 Mika Kallio Red Bull KTM Factory Racing KTM RC16 2:02.294
6 Jorge Lorenzo Ducati Team Ducati GP17 2:02.386
7 Cal Crutchlow LCR Honda Honda RC213V 2:02.718
8 Danilo Petrucci Octo Pramac Racing Ducati GP17 2:02.917
9 Andrea Iannone Team SUZUKI ECSTAR Suzuki GSX-RR 2:02.957
10 Andrea Dovizioso Ducati Team Ducati GP17 2:03.093
11 Scott Redding Octo Pramac Racing Ducati GP16 2:03.320
12 Sam Lowes Aprilia Racing Team Gresini Aprilia RS-GP 2:03.344
13 Jonas Folger Monster Yamaha Tech 3 Yamaha YZR-M1 2:03.494
14 Karel Abraham Pull&Bear Aspar Team Ducati GP16 2:03.545
15 Aleix Espargaro Aprilia Racing Team Gresini Aprilia RS-GP 2:03.613
16 Tito Rabat Team EG 0,0 Marc VDS Honda RC213V 2:03.673
17 Pol Espargaro Red Bull KTM Factory Racing KTM RC16 2:03.694
18 Valentino Rossi Movistar Yamaha MotoGP Yamaha YZR-M1 2:04.066
19 Alvaro Bautista Pull&Bear Aspar Team Ducati GP16 2:04.094
20 Maverick Vinales Movistar Yamaha MotoGP Yamaha YZR-M1 2:04.098
21 Loris Baz Reale Esponsorama Racing Ducati GP16 2:04.525
22 Hector Barbera Reale Esponsorama Racing Ducati GP16 2:04.609
23 Alex Rins Team SUZUKI ECSTAR Suzuki GSX-RR 2:04.625
DNS Bradley Smith Red Bull KTM Factory Racing KTM RC16 – – – –

https://www.superbikeplanet.com/moto...-results-2017/

MotoGP Aragon FP2 Results
Wet and drying.


Pos. Rider Team Bike Time
1 Dani Pedrosa Repsol Honda Team Honda RC213V 1:59.858
2 Jorge Lorenzo Ducati Team Ducati GP17 2:00.072
3 Johann Zarco Monster Yamaha Tech 3 Yamaha YZR-M1 2:00.320
4 Marc Marquez Repsol Honda Team Honda RC213V 2:00.459
5 Karel Abraham Pull&Bear Aspar Team Ducati GP16 2:00.471
6 Cal Crutchlow LCR Honda Honda RC213V 2:00.482
7 Sam Lowes Aprilia Racing Team Gresini Aprilia RS-GP 2:00.585
8 Andrea Dovizioso Ducati Team Ducati GP17 2:00.962
9 Aleix Espargaro Aprilia Racing Team Gresini Aprilia RS-GP 2:01.015
10 Pol Espargaro Red Bull KTM Factory Racing KTM RC16 2:01.042
11 Alvaro Bautista Pull&Bear Aspar Team Ducati GP16 2:01.103
12 Jack Miller Team EG 0,0 Marc VDS Honda RC213V 2:01.149
13 Bradley Smith Red Bull KTM Factory Racing KTM RC16 2:01.350
14 Andrea Iannone Team SUZUKI ECSTAR Suzuki GSX-RR 2:01.471
15 Mika Kallio Red Bull KTM Factory Racing KTM RC16 2:01.492
16 Scott Redding Octo Pramac Racing Ducati GP16 2:01.516
17 Maverick Vinales Movistar Yamaha MotoGP Yamaha YZR-M1 2:01.632
18 Jonas Folger Monster Yamaha Tech 3 Yamaha YZR-M1 2:01.745
19 Danilo Petrucci Octo Pramac Racing Ducati GP17 2:01.810
20 Valentino Rossi Movistar Yamaha MotoGP Yamaha YZR-M1 2:01.917
21 Alex Rins Team SUZUKI ECSTAR Suzuki GSX-RR 2:02.077
22 Tito Rabat Team EG 0,0 Marc VDS Honda RC213V 2:02.392
23 Loris Baz Reale Esponsorama Racing Ducati GP16 2:02.677
24 Hector Barbera Reale Esponsorama Racing Ducati GP16 2:02.935
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How do the riders behind Rossi feel?
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How do the riders behind Rossi feel?
Like they've got one leg tied behind their back?
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In FP1 he is 3 seconds of the fastest rider (MM) - with a broken leg???? I get that is huge in this class of riders but again he has a broken leg.

FP2 he now has picked up 2 seconds on his FP1 time and now is 2 seconds off of the fastest rider (DP) - again with a broken leg.

I admit I'm 100% biased but if any of us honestly thinks that VR is not the greatest rider to come out of MotoGP - and is the most competitive rider on the planet - can you please tell me who is??

He is basically an old man - not supposed to be a factor - shouldn't be able to run anywhere near the front - probably has more money than he will ever need - is basically looked upon as one of the great wonders of the world - and absolutely has nothing to prove.

Yet this man pulls on his leathers puts on his helmet and gets on one of the fastest motorcycles on the planet - why?

Because he is the greatest rider today on the planet and he knows nothing but to ride motorcycles - not just for himself - but for all the fans like me - I just can't help not wanting him to win - the other riders can have their time - when VR power wheelies into retirement.

Go Val !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Well that's the wet weather out of the way although hardly cold warmer tomorrow and hot on Sunday which will make for an interesting race.

For you guys who have never been to a GP this is the one to avoid cuz it's pretty hard core and not really one for the tourist.
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Like they've got one leg tied behind their back?

Bwahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!


Man, that's as biting a humour as it gets!

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Spoiler alert!!!!!!!


Awww, just look it up yourself.
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Unfuckingbelievable! Rossi puts himself on the front row, remarkable, MM crashes, again, and walks away, twice, once in FP4 and again in qualifying, his cat must have 100's of lives, anyway, here's the qualifying results,

GO VALE GO!!!

https://www.superbikeplanet.com/moto...-results-2017/


Saturday, September 23, 2017
The Gran Premio Movistar de Aragon from MotorLand Aragon, Spain.
The 14th round of the 2017 MotoGP season.

MotoGP Aragon Qualifying Results: Session 2 (combined)
Pos. Rider Team Bike Time

1 Maverick Vinales Movistar Yamaha MotoGP Yamaha YZR-M1 1:47.635
2 Jorge Lorenzo Ducati Team Ducati GP17 1:47.735
3 Valentino Rossi Movistar Yamaha MotoGP Yamaha YZR-M1 1:47.815
4 Cal Crutchlow LCR Honda Honda RC213V 1:47.830
5 Marc Marquez Repsol Honda Team Honda RC213V 1:47.963
6 Dani Pedrosa Repsol Honda Team Honda RC213V 1:48.107
7 Andrea Dovizioso Ducati Team Ducati GP17 1:48.137
8 Aleix Espargaro Aprilia Racing Team Gresini Aprilia RS-GP 1:48.159
9 Alvaro Bautista Pull&Bear Aspar Team Ducati GP16 1:48.187
10 Andrea Iannone Team SUZUKI ECSTAR Suzuki GSX-RR 1:48.289
11 Johann Zarco Monster Yamaha Tech 3 Yamaha YZR-M1 1:48.402
12 Mika Kallio Red Bull KTM Factory Racing KTM RC16 1:48.471
13 Jack Miller Team EG 0,0 Marc VDS Honda RC213V 1:48.307
14 Pol Espargaro Red Bull KTM Factory Racing KTM RC16 1:48.387
15 Karel Abraham Pull&Bear Aspar Team Ducati GP16 1:48.467
16 Danilo Petrucci Octo Pramac Racing Ducati GP17 1:48.908
17 Loris Baz Reale Esponsorama Racing Ducati GP16 1:48.911
18 Jonas Folger Monster Yamaha Tech 3 Yamaha YZR-M1 1:49.034
19 Hector Barbera Reale Esponsorama Racing Ducati GP16 1:49.052
20 Alex Rins Team SUZUKI ECSTAR Suzuki GSX-RR 1:49.233
21 Tito Rabat Team EG 0,0 Marc VDS Honda RC213V 1:49.258
22 Scott Redding Octo Pramac Racing Ducati GP16 1:49.288
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He is an incredible athlete - rider, the determination he has is truly amazing. MotoGP needs this guy - when he is not riding it's like going to a Stones concert and Mick Jagger is not there.

There is no doubt he is not there just to get a few points he is there to win - never count him out - even when he is out - he's not out.
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I've never been so wrong in my whole life! Can't believe I "predicted" Valentino would be out for the season. Amazing athlete.
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Weather was truely remarkable today couldn't see 10 yards on the way to the track with the fog only to spend the afternoon hiding from the sun,forecast is very hot for tomorrow which will make for a very interesting race particularly for us folks that aren't fan boys having watched him walk into the garage can't beat a good surgeon e'h!!!.

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We may finally see Vinales v Marquez tomorrow!


Crutchlow in good spirits in the post qualy interviews said he told Rossi, now everyone's going to want to break their leg and come back faster.
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The cream is rising to the top...

Spain is celebrating!!!

No boos on the podium today!!!
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There's at least one gent on here who knows my connection to Moto GP so the days of me looking at it from a punters point of view sadly are long gone and not a great day for us but hey ho if it was that easy we'd all be doing it!!! But an interesting race non the less.

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Whose pit were you in?????
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Marquez showed, again, that he has the field covered, Lorenzo showed progress on the Ducati, and Rossi showed again his talent, and competitiveness, Pedrosa showed that on a hot day few can match him and had he not been stuck behind Vinales for a bit too long he might have passed his teammate at the end, Aleix Espagaro put the Aprilia in 6th!, and Crutchlow crashed, again. It was for the most part an entertaining race, maybe there is hope for someone other than MM to win the championship, but its fading, the Moto3 and Moto2 races were extremely entertaining...

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MotoGP Aragon Race Results.
The Gran Premio Movistar de Aragon from MotorLand Aragon, Spain. The 14th round of the 2017 MotoGP season.

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1 Marc Marquez Repsol Honda Team Honda RC213V 42:06.816
2 Dani Pedrosa Repsol Honda Team Honda RC213V 0.879
3 Jorge Lorenzo Ducati Team Ducati GP17 2.028
4 Maverick Vinales Movistar Yamaha MotoGP Yamaha YZR-M1 5.256
5 Valentino Rossi Movistar Yamaha MotoGP Yamaha YZR-M1 5.882
6 Aleix Espargaro Aprilia Racing Team Gresini Aprilia RS-GP 6.962
7 Andrea Dovizioso Ducati Team Ducati GP17 7.455
8 Alvaro Bautista Pull&Bear Aspar Team Ducati GP16 7.910
9 Johann Zarco Monster Yamaha Tech 3 Yamaha YZR-M1 13.002
10 Pol Espargaro Red Bull KTM Factory Racing KTM RC16 14.075
11 Mika Kallio Red Bull KTM Factory Racing KTM RC16 17.192
12 Andrea Iannone Team SUZUKI ECSTAR Suzuki GSX-RR 20.632
13 Jack Miller Team EG 0,0 Marc VDS Honda RC213V 23.886
14 Scott Redding Octo Pramac Racing Ducati GP16 25.523
15 Tito Rabat Team EG 0,0 Marc VDS Honda RC213V 26.082
16 Jonas Folger Monster Yamaha Tech 3 Yamaha YZR-M1 30.302
17 Alex Rins Team SUZUKI ECSTAR Suzuki GSX-RR 31.874
18 Hector Barbera Reale Esponsorama Racing Ducati GP16 31.948
19 Bradley Smith Red Bull KTM Factory Racing KTM RC16 36.296
20 Danilo Petrucci Octo Pramac Racing Ducati GP17 37.842
21 Loris Baz Reale Esponsorama Racing Ducati GP16 47.599
22 Sam Lowes Aprilia Racing Team Gresini Aprilia RS-GP 47.647
DNF Cal Crutchlow LCR Honda Honda RC213V 7 LAPS
DNF Karel Abraham Pull&Bear Aspar Team Ducati GP16 13 LAPS
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In the post race interview, what was it that Pedrosa was criticizing Rossi for? Something about an aggressive blocking at 300 kph. I didn't see anything during the race that looked like anything other than racing.
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I'm amazed you guys never mention Joe Roberts at least some one from the US is trying.
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I think they just announced it today?

Fulltime moto2 ride next year.

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In the post race interview, what was it that Pedrosa was criticizing Rossi for? Something about an aggressive blocking at 300 kph. I didn't see anything during the race that looked like anything other than racing.


Looked fine to me... Rossi moved right as soon as he saw Pedrosa. Skip to 52secs. I have no idea what they are saying on the video otherwise...

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I'm amazed you guys never mention Joe Roberts at least some one from the US is trying.

Chris, why don't you enlighten us since you have better insight than the rest of us?
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Chris doesn't need me to speak for him.I will say he is absomutely connected to MotoGP and has his reasons for not elaborating any more than he does.
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In that case he should quit talking about it... nobody gives a shit...
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Chris, why don't you enlighten us since you have better insight than the rest of us?

He's been riding in Moto 2,it appears that the team has withindrawn(after Aragon)from the series but will still be run in the Spanish champinship but it's hardly a state secret so I'd assume you guys would know that.

The fact Elias has been cleaning up in the States and getting paid big bucks as a 'Has been' is not doing the US any good at all when it comes to finding the next Kenny Roberts.
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Meanwhile, back at the Rossi-Pedrosa spat:

Rossi dismissed criticism of the move, saying it is normal to ride to the left to try and avoid handing a slipstream to the rider behind.

"You know, if he’s not happy Pedrosa, have to race alone I think! This is what I think, because everyone did the same to me when they want to overtake, especially on the last lap.

"But sincerely in the exit from turn 14, you always go to the left. Maybe this was one metre more. I don’t know. Maybe these riders think that they own the track!"
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The fact Elias has been cleaning up in the States and getting paid big bucks as a 'Has been' is not doing the US any good at all when it comes to finding the next Kenny Roberts.

I like Elias and he has probably elevated MotoAmerica racing. But what you say cannot be denied: When a has-been in MotoGP strolls over into MotoAmerica and cleans up like a bandit, it's not doing MotoAmerica's reputation any good.
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There is equal frustration this side Dorna is Spanish owned and Spanish run the feeder series that is run in Spain(CEV) is geared to Moto GP 2 and 3 so breaking into Moto GP is becoming ever more difficult the chances of jumping from WSS or WSB become ever more rare.

The like of Miladin who had been to GP's prior to the AMA was honest enough to say he liked being a highly paid big fish in a little pond,Spies on the other hand wanted to find out how good he was not only talent wise but travel wise their have been plenty of good racers who just don't travel well Spies didn't either to start with after a race he'd go back to the States until he settled in Italy.

Colin Edwards commentates on out BT channel that covers Moto GP he also shows frustration at the lack of US riders which we will have over here if we are not careful because our domestic Superbike series maybe very strong but it's a monumental leap to a Moto GP bike managed by very few even via WSB and hopefully the new series over here to find future riding talent will be succefull.

Hence why I mentioned Joe Roberts rather than wait for maybe no existent politics to make his life easier he's getting off his backside and doing it the hard way but at least the kid is trying and has been smart enough to do it via a Spanish team.
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Hayden would have been perfect to help develop new talent and guide new riders in the US if he would have felt the desire to do so after retirement.

What a loss.

However, ultimately it boils down to the fact that interest in motorcycle racing is just not there here in the states. Particularly when you hear that all the top riders got started racing in kindergarten.

There just is not the opportunity or level of interest here to support that kind of development.
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It's interesting that US riders dominated international road racing from 1977 when Steve Baker was the first American to win a international championship in "Formula 750", he finished second that year to Barry Sheene in what was than the 500cc MotoGP championship. Through Kenny Roberts, Sr. in '78, '79, & '80; Freddie Spencer, Eddie Lawson, Wayne Rainey, Kevin Schwantz, Kenny Roberts, Jr. in '00, and lastly Nicky Hayden in '06.

US riders competed well in both WBSK and MotoGP, during that time as well with Doug Polen, Scott Russell, Doug Chandler, Bubba Shobert, Ben Bostrom, and I'm sure I'm missing a few

Ben Spies showed up and stunned the WSBK paddock by winning the championship in his rookie season in '09, and transferred to MotoGP in '10.

However, here's where politics comes into play. in 2010 Dorna created the "Rookie Rule" meaning that no MotoGP rookie rider could ride a factory bike, supposedly in a cost cutting effort. So, Spies was relegated to the Tech 3 team which didn't have top tier equipment in what was then the 800cc four stroke class. Ben did well, but subsequent injuries forced his retirement in 2013.

Of course in 2013, just when a well known Moto3 and Moto2 Spanish rider was to debut in MotoGP, (just when an annoying Aussie named Stoner was retiring from his factory Honda ride) surprisingly the Spanish company responsible for making the rules, Dorna, abandoned the "Rookie Rule" so some kid named Marc Marquez could ride the factory Honda, and not be relegated to less competitive machinery, and we all know how that turned out.

There have been other Americans who did well, Randy Mamola, John Koczinski, but they were in the 80's and 90's. John Hopper was competitive for a while. And now Joe Roberts is struggling for a toe hold.

Somewhere along the line the popularity of road racing in the US fell flat and the talent pool dried up. Unfortunate, but maybe with the MotoAmerica series some new talent will emerge from the states.
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DMG's horrible mismanagement of the american series definitely takes the brunt of the blame.

I think at one point, the superbike series was down to 5 races a year and a couple handful of riders. Daytona 200 was a joke. I think I remember a pace car almost taking out riders in a race at Laguna. It was a mess!

AMA and Wayne Rainey taking back control in 2014 was definitely a turning point. But the damage has probably been done and it'll take several more years to develop a new crop of riders.
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Since PB did what they did I still haven't got a handle on its replacement so bare with me.

















Perfect table when you have had a domestic!!







The Moto 2 bike was the only one I saw in the paddock they obviously drew the short straw all the rest had pit garages and my pass doesn't cover me for pit lane,and the other photos were taken at god knows what O clock in the morning to beat the rush and as you can see quite misty.
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DMG's horrible mismanagement of the american series definitely takes the brunt of the blame.

I think at one point, the superbike series was down to 5 races a year and a couple handful of riders. Daytona 200 was a joke. I think I remember a pace car almost taking out riders in a race at Laguna. It was a mess!

AMA and Wayne Rainey taking back control in 2014 was definitely a turning point. But the damage has probably been done and it'll take several more years to develop a new crop of riders.

I'd go along with that and riders in the States have the added complication called money!!! motorcycle racing gets to a certain level and it ceases to be a sport and becomes a business a rider has maybe 10 years to earn enough to last a lifetime who wants to spend half their life on a aeroplane travelling the world( Stoner didn't)when they could stay in the States do 8 races a year and earn just as much their are some well paid riders in Moto GP but not many and just like world endurance (anyone see the Bol this year)is seeing a influx of out of work moto gp guys I think the US will see the same.
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