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Old 04-06-2018, 11:27 AM
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SPOILER - Argentina MotoGP...

Another MotoGP this weekend, just starting to warm up, here are the times from FP1,

Part of the Termas de Rio Hondo circuit has been resurfaced ahead of this year's event. This weekend's tyre allocation has been increased to four different fronts and four different rear slicks as a result.

https://www.crash.net/motogp/results...tice-1-results

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2018 Argentina MotoGP - Free Practice (1) Results

FP1 was dry, but some rain is forecast during all three days...



Dani Pedrosa ESP Repsol Honda (RC213V) 1m 40.303s [Lap 17/18] 328km/h (Top Speed)

Cal Crutchlow GBR LCR Honda (RC213V) 1m 40.345s +0.042s [17/18] 332k

Andrea Iannone ITA Suzuki Ecstar (GSX-RR) 1m 40.386s +0.083s [17/18] 324k

Johann Zarco FRA Monster Yamaha Tech3 (YZR-M1) 1m 40.614s +0.311s [19/20] 326k

Jack Miller AUS Pramac Ducati (GP17) 1m 40.715s +0.412s [18/18] 326k

Marc Marquez ESP Repsol Honda (RC213V) 1m 40.781s +0.478s [16/19] 333k

Valentino Rossi ITA Movistar Yamaha (YZR-M1) 1m 40.825s +0.522s [17/19] 328k

Andrea Dovizioso ITA Ducati Team (GP18) 1m 40.938s +0.635s [15/17] 329k

Jorge Lorenzo ESP Ducati Team (GP18) 1m 41.019s +0.716s [16/17] 330k

Danilo Petrucci ITA Pramac Ducati (GP18) 1m 41.066s +0.763s [13/15] 332k

Hafizh Syahrin MAL Monster Yamaha Tech3 (YZR-M1)* 1m 41.094s +0.791s [16/17] 324k

Aleix Espargaro ESP Factory Aprilia Gresini (RS-GP) 1m 41.163s +0.860s [20/20] 326k

Maverick Viñales ESP Movistar Yamaha (YZR-M1) 1m 41.224s +0.921s [20/20] 329k

Bradley Smith GBR Red Bull KTM Factory (RC16) 1m 41.286s +0.983s [16/18] 326k

Scott Redding GBR Factory Aprilia Gresini (RS-GP) 1m 41.346s +1.043s [14/15] 323k

Pol Espargaro ESP Red Bull KTM Factory (RC16) 1m 41.355s +1.052s [17/18] 328k

Tito Rabat ESP Reale Avintia (GP17) 1m 41.421s +1.118s [22/22] 329k

Takaaki Nakagami JPN LCR Honda (RC213V)* 1m 41.449s +1.146s [19/20] 323k

Franco Morbidelli ITA EG 0,0 Marc VDS (RC213V)* 1m 41.538s +1.235s [18/19] 321k

Alvaro Bautista ESP Angel Nieto Team (GP17) 1m 41.624s +1.321s [17/19] 331k

Alex Rins ESP Suzuki Ecstar (GSX-RR) 1m 41.802s +1.499s [18/20] 326k

Xavier Simeon ESP Reale Avintia (GP16)* 1m 42.192s +1.889s [16/17] 322k

Thomas Luthi SWI EG 0,0 Marc VDS (RC213V)* 1m 42.698s +2.395s [19/19] 319k

Karel Abraham CZE Angel Nieto Team (GP16) 1m 42.857s +2.554s [17/17] 324k
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Old 04-06-2018, 12:52 PM
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Re: SPOILER - Argentina MotoGP...

There are several riders this year that can make the podium. At the end of last season it was clear this upcoming season was going to be really interesting.
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Re: SPOILER - Argentina MotoGP...

FP 2 is in the books, what happened to Desmo Dovi?

http://www.superbikeplanet.com/honda...at-rio-motogp/
Honda’s Marquez Fastest in Second Practice at Rio MotoGP

Friday, April 6, 2018
Second Session results from the MotoGP event in Rio

Pos. Rider Team Bike Time
1 Marc Marquez Repsol Honda Team Honda RC213V 1:39.395
2 Cal Crutchlow LCR Honda Honda RC213V 1:39.799
3 Tito Rabat Reale Avintia Racing Ducati 1:40.346
4 Andrea Iannone Team SUZUKI ECSTAR Suzuki GSX-RR 1:40.455
5 Dani Pedrosa Repsol Honda Team Honda RC213V 1:40.494
6 Maverick Vinales Movistar Yamaha MotoGP Yamaha YZR-M1 1:40.510
7 Valentino Rossi Movistar Yamaha MotoGP Yamaha YZR-M1 1:40.577
8 Alex Rins Team SUZUKI ECSTAR Suzuki GSX-RR 1:40.592
9 Alvaro Bautista Pull&Bear Aspar Team Ducati 1:40.766
10 Aleix Espargaro Aprilia Racing Team Gresini Aprilia RS-GP 1:40.800
11 Scott Redding Octo Pramac Racing Ducati 1:40.839
12 Jack Miller Alma Pramac Racing Ducati 1:40.842
13 Danilo Petrucci Alma Pramac Racing Ducati 1:40.863
14 Johann Zarco Monster Yamaha Tech 3 Yamaha YZR-M1 1:40.974
15 Bradley Smith Red Bull KTM Factory Racing KTM 1:41.198
16 Hafizh Syahrin Monster Yamaha Tech 3 Yamaha YZR-M1 1:41.257
17 Jorge Lorenzo Ducati Team Ducati GP18 1:41.334
18 Takaaki Nakagami LCR Honda IDEMITSU Honda RC213V 1:41.357
19 Karel Abraham Ángel Nieto Team Ducati 1:41.784
20 Franco Morbidelli Team EG 0,0 Marc VDS Honda RC213V 1:41.832
21 Pol Espargaro Red Bull KTM Factory Racing KTM 1:41.867
22 Thomas Luthi Team EG 0,0 Marc VDS Honda RC213V 1:41.898
23 Xavier Simeon Reale Avintia Racing Ducati 1:42.242
24 Andrea Dovizioso Ducati Team Ducati GP18 1:42.973
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Re: SPOILER - Argentina MotoGP...

Wet qualifying, Jack Miller had the balls to go out on slicks, and on his last lap, slipping and sliding made to the pole, very cool. Marquez tried slicks but thought better of it and went back out on wets, wound up 5th, Rossi & Vinales struggling. Hopefully it will be a dry race!

Pramac Ducati Rider and Australian Jacl Miller on Pole at Rio After Wet/Dry/Wet Qualifying Session in MotoGP sees Rossi and Marquez Out-Paced
Results of Q2 below …

http://www.superbikeplanet.com/mille...ion-in-motogp/

Pos. Rider Team Bike Time
1 Jack Miller Alma Pramac Racing Ducati 1:47.153
2 Dani Pedrosa Repsol Honda Team Honda RC213V 1:47.330
3 Johann Zarco Monster Yamaha Tech 3 Yamaha YZR-M1 1:47.365
4 Tito Rabat Reale Avintia Racing Ducati 1:47.681
5 Alex Rins Team SUZUKI ECSTAR Suzuki GSX-RR 1:47.743
6 Marc Marquez Repsol Honda Team Honda RC213V 1:47.754
7 Aleix Espargaro Aprilia Racing Team Gresini Aprilia RS-GP 1:47.845
8 Andrea Dovizioso Ducati Team Ducati GP18 1:48.247
9 Maverick Vinales Movistar Yamaha MotoGP Yamaha YZR-M1 1:49.044
10 Cal Crutchlow LCR Honda Honda RC213V 1:49.304
11 Valentino Rossi Movistar Yamaha MotoGP Yamaha YZR-M1 1:49.326
12 Andrea Iannone Team SUZUKI ECSTAR Suzuki GSX-RR 1:49.975
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Re: SPOILER - Argentina MotoGP...

Looks like there is your answer why Pedrosa is still riding for Honda.
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Re: SPOILER - Argentina MotoGP...

Holy crap!
Jack Miller on turn 8 nearly highsided as his rear almost went around on him, left foot looses footing on the pegs but still managed to stand up and saved the turn!

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Re: SPOILER - Argentina MotoGP...

Well... Markie is still a douche. His race flag should have been colored Black.

Rule #1: Don't run over Valentino Rossi.

Rule #2: Don't try to walk into Valle's garage if you just knocked him down.

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That Marquez guy is dangerous and not a sportsman like Rossi. Marquez is the anti-sportsman.
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1 25 35 Cal CRUTCHLOW GBR LCR Honda CASTROL Honda 170.4 40'36.342
2 20 5 Johann ZARCO FRA Monster Yamaha Tech 3 Yamaha 170.4 +0.251
3 16 42 Alex RINS SPA Team SUZUKI ECSTAR Suzuki 170.2 +2.501
4 13 43 Jack MILLER AUS Alma Pramac Racing Ducati 170.1 +4.390
5 11 25 Maverick VIÑALES SPA Movistar Yamaha MotoGP Yamaha 169.3 +14.941
6 10 4 Andrea DOVIZIOSO ITA Ducati Team Ducati 168.8 +22.533
7 9 53 Tito RABAT SPA Reale Avintia Racing Ducati 168.8 +23.026
8 8 29 Andrea IANNONE ITA Team SUZUKI ECSTAR Suzuki 168.7 +23.921
9 7 55 Hafizh SYAHRIN MAL Monster Yamaha Tech 3 Yamaha 168.7 +24.311
10 6 9 Danilo PETRUCCI ITA Alma Pramac Racing Ducati 168.6 +26.003
11 5 44 Pol ESPARGARO SPA Red Bull KTM Factory Racing KTM 168.2 +31.022
12 4 45 Scott REDDING GBR Aprilia Racing Team Gresini Aprilia 168.2 +31.891
13 3 30 Takaaki NAKAGAMI JPN LCR Honda IDEMITSU Honda 168.1 +32.452
14 2 21 Franco MORBIDELLI ITA EG 0,0 Marc VDS Honda 167.5 +42.061
15 1 99 Jorge LORENZO SPA Ducati Team Ducati 167.5 +42.274
16 19 Alvaro BAUTISTA SPA Angel Nieto Team Ducati 167.5 +42.625
17 12 Thomas LUTHI SWI EG 0,0 Marc VDS Honda 167.4 +43.350
18 93 Marc MARQUEZ SPA Repsol Honda Team Honda 169.4 +43.860
19 46 Valentino ROSSI ITA Movistar Yamaha MotoGP Yamaha 166.8 +52.082
20 17 Karel ABRAHAM CZE Angel Nieto Team Ducati 166.0 +1'03.944
21 10 Xavier SIMEON BEL Reale Avintia Racing Ducati 165.6 +1'10.144
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41 Aleix ESPARGARO SPA Aprilia Racing Team Gresini Aprilia 166.2 11 Laps
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For all sorts of reasons i’d Class that race as one of life’s interesting experiences.
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Just amazing how much quicker Marquez is over the rest of the field in Argentina
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That race seemed in the bag for MM and boring to watch. I'm glad I watched. There was more drama than a season of soap operas in that race. Marquez takes no prisoners. The 17th place rider gave him a battle for 3 turns before he had enough and forced the schmuck wide. He was Massachusetts like til he got to Rossi and forced him wide. Even a Masshole knows his limits. Plenty of lead changes, great racing. Go Cal Crutchlow!
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Didn’t know about that rule at the start grid.
What did they have to poke the Lion.

What Marc did today was unnecessary. He was beyond faster than anyone in the planet today.
However reckless , he did try to apologize. Obviously Mt. Saint would have none of it. Mr. Saint has never engaged in reckless , shady racing in his whole career. Just ask Stoner.

Today, Marc learned a couple of things:
1- Marc is faster than anyone in that grid. He’s been holding back.
2- Marc needs to take a deep look at today’s events and think hard about all the things he did wrong. It was unnecessary. He was faster than the Primadonna. All that recklessness did not give him 5th place, but 18th. And contact with Mr. Drama.

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That was the oddest race I can remember. I still don't understand what happened before the start of the race to have the grid spaced the way it was. And how Marquez got away without having to start from the pits And certainly Marquez is the fastest guy in the class, but you'd have think after the number of seasons in the top class he'd have tempered his recklessness a little bit, but apparently not. And sure he and Rossi have history, but Rossi had pretty much put the sword back in its sheath after the 2015 season. IMO Marquez should've been black flagged after taking Rossi out - just as a precaution so he didn't take anyone else out.

Anyway congratulations to Cal, well done. And Zarco's time is coming.
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It was declared a wet race wasn't it?

So shouldn't everybody have had to start on the tyres they had on, and then come in to change bikes like any other declared wet race?

Then Jack would have won in a canter.

Maybe I've got it mixed up.
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Race Direction at the Argentina GP was pathetic. On the screen the race was noted Delayed Due To Safety Precautions. It was delayed because all but Jack Miller left the starting grid. In Grand Prix Speedway, the Race Referee is making his call in a matter of seconds and anybody who leaves the grid does not come back. Rules are rules and Moto GP changed them all today.

Safety? All but Miller had rain tires, so all could ride wet or dry. Once off the grid they are penalized to start from Pit Lane... now that may have been the safety concern. It makes for tons of excitement in Motocross starts! I remember Nicky and Valentino battling each other at Indianapolis in a hurricane! Safety?

It blew my mind when Markie Mouth push starts his bike (that was badass) then rides against the group to his grid spot after being told to go to Pit Lane. That was Dumbass Mistake #1 and a Safety Violation.

Now he pushes Espargaro and his Aprilla off line when he forgets to slow down and pass safely. Dumbass Mistake #2 and a Safety Violation.

Uh oh... runs the mighty Rossi off the track, again forgetting to slow down in a corner. Dumbass Mistake #3 and a Safety Violation. That boy has a touch of Lord Vader Syndrome... he thinks he is The Force.

Dorna should be thinking a real safety issue just might be happening here and it isn't the rain. As a rider matures and rides like an immortal god, should he not show a form of respect to the rest of the world. His after race interview shows him squirming every time he opens his Markie Mouth... absolutely no contrition for half of his lame-brained actions.

In MM's vocabulary, Humble is only a word.

Ok I'm making serious fun of the youngster and maybe I've got it all wrong, but this I do know... you do not walk into Valentino Rossi's Garage looking to beg forgiveness with a handful of pissed off Italians in your face!

And that is Extra Large Dumbass Safety Violation #4.
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All I know is I can't wait until the next race! That my friends was racing! Not an MM fan...but he's winning me over....loved it!
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Regardless of his incredible skill, Marquez is an asshole who has no respect for his fellow riders... he is a disgrace to the sport. And yes, race direction was an abomination, an embarrassment to MotoGP, and worse than anything you might see at the lowest level club race. Marquez deserved nothing less than a black flag in my opinion...
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And if one of those riders MM hit had sustained a serious injury then what? There is no doubt he is talented beyond measure - however he does not know how to control that talent.

Racing is dangerous - and certainly taking risks comes with racing and certainly incidents are going to happen during such racing - but everything MM did today was avoidable.

I also don't understand what the heck happened before the race - why was the entire field able to get off the grid before the start - the race was declared a wet race - the riders needed to start the race and then pit in for a bike change - I think? Jack Miller got seriously robbed today if I understand the rules or at least what usually are the rules?
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Very interesting discussion of Marquez and today's race here, http://www.superbikeplanet.com/with-...esponsibility/
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Pretty disappointed that MM wasn't simply disqualified... as dirty as it gets.

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And if one of those riders MM hit had sustained a serious injury then what? There is no doubt he is talented beyond measure - however he does not know how to control that talent.

Racing is dangerous - and certainly taking risks comes with racing and certainly incidents are going to happen during such racing - but everything MM did today was avoidable.

I also don't understand what the heck happened before the race - why was the entire field able to get off the grid before the start - the race was declared a wet race - the riders needed to start the race and then pit in for a bike change - I think? Jack Miller got seriously robbed today if I understand the rules or at least what usually are the rules?

Them rules seem pretty "élastique" !!
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And if one of those riders MM hit had sustained a serious injury then what? There is no doubt he is talented beyond measure - however he does not know how to control that talent.

Racing is dangerous - and certainly taking risks comes with racing and certainly incidents are going to happen during such racing - but everything MM did today was avoidable.

I also don't understand what the heck happened before the race - why was the entire field able to get off the grid before the start - the race was declared a wet race - the riders needed to start the race and then pit in for a bike change - I think? Jack Miller got seriously robbed today if I understand the rules or at least what usually are the rules?

I believe that was my point Bruce. Just because all the others made a wrong tyre choice shouldn't have mattered. They should have started the race and then pitted to change bikes.

Still, it's more interesting than Formula 1.
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Whoa! WTF was that?

I'm speechless. The entire race pre-start to post-finish, front to back was action packed. Incredible.


And Saluccio putting up the WALL to MM coming to apologize. You can't make this stuff up!


All the drama kinda overshadowed the fact that MM was clearly light years ahead of everyone else. It was like he was riding a superbike and everyone else supersports.
Last year he struggled with the bike at the beginning of the season. And he won.
This year he is soooo far ahead. He's got to be the favorite.

Love him or hate him. He's the class of the field, even if he's classless.
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Regardless of his incredible skill, Marquez is an asshole who has no respect for his fellow riders... he is a disgrace to the sport. And yes, race direction was an abomination, an embarrassment to MotoGP, and worse than anything you might see at the lowest level club race. Marquez deserved nothing less than a black flag in my opinion...

How much more does someone need to do to get blackflagged???
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I believe that was my point Bruce. Just because all the others made a wrong tyre choice shouldn't have mattered. They should have started the race and then pitted to change bikes.

Still, it's more interesting than Formula 1.
Yes, technically they should have. But race direction in all its wisdom decided that was too dangerous to have the entire field pit all at once (at the end of lap 1). So they conjured up that ridiculous fiasco and screwed Jack Miller in the process.

Maybe what they should have done is let them start as normal and then give them each a 30 second penalty as an equivalent of having to pit?

As for Marquez, fuck he was fast. And fuck was he an ass who should have been black flagged.
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People say that Marquez can ride a motorcycle like no one else. That could be true but in my book racing isn't just knowing how to ride a bike like a madman. It is riding like hell but within the confinements of racing rules and regulations and having at least some sort of respect for the safety of the other riders.
Marquez had no special rights to torpedo others because they are slower or just because they are in front of him. Like everybody else he has to wait for the moment passing is safe and within the rules.
His ever uptight daddy hasn't told him this earlier in life, or Boy Wonder just doesn't care. Either way, Marquez has the wrong attitude and because of it, he's dangerous.
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Regardless of his incredible skill, Marquez is an asshole who has no respect for his fellow riders... he is a disgrace to the sport. And yes, race direction was an abomination, an embarrassment to MotoGP, and worse than anything you might see at the lowest level club race. Marquez deserved nothing less than a black flag in my opinion...

He thinks as long as he waves his hand and "apologizes" everything's cool - he still doesn't appear to get it, from what I can tell from interviews... so he was faster? Doesn't give him the right to barge.

What if everyone rode like that?! He should be given a point against his license, IMHO. This won't end well...
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Race Control have no one to blame but themselves after what Canet did on Friday and got no penalty all the other riders must be thinking they can get away with anything including Marquez which was bordering on the lunatic.

What went on on the start line was very straight forward it’s called ‘Mob Rule’ and they got away with it.
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Well done Marc Marquez, you have certainly rattled the Valerie fan base.

Now, theres still pay back for Stoner (ambitions & capabilities) and maybe Max (bitten by mosquito) would appreciate a bump...Gibernau....wasn't that an incident years ago?

Rossi supporters, 50.000 fans at the track, but only 25.000 eyes on the race.
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Race Control have no one to blame but themselves after what Canet did on Friday and got no penalty all the other riders must be thinking they can get away with anything including Marquez which was bordering on the lunatic.

What went on on the start line was very straight forward it’s called ‘Mob Rule’ and they got away with it.
Seems as though Race Control is not doing much controlling are they? Are they waiting for one of these riders to get seriously injured or killed because of this type of riding?

You would think the teams would put enough pressure on Race Control they would have no choice but to take action - maybe if enough teams decided not to show up that would send the message.

Then again with this crazy organization they would simply continue on and some how fine the teams - bar the teams - something crazy.
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It is a different style of riding to be sure.
I don't disagree with Rossi when he says MM does this on purpose.
But I think he does it because he can get away with riding 11/10th's. While if anyone else does it, it would be assault and battery with a deadly weapon.

I'm not making excuses for him. Like I've said before, if I wanted to watch door banging racing, I'd watch NASCAR. the race at the front was much better viewing than the demolition derby at the back, imo. Feel bad for Jack and Danny. Happy for Crutchlow. If Zarco get a bike that lasts the whole race, he'll be a force every race!

What I think we are seeing is two racers at opposite ends of their career. Age has tempered Rossi's fight. Wisdom has replaced pure aggression. If MM needs to see how it's done, Rossi coming from the back of the field at the 2015 finale at Valencia is a good example even though he came up short. (OK, ok, most just got out of his way)


I'll be interested to see what Max Oxley has to say about all this. I always enjoy his point of view...
Any precedent for a 1 race ban?
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I reckon everything that happened in Argentina was pre-planned to sell more tickets at Austin.

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Agostini's words. Link below, you'll need to english translate.

http://www.corsedimoto.com/in-pista/...-po-esagerato/


"The problem was born only because it is about them," added Agostini. "Zarco, however, pushed Pedrosa out, the protagonist of a very dangerous fall, and nobody talks about it. Valentino hit Gibernau in Jerez and nobody took action. All pilots must understand that these things can happen. Of course, Marc has to pay more attention, but he does not go beyond a driver asking for his permission. " To those who call for a tightening of sanctions, he replies: " He has already paid in the race, as he has not earned any points. Many people in Italy say they should skip two or three races, but I do not think it's right. He has already served the penalty. "

What the former Italian pilot has not digested were the words with which Rossi attacked Marquez, saying he was looking for contact on purpose. "It's nonsense, it makes no sense," said Ago. Even more sharp is when he comments on the fear expressed by Valentino in sharing the track with the MotoGP champion: "From his whole life he runs at 300 km / h and now he's afraid. If so, go to work in the bank. He has a little exaggerated. At the moment the situation is incandescent, but I hope that in the end we forget everything. "

In conclusion, Agostini is convinced that the race in Argentina will not affect Marquez's behavior in the next races: "I'm sure he will do as usual, he will try to win and show that at this moment he is the strongest of all."
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"The problem was born only because it is about them," added Agostini. "Zarco, however, pushed Pedrosa out, the protagonist of a very dangerous fall, and nobody talks about it. Valentino hit Gibernau in Jerez and nobody took action. All pilots must understand that these things can happen. Of course, Marc has to pay more attention, but he does not go beyond a driver asking for his permission. " To those who call for a tightening of sanctions, he replies: " He has already paid in the race, as he has not earned any points. Many people in Italy say they should skip two or three races, but I do not think it's right. He has already served the penalty. "

What the former Italian pilot has not digested were the words with which Rossi attacked Marquez, saying he was looking for contact on purpose. "It's nonsense, it makes no sense," said Ago. Even more sharp is when he comments on the fear expressed by Valentino in sharing the track with the MotoGP champion: "From his whole life he runs at 300 km / h and now he's afraid. If so, go to work in the bank. He has a little exaggerated. At the moment the situation is incandescent, but I hope that in the end we forget everything. "

In conclusion, Agostini is convinced that the race in Argentina will not affect Marquez's behavior in the next races: "I'm sure he will do as usual, he will try to win and show that at this moment he is the strongest of all."
Well Agostini himself is choosing to see what he wants to see. It was not all about MM and VR.

It starts with MM not following two marshals directions to leave the track before the start of the race.

Then he has to do a ride through the pits as penalty for not complying. Now there is no doubt how fast MM is but he found himself at the back of the pack and he was really fired up.

He cuts off Espargaro received a penalty he had to drop back 1 position. Again he is so much faster than everyone he continues to take no prisoners.

Comes up on VR and decides to go under him where there is no room on the wettest corner on the track - causing VR to crash.

Okay it was the craziest race I can remember but here is the deal breaker for me in Agostini's argument - if MM's behavior on Sunday was something we had never seen before - it may have been looked at in a different light - he was fired up made bad judgments trying to get into the points.

MM rides like this all the time - if he continues to do so one day he is either going to get himself seriously injured(that's okay if he hurts himself) or he going to get someone seriously injured.

In regard to Zarco taking out Pedrosa he certainly was aggressive and if race direction had given him a penalty I don't think anyone would have argued the point.

The difference Zarco did not blow down riders like dominos all during the race.

I understand this is the highest level of road racing - these riders are the best in the world and have huge egos - but you can't let the inmates run the asylum.

If MM is one of or wants to become the greatest rider in MotoGP he has to use his skills to get there without the race literally becoming a battlefield to him.
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Rossi hits Sete 13 years ago and everyone brings it up equating Rossi's racing style with MM.
that is laughable. those that do have a hidden agenda or just haven't watched much racing.

It is obvious to me Agostini has an agenda.

If you look at the contact Rossi made with Gibernau, Rossi did not dive bomb him and ram him on a trajectory that would not have made the corner as MM did. In Jerez 2005 Rossi pulled alongside and they both wanted the same piece of track when they both went for the apex. Contact was less front to back and more side to side. Stunning in 2005, But that would have been considered aggressive but clean today.

The "craziness" of MM is the new reality I'm afraid unless Dorna does something drastic. Look at Moto3 and Moto2. It's a free for all. And the riders are coming up getting used to the aggresion and contact.
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Hard to tell whats best, the racing or Rossi fan base melt down.
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I dont deny that I thoroughly enjoyed most of Sunday's race pre race and post race drama.

I can appreciate the utter otherworldliness of MM's performance in the wet/drying track.

The whole fan base meltdown is what it is. Everyone on that grid is ready for Rossi to retire. But no one has carried the sport like him for so long.
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I blame race control they should have locked the exits off the track and forced all of them to start on wets jumping Jack excepted and when Marquez stalled the bike held the grid up till they dragged him off.

What we all saw was mob rule and until Dorna regain control and in fairness they have not had it for some time for a varity reasons anarchy will prevail like it did on Sunday.

As for Marquez he’s owed Rossi one for a while and that was payback time but two wrongs don’t make a right and they need to get him sorted out our because if he’s not out of control he’s Pretty close to it.
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I blame race control they should have locked the exits off the track and forced all of them to start on wets jumping Jack excepted and when Marquez stalled the bike held the grid up till they dragged him off.

What we all saw was mob rule and until Dorna regain control and in fairness they have not had it for some time for a varity reasons anarchy will prevail like it did on Sunday.

As for Marquez he’s owed Rossi one for a while and that was payback time but two wrongs don’t make a right and they need to get him sorted out our because if he’s not out of control he’s Pretty close to it.
Chris I agree with all of this. Dorna needs to enforce the rules - in fact have good rules and disregarding who violates the rules stick to them.
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Another victim, of Zarco, is Pedrosa, looks like he's going to miss at least Texas following surgery on his arm/wrist following his Argentina highside

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Chris I agree with all of this. Dorna needs to enforce the rules - in fact have good rules and disregarding who violates the rules stick to them.

The mistake so many make is not realising first and foremost Moto GP is business and a sport second with any business their is a management now trying to work out exactly who that management is can be complicated so the days of the Dorna hierarchy saying this is how it’s going to be done is long time past and their are certain riders who have a great deal of power which in reality is the tail wagging the dog and hence the situation you see Moto GP in.
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A blast from the past Jerez 2005, when Rossi bounced Giberau into the pebbles, although to my (admittedly biased eye) it didn't seem as blatant as MM's run this weekend. MM's run this weekend more reminded me of Rossi submarining Stoner a few years back,

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Being classless, is when you walk into an opponents garage to apologise, with your helmet on.

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Being classless, is when you walk into an opponents garage to apologise, with your helmet on.
He wanted to go right over and didn't think about it - but then again maybe he was playing safe.
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You see, that's the thing.
Rossi fuks up and owns it right away. Helmet on or helmet off.

And yeah. That accident taking out Stoner was a HUGE mistake.

But if you want to continue making comparisons, Rossi was on a clearly inferior bike, having a miserable season, trying as hard as he could to make the ducati work for him.

MM was on a clearly superior bike that was running over a second faster per lap.


But clearly, people see what they want to see. Me included... We all have our bias.
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Most interesting to me was seeing Rossi’s mate telling Marquez to F Off and taking center stage and everyone in the garage letting him I think the American terminology is ‘You can see who has the juice’
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I was surprised by this as well.

But replaying the incident, it looked like it was initially a united front with Jarvis and Uccio telling Puig and MM they were not welcome...



Then Uccio taking over and playing it up for the cameras which might have been for the better not being directly employed(?) by yamaha.

I would have liked to have seen Rossi come out, but I don't blame him for not.
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I was surprised by this as well.

But replaying the incident, it looked like it was initially a united front with Jarvis and Uccio telling Puig and MM they were not welcome...



Then Uccio taking over and playing it up for the cameras which might have been for the better not being directly employed(?) by yamaha.

I would have liked to have seen Rossi come out, but I don't blame him for not.

According to the Spanish press, Uccio is paid a salary by Yamaha (though undoubtedly at Rossi's request). So technically he is a Yamaha employee. But agree better him than an actual representative of the marque.
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There are a lot of interesting relationships in the MotoGP paddock for a long time i’ve Thought Uccio is a lot more than Rossi’s goffer boardering on an equal footing just as you always see Poncheral being interviewed for Tech3 but he is only the co-owner.
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This paragraph holds merit.

One day Rossi will figure out that the best way to avoid Marquez running into you is to ride faster than him. You can’t hit what you can’t catch. But that appears a tad too difficult.


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One day Rossi will figure out that the best way to avoid Marquez running into you is to ride faster than him. You can’t hit what you can’t catch.

LOL!!!!
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Interesting reading Matt Oxleys take on Sunday on Moto Matters but probably the first admission i’ve Seen anywhere of real the HP that MotoGP bikes produce,i’ve Had all sorts of numbers whispered to me as it seems a taboo subject but I see slowly but surely the real numbers are stating to turn up
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This paragraph holds merit.

One day Rossi will figure out that the best way to avoid Marquez running into you is to ride faster than him. You can’t hit what you can’t catch. But that appears a tad too difficult.


https://www.motorcyclealliance.com.a...o-in-pit-lane/

From the article: "But not our Jack. He was determined to show the world his astonishingly large nuts are matched only by his clearly freakish stupidity,..."
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One day Rossi will figure out that the best way to avoid Marquez running into you is to ride faster than him. You can’t hit what you can’t catch. But that appears a tad too difficult.


https://www.motorcyclealliance.com.a...o-in-pit-lane/


That's the funniest shit I've read about MotoGP ever. What made it funnier was that every word of it was true.

The whole start of the race was a cluster fcuk from the moment they let everyone leave the grid to swap tires without having to start on the wets. If they'd made them start the race then they'd all be in the pits swapping bikes after the first lap or two while Miller was gapping the field. Then MM doesn't stall his bike, everyone is spread out and maybe there's less bumpin' and rubbin' and then Marquez probably still wins the race about about 4 minutes ahead of the fastest man in the world i.e. Crutchlow.
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There were so many good quotes in that article I wouldn't know where to start.
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There were so many good quotes in that article I wouldn't know where to start.

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Good thing for Marquez that Kevin Schwantz isn't a race marshall,

http://www.superbikeplanet.com/93-wo...-youre-faster/

According to Kevin Schwantz, there is a simple answer to the quandary over Marc Marquez’s actions at the recent Rio Grand Prix. In the race (won by Cal Crutchlow) Marc Marquez was penalized for his actions in the Rio Grand Prix which saw Valentino Rossi on the ground after Marquez made his pass.

“As a rider you can’t knock someone down just because you’re four seconds a lap faster than they are. It’s really basic. I think that it’s still something that they teach in every new rider school for racers: that it is the responsibility of the rider making the pass to insure that the pass is safe and clean.”

Reigning world champion Marquez has been the focus of global criticism because of the incident with Rossi. Marquez attempted to apologize to Rossi after the incident but was re-buffed.

And how to move forward?

“He doesn’t get another ‘again’. I think that Dorna should sit him (Marquez) down and explain it to him in the frankest terms they can–that if he initiates contact with another rider, in a race, in practice, and there is contact, then he’s done for the season.”
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