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Hi. Am now the happy owner of a 2013 year 30 year anni version of the K1300S - very pleased with it!!
Want to remove the db killer from the Akra end can, but see it has a spot weld holding it in place. Any ideas as best way forward- drill / dremel the weld, tap off with hammer / screwdriver or just "force" the nut round? Any idea of the bolt size- can get an allen key in it, but if "forcing" is way forwards then spanner offers more leverage.
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Dremel then remove it with the proper size tool. "Forcing it" won't work and will result in ruining the fastener. I left mine in FWIW-2015 MS Edition.
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I believe the bolt is 8mm.
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Re: K1300S added to the R. Advice removing Akra db killer.

So, how did the job go? You happy?

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Anyone know if removing the DB killer (butt plug) does anything but increase noise on an otherwise stock bike with the Akra OEM muffler??
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Not hard evidence, but I would guess removing the DB muffler insert would tend to lean the bike out a bit. Issues with lean stalling on stock bikes have been discussed at length in other threads, as well as a product marketed by Beemerboneyard (AF-XIED) that can trick the ECM into a richer mixture. I'm leaving my muffler stock and plan on the AF-XIED in the near future. FWIW.
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I removed my Akro DB Killer and didn't encounter any significant stalling / leaning issues although my K1300 did have horrible flat spot between 4k and 6k RPM under heavy load even with stock silencer and same with Akro and the DB killer still fitted so removing it didn't seem to make this any worse as far as I could tell. So I have since fitted an AF-XIED and that DOES get rid of flat spot and improve throttle response all round.
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I removed my Akro DB Killer and didn't encounter any significant stalling / leaning issues although my K1300 did have horrible flat spot between 4k and 6k RPM under heavy load even with stock silencer and same with Akro and the DB killer still fitted so removing it didn't seem to make this any worse as far as I could tell. So I have since fitted an AF-XIED and that DOES get rid of flat spot and improve throttle response all round.

I wonder on my 2015 K1300s motorsports if it has been tuned or modified in some other way. No flat spots, stalling or other issues. There is no AF-XIED installed or other device as far as I can tell and I have all the plastic off the bike looking for this. I checked the throttle assembly and the throttle limiter solenoid was not shimmed out (I did this mod when I was in there). I bought a AF-XIED & installed it but removed it before even starting the bike when I decided to go ahead and get a full Bren tune to the ECU. The Bren tuning should be complete this week & only thing I will be waiting on is another Sprint intake filter from Bren Tuning.
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Remus Hexcone is your friend.

Beech does the Remus Hexcone come with a link pipe that eliminates the stock exh. valve?
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dynajohn-since you're not going to use the AF-XIED, would you be interested in selling?
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Yes but give me a few days, out of town right now. Bren Tune files came back this morning, great service from this outfit. Damn I wish I was home to install tune. They gave me all tunes available for K1300s. This is important since this includes a Akra tune for their full system which I intend to buy in the future. Bren says that most folks that install Akra full system without a tune for it get less than full results possible.

Edit: Bren does a lot of tuning work for drag racers & road racers on the BMW 1000 RR as well as a ton of mods & tuning for the Subaru WRX. Most of the 1000 RR guys use Akra or Brock pipes so this is where Bren comes from with their statement to me that without tuning the Akra race pipes do not show what they actually are capable of. They will work without tuning but you get low to mid range losses with a minimum more HP up top as was stated here earlier.
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I'm happy with the BHP I've got, but want to clean it up a bit from the lean running for emissions. The Bren tune with the full exhaust sounds like a great way to make big horsepower. Hit me up when you return. THX.
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Beech does the Remus Hexcone come with a link pipe that eliminates the stock exh. valve?


No. it slips on the spherical connector. Eliminating the internal exhaust flap diminishes low end torque. It opens when there is a need for full flow. The Remus Hexcone comes with a removeable (easy) end baffle and is not excessively loud with it out. Just right as baby bear says. It is light and high quality. No repacking ever needed. I have had mine for 10 years now and it still looks fine. Keep in mind, any exhaust mods made on a bike built after 2013 are illegal in California and some other states. Some places are starting to take a look for the Federal embossment on the silencer. Of Course we know which brand of bike gets the most attention. This Remus addition with the silencer core in place made 149 rear wheel hp, with the item removed it made 154 rear wheel HP. With the addition of Blendzall fuel additive it made 155 HP. I think that last hp was friction reduction from the top end lube properties of Blendzall. Installing stuff and not checking it on a dyno leads to guessing.












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Thanks Beech. I had a Remus Hexcone slip on my Honda VFR 1200, very high quality muffler assembly. I always tune my bikes for these changes. Anyway else and it is just a guess what the results are. More noise does not necessarily mean better performance. Nice super clean looking bike and the shop looks as clean as the bike.
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Dynajohn . what is the throttle solenoid shim mod you mentioned ?
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Dynajohn . what is the throttle solenoid shim mod you mentioned ?

There is a small solenoid with a plunger that retracts attached to the throttle assembly. It's function is to prevent the throttle plates from opening 100% when the plunger is extended. It is controlled by the bikes ECU to prevent full throttle in 1st,2nd & 3rd gear. One of those safety measures probably insisted on by BMW's lawyers. I installed shims to space it out .030 which required two longer screws. If you do this don't simply disconnect the plug to the solenoid. If you do the bike will throw a code leave it connected.
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John - thanks so if I understand correctly, I locate the solenoid and add 0.03 (Is that inches or mm) spacer between the body of the solenoid and the throttle assembly ? Any pointers to the location / picture of the solenoid ?
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Re: K1300S added to the R. Advice removing Akra db killer.

I like that shimming of the throttle stop. I have heard of that before. I need to pull my air box and re route some wiring I installed for the hot start problem (which it fixed!!) so while I'm in there I'll do the shim trick. I have a friend who installed a small "shoe" from some aftermarket source in his throttle housing that changes the full open from 3/4+ of a turn of the grip for wide open to a little over half a turn. He loves it. I am always surprised a little when I manage to go WOT passing a car or two, it always takes a dedicated effort to get the throttle twisted all the way open. You can go around weeks using most of the power but when you go for it, it is always sweet.
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John - thanks … so if I understand correctly, I locate the solenoid and add 0.03 (Is that inches or mm) spacer between the body of the solenoid and the throttle assembly ? Any pointers to the location / picture of the solenoid ?

It is inches. I used two small washers on each screw to space it out that were sized for the metric screws. You have to remove the gas tank and some plastic pieces. Be careful removing the gas quick connect on the gas tank, it is made of plastic and easily broken. I took the opportunity to replace this plastic quick connect with a brass fitting kit available from vendors on this site. Before doing this job I removed all of the rubber hoses from the back of the air box as they block access to the throttle assembly on the throttle body's. These hoses were numbered sequentially so it was easy to get them back in correct order. After you pull the hoses the solenoid is in the middle and has a wiring connector. Disconnect the wire connector, remove the two metric fastener screws that holds the solenoid, place the spacers between the solenoid and the throttle assembly and reinstall the two longer metric screws with blue Loctite. Plug the wire connector back in and reassemble other parts.

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I like that shimming of the throttle stop. I have heard of that before. I need to pull my air box and re route some wiring I installed for the hot start problem (which it fixed!!) so while I'm in there I'll do the shim trick. I have a friend who installed a small "shoe" from some aftermarket source in his throttle housing that changes the full open from 3/4+ of a turn of the grip for wide open to a little over half a turn. He loves it. I am always surprised a little when I manage to go WOT passing a car or two, it always takes a dedicated effort to get the throttle twisted all the way open. You can go around weeks using most of the power but when you go for it, it is always sweet.

Beech if you find out where he got the "shoe for the throttle housing" post it here. I did the same thing he did with a home made spacer made from PVC pipe on the Suzuki GS 1150E I own. Cut a thin piece of pipe off with a slot cut out and fitted over the cam assembly so it was locked in place thus increasing the diameter of the throttle cam. Works fine but increases throttle pull effort.
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Many thanks John . I've had the tank off before, so no worries there. 0.03 inches = 0.762 mm . that's not much of a shim, but I probably have some that size. Thanks for the detailed write up :-)
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Many thanks John . I've had the tank off before, so no worries there. 0.03 inches = 0.762 mm . that's not much of a shim, but I probably have some that size. Thanks for the detailed write up :-)

I used two small washers per metric screw to get the .030"
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Out of curiosity, where did you come up with the 0.030" figure? Activated the solenoid and measured until it stopped contacting the linkage? 0.030" (less than 1/32") is pretty small!?
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Out of curiosity, where did you come up with the 0.030" figure? Activated the solenoid and measured until it stopped contacting the linkage? 0.30" (less than 1/32') is pretty small!?

From another member here who advised .020". I didn't have washers that fit that were larger than .015" so I used two .015" washers per each fastener. The plunger contacts the linkage when it is not energized, when energized it retracts. The .030 shimming spaces the solenoid plunger off the throttle linkage when not energized.
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Oh-I was thinking the reverse-that it extended when energized in gears 1-3. If it's supposed to work at 0.020" then 0.030" is "better" I guess. Thanks for the info and I'm still interested in the AF-XIED when you have time.
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Oh-I was thinking the reverse-that it extended when energized in gears 1-3. If it's supposed to work at 0.020" then 0.030" is "better" I guess. Thanks for the info and I'm still interested in the AF-XIED when you have time.

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Beech if you find out where he got the "shoe for the throttle housing" post it here. I did the same thing he did with a home made spacer made from PVC pipe on the Suzuki GS 1150E I own. Cut a thin piece of pipe off with a slot cut out and fitted over the cam assembly so it was locked in place thus increasing the diameter of the throttle cam. Works fine but increases throttle pull effort.


https://schwabenmax.de/index.php?cat...oduct=KHG+B4-0

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Out of curiosity, where did you come up with the 0.030" figure? Activated the solenoid and measured until it stopped contacting the linkage? 0.030" (less than 1/32") is pretty small!?

I made spacers by cutting a piece of brass to 10mm length. That eliminates the action of the full throttle stop completely.
I left the solenoid connected to avoid a fault code.



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I made spacers by cutting a piece of brass to 10mm length. That eliminates the action of the full throttle stop completely.
I left the solenoid connected to avoid a fault code.




Probably a better solution (10mm = .39") than my .030" stack of washers. I did this before deciding to buy the Bren ECU tune which eliminates this restriction.
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