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$25,299.00 CAD

https://www.kawasaki.ca/product/ninja-h2-sx-se

Lack of shaft drive is a deal killer for me. I'm still holding out for a true K1300S replacement. Maybe this will spur BMW on.
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Not with those front suspenders.

Our slant-4 Ks are likely the last of a long era of mechanical engineering genius for BMW. The S1000 heralded in the digital, techno whizzbang era.

A motorcycle's soul is not measured in touch-screens, peak horsepower, and TC to manage it.
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When I am too old to throw the leg across without medical assistance, it will look great in the garage hanging from the rafters.

It already sells under value as a bike sporting that extra something. The K1300S was my desktop screen photo on my computers for nearly 3 years... then I got one. Never been dissatisfied or been left wanting more. When you roll up on someone who knows... it just doesn't get any better.

The K1200S owners don't complain about riding a non-production motorcycle, they're still ripping the pavement up. Only the K1300S folks seem to sound like life is over. Great if you got one, if you don't then go for it. There will never be a replacement.

The more I learn about BMW motorcycles, so many beautiful and great bikes have stopped production; yet their owners keep the oldest machines sparkling and running top notch. Unless it has an XS, XR, RR or XYZ after it... it will not be considered a replacement for the K13 by BMW. The Factory has no sympathy for a bike unless it is in their future. Sinking into the tar pits are the dinosaurs!

These threads will die faster than a speeding bullet or a Jurassic Monster hidden in only a few lucky garages. Long live the Mighty K1300S!!
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Not with those front suspenders.

Our slant-4 Ks are likely the last of a long era of mechanical engineering genius for BMW. The S1000 heralded in the digital, techno whizzbang era.

A motorcycle's soul is not measured in touch-screens, peak horsepower, and TC to manage it.
This sounds a lot like the discussions of the newly released K1200S from K1200RS owners at the time.
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Some more information. Not saying it will replace my K13s, but at least there is a manufacturer that recognizes that there is a market for a sport cruiser.
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This sounds a lot like the discussions of the newly released K1200S from K1200RS owners at the time.

Rubbish, poppycock, and balderdash.
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https://www.cycleworld.com/2018-duca...wo-trim-levels

But this is S1000 competition, not a rocket sled to go up against the mighty KS like the Kawa. How would this Ducati look with cases and rear clip with pillion seat?

The H2SX does seem worthy, hope it motivates BMW to recognize the market is still here waiting for a fresh rocket tourer.

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But this is S1000 competition, not a rocket sled to go up against the mighty KS like the Kawa. How would this Ducati look with cases and rear clip with pillion seat?

The H2SX does seem worthy, hope it motivates BMW to recognize the market is still here waiting for a fresh rocket tourer.


The more I see and read about the H2SX the more I'm convinced it's my next bike. I searched high and low all summer for a second bike but couldn't find anything that met my criteria of fast, comfortable light and with factory bags so I can take it on overnight trips. I'll wait until 2019 or 2020 and buy one when kawasaki is offering incentives to move bikes off showroom floors to make way for the next model year. Might try and find a used one with low miles, there's always some guy that buys a bike and then discovers he didn't really want a bike. I saw a 2013 S1000RR a couple months ago with only 10 miles on the clock.
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The more I see and read about the H2SX the more I'm convinced it's my next bike. I searched high and low all summer for a second bike but couldn't find anything that met my criteria of fast, comfortable light and with factory bags so I can take it on overnight trips. I'll wait until 2019 or 2020 and buy one when kawasaki is offering incentives to move bikes off showroom floors to make way for the next model year. Might try and find a used one with low miles, there's always some guy that buys a bike and then discovers he didn't really want a bike. I saw a 2013 S1000RR a couple months ago with only 10 miles on the clock.
I don't think replacement is the right word, couldn't replace my Blackbird with the K1300s, totally different machines. Common thread was the sport-tour package for both. Both excellent bikes. I think 200 supercharged HP on a 564lb H2SX sport-tour package bike redefines sport-touring. I like where it's going. Awesome bike!
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That new Ducati is an absolute animal. 99.9 percent of riders couldn't push that bike to 50 percent of the maximum that bike is capable of. Me being in the bottom half of that 99.9 percent. As if 214 hp isn't enough, go for the full Akro exhaust for 226 hp. Nuts......
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That new Ducati is an absolute animal. 99.9 percent of riders couldn't push that bike to 50 percent of the maximum that bike is capable of. Me being in the bottom half of that 99.9 percent. As if 214 hp isn't enough, go for the full Akro exhaust for 226 hp. Nuts......

I've always been a fan of but never owned a Duc. IMO that new V-4 is kinetic sex at stand-still, but with dynamic performance potentials mostly unrealized and of waste on the 'street'. Newcomb's Ranch will be replete with them next spring
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What I could go for is if Aprilia resurrected the Futura and put the Tuono 1100 V4 in it. Maybe punch it out to 1200. Give it shaft drive and I may pay them to take my K1300S. Especially if they give it a 6 gallon tank like the original.
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I may have my replacement - should a calamity befall my K13.

http://lightningmotorcycle.com/product/specifications/

I would change sooner if they work with Tesla for their supercharger network. Electrics are so much nicer to travel with except for the range anxiety.
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I may have my replacement - should a calamity befall my K13.

http://lightningmotorcycle.com/product/specifications/

I would change sooner if they work with Tesla for their supercharger network. Electrics are so much nicer to travel with except for the range anxiety.

I'm with you on this one. Doing away with oil, filters, plugs, bulky and heavy exhaust systems, valve tappet adjustments, and the time, trouble and cost required for the maintenance of each suit me just fine.
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Ah, there's the rub, 100 mile range.
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I just can't consider an electric as a true replacement of the KS... it's the sound - a big part of the ride on the K - especially at the upper end of the rev range. And, that "range" thing.

The HP2 looks the business, I'd have mine in black, if I weren't so smitten with the K13S
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Ah, there's the rub, 100 mile range.

Limited range and lengthy charge times are show stoppers for me for any electric vehicle. My average ride is normally 150-200 miles and if I need gas it only takes a few minutes to fill the tank.
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The world has changed, did you miss it?
Electrics are much faster, go just as far on a fill up and have less maintenance.

I am currently driving a Tesla P100D. My longest day trips are 250 miles well under the 300+ mile range. Overnight charging in my garage is the norm.
On a trip from California to Mt Rushmore (3K miles total) we did have to plan some but the Supercharger network is very well done. We coordinated food, site seeing and hotels with charging. Total time sitting in the car waiting to charge was 20 mins for the trip. Much less than gas station time for the same trip. There is a learning curve for electric vehicle charging, but charging really beats gas stations because you can multi task charging.

I will gladly trade the sound (I love it too) for the linear power. No gear changes in the corners, totally predictable power. The Lightning is definitely a candidate to replace the K13.
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They are running electric cycles at the Isle of Mann as a demonstration class, but some don't have the range to complete the laps. They seem to improve each year, but not full up yet. I believe I heard of an electric cycle at Pikes Peak as well. I am keeping an open mind.
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Electrics are much faster, go just as far on a fill up and have less maintenance.

I am currently driving a Tesla P100D. My longest day trips are 250 miles well under the 300+ mile range. Overnight charging in my garage is the norm.
On a trip from California to Mt Rushmore (3K miles total) we did have to plan some but the Supercharger network is very well done. We coordinated food, site seeing and hotels with charging. Total time sitting in the car waiting to charge was 20 mins for the trip. Much less than gas station time for the same trip. There is a learning curve for electric vehicle charging, but charging really beats gas stations because you can multi task charging.

I will gladly trade the sound (I love it too) for the linear power. No gear changes in the corners, totally predictable power. The Lightning is definitely a candidate to replace the K13.

Still more hassle than its worth in my opinion plus doesn't that model Tesla cost well north of 6 figures? I'll stick with gas or diesel engines that only take a few minutes to fill up at a gas station and I won't have to worry about multi tasking because I'm waiting for the battery to charge. My Toyota is pretty much maintenance free other than oil changes and I'm never more than a few miles from a gas station so no need to have a special search engine to find a charging station. When electric vehicles can drive 400+ miles on a charge and take less than 3 minutes to recharge the battery I'll be all in
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My 60k C7 gets me 800 miles to my folks ranch in comfortable speed in right at 11 hours. Please tell me more about the EV that can do that for 60k
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They are running electric cycles at the Isle of Mann as a demonstration class, but some don't have the range to complete the laps. They seem to improve each year, but not full up yet. I believe I heard of an electric cycle at Pikes Peak as well. I am keeping an open mind.

That was a few years back
http://lightningmotorcycle.com/light...cles-at-ppihc/

Wellcraft, electrics are a lifestyle change. One for the better, but they are a change. I used to hit gas stations twice a week for commutes. Now I plug in when I get home, takes me 10 seconds. Dollar wise I get 98 - 110 MPG equivalent. But I pay much less as I have solar panels. This is a net win in time and $$. I do have to plan trips over 300 mi. Once your mindset changes from wasting time and $$ at gas stations to plugging in while you are at the aquarium or lunch going back to gas seems really dumb. Yes, the Tesla costs the same as the equivalent AMG, but the AMG is a tad slower.

Karlb, impressive bladder control! I cannot do 800 mi straight although my truck can (20 - 22 MPG and dual 21 gal tanks). Initial price does not matter? Total cost of ownership is what counts. And your C7 is too slow for me.
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Sounds like you have found a solution for your lifestyle. For myself, I have many questions about whether it will work for the masses. What was the cost (without government kickbacks) of your solar system, and what is the payoff time to recoup your investment including the batteries? Alaska or similar latitudes in the winter are a loser. Apartment and rental condo dwellers are in a spot without special provisions. How often are you using free recharge stations provided by some municipalities as found in one location I have seen here in Tampa? What is the payoff time in fuel savings to recover the difference in price of a Tesla vs an equivalent gasoline powered sedan? What is the safety rating of the crash worthiness of the battery packs in a current electric car not including fender benders? How much fossil fuel, natural gas, or nuclear energy is used to charge electric vehicles if they achieve widespread popularity? When they are in widespread use, how would you envision all those vehicles stopping for a charge? What do you do during a power outage? Why not cover the dash board, rear deck, hood, roof, and trunk lid of the car with solar panels? That would demonstrate dedication to the cause. Just a few of my thoughts and concerns.

I like the idea of a light weight locally usable or track use electric motorcycle. I have reservations about other vehicles with the current technology. Technically, we ride enginecycles. Electric would be a motorcycle.

Your ideas are okay and have some merit, but my GMC Yukon Denali with its 420 hp 6.2 liter engine pulls my 16 foot trailer almost 400 miles between refueling or will go almost 500 miles lightly loaded with the stereo blaring, lights on, and both air conditioners running going 70+ mph, and I can afford the gasoline. If filling stations were available, I would consider a Natural Gas or Propane conversion. I don't see electric in my future. Around town, I use its size to intimidate electric cars. J/K.
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I just can't consider an electric as a true replacement of the KS... it's the sound - a big part of the ride on the K - especially at the upper end of the rev range. And, that "range" thing.

The HP2 looks the business, I'd have mine in black, if I weren't so smitten with the K13S

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Karlb, impressive bladder control! I cannot do 800 mi straight although my truck can (20 - 22 MPG and dual 21 gal tanks). Initial price does not matter? Total cost of ownership is what counts. And your C7 is too slow for me.
So in other words EVs are not yet there as a viable replacement for ICE vehicles unless one stays close to home or adds hours or even days worth of time into long trips. And just how fast does a veh need to go for you. Donít think a Tesla is faster than a C7 quicker yes faster donít think so. Tesla is limited to 155mph the C7 hits 159 in the standing mile and tops out around 190
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Wellcraft, electrics are a lifestyle change. One for the better, but they are a change. I used to hit gas stations twice a week for commutes. Now I plug in when I get home, takes me 10 seconds. Dollar wise I get 98 - 110 MPG equivalent. But I pay much less as I have solar panels. This is a net win in time and $$. I do have to plan trips over 300 mi. Once your mindset changes from wasting time and $$ at gas stations to plugging in while you are at the aquarium or lunch going back to gas seems really dumb. Yes, the Tesla costs the same as the equivalent AMG, but the AMG is a tad slower.

Karlb, impressive bladder control! I cannot do 800 mi straight although my truck can (20 - 22 MPG and dual 21 gal tanks). Initial price does not matter? Total cost of ownership is what counts. And your C7 is too slow for me.

It's a life style change for you that works for you but I don't see it as a viable option for me nor a life style change I'm willing to make. I rode almost 500 miles in one day from PA to New Hampshire, made a few stops for gas, took the scenic route and enjoyed the ride needless to say you can't make that ride in one day in a electric vehicle. I drove from PA to Ft Knox, KY in about 10 hours and 750 miles door to door, stopped a couple times for gas, don't think you can do that drive in one day in an electric vehicle. Like I stated earlier I'll look at buying electric when EV's can do the same distances as gas vehicles and the batteries can be recharged in the same amount of time it takes me to fill my tank with gas.
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. Like I stated earlier I'll look at buying electric when EV's can do the same distances as gas vehicles and the batteries can be recharged in the same amount of time it takes me to fill my tank with gas.

That ain't gonna happen any time soon!!
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C7 actual run times. You have to spend tons for turbo/supercharger/nitrous to get into the tens. Box stock I ran 10.6 and wheels/brakes/tires/practice dropped it to 10.4 - without hurting the 100K mile bumper to bumper guarantee. You are right though, they limit the Tesla to 155 so quicker, not faster.
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I can see a common thread here, people are so used to sitting or standing at a gas station they think charging is like that. Consider months of gas station time vs charging at home. For everyone? Probably not, not everyone has a home they can charge at. Charging is a time saver.
On trips? If you iron butt long miles, electric is slower. If you stop and eat, see the sites, and plan, charging is faster (as far as wasted time). "Same amount of time to fill my gas tank" is not how it works. But you do have to do "That Supercharger has a Denny's, Burger King and Sizzler, lets skip it and hit the one next to Red Robin."

My solar panels pay back in just over ten years. Car charging included.

My car was HUGE dollars - or cCHEAP depending if you compare a Prius or AMG S65. I looked at the AMG and I paid 50K less to go faster, much cheaper TCO and longer guarantee, 100K vs 50K miles. Ride and handling are close enough not to matter, and Tesla wins on the tech hands down.
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500 miles is an easy day drive for Nicki (my car). Our typical drive to LA is like that, start out early, brunch/charge at Anderson's Split Pea Soup. No time lost as she is ready before we are. 750 miles is not as good, two charges at 30 - 40 mins, I won't be hungry probably for the second charge. I travel 80 - 85 MPH.

I have yet to pay for charging. Free charging comes with the car, most hotels, many restaurants and solar at home.

I bought a car like I did my bike, for 90% use. Occasional use does not mean much to me for a purchase. Better to rent for those rare trips. YMMV
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ok and I can buy 2 C7s for the price of a Tesla 100kw S so let compare apples to apples.

a stock Z06 cost right at 90k still 10k cheaper and runs 1/4 solidly in the 10s with the known best run at 10.41 so the P100D is not really quicker than an equal model vette either.

Look EVs can make sense for those living in urban areas since they are subsidized by the tax payers for the owners to have lower costs, but until there are wide spread quick charging stations and no government subsidies to entice people to buy them they are not a viable replacement for ICE vehs.

Your "free" charging and purchase tax credits are paid for by all of us, when you bear the full burden of your purchasing decision instead of everyone paying for it for you, that cost of ownership will change drastically.


Wonder how many Teslas will sell then and at what cost.
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ok and I can buy 2 C7s for the price of a Tesla 100kw S so let compare apples to apples.

a stock Z06 cost right at 90k still 10k cheaper and runs 1/4 solidly in the 10s with the known best run at 10.41 so the P100D is not really quicker than an equal model vette either.

Look EVs can make sense for those living in urban areas since they are subsidized by the tax payers for the owners to have lower costs, but until there are wide spread quick charging stations and no government subsidies to entice people to buy them they are not a viable replacement for ICE vehs.

Your "free" charging and purchase tax credits are paid for by all of us, when you bear the full burden of your purchasing decision instead of everyone paying for it for you, that cost of ownership will change drastically.


Wonder how many Teslas will sell then and at what cost.

Great points especially in regards to government subsidies that make EV's affordable to own and operate at tax payer expense. In addition why should people have to make life style changes to accommodate a vehicle? To me it would be a nuisance having to plug in the vehicle every night or go out of my way to find a charging station. I dont want to have to stop for 40 minutes to charge the vehicle if im driving long distances. Nothing is free either.....someone somewhere is paying for it.
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Whether E or ICE powered; the energy producers and their good friends in government will find endless creative ways to tax and make your vehicle something you'll never 'own', but merely make payments and costly updates on.

For a decade solar power has been sold to homeowners with the rarely publicised fact that the homeowner pays the electricity provider monthly for merely being connected to the 'Grid'(commonly about $10/mo). And the moment the 'electric meter' outside your home is modified or changed with the new hardware the monthly connection to the Grid doubles or more and goes up again and again in future years.

We're being fucked, and will continue to be fucked no matter the energy source.
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Just a point of curiosity. What is the effective service life of a solar cell? I know it is not infinite.

In my world, any product that is not fully paid for by the purchaser is welfare. If a product is viable in a capital market society, it should not require incentives from the government to create demand. I offer the example of U.S. Public Radio. There is also a reason you see no turbine powered cars or any rotary engine cycles.

If one has the capital to buy and pay full tilt for any high end product, you are my hero. You serve as an example to us all. More power to you and your continued success. If you rely on subsidies and government incentives, - not so much.

Here in the U.S., I believe the abundance and development of clean burning natural gas will be the end of electric cars until battery technology catches up and cost comes down years from now. The enviro-wackos will buy less expensive and cheaper natural gas vehicles in droves. The availability of natural gas should drive the operating cost down to capture the rest of the market and heavier vehicles. I could be wrong in my vision. If not, that Tesla could become a collectable or a high end novelty market item as found in a certain catalog I receive in the mail.

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Depends on the state how good the deal is. Flat rate net metering is BS. A $10 fee to connect is minuscule. At best solar owner should only get back cost of electricity, not cost of transmission. And why should owners be paid cost electricity at retail instead of wholesale? This is if you own your solar that there's generally a (too) sweet deal for the owner.

The true and outrageous ripoff is when you don't own the panels, you don't own the electricity. Instead the racket of a company that did the install owns the panels and keeps the money only giving you a very thin cut of what they're making--much less than the market value of the square footage of your roof for photovoltaic generation.
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Depends on the state how good the deal is. Flat rate net metering is BS. A $10 fee to connect is minuscule. At best solar owner should only get back cost of electricity, not cost of transmission. And why should owners be paid cost electricity at retail instead of wholesale? This is if you own your solar that there's generally a (too) sweet deal for the owner.

The true and outrageous ripoff is when you don't own the panels, you don't own the electricity. Instead the racket of a company that did the install owns the panels and keeps the money only giving you a very thin cut of what they're making--much less than the market value of the square footage of your roof for photovoltaic generation.

What I also find misleading is that most solar installers give a 25 to 50-year warranty on the 'panels'. They make NO claim on the presumably VERY expensive, feature-laden, suitcase-sized electronic 'box' that goes where your old electric meter was. If the box goes wrong, is vandalized, or stolen it's YOURS to repair/replace. And since most of the extremely attractive buyer incentives/subsidies are financed by the State the loan attaches to your TRW like a college loan until paid off.

I looked seriously into solar around 2012 when I was hydroponically growing cannabis. I, fortunately, found a local who had installed solar on his home. He was proud as a new papa showing me the system. When I started asking the tougher more specific money questions his pride turned to embarrassment as he tried to justify the $25K+ investment that was never going to pay off as the salesman had originally promised.
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This thread is a crack-up, it went nowhere fast.

Replacement for the Mighty K1300S... there isnít one. If you got one keep it, forget trying to compare it to a Kawasaki or a super bad Ducati. They donít compare theirs to a K1300. Sorry, not knocking anyoneís comments, all the machines mentioned are great advances in technical achievement.

Electric? Most of us wonít be riding when the apalocyptic end to dinosaur fuel comes about. Oh! Wait for it, there will be coal to power your charging stations. Who is going to shovel it from the coal pits in Pennsylvania? Those diesel powered monster D1000 Caterpillar dozers wonít be running. 🤕 Maybe they can power-up on steam and we can shovel coal into the boiler. Wow, there you go, shovel ready jobs! 🙀 What about diesel powered trains that carry the coal, steam again.

When the fossil ⛽️ is in short supply, what will a quart of oil or a glob of grease cost? OUCH!!

Itís always cool to buy a new machine, but compare anything to the one you have, forget it. Glory in the old and enjoy the new.

Running off the rails as most threads do tossing in my worthless nickel on the subject. 😺 My point is this, you start messing with a replacement for the K1300S and the next thing you know you will riding a horse 🐎 or driving an Amish buggy.
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Just like the other thread of the same subject.

BTW, you can make gasoline and oil from coal. It was done during WW2 by the Germans.
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Just like the other thread of the same subject.

BTW, you can make gasoline and oil from coal. It was done during WW2 by the Germans.


...and there are plenty of electric (not diesel-electric) trains, the first electric tractor units will be around soon, and there's already a monster electric quarry truck that allegedly produces more energy by re-gen going downhill than it does going up. https://arstechnica.co.uk/cars/2017/...ctric-vehicle/
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.......and there's already a monster electric quarry truck that allegedly produces more energy by re-gen going downhill than it does going up...
I assume you mean "consumes" where you used "does"? If so that is the kind of information from electric vehicle manufacturers that will keep EVs from becoming more accepted. No one can defy the laws of physics, and you just described a machine that produces more energy than it consumes. Nope, nada, zip, ain't happening.
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...and there are plenty of electric (not diesel-electric) trains, the first electric tractor units will be around soon, and there's already a monster electric quarry truck that allegedly produces more energy by re-gen going downhill than it does going up. https://arstechnica.co.uk/cars/2017/...ctric-vehicle/


Strange in that every electric train I have seen has a diesel generator, electrified tracks, or wires overhead - except for the Mag-Lev between the Shanghai airport and down town. It has huge wires to the magnets in the roadway on which it floats which are powered by generators. I believe the Tesla tractor trailer has a planned capacity of 80,000 pounds but a range of 200 miles.

I have a plan. We put the electric truck on down hill stretches with a lot of charging cords connected. Then Tesla drivers can hook up and follow the truck to the bottom of the hill thus recharging the batteries without stopping. Instead of aerial refueling, we will call it terrestrial gravitational refueling.

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"let compare apples to apples", LOL, OK, your Corvette has to make two trips to carry the same stuff, maybe three. Very slow car indeed.
Kidding aside, the cars are apples and oranges. Like the Dodge Hellcat, just not a comparison overall.

That quarry truck is a fluke, the quarry is ABOVE the road so it comes down full, goes up empty and the batteries have to be discharged into the grid. Not against the laws of physics in any way shape or form. The ICE truck it replaced cost a ton to run, the electric breaks even or makes money.

Effective life of solar panel? Really hard to say as there are no old installations with new panel technology (how could there be?). That being said my system is over 3 years old and if degradation is linear (worst case scenario) I will be down just over 1% per year. When it gets under 75% it makes financial sense to add a couple of panels. There are many fly-bynight companies doing solar. If you buy high quality parts and design, you can make money.

The thread is about the K1300S replacement and if I was not clear earlier, I will try again. The K1300S will live on as best in its class until an electric surpasses it. This is just a matter of time. The only debate is if that has happened, will happen shortly, or is a long way off.
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I replaced my K1300S with the S1000XR and you couldnít pay me to go back the XR handles better. Is lighter. Is more comfortable has just as good or better range. Has all the modern electronics (cruise. Up and down quick shifter, active ESA, ride modes and more hp to the ground.
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You are right on all counts Karl, but not all of us fit the XR. I have a friend with one and ridden it many miles. The XR is more agile, no noticeable acceleration difference and much better electronics. But the XR is also smaller and therein lies the rub, my knees hurt after a couple of hours. Then there is the chain....
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XR is actually bigger but weighs 57 lbs less, has less knee and hip bend than the K13S or in other words more room. Maybe you are thinking of the S1R? You might want to look at this site
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Chains these days aren’t a detriment. Pretty low maintenance and a couple hundred bucks every 20k miles and the ability to change gearing easily besides being more efficient
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I am torn between reluctantly choosing the S1000R with a change of handle bars or just buying a second K1300S. Found a low mileage 2015 HP I would like to own. Now to convince the other half of the household that I NEED a third cycle.
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Try a K1300S with Helibars. They help the knees as much as the arms and shoulders.
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I really tried to want the XR - but at my height and inseam, a no-go. On paper I thought it would work...

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The XR is def not for the inseam challenged. Fortunately at 36Ē inseam there arenít many bikes I canít flatfoot. BMW should really send out some low models as demos so people could see if those fit them better
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BMW MOTORRAD IS HEADED TO IMS NEW YORK.

The 2017-18 Progressive International Motorcycle Show season is in full swing. The next stop on our seven-city tour is New York City. Join BMW Motorrad on December 1-3 at the Javits Center and donít miss your chance to see the full line of BMW Motorrad Motorcycles including the exclusive HP4 RACE, all new G 310 GS, and a potential North American bike debut. Get your tickets online or at the door.

Could it be?
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Try a K1300S with Helibars. They help the knees as much as the arms and shoulders.

I have helibars on my K1300S. It looks like the R1200R bars will fit the S1000R and give a bit of rise and pull back, and look completely factory.
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Re: 1300s replacement?

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Well this just came via email from BMW Motorad USA...


BMW MOTORRAD IS HEADED TO IMS NEW YORK.

The 2017-18 Progressive International Motorcycle Show season is in full swing. The next stop on our seven-city tour is New York City. Join BMW Motorrad on December 1-3 at the Javits Center and donít miss your chance to see the full line of BMW Motorrad Motorcycles including the exclusive HP4 RACE, all new G 310 GS, and a potential North American bike debut. Get your tickets online or at the door.

Could it be?

We can live in hope John! I'm excited!
All those non believers will have to eat their words!!
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Just a point of curiosity. What is the effective service life of a solar cell? I know it is not infinite.

In my world, any product that is not fully paid for by the purchaser is welfare. If a product is viable in a capital market society, it should not require incentives from the government to create demand. I offer the example of U.S. Public Radio. There is also a reason you see no turbine powered cars or any rotary engine cycles.

If one has the capital to buy and pay full tilt for any high end product, you are my hero. You serve as an example to us all. More power to you and your continued success. If you rely on subsidies and government incentives, - not so much.

Here in the U.S., I believe the abundance and development of clean burning natural gas will be the end of electric cars until battery technology catches up and cost comes down years from now. The enviro-wackos will buy less expensive and cheaper natural gas vehicles in droves. The availability of natural gas should drive the operating cost down to capture the rest of the market and heavier vehicles. I could be wrong in my vision. If not, that Tesla could become a collectable or a high end novelty market item as found in a certain catalog I receive in the mail.

That's all. Thanks for reading. Now I have to figure out a way to get off this high horse.
Simple! A back flip off the beast, just make sure you're a few feet back - you wouldn't want your head up the horse's arse now would you?
Nice comments about the whole EV thing though. It will come, but until someone decides to do it better and cheaper than current charges (no puns intended ) I think we're stuck with highly volatile explosive fuels
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This thread is a crack-up, it went nowhere fast.

Replacement for the Mighty K1300S... there isnít one. If you got one keep it, forget trying to compare it to a Kawasaki or a super bad Ducati. They donít compare theirs to a K1300. Sorry, not knocking anyoneís comments, all the machines mentioned are great advances in technical achievement.

Electric? Most of us wonít be riding when the apalocyptic end to dinosaur fuel comes about. Oh! Wait for it, there will be coal to power your charging stations. Who is going to shovel it from the coal pits in Pennsylvania? Those diesel powered monster D1000 Caterpillar dozers wonít be running. 🤕 Maybe they can power-up on steam and we can shovel coal into the boiler. Wow, there you go, shovel ready jobs! 🙀 What about diesel powered trains that carry the coal, steam again.

When the fossil ⛽️ is in short supply, what will a quart of oil or a glob of grease cost? OUCH!!

Itís always cool to buy a new machine, but compare anything to the one you have, forget it. Glory in the old and enjoy the new.

Running off the rails as most threads do tossing in my worthless nickel on the subject. 😺 My point is this, you start messing with a replacement for the K1300S and the next thing you know you will riding a horse 🐎 or driving an Amish buggy.

Some of you may recall my initial introduction into this wild and whacky forum when I declared my profession? I am a geologist and my focus from becoming one until now has been in coal, with a brief foray into the slimy oily world. The comments made to most of my like-minded rock doctors is this: "We need to stop mining coal as it is "causing our greenhouse gases to increase!

Our almost united response: "Please close all the coal mines and then freeze to death in the dark - you stupid Bastards!" I just don't think that people are fully aware of what coal has done for the world and still does. Without it we would not have steel, plastics, iron, aluminium (correctly spelled), electricty, ships, cars, motorcycles, railway, skyscrapers and the list goes on

I see the benefit in reducing "greenhouse" gas emmisions I really do, but that's a whole different science and one that is being explored. There are a number of highly qualified and actually knowledgeable climate scientists who don't believe that coal burning is the major contributer to atmospheric CO2 emmisions, citing volcanoes, cow farts and many other weird and whacky factors - too long and drawn out for this forum Many of my colleagues believe in the cyclic nature of our planet, much like BMW reinventing the wheel by introducing phenomenal motorcycles (for example the K1300S and the S1000RR ) and then removing them as they're not selling that well (at least in the case of the K1300S and the gorgeous, untimely death by short-sighted men in the Sales Department of BMW, the R90S). I wonder how much you would pay to purchase one of the most incredible bikes to ever grace the roadways of any country? I wont have to, because mine will not be sold, ever - well not until my cold dead hands are pried from the bars! I'm still on the lookout for the R90S - one day! One day!

Let's bury this puppy and agree to disagree. We're all passionate bike riders and most of us love our beemers. Quite a few of us have owned and still do and ride other machines. To each his or her own. I happen to love my K1300S and think she's gorgeous
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I am torn between reluctantly choosing the S1000R with a change of handle bars or just buying a second K1300S. Found a low mileage 2015 HP I would like to own. Now to convince the other half of the household that I NEED a third cycle.
When and if you are successful, please let me know your approach. I need another motorcycle or two, but my better half is of Scottish heritage and they invented mean spiritedness and stubborness Only kidding the love of my life
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