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Old 07-18-2018, 03:36 AM
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How to tell which manufacturer of shocks?

Apperently the ESA shock's are made from 2 company's, either Showa or WP. How do i tell wich are in my 2009 K1300s without taking the bike apart to reveal the shock's ?

I am talking to a guy named Travis that rebuilds ESA suspension, but only the WP one can be, if i have showa it's over with and i need new.
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Re: How to tell wich manufacturer of shocks?

Maybe Travis can tell you what to look for, or send you a picture of the WP version?
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Well asked and he wanted me to take pics and send him, problem is that they are hardly visible, unless the bike is stripped.

Thought i might ask here if anybody knew first before trying to get pics of them.
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Re: How to tell wich manufacturer of shocks?

Reducing this to the lowest common issue, to rebuild them, you will have to remove them. To replace them, you will have to remove them. Just say'n?
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Of course.

But since i am not planning for any job on the now, it is still a good idea to look at what options i have when winter comes.
And taking it apart just to se if they are rebuildable or not....no.
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Re: How to tell wich manufacturer of shocks?

I think I can help with this....

If the bike has a manufacturing date before July 2010 it is a Showa shock, after that and it is WP.

Owner Klaus @ EPM Performance can rebuild either brand.... http://epmperf.com/

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Apperently the ESA shock's are made from 2 company's, either Showa or WP. How do i tell wich are in my 2009 K1300s without taking the bike apart to reveal the shock's ?

I am talking to a guy named Travis that rebuilds ESA suspension, but only the WP one can be, if i have showa it's over with and i need new.
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Of course.

But since i am not planning for any job on the now, it is still a good idea to look at what options i have when winter comes.
And taking it apart just to se if they are rebuildable or not....no.

Thanks. Never brought up, but now I know that you are just thinking this over, not ready to actually do anything. Maybe with enough small mirrors you can get the photo you need . Here in Florida, hell will have to freeze over before you would have to park it for the "winter" so projects are done when they are needed. The notable exception being Hurricanes.
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Re: How to tell which manufacturer of shocks?

In my opinion the ESA suspension mounted on k1300 are only WP. I "dismantle" my suspensions 5 times to find the right tuning. To me the original setup was too stiff on the back and too loose on the front. Checked with the Ista diagnosys was all right then it was only a problem of setup.
It's not an easy job but is possible; a little video about the rear shock refill https://youtu.be/ZTLZrKN08WE
At the same time also the Showa, of other models, are rebuildables bt is necessary to add a valve; it's a long story and i risk to be off topic .
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In my opinion the ESA suspension mounted on k1300 are only WP. I "dismantle" my suspensions 5 times to find the right tuning. To me the original setup was too stiff on the back and too loose on the front. Checked with the Ista diagnosys was all right then it was only a problem of setup.
It's not an easy job but is possible; a little video about the rear shock refill https://youtu.be/ZTLZrKN08WE
At the same time also the Showa, of other models, are rebuildables bt is necessary to add a valve; it's a long story and i risk to be off topic .
All done for passion.
Had a look in the Bmw repair cd, does one really need to remove the entire rear frame to get the shock out?

Prepatory work involved getting all the wiring and electronics unit out, then removing the entire rear frame, silncer, wheel, pretty much cut the bike in half before even starting taking the shock out....is all that really necessary ?
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Yes it is and the front is a little more complicated just because you need three different tools to suspend the front road.

About the rear one is very important to have a central stand or something that makes the same.
At the second time that you dismount the shock it became not easy but also not impossible.
The real trouble every time, for me, it was the two screws that fix the oil reservoir that are so difficult to keep the right thread (the screw is in steel but the thread on the frame is in aluminium and it's easy to get in trouble).
I wrote something about the esa shocks experience here: https://eurokclub.bike/index.php?top...30336#msg30336 (i hope that is possible to indicate other forum's links otherwise i'll remove it)
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Had a look in the Bmw repair cd, does one really need to remove the entire rear frame to get the shock out?

Prepatory work involved getting all the wiring and electronics unit out, then removing the entire rear frame, silncer, wheel, pretty much cut the bike in half before even starting taking the shock out....is all that really necessary ?


No, it's not necessary. The mechanic who replaced my OEM with Wilbers did not take the rear subframe off. I have pictures somewhere and will post if I can find them.


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You have it folded up, the repair cd said to remove the rear wiring harness completely, then the electronics and then the entire rear frame. Like remove and put it in the corner over there while doing this job.
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You have it folded up, the repair cd said to remove the rear wiring harness completely, then the electronics and then the entire rear frame. Like remove and put it in the corner over there while doing this job.
Correct. The tech loosened the subframe and tied it up. Then he unbolted the oil reservoir and moved it out of the way. That gave him access to the rear shock. The front was a different story. But he did not follow the shop DVD step for step either.
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Re: How to tell which manufacturer of shocks?

Interesting thread have to say I thought all the shocks made for the K series were made by WP I never knew that any of them had Showa,my 2007 k1200r Sport had WP fitted its the first thing I checked when taking them off to fit Wilbers.

As for taking the rear ESA out!! What was the other forum called run by the lunatic there were some great photos on there about such before it all went phut but boy you better have some idea about how too twirl a spanner because even the non ESA can be a challenge not so much the rear but the front never mind the ESA itís one of those jobs thatís easy so long as your paying someone else to do it
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Problem with having someone else do it is that they charge money to make a living on it.



I dont have time to let anybody else do it, i work to live, i dont live to work.
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exactly why i do it myself, to pay a mechanic for 1 hour i have to work 4.....

The math is easy, i dont have time to pay others.
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Yes, of cousre, but in going to the dealers i will have to feed a whole bunch of people, incl shareholders....whom take the majority of the money.
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I think I can help with this....

If the bike has a manufacturing date before July 2010 it is a Showa shock, after that and it is WP.

Owner Klaus @ EPM Performance can rebuild either brand.... http://epmperf.com/

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Well, apparently not all of them. My bike was manufatured March 2010 and has a WP shock.
By the way, I've been told BMW used WP ESA shocks untill 2013 when they sold Husqvarna to KTM that owns WP. After that BMW switched to Sachs ESA shocks.

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What is the visible difference between a WP and Showa shock?
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Not to be funny, but the sticker with the manufacturers name on it, to begin with. Hard to see though because on the WP's at least, the sticker is mounted on the inside of the nitrogen reservoir. So the oil tank blocks it from view.
Also the end cap of the shock body is different but again hard to see when the shock is in place.
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Connect to Realoem and digit your VIN. Then find the code of eache shocks and with these search in Google-images. Post them and we could see their brand (despite i think that they're 100% WP).
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Not to be funny, but the sticker with the manufacturers name on it, to begin with. Hard to see though because on the WP's at least, the sticker is mounted on the inside of the nitrogen reservoir. So the oil tank blocks it from view.
Also the end cap of the shock body is different but again hard to see when the shock is in place.
Perhaps there are more differences.
Why did'nt i think of that....oh wait, that's right, maybe because non of the stickers/text is visible without stripping the parts off the bike....hence the question if anybody knew of anything else that differs between manufacturers....
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Take small mirror and position it behind the nitrogen reservoir and use a small torch to get some light on the inside of it, then you can see the sticker. Even in mirror view the WP logo is easy to recognise.
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Iím intrigued do Showa actually make an electric operated shock ?
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WP on my bike, was a bit of dust but i was able to see the logo with a mirror. (well not a mirror but a piece of a broken CD)
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If you take the shock from the bike, take some pictures of the routing of the wiring first.
Some leave the sub frame on the bike but taking it off makes access to the top of the shock that much easier.
It is a fairly basic job if your bike has a center stand.
I found disconnecting and reconnecting the ESA wiring the only annoying part. They are hidden behind other parts. I had to bent a small screwdriver to get to the locking tabs of these connectors.
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Contacted a couple fo companys and eventually found one in Europe that rebuilds these Esa shocks for the K13.
Think the price was good , 552usd + shipping, for both.
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Thatís a fair price indeed.
Can you give us the name of the company?
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Thatís JJ Suspension in Holland. These guys once were WP employees. Should be okay.
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