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ZFE - help!

I am pretty sure I know the answer to this already but I want to put it out there to get some response, I hope.

My ZFE has begun to act up. At this point it is relegated to the windshield, I can not raise or lower it. I had the bike at the dealer and they determined it was the ZFE not the switch bundle or the actuator. Bike is a 2007GT.
So my question is has anyone successfully put in a ZFE in their garage or is this strictly a dealer thing. I have seen used ones around for considerably less then the dealer price, I was trying to save some coin (dealer wants $1100 to put in new ZFE).

Any information is appreciated.
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Re: ZFE - help!

I assume you are talking about the "central vehicle electronics box". My understanding is it is an easily replaced module that costs a lot of $$$. Even if you replace it yourself (assuming you could access the instructions) the cost of the module is very high.**********MdMn*****
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A bit of research indicates that the ZFE's on a bike are coded to the other electronics. If you don't get the codes on a used ZFE odds are it won't work. Something to be aware of. A used ZFE generally doesn't sound like a good idea regardless.***********Just sayin'**MdMN**
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Re: ZFE - help!

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A bit of research indicates that the ZFE's on a bike are coded to the other electronics. If you don't get the codes on a used ZFE odds are it won't work. Something to be aware of. A used ZFE generally doesn't sound like a good idea regardless.***********Just sayin'**MdMN**

Several years ago the ZFE fried the rear turn signals on my '05 K12S. Dealer's service tech had stripped one off of a wrecked S, and installed on my bike for $100, and it worked without incident for another 75,000 miles... Worked out fine for me
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What a great story! Now that's one of the best "dealer tales" I've ever heard. Your dealer installed a working ZFE for what my dealer would charge just for the install, not to mention the cost of the used part. Bravo!!**************************************MdMn***
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Re: ZFE - help!

I am wondering if I can only use a ZFE from the same year and model, otherwise I would figure that the codes are different.

That was good service from your dealer!
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Re: ZFE - help!

Here you go. E79 plus another 25 euro for shipping probably and you into it about $120. Why not give it a try. Just swap them out.

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Re: ZFE - help!

Thanks, I have been following a couple here on the US side too. I might just take a dive and snag one and see if it works!
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Re: ZFE - help!

I am no expert, so PLEASE take this post as merely something to think about... PLEASE.

I don't have much experience with the ZFEs, but I saw one partially removed once - it was left hanging by the wires during a Nautilus horn installation. It looked as if the physical remove/replace process would be easy.

The reason I am posting is to comment about ZFE compatibility. When I tried to replace my 2007
K1200GT ESA rear shock with one from a 2008 K1200GT, I was told that there were different shocks - the older one had a potentiometer and the newer one had Hall Effect (sensor?). In order to use the 2008 shock, the dealer told me that I would have to replace my ZFE with a newer version, which could work with either the older 2007 shock or the newer 2008 shock. The dealer wanted $850 for a new ZFE that would work with that 2008 shock.

In other words, if you replace your ZFE with a used one from an older model, it may not work with the newer components on your bike. You may want to infer the converse: that a newer ZFE knows about older components and would probably work with them. If it were me, I would keep that in mind if I were shopping for a used ZFE.

AGAIN - THIS IS QUESTIONABLE ADVICE, but it seems logical based on what I recently learned.
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Re: ZFE - help!

Yea, I seem to be finding that out. Unless it is one that matches the given product code numbers for my bike I have a feeling it won't operate properly. There are two product codes listed for my bike, one is more expensive then the other(through the dealer). I am thinking I would have to get to mine on the bike so I can read the part code number and at the very least find one that matches that number. This all seems to be a very gray area to me, kind of seems like a shot in the dark a little. I would like to save the money but I also don't want to create more headaches.
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Yea, I seem to be finding that out. Unless it is one that matches the given product code numbers for my bike I have a feeling it won't operate properly. There are two product codes listed for my bike, one is more expensive then the other(through the dealer). I am thinking I would have to get to mine on the bike so I can read the part code number and at the very least find one that matches that number. This all seems to be a very gray area to me, kind of seems like a shot in the dark a little. I would like to save the money but I also don't want to create more headaches.
True. The takeaway from my message is that a ZFE from a later production KGT may work with your bike. If you are optimistic, you might replace "may" with "will probably" based on what the dealer told me. Just food for thought.
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Re: ZFE - help!

A lot of things to consider.
I also really don't want to wait too long to replace/fix this issue as I now view the ZFE that is in the bike as a ticking time bomb. I don't want to be at it's mercy as to when the next symptom will show up.

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Re: ZFE - help!

Unfortunately, my input after extensive online searching is that the ZFE is coded to your specific bike, not just model and year.

The ZFE has a sticker that shows model, part number, hardware level, and software level.

That means that the installation of a new or used replacement ZFE requires the use of the dealers computer to re-code so that all devices match. Your dealer should be able to confirm that. Even if they ordered a brand new ZFE they would have to code the new unit to your specific bike.

I have read that the ZFE and other electronics have limits on the number of times they can be re-coded. In fact some folks say the limit is ONE time, in which case you would have to buy a new unit or buy used all the electronics from the key to the computers, more $$$

Here is what you CAN TRY. You can get a used ZFE cheap. It is incredibly easy to remove the old one and install the new one, a few screws and two huge connectors and there you go. The hard part is finding a dealer who will recode your used ZFE to your bike, as I am sure that the Motherland would disapprove.

Assuming you can find a dealer to do it, an hour or two for labor while they screw around with the software should do it, so maybe $150-$200.

As you can imagine most dealers will tell you to sod off.
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Re: ZFE - help!

Yea, kind of what I am finding also. Bike specific and options specific. I think I might mull over my options during the long winter and keep my eye on the used ones I can find. See if one comes close to the code on mine.

It is amazing how not having the windshield go up and down messes with the experience. It also is messing with my head - waiting for some other malfunction to occur.

I also agree with you, I pretty much know that my dealer would not touch a used one installed by me. I can understand, I am sure it would be a liability thing.

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