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Old 10-17-2017, 10:29 PM
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In the beginning of the month I called Ted Porter and ordered a set of Wilbers (540 front and 642 rear I believe). Because of shear laziness, I had the local dealer put them in for me. Grand total of $2300, 1800 for suspension and 500 for install and tune. Huge thanks to San Jose BMW!
I'm kind of mad at myself....... I should have done this a long time ago. I wish I knew how to take pictures. Basically, the front shock was shit, no oil left inside. The rear, well let's just say it could barely hold up my light 300lbs self @30k miles. Now the bike feels ready, like a hyper active boy that just had coffee and is waiting for mother to say go play. Less sag in the rear gives the feel a sports bike(my handlebars are bent from trailering to the track). So far all I have done is a short stretch of Twisties out here on the east side. I must say, the bike is ready to turn. I bought this bike with 13k miles and stock suspension (other farkles include akro, 2D cluster, carbon fiber bits, Navi, bags, and HP rear sets) last May. Now at 31k miles, I have added Beech's 25mm suspension plates, 200 series tire(thinking of going back to 190 after this) and now Wilber's, the bikes character is completely changed. Before, I had to muscle it into a turn, now I just think turn and I'm to late...... Lol... Fucking.... bike..... turns.....fast! I think I'm ready for the "B" group at the track. Im so excited. Can't wait for the weekend.
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Congrats on the Suspension Upgrade!

I had a pair of Wilbers from Ted Porter on my previous R1100S...made the bike way better in all respects!

Did you get the ESA compatible Wilbers? I'd seen somewhere that the ESA functionality is fully retained with the Wilbers ESA Units.

I'm going to wear out the OEM Boingers first then upgrade to Wilbers...maybe in 2019.
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Re: Well..... It happened

After 20k, the OEM are trash! Ohlins or Wilburs are the way to go! Bike will be on rails now
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You've done the same mods I had done, and coming in at a svelte 280lbs myself, I know EXACTLY how you feel. Congrats big boy!

Now, try a set of Pirelli Diablo Rosso Corsa's and let the fun begin.
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Conti sport attack 3's for me jargon. I can't afford super Corsa just yet, gotta pay off them credit cards.
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Conti sport attack 3's for me jargon. I can't afford super Corsa just yet, gotta pay off them credit cards.
You misread, it's Diablo Rosso Corsa, and I've always paid around $320 a pair, once got them for $220

Anyhow, enjoy the 'new' bike!
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Esa not available for K

With Hyper-Pro you can keep the ESA function and get the shocks built to your specs, they use the OEM electronics/ servos.
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Re: Well..... It happened

I sent Ted a set of used ESA K bike shocks a couple of years ago to see if they wanted to get in the business. I think they could not get Wilbers to supply parts. Never heard from them after the first phone call. I suspect they are busy enough as is. K bike market is small. They do work on ESA for GS bikes though.
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With Hyper-Pro you can keep the ESA function and get the shocks built to your specs, they use the OEM electronics/ servos.

It's true. I'm riding the Hyper-Pro set up (front and rear) with ESA done by EPM out of NJ. Nice work and the bike is tight! Ted told me that Wilber's would not support the ESA conversion.
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hmmmm. i just spoke with Morton's BMW who said they sell and install Wilbers suspension systems WITH ESA......
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hmmmm. i just spoke with Morton's BMW who said they sell and install Wilbers suspension systems WITH ESA......

Yep, that could be. Ted was saying no..and Ted being Ted, I took it at face value and went with the Hyper-Pro package.

If Morton's can do it, and have your ESA fully operable, please let us know..
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I think Wilburs does everything BUT K-S bikes.
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Now, try a set of Pirelli Diablo Rosso Corsa's and let the fun begin.
I really like the Diablo Rosso IIs I put on my r1100s.
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I think Wilburs does everything BUT K-S bikes.

I think the can supply shocks for the a KS but not integrated with the ESA..will be curious to find out if we are incorrect?
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Well whodathunkit? Seems EPM Wilbers in Tennent, NJ can do the ESA conversion for our K1300S Models.

I found this statement on their website (http://www.wilbersusa.com/) - scroll down ~3/4 of the page:

"EPM Wilbers is the only suspension shop in the entire US that can supply you with new shocks and ESA component transfer for the BMW K 1200/1300 S/R/GT models, and they can certainly service all OEM ESA shocks, install new springs for a completely new feel and handling, and, in some cases, shorten them to lower the ride height, a very cost effective alternative to new factory OEM shocks."
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Well whodathunkit? Seems EPM Wilbers in Tennent, NJ can do the ESA conversion for our K1300S Models.

I found this statement on their website (http://www.wilbersusa.com/) - scroll down ~3/4 of the page:

"EPM Wilbers is the only suspension shop in the entire US that can supply you with new shocks and ESA component transfer for the BMW K 1200/1300 S/R/GT models, and they can certainly service all OEM ESA shocks, install new springs for a completely new feel and handling, and, in some cases, shorten them to lower the ride height, a very cost effective alternative to new factory OEM shocks."

If you call Klaus at EPM you will likely find him telling you that you have to use Hyper-Pro and that the Wilber's components are not adaptable to the K13S ESA. Same thing Ted Porter said. I did mine with EPM a year ago. This is my second Hyper-Pro set up and am very happy with it. Very good product but was looking forward to trying the Wilber's on the KS. If someone gets the Wilber's to work with the ESA,without contacting NASA for the install, please post. Clearly it cant be impossible.
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ESA is over rated. On the K bikes I owned it was basically worthless and if it would have been easier to buy without I would have done so. Wilbers all day.
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ESA is over rated. On the K bikes I owned it was basically worthless and if it would have been easier to buy without I would have done so. Wilbers all day.

Ha, you said it brother! Next time I will have the ESA disabled and head to the Wilber's for a change. There will still be adjustability, its just that it will be manual. Which will mean that I will never change it..Still, happy enough with my set up for now.
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Ha, you said it brother! Next time I will have the ESA disabled and head to the Wilber's for a change. There will still be adjustability, its just that it will be manual. Which will mean that I will never change it..Still, happy enough with my set up for now.

On my first K bike, with ESA being a novelty and all, I thought it was awesome. But over time I found that I usually just set it and never touched it. On The K12S and K13S, I think I changed the ESA settings maybe 5 times over 8 years. With the R12GSA I change the ESA a bit more frequently because of riding rougher surfaces.

Still, for a K bike a set of Wilbers (or Ohlins) are far far superior to the ESA.
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Still, for a K bike a set of Wilbers (or Ohlins) are far far superior to the ESA.

100% agree...the OEM Units are pitiful. I'll be glad when I ditch them for a set of Wilbers.

My K1300S had all of 1,148 miles on it when I bought it so the OEM ESA Units were almost like new.

My previous '99 R1100S had Wilbers front/rear and I noticed a definite downgrade in ride quality when I rode the my K1300S ~240 miles back home from the Dealer. Tried all the settings that day and for several days after but no joy like the Wilbers!

I also agree that I don't change the ESA settings very often now.
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hmmmm. i just spoke with Morton's BMW who said they sell and install Wilbers suspension systems WITH ESA......

and spoke with them again to lock in details....ooops...no ESA for K13 wilbers...argh.

so which wilbers are folks getting? the 640 rebound only or the 642 compression adjustable version? hydraulic preload adjuster?
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and spoke with them again to lock in details....ooops...no ESA for K13 wilbers...argh.

so which wilbers are folks getting? the 640 rebound only or the 642 compression adjustable version? hydraulic preload adjuster?

I bought mine from Ted Porter and just asked for the best he had...cost about $1,600 for the pair.
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I bought mine from Ted Porter and just asked for the best he had...cost about $1,600 for the pair.

that would probably be the 630 front and the 642 rear...did you get the hydraulically adjustable pre-load?
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that would probably be the 630 front and the 642 rear...did you get the hydraulically adjustable pre-load?
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and spoke with them again to lock in details....ooops...no ESA for K13 wilbers...argh.

so which wilbers are folks getting? the 640 rebound only or the 642 compression adjustable version? hydraulic preload adjuster?

Yep, as I said that was my experience as well. I was hoping you were right and that I missed something and that Mortons could do the work.

With the Hyper-Pro kit installed there is certainly a difference between Sport and Comfort settings on the bike..Still I would be happy with a set of straight up Wilbers the next time around.
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Hmmm.. I'll have to disagree on this subject, JJ.. I LOVE my ESA and use it constantly.. Works as advertised. I just hit 40K on my K1200S and rather than going to Wilbers or Ohlins.. I think I'll have HyperPro rebuild them with a spring that matches my weight... I simply do not want to give it up..


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On my first K bike, with ESA being a novelty and all, I thought it was awesome. But over time I found that I usually just set it and never touched it. On The K12S and K13S, I think I changed the ESA settings maybe 5 times over 8 years. With the R12GSA I change the ESA a bit more frequently because of riding rougher surfaces.

Still, for a K bike a set of Wilbers (or Ohlins) are far far superior to the ESA.
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Hmmm.. I'll have to disagree on this subject, JJ.. I LOVE my ESA and use it constantly.. Works as advertised. I just hit 40K on my K1200S and rather than going to Wilbers or Ohlins.. I think I'll have HyperPro rebuild them with a spring that matches my weight... I simply do not want to give it up..

My sentiments too. And love the Hyper-Pros I have installed.
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Hmmm.. I'll have to disagree on this subject, JJ.. I LOVE my ESA and use it constantly.. Works as advertised. I just hit 40K on my K1200S and rather than going to Wilbers or Ohlins.. I think I'll have HyperPro rebuild them with a spring that matches my weight... I simply do not want to give it up..

I guess disagreement is good in instances like this. It just goes to show that not all things are equal to all people. And part of that would be our size differences. Maybe if I weighed in at a decent weight it would make a bigger difference for me, but at 300+ lbs, it just didn't tickle my jibblies.
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I went for a ride yesterday after a real set up, had me jiggling the whole ride. I was looking for imperfections in the road to insure I had an all around street set up. OMG, these things are awesome. Front steering feels so light accelerating out of the turn that the bike just flicks back over as I rip through the Santa Cruz mountains........at the speed limit! Rode to work today and took the long way home. I normally travel this road at about 15mph over the limit, today I was 25mph over and smiling in my helmet so big I got lint stuck in my cheeks. Add the sound of the Akra grunting effortlessly in 2nd at 65mph...............aaahhhhhhh......... uuuhhhhh!!
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I went for a ride yesterday after a real set up, had me jiggling the whole ride. I was looking for imperfections in the road to insure I had an all around street set up. OMG, these things are awesome. Front steering feels so light accelerating out of the turn that the bike just flicks back over as I rip through the Santa Cruz mountains........at the speed limit! Rode to work today and took the long way home. I normally travel this road at about 15mph over the limit, today I was 25mph over and smiling in my helmet so big I got lint stuck in my cheeks. Add the sound of the Akra grunting effortlessly in 2nd at 65mph...............aaahhhhhhh......... uuuhhhhh!!


NICE! what tires are you on?
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For those of you that did go with the aftermarket suspension, did you feel a difference in the rake? Initially after the install the back end felt higher. Then I had SJBMW's suspension guy come take a look. Unfortunately, I was on vacation and wasn't there for the setup. When I got the bike back the seat was much lower and felt like a straight line rather than angled to the front. Talking with the tuner, he informed me that the K was based on an old race setup. Your thoughts......
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Not sure how one can set up suspension, without the owner there to check 'static sag'

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Then I had SJBMW's suspension guy come take a look. Unfortunately, I was on vacation and wasn't there for the setup.
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Not sure how one can set up suspension, without the owner there to check 'static sag'

My thoughts exactly. The rider should be with his bike during suspension setup. When I was having my KTM bike setup, the tuner wanted me to bring all the gear that I would normally ride with and to wear it during setup. Same with the BMW.
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For those of you that did go with the aftermarket suspension, did you feel a difference in the rake? Initially after the install the back end felt higher. Then I had SJBMW's suspension guy come take a look. Unfortunately, I was on vacation and wasn't there for the setup. When I got the bike back the seat was much lower and felt like a straight line rather than angled to the front. Talking with the tuner, he informed me that the K was based on an old race setup. Your thoughts......

If the suspension is setup 'properly', you should be able to maintain lean during mid turn, with very, very, if any pressure on the grips. That was what my racing tuner shop wanted me to be able to explain to him after the test ride.
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Nobody answered the question. Sag was already set by Ted Porter. Only thing changed was rear shock height.
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