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Is the system set to a minimum?
I bought a new set of tyres from a new to me supplier and he was adamant that pressures should not exceed 34 and 36 PSI. While i was scrubbing in this morning the rear kept flashing at 34 and on occasions it hit 35 and 36 and kept on flashing. I checked the pressures before leaving home and the TPM is out by 2.
I am going to continue with these pressures just to prove this guy either right or wrong.
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I'ma 36 38 type of bloke, 40 in the rear when triping, as I carry a bit of gear.
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Factory recommended pressures are 36 front and 42 rear. What would a tyre supplier know about the tested and proven engineer specified PSi?
I have always run the correct pressure and bike and tyres perform as they should.
There are lots of so called ‘I know what I’m talking about’ people, but they are not the designers of the bike. Stick to what the factory recommends Dave
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I run 36 34 and increase by 2psi for long distance. Bike manufacturers set pressures to cover a wide range of contingencies . 42 psi to my mind is too high. Go to the tyre manufacturers website and see what they recommend.
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Hey Dave. Where was the supplier - Goodna?
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i ran 36 front and 42 rear, and let it slowly go down to 32,38 ish before i bothered to put more air in, unless i was taking a day ride. Touring felt best with 42 in the rear, 36 in the front.
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Is the system set to a minimum?
I bought a new set of tyres from a new to me supplier and he was adamant that pressures should not exceed 34 and 36 PSI.

What tyres are these? Some cheapo Chinese knock off that might explode at the manufacturer's recommended pressures

I run my BT 30s at 36/42 and they work fine. I work on the basis that people far more qualified and experienced than me have recommended these pressures for a reason.

The one exception is a track day where the tyre works harder and temperatures and therefore pressures increase to compensate.

I know from experience that if the front is at 30 the steering is sluggish.
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This is going the same way as the ‘which is the best oil’ debate.
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On my cycle, using a Longacre digital pressure gauge, I have to use pressure about 1.7 psi over the book recommendation to get the TPM to read the correct indication. Rarely will the indication vary while riding because the TPM is supposedly temperature compensating. Apologies to all who already know all this. I make a few assumptions. BMW knows what makes the cycle handle best. Bmw would not recommend pressures out of the tire manufacturer's safe range. And, the pressures involved are for normal street riding with normal cycle loads. I believe in an earlier thread, most decided that the most value of the TPM was early warning of a equalizing tire.
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If you run the tires that low, I hope you have deep pockets for new rims, god forbid you ever hit a pot hole, with such low pressure your all but guaranteed to bend a rim.
42,40 for me all day long
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Yeah Mad Mick who is a third generation tyre retailer so one can be satisfied he knows what he is talking about as he rides a Bussa and practices what he preaches.

I went there with my mind made up on a set of M7RR but he looked at me weird and asked why would i want a tyre that comes out of the arse end of the Pirelli factory when you can have a WSBK proven tyre so he told me he would fit a Super Corsa to the front and a Rosso Corsa to the rear and informed me that he does not sell Metzeler. When i picked up the wheels i asked what pressure he put in and he said 34 and 36, i mentioned the factory settings he said these tyres should never be run above these pressures for the type of riding i am doing. I did 300k yesterday with some tight twisty stuff and they felt really good and natural.

So, my original question has not been answered, is the TPM set at a minimum?
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I am getting ready to go to the Carolina's to do some riding. I rode around the block to trigger the TPM and it indicated the tires were about two pounds low. In slow turns the cycle felt that it was wallowing and wanted to fall into the turn. Upped the pressure and all felt normal. I have Pirelli tires.
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Would have thought it would be easy enough to self check.
Run bike up, as think the wheels have to do a few revolutions before they start talking to the computer,
May need an observer, let air out of the tyre until the yellow triangle of death starts flashing.
That will be the 'low' activation pressure.

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Yeah Mad Mick who is a third generation tyre retailer so one can be satisfied he knows what he is talking about as he rides a Bussa and practices what he preaches.

I went there with my mind made up on a set of M7RR but he looked at me weird and asked why would i want a tyre that comes out of the arse end of the Pirelli factory when you can have a WSBK proven tyre so he told me he would fit a Super Corsa to the front and a Rosso Corsa to the rear and informed me that he does not sell Metzeler. When i picked up the wheels i asked what pressure he put in and he said 34 and 36, i mentioned the factory settings he said these tyres should never be run above these pressures for the type of riding i am doing. I did 300k yesterday with some tight twisty stuff and they felt really good and natural.

So, my original question has not been answered, is the TPM set at a minimum?

he Dave, when i did the California superbike school track day, they took our tyre pressures down to about 32 (someone can chime in with the exact figure) .
It was for a larger contact point, and not about more pressure building because of a track day environment.
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he Dave, when i did the California superbike school track day, they took our tyre pressures down to about 32 (someone can chime in with the exact figure) .
It was for a larger contact point, and not about more pressure building because of a track day environment.

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I thought you were selling the R. Changed your mind? Come to your senses?
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Nah, still selling but in no hurry. The Road Smarts had to go cause they were just to dangerous.
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I just found out from a reliable source who had the same scenario that the TPS parameters cannot be adjusted because they are tied in with the ABS and traction control.
He replaced his sensors with the Tyre Watch system.
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Yeah Mad Mick who is a third generation tyre retailer so one can be satisfied he knows what he is talking about as he rides a Bussa and practices what he preaches.

I went there with my mind made up on a set of M7RR but he looked at me weird and asked why would i want a tyre that comes out of the arse end of the Pirelli factory when you can have a WSBK proven tyre so he told me he would fit a Super Corsa to the front and a Rosso Corsa to the rear and informed me that he does not sell Metzeler. When i picked up the wheels i asked what pressure he put in and he said 34 and 36, i mentioned the factory settings he said these tyres should never be run above these pressures for the type of riding i am doing. I did 300k yesterday with some tight twisty stuff and they felt really good and natural.

So, my original question has not been answered, is the TPM set at a minimum?
Is this on your k1300R?
Gunna be great grip and handling........but the front will be toasted in 4k, maybe less if your going to take these tracks tyres to the track
Unfortunately even the GS911 cant alter the TPMS so the low pressure alarms are fixed
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Nah, still selling but in no hurry...
KiwiMat will probably take that beautiful R off your hands if you drop the price by about $10K
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He can buy his wreck back and i'll sell him all the parts he needs to make good

I have nothing to substantiate this but i have heard that bling parts for the K like wheels, carbon bits, Rizoma and Wunderlich are no longer being made and apart from what's available now there will be no more HP parts made. I know there is a guy here in Brisbane who is having difficulty finding a new front rim so treat em kind guys.
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Gunna be great grip and handling........but the front will be toasted in 4k, maybe less if your going to take these tracks tyres to the track.....

Hey Randall. I have over 6000km on the same tyre and pressure and I reckon I still have about 2k to go to reach the wear indicators.
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Gunna be great grip and handling........but the front will be toasted in 4k, maybe less if your going to take these tracks tyres to the track.....

Hey Randall. I have over 6000km on the same tyre and pressure and I reckon I still have about 2k to go to reach the wear indicators.
Now 8000k isn’t that good for a front tyre but with great grip thrown in I’m fairly happy.
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He can buy his wreck back and i'll sell him all the parts he needs to make good

I have nothing to substantiate this but i have heard that bling parts for the K like wheels, carbon bits, Rizoma and Wunderlich are no longer being made and apart from what's available now there will be no more HP parts made. I know there is a guy here in Brisbane who is having difficulty finding a new front rim so treat em kind guys.

i spoke to the assesser on monday, he said i can make an offer on the bike, but it will go to auction if they dont like my $$$$. we will see. still waiting for them to contact me about he bike.
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i spoke to the assesser on monday, he said i can make an offer on the bike, but it will go to auction if they dont like my $$$$. we will see. still waiting for them to contact me about he bike.
Why don’t you just lowball them, then if they don’t like the offer, go and attend the auction? I’d try and get it back, just sayin’...
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i will make a low offer, not that fussed if i dont get it. I have a knack of getting parts cheap.
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Why wouldn’t you be determined to get it?
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Why wouldn’t you be determined to get it?

it cannot be registered again in Aust or Nz.
There are so many K1300R and K1300S bikes with 30-50 thousand Km for sale here, you could easily pick one up for under $10k. They will only get cheaper.
Wheels (to sell) , akro headers, arrow pipe, Nav V cradle... thats about all i would want off it.
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Does it make sense that the bike manufacturer's recommendation must necessarily be for the max gross weight of the bike? Is the pressure required for max GVW the right pressure if you are more lightly loaded? This is a lot like an oil thread but I think the correct answers to how much you should inflate your tires is found in the answers to those two questions above.

It's my opinion that there is a range of acceptable pressures for any tires on any bike and that the optimum pressure depends on how you're loaded and how you are riding.
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Hey Randall. I have over 6000km on the same tyre and pressure and I reckon I still have about 2k to go to reach the wear indicators.

Yeah but the belts showing are not the wear indicators
I've done 6000 on the M7rr but the rear slides easily under power and the front is prone to tucking - so toasted
If you use Pirelli Rosso 3, well they will easily do 8000km or more, not sure I would get that out of Super Corsas
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Super Corsa’s on the front only
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Hey Pete, are the Pirelli's on your K or HP?
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Hey Pete, are the Pirelli's on your K or HP?

Both. Won’t fit anything else. Supercorsa front. Diablo Rosso 3 rear.
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Both. Won’t fit anything else. Supercorsa front. Diablo Rosso 3 rear.

Ok, it will be good to compare notes on the DR3 and the Rosso Corsa.

I see you are advising on next years rally so if you need any help i'll be glad to add whatever i can.
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