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Old 04-07-2018, 10:04 AM
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Angel GT - "A" Spec?

Hi folks, so I went to the Pirelli site only to find that when you put our bike (K13S) into the bike search that the apparent fit recommendation for the Angel GT comes back as an "A" spec tire (please see link below). Is our bike really that heavy at 560 LBS that we need an "A" spec tire?

https://www.pirelli.com/tyres/en-ww/...itment#/search

I'm on a standard set of PR4's with 5K miles on them so looking at trying the AGT's by the time we hit mid season. I rarely ride two up but I do load the hell out of the bike when touring. My questions to the group:

Is the "A" spec necessary for our bike and is it a harsher ride?
Are there any benefits to running an "A" spec on our bike?
How is real world "wet" performance of the AGT's?

Thanks in advance for your input.

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Old 04-07-2018, 10:26 AM
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Re: Angel GT - "A" Spec?

I used standard Angel GT's on my K1300s, I did lots of 2 up touring (spain) and was really pleased with them. Good grip and excellent mileage.
I guess that the 'fitment charts' suggest the 'A' option due to the K1300s being graded as a sports tourer?
Non A gt's are fine on this bike. I think the A tyre would give a harsher ride due to the stiffer sidewall.
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Re: Angel GT - "A" Spec?

I've got a set of the A-spec Angel GT's on my '02 RS, which is what I understand to be recommended as well - my bike is a good 50 pounds heavier than yours. I've got about 4000 miles on them and they are an excellent tire and I figure they'd be good for another 1000 miles or so - I got about 7000 miles on P4's. I don't know if you'd really notice any increased harshness between the standard tire and the A spec except maybe if you compared two identical bikes back to back over the same piece of road.

I do like the Angel GT's, they seem to work well in the dry and in the wet.

Sadly I picked up a puncture on the return from my recent trip to Death Valley, which I plugged, and its OK that way for local cruises, but will be putting on a new set before heading off on another trip in a few weeks.
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Re: Angel GT - "A" Spec?

I just took a set of these heavy wall GT's off a bike for someone. They are a stiff tire, and heavy. If you ride one up I don't see the need personally.
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Re: Angel GT - "A" Spec?

I'm just mounted my 3rd set of new Angel GTs (non A-Spec). I've never tried an A-Spec but my Riding Buddies with Kaw C-14s like them.

The things I like about the Angel GTs:

1. Stable as a Mountain Goat when leaned over hard.

2. Perform well over the tire life versus some that have a great "Honeymoon" then fade away.

3. Great in all temps. I've ridden in 39 Deg F Rain (Yellowstone NP) and 111 Deg F Dry Heat (Las Vegas NV)...never a whimper nor put a foot wrong.

Several on this Forum recommended the non A-Spec for a smoother ride. Since I ride almost always solo I followed their advice. My 16 day, ~4700 mile trip last year on Angel GTs went great!

I run 38 PSI front and 42 PSI rear. I'm getting ~6500 miles out of them. I also have Riser Plates.
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Re: Angel GT - "A" Spec?

I run a standard Angel GT in the front and an A-spec in the rear. When I was doing almost all commuting in SoCal, I got 10,000 miles out of the rear and the front was not far behind. I alway change my tires in pairs. Anyway from the mileage reports that Iíve gleened, the standard Angel GT lasts 1500-2000 less than the A-spec on the rear of a K1300 on average. I ride with full luggage, including a top box and can have between 30 and 80 lbs in them depending on what Iím doing. At least thatís how it was when I was living in SoCal and the bike was my only transportation. So I never turned the traction control off, no matter how tempting and fun it would have been to lay darkies everywhere. Now things have changed, but I still tend towards the all weather distance rider, so Iíll stick with the Angel GTs as Iíve never had them misbehave wet or dry on the street and they get fantastic mileage. But what tires you run depends on your priorities. For me Iíll take a $350 set of 7000-10000 mile tires over a set of $200 2500 mile sport rubber for the street any day. Especially when the Angel GTs can turn lap times equal to race rubber from 3 years previous on the track.
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Re: Angel GT - "A" Spec?

Standard Pirelli Angel GT Tyres, fully loaded up for 1up touring, perfect!
Excellent in the wet and dry, wear evenly right to the end.
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Re: Angel GT - "A" Spec?

A hardy thanks to all who have replied to this thread and offered insight. I will likely proceed with the non "A" spec version of the tire based on the feedback. I appreciate the experience you have all gained and shared around it's performance. A great forum!

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Re: Angel GT - "A" Spec?

You will love the angel GTs, I had them on my K1200RS. When they first came out they did not have the A spect for the front. So on my first set I only put the A-spec on the rear.
By the time I needed a second set 11,000 miles later they had the A-spec for the front. Yes the ride was a little harsher, did I need the A-spec probably not, but did what was recommended, the tires perform awesome in the wet. Now for my K1300 I just wanted to try the new Dunlop Roadsmart IIIs and so far are loving these as well, they handled the dragon flawlessly last September.
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Re: Angel GT - "A" Spec?

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A hardy thanks to all who have replied to this thread and offered insight. I will likely proceed with the non "A" spec version of the tire based on the feedback. I appreciate the experience you have all gained and shared around it's performance. A great forum!

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Well done....Ive tried the A spec and they are OK but make the K1300 very harsh on anything but a perfectly smooth road......youll still get plenty of miles from the standar Angels
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Re: Angel GT - "A" Spec?

Have run the non a spec on a k12gt a K13S and an S1XR no need for ASpec On these bikes imho
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Re: Angel GT - "A" Spec?

I am running the A spec on my K16GT but it's a bunch heavier than your bike. great tires by the way.
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Re: Angel GT - "A" Spec?

I just put a set of AGT's on the bike and will be using them during a track day at the end of the month as well. The 200 mile scrub in was fun for certain! These tires like to be pushed. Like all new rubber, they feel gooood. Though I'm guessing anything would feel good compared to my PR4's that had 9K miles on them.

First impressions:

1. They make the K13s a bit more flickable. The tires like to drop-in more so than the Michelins.
2. I was riding in "Comfort" mode on the PR4's and with the AGT's I now ride in the "Normal" mode just as comfortably.
3. I cant be certain but i think the AGT's must be a lighter tire than the PR4's, hence the tire seems well put down via less mass for the suspension to deal with. Meaning the feedback is better, with lots of confidnece right out to the edge (my version of the edge is still 3/8" chicken strips on the street).


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Re: Angel GT - "A" Spec?

I've had bridgestone T30 hard and had a couple of slides lasted 4250kms replaced with Metzeler Roadtec 01 great tyre and got the best millage yet 11000kms. Just fitted Pirelli Angel GT and I think there just normal as I couldn't see an A anywhere on the tyres. Tyre guy reckons I'll get 18000kms out of them we'll see.
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I've had bridgestone T30 hard and had a couple of slides lasted 4250kms replaced with Metzeler Roadtec 01 great tyre and got the best millage yet 11000kms. Just fitted Pirelli Angel GT and I think there just normal as I couldn't see an A anywhere on the tyres. Tyre guy reckons I'll get 18000kms out of them we'll see.

There are definitely two types - plain and 'A'. Your tyre guy shouldn't be allowed to sell you the 'wrong' one for the bike, he should have checked the spec on the tyre versus bike if he's a professional. Seriously, if he wants repeat business he needs you to stay alive to buy the next pair.
Ask him to swap them out for the 'A' spec, which is for heavier bikes, and pay him the measly £10 extra (approx). They're marked with an 'A' - surprise surprise - see attachment.

You'll get 8,000 miles / 12,000 km if you're a good boy, 6-7,000 if you hoon it.


I can confirm they work extremely well - 4 pairs so far. In comparison with Dunlops and Michelin PR4, the Angels are the best in the dry, and equal / v close second in the wet compared to Michelins. They don't whiteline like Michelins either. The Dunlops just weren't nice - inferior grip.

I also see comments about stiffness and weight in the thread. On a bike like a K1300, the small increase in tyre weight is nether here nor there. Its not a race bike.

Ref: https://www.pirelli.com/tyres/en-gb/...sheet/angel-gt
and open the expansion sections at the bottom to find the specific A model.
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Re: Angel GT - "A" Spec?

I run a regular Angel GT in front and an A-spec in the rear. I just checked my records and I went 13,181 miles on a set. I was shocked because I got less miles with the same tires on a Triumph Sprint ST 955. It was strictly commuter miles for both. I think the difference was the traction control on the K1300S. Also, this was on SoCal roads. Other areas may have more abrasive roads.
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