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Old 03-25-2017, 11:06 PM
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My new to me K1300S stalled a couple of times today.

Slowing down, downshifting coming up to traffic lights. Changed down then stall.

Went awfully quiet

Any ideas? I will ring dealer I bought the bike off tomorrow. They are in Sydney (2hrs + away) but there is a local BMW dealer (Brisans) and it is covered by a three year warranty.

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Old 03-25-2017, 11:11 PM
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G'Day mate, what is the age of the bike and where did it come from?
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Old 03-25-2017, 11:27 PM
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Re: Stalling

That's 1st generation K13S and quite a few kays. First of all I would be checking the battery. Next make sure there are no outstanding recalls on switchgear or wiring harness.
Check the voltage coming out of that battery and speak to Scott at BikeBiz about the history of the bike.
Mark 'grey spikes' lives near you and might be able to advise you on some of the details of this bike...
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Old 03-25-2017, 11:31 PM
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Also, are there any aftermarket connections (GPS, etc) on the bike? Something that may be creating an issue?
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Re: Stalling

You need to check if that bike has the latest software and air box. These were changed at the end of the second week in October 2008. There were many bikes with your problem at the time. The air box is the big one. The software change moved the fuel cut in point up to 1800 rpm on closed throttle so the thing would not nosedive and stall. (close the throttle at higher rpm's and it goes to zero fuel) If you go back in the threads many years to the era of your bike you will start to see stuff about your problem. There was even a silent recall on the air box/software fix if someone complained. I got mine fixed that way. Still have it at 98,000 miles and it ran me ragged just today in the rain in this f..king place called Seattle.
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Thanks for the replies.

Will check battery voltage.

No add-ones re GPS etc.

I have a copy of updates done a couple of years ago. Will contact BikeBiz.

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Also this is the first time it has happened since I picked it up last Friday week. Done about 800kms on it. Lovely to ride.

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Wouldn't hurt too do a throttle re-sync, also.
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Wouldn't hurt too do a throttle re-sync, also.

Can I do that? Or service only?
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You can do it.
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Just tried finding the procedure in the owners manual...if its there, I can't find it.

Turn key on, turn throttle too full (wide open) slowly, then let throttle off, slowly, too idle position.

Do this 2-3 times, turn key off, let bike have a little sleep, then key on & hit starter button.

This may just turn into a temporary fix, if the bike has another problem.
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Having googled this issue I am a little despondent! Seems it was a huge issue with 2009 K1300S models.

Bugger!
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Re: Stalling

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My new to me K1300S stalled a couple of times today.

Slowing down, downshifting coming up to traffic lights. Changed down then stall.

Went awfully quiet

Any ideas? I will ring dealer I bought the bike off tomorrow. They are in Sydney (2hrs + away) but there is a local BMW dealer (Brisans) and it is covered by a three year warranty.

Cheers, Chris

Hey Chris, warranty or not, you only just bought the bike, so it should not have any problems, they have to fix it.
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Contacted BikeBiz this morning and yet to hear back from them.

Tested battery voltage. 12.51V not running, 14.02V running.

Will await BikeBiz service managers call.....

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Hey mate...best of luck!
Personally I'd be asking for my money back or a replacement bike if one is available. You don't need these sort of problems when you just bought the bike
P.S. make sure BikeBiz understand the power of social media and the negative effect of bad customer service
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Taking to local dealer to check on Thursday. Will see after that. Probably end up in Sydney at BikeBiz.
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In my opinion that is a bad move. Once anyone other than BikeBiz touches the bike you have no chance of claiming on purchase warranty from them. Did you hear back from Scott???
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In my opinion that is a bad move. Once anyone other than BikeBiz touches the bike you have no chance of claiming on purchase warranty from them. Did you hear back from Scott???

I have to agree with Kman here, once the bike is back at the original dealer you bought the bike from, you can get a fixed bike or your money back.
Taking it to another dealer workshop could bring a world of problems.
So bikebiz said it was ok to send the bike to Brisans, and that they would pick up the bill?
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Thanks K-Man and KiwiMat

I spoke to Brad at BikeBiz today and he called Brisans and asked them to check out the computer as a first step. Will see Brisans Thursday.

Great to know you have my back

Took the bike for a similar ride today, but it behaved of course!

May be able to go for a ride up the country (Armidale) with some friends next week if I don't go back to work. Be nice to stretch its legs!

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Ok, Brisans couldn't shed any light on the issue this morning. Guess it is back to BikeBiz.

Stalled again this morning at a roundabout

Losing a little confidence in this bike not to get me run over without it being my fault!
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Well my priority would be to try and replace the bike. Sounds like it always had the problem, before you became its owner. Try and convince Bikebiz to take it back and either give you another or your money back. Play it cool but highlight the dangers of a stalling bike in traffic. Make them aware how your life might be at risk with an unreliable machine like this. Keep us posted and don't forget to speak with Scott when in Granville. Good luck
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Ok, Brisans couldn't shed any light on the issue this morning. Guess it is back to BikeBiz.

Stalled again this morning at a roundabout

Losing a little confidence in this bike not to get me run over without it being my fault!

If they were happy to have Brisans diagnose then why do it again. Ask for your money back.
And when bikebiz are in court because you got wiped out at a roundabout?. It's a safety issue!!
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I have called Brad at BikeBiz and he was to call me in ten to fifteen minutes. Will see what transpires.

I don't know how easy it is to take back a bike. They will want me to bring bike down there for further testing to try and fix.
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I have called Brad at BikeBiz and he was to call me in ten to fifteen minutes. Will see what transpires.

I don't know how easy it is to take back a bike. They will want me to bring bike down there for further testing to try and fix.

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My new to me K1300S stalled a couple of times today.

Slowing down, downshifting coming up to traffic lights. Changed down then stall.

Went awfully quiet

Any ideas? I will ring dealer I bought the bike off tomorrow. They are in Sydney (2hrs + away) but there is a local BMW dealer (Brisans) and it is covered by a three year warranty.

Cheers, Chris

Hi Chris

Do you like to read ? Look at this thread...

"Choking and stalling when coasting, now with backfire" http://www.i-bmw.com/showthread.php?t=48870

As summary, the Temperature air sensor in the airbox ...



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Thanks KiwiMat. Will call him.

Bernardo, thank you. I have read that and many threads. Seems there were a number of fixes, not sure whether they worked long term. That fix, the Throttle Position Sensor, airbox, grease in throttle bodies.

Depesssing really.
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Do not forget consumer affairs if all else fails. Australia has great consumer protection and vendors do not like them getting involved. Document your issues and responses from dealers. I have have good success with consumer affairs
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I Will drop it into Worthingtons at Gosford and the service manager will pick up from there.
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K-Man BikeBiz have the bike. They are checking the DME number to see if any updates.

They will keep me posted. I am hoping the service manager has ridden it from Central Coast. He mentioned they didn't check ride it yesterday due to rain.

Really needs to be ridden in the city to check it. I also asked if they have a data logger.

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I'll have some feedback on this issue at the end of April. On our 33 degree December ride our K1300S was dying when rolling to a stop and the it did the "time to go home" thingy. On restart I pushed the start button and it moaned a little, but nothing else. I immediately released the start button, repressed, and it slowly cranked. When she fired we turned for the house. After a lot of internet research I've ordered a new battery, and also over the winter installed an AF-XiED O2 sensor from Beemer Bone Yard. I know the AF-iXED resolved the idle issue from our previous S and also that the Westco battery cranks far better then stock. Maybe it was just the cold and two Gerbings on high but the last thing I want is to get to Texas and have battery issues. I'll report back after THCR.

I could rant on why this is still an issue but I truly believe it is 13:1 compression and ethanol. I hate ethanol.
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IMHO, you are slowly killing it by using fuel with ethanol - a big NO NO
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You make it sound like there's a choice.
In a civilised country like Australia there is....and no one puts ethanol based fuel in a high performance engine
Are you suggesting you are unable to purchase premium high octane fuel??
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K-Man BikeBiz have the bike. They are checking the DME number to see if any updates.

They will keep me posted. I am hoping the service manager has ridden it from Central Coast. He mentioned they didn't check ride it yesterday due to rain.

Really needs to be ridden in the city to check it. I also asked if they have a data logger.

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They have ridden it 82km and not found a fault. Checked computer and sensors no fault. I sent some links of the issues from 2009.

As a gesture of goodwill (!) they will inspect and clean throttle bodies at no cost to me. Then test and if cannot fault it will arrange for me to collect bike and report back. This was in email I received late yesterday.

I replied that one of the common fixes from 2009 was replacing the throttle position sensor and if the air box is current.

If it continues when I get it home I will see Department of Fair Trading. I have it in writing them reccomending I garage the bike and not ride until they check it before I took it to Worthingtons.
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They have ridden it 82km and not found a fault. Checked computer and sensors no fault. I sent some links of the issues from 2009.

As a gesture of goodwill (!) they will inspect and clean throttle bodies at no cost to me. Then test and if cannot fault it will arrange for me to collect bike and report back. This was in email I received late yesterday.

I replied that one of the common fixes from 2009 was replacing the throttle position sensor and if the air box is current.

If it continues when I get it home I will see Department of Fair Trading. I have it in writing them reccomending I garage the bike and not ride until they check it before I took it to Worthingtons.

And the condition of you picking the bike up will be, if it happens again you will get a full refund. If they can't put this in writing and sign it, don't take the bike from them.
Then you ass is covered, and you have a document for fair trading when they start pissing you around a second time.
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Have mentioned that to them this afternoon KiwiMat. The technician was out testing the bike when I rang.

I do not know if it has stalled for them.

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Have mentioned that to them this afternoon KiwiMat. The technician was out testing the bike when I rang.

I do not know if it has stalled for them.

Cheers, Chris

Good one Chris!
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In a civilised country like Australia there is....and no one puts ethanol based fuel in a high performance engine :

Except the v8 Supercars which run on 15% ethanol
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Sounds like some people I know
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In a civilised country ....
We're still working on that one.
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Are you suggesting you are unable to purchase premium high octane fuel??
We are unable to purchase ethanol free high octane. Some say Shell oil is ethanol free but their pumps say "may contain up to 10% ethanol". Thankfully a recent government bill to allow 15% failed to pass.
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Ok progress.

Spoke with BikeBiz Friday and Scott the Sales Manager. They understand and have done all the BMW PUMA (?) requirements, which is some BMW code for there is a known snaffu and here is our fix.

They have cleaned throttle bodies, remapped something (yet to get paperwork) and checked throttle position sensor.

I picked the bike up and ran it up the Old Pacific Highway home. Flawless and fun. Met a friend on his Busa at Mt White and had a spirited ride I amazed how nice the bike is when going fairly fast

Went for a ride this morning too. So far so good.

BikeBiz recognise the gravity of any further stalling occurrences and know the bike will go back to stay if they occur.

May still get a Power Plug, will see. Need to get some fall protection.

Thanks everyone for thei advice and support, especially KiwiMat.

Will report when I get the paperwork of what was done, and any further occurrences of course!

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Ok progress.

Spoke with BikeBiz Friday and Scott the Sales Manager. They understand and have done all the BMW PUMA (?) requirements, which is some BMW code for there is a known snaffu and here is our fix.

They have cleaned throttle bodies, remapped something (yet to get paperwork) and checked throttle position sensor.

I picked the bike up and ran it up the Old Pacific Highway home. Flawless and fun. Met a friend on his Busa at Mt White and had a spirited ride I amazed how nice the bike is when going fairly fast

Went for a ride this morning too. So far so good.

BikeBiz recognise the gravity of any further stalling occurrences and know the bike will go back to stay if they occur.

May still get a Power Plug, will see. Need to get some fall protection.

Thanks everyone for thei advice and support, especially KiwiMat.

Will report when I get the paperwork of what was done, and any further occurrences of course!

Cheers, Chris

Good one Chris!!!
Me and Kman just wanted you to get the chance to experience just how good these K1300 bikes are without all the bullshit problems, which, as you got the bike from a dealer, is not your problem.
So good outcome so far! And these bikes get better every time you ride it, or put it another way, they do take a while to get used to.
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I am learning that KiwiMat! Plus learning how to read all the information on the little readout!
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The hard part now is to ride it as much as possible Chris
Hopefully stalling issue is gone, but in the event it resurfaces, the sooner you let them know about it the better. I believe Scott will try to do the right thing, he knows what a pain Mat and I can be if the outcome was to be negative
Mat is correct, these babies just keep getting better! Some people are just unable to handle the beast, or not patient enough to get the feel of it.
Keep enjoying and let us know if you need any support...or to catch up for a ride
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Thanks K-Man. They are a handful and I keep learning.

Would love to catch up for a ride.

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Hey Chris, hope you're well, how about an update on the K1300S.
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Hi KiwiMat, great idea, thanks!

The bike has been running well without a hiccup (i hope i haven't jinxed myself!). The work BikeBiz performed seems to have cured the stalling issue. I am still getting used to the handling, power and throttle I have been riding a bit in "two helmets" mode and the turn-in is much improved. I really need a longer run to fully enjoy the bike, but it is great around town!

I am still looking for an aftermarket exhaust, used if a good one is available that can be inspected, or maybe an S C Project.

Have been doing mostly short rides as I am only home a day and a half a week until the end of August - then it is time for a small road trip with my son. And a catchup with fellow K-bikers.

My sons S1000RR (2015) has been replaced with an Italian supermodel... Ducati 959 Panigale.

Unfortunately his low km BMW had serious issues and had the cams and followers replaced. As warranty runs out in October he lost confidence in it and bought the new Ducati last Saturday. Shame but seems a not uncommon issue.

I have bought some R&G Aero Crash Protectors - I fear it falling or being knocked over - and shaft and front fork protectors. I am freaking a littler over fitting the Aero Crash Protectors but read what was on here and will see how it goes!

Look forward to catching up!
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One of the problems with the R&G sliders is that you will be trying to cut a round hole in an irregular surface. I recommend using a hole saw of a slightly larger diameter than the mounting stem. Hole saws, if you are not familiar with them, have a pilot drill bit in the center. Locate the position of the hole to be cut using the tool furnished, drill the pilot hole, then replace the pilot drill bit with the same size rod. With the fairing on the cycle, use the pilot rod to guide the hole saw level into the fairing. It is scary, but doable. The first time I installed a set, I drilled the hole undersized and used a dremmel grinder to shape the hole. I usually make the hole just a bit larger than the stem to allow the fairing to move a bit. Take your time. I offer this as just ideas. You may be more comfortable using another method. The objective is a clean mount. Good luck and enjoy.
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One of the problems with the R&G sliders is that you will be trying to cut a round hole in an irregular surface. I recommend using a hole saw of a slightly larger diameter than the mounting stem. Hole saws, if you are not familiar with them, have a pilot drill bit in the center. Locate the position of the hole to be cut using the tool furnished, drill the pilot hole, then replace the pilot drill bit with the same size rod. With the fairing on the cycle, use the pilot rod to guide the hole saw level into the fairing. It is scary, but doable. The first time I installed a set, I drilled the hole undersized and used a dremmel grinder to shape the hole. I usually make the hole just a bit larger than the stem to allow the fairing to move a bit. Take your time. I offer this as just ideas. You may be more comfortable using another method. The objective is a clean mount. Good luck and enjoy.

Yep, I recommend a hole saw also.

I also used a felt tip marker to determine where to drill the pilot hole.

I put the marker into the mounting hole on the frame with the marking portion pointing out.

I then pressed my fairing up against the marker. It marked specifically where the R@G slider bolt will go through the fairing panel into the frame.

Just an idea for you.

Good luck!
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Thanks for the tips.

I am still not 100% sure how they fit together but I am sure it will reveal itself as I do the job - I hope
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The R&G kit comes with a short piece of threaded rod that is sharpened on one end. Once you remove the existing hardware, you screw the rod into the existing hole with the pointed end out far enough to touch the fairing when it is installed. Reinstall the fairing, then press the fairing against the pointed end of the rod. That will mark the inside of the fairing exactly where to drill the initial hole to start which ever method you use to size the hole to the R&G stem. I would start with a very small drill bit then use a piece of wire to see if the hole lines up with the pointy thing because at right angle to the fairing will not make the hole and the pointy thing line up. Small holes slightly out of place are less of a problem than a larger one. Put masking tape on the fairing surfaces before you start. Once the initial small hole is drilled, draw a circle slightly larger than the R&G stem centered on this hole so that you can tell if you are getting off center as you enlarge the hole. Take your time and think about the process. Haste will generate mistakes. This is one of those "take a deep breath" installations. A small error in the final hole is not a big issue because, in my opinion, there should be a bit of space around the R&G stem to allow the fairing to move a bit so just make the space consistent around the stem.
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Thanks for the tips.

I am still not 100% sure how they fit together but I am sure it will reveal itself as I do the job - I hope

Hey Chris, how did you get on putting the frame sliders on? I purchased the set before going down to Philip Island with Spanner, but they did'nt arrive in time and I ended up putting them on during the visit back home in November. I am a bit trepidatious about drilling holes in the fairing, but know I can do it with multiple checking as suggested.

If you have installed them did you experience any issues with connecting bolts up? I see from some comments on the forum that it is fairly easy, just need to take your time and check, check and more checks before you drill, cut or otherwise maim a prefectly good fairing.

I am currently back in Jakarta for a month, but upon my return these will be the last addition of the R&G gear. I hope I don't screw it up

Happy New Year to you BTW Gren
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