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Old 06-07-2017, 01:05 AM
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Re: Battery Tender and Lightning Strike Electrical Issues

Also, I spoke with the tech earlier today and he still hadn't received a response from the PUMA to BMW that he sent Saturday.

Looks like it's the "hurry up and wait" game.
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Re: Battery Tender and Lightning Strike Electrical Issues

Exactly..... the ring antenna needs to work and the information from the key needs to match the information stored inside the BMSKP.

Your tech, if he knows his computer software, has the capability to check the function of the Ringantenna and read the key chip.

Like i said before, if he has not programmed the ignition key information into the BMSKP you are not going anywhere.

I don't wan't to bad mouth a dealer tech that i have never spoken to or dealt with, but if he has the same level of expertise like my local dealer, then you can borrow my shovel.
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Old 06-13-2017, 01:10 AM
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Re: Battery Tender and Lightning Strike Electrical Issues

Finally received my replacement I Cluster this past Wednesday. Called the shop to let them know I'd be bringing it in Thursday morning to have the tech install it and see what the results were.

They said, "Don't bother. Our mechanic is off from work until next Tuesday."

So, the bike would sit another four days without a mechanic even looking at it.

Picked the bike up Saturday and took it to a different shop.

They stated that they'd could get it in the shop Wednesday and let me know something by the end of the day.

Said they'd know in two hours if the bike can be repaired or not.

The other shop had had it nearly a month and still couldn't give me a definitive answer.
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Old 06-14-2017, 12:52 PM
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Oh no.... still no fix
That sucks.
I hope your new shop has a better understanding of the electronics.
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Spent the morning at the local BMW dealership. While in the service department, I mentioned your zapped cycle. Amazingly enough, they have an R1200 that got cooked the same way. No mention of a possible solution, just that the circuits were all fried.
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Re: Battery Tender and Lightning Strike Electrical Issues

I sure hope you get lucky and someone finds the magic solution, but it sounding like it may become a parts bike! I sure hope that won't become the final solution but I'm sure there will be a point where you'll have to weigh the pros and cons of how much money you'll keep throwing at it, hoping to resolve the issue!
Good luck buddy, I hope you'll be riding it soon!
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Finally received my replacement I Cluster this past Wednesday. Called the shop to let them know I'd be bringing it in Thursday morning to have the tech install it and see what the results were.

They said, "Don't bother. Our mechanic is off from work until next Tuesday."

So, the bike would sit another four days without a mechanic even looking at it.

Picked the bike up Saturday and took it to a different shop.

They stated that they'd could get it in the shop Wednesday and let me know something by the end of the day.

Said they'd know in two hours if the bike can be repaired or not.

The other shop had had it nearly a month and still couldn't give me a definitive answer.
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Re: Battery Tender and Lightning Strike Electrical Issues

After taking the bike to a different shop and having them replace the I Cluster as well as the RDC, I received a call from the tech saying that the bike is now running!!!!

However, he stated that there is still an issue with the I Cluster in regard to the ABS function:

From the tech:

"Have some findings on your motorcycle. As it sits it can run but the instrument cluster is not functioning correctly. The reason is due to the ABS module being fried. When I substitute my ABS that is in another bike it seems to function correctly. I cannot test ride it like this.

What the bike needs is a good ABS pump. Once I have this I can synch it with the other computers and get everything working. Then I can test ride the bike to ensure everything is working correctly."

So close!!!!!

Stay tuned...............................
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New battery tender instructions:

Walk outside and check for cumulus clouds
Check local weather radar for current thunderstorms
Check local weather forecast for chance of thunder storms
If no suspicious clouds, thunderstorms on local radar, or no forecast thunderstorms
Connect tender leads to cycle
Connect tender to surge protector and surge protector to household current
Repeat steps 1-3 hourly (more often if you live in central Florida)

DUCMAN 70, glad to hear that progress is being made and you will be able to recover use of your cycle.
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That's some great progress!
Seems you got the right tech working on it! Hopefully it won't be long now!
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Ordered an ABS unit.

Hope to have it by mid week to get it to the shop by weeks end.

HOPEFULLY have bike back with everything in order by next weekend.

Fingers crossed!
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Do we need to start a GoFundMe site for you
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Do we need to start a GoFundMe site for you

Boy, that's no shite Lee! (LOL)

IF it all works when back together, this endeavor will have cost about $3,400.

$1825 in parts (and that figure is with used parts except for BMSK-P which I bought new)

$1500 in labor.

Seems crazy but still cheaper than buying a new bike.


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In girth! LOL!
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Spoke with the mechanic Saturday.

All of the modules have now been replaced and reprogrammed.

Bike starts and runs fine!

However, there is still/now an issue with the voltage being sent to various components.

At idle the bike is showing around 14 volts. It is apparently supposed to be in the 12.5-13 range.

When he gives the bikes some revs it increases to 17 volts and starts blowing things. So far, it has only blown my headlight bulbs.

The above being said, he has determined that my voltage regulator got fried also.

So, it looks like a replacement alternator is in store.

He went on to say that the bike was no longer throwing any codes and that everything worked. The only issue is the increase in volts.
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No module has anything to do with any of the other modules when it comes to programming/coding. All modules are connected on the CAN BUS network in Parallel. If one unit fails then the others are still connected and working. Imagine how dangerous it would be if your ZFE were to fail and it shuts the bike off while riding.... Not going to happen.


Patrique83, I've been following this with a great interest. Every module is kind of stand alone like you say, but isn't it so that they rely on each others output on the CAN BUS network to be able to function properly? Like they constantly feed each other information, process it, do their specific task. Etc.
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I moved my response to your question here

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Spoke with the mechanic Saturday.

All of the modules have now been replaced and reprogrammed.

Bike starts and runs fine!

However, there is still/now an issue with the voltage being sent to various components.

At idle the bike is showing around 14 volts. It is apparently supposed to be in the 12.5-13 range.

When he gives the bikes some revs it increases to 17 volts and starts blowing things. So far, it has only blown my headlight bulbs.

The above being said, he has determined that my voltage regulator got fried also.

So, it looks like a replacement alternator is in store.

He went on to say that the bike was no longer throwing any codes and that everything worked. The only issue is the increase in volts.

I'm happy that it is getting sorted.
Nothing like a mechanic who knows what they're doing.

How much $ has this cost you so far?
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Mike. Glad you finally got her sorted out. That took a lot of patience. Good job.
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I'm happy that it is getting sorted.
Nothing like a mechanic who knows what they're doing.

How much $ has this cost you so far?

IF the alternator is the last piece of the puzzle It'll be around $3600 total.

$1900 parts/ $1700 labor.
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Mike. Glad you finally got her sorted out. That took a lot of patience. Good job.

She's not there yet. Getting close though.

If the alternator doesn't fix it. I'm throwing in the towel.
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Received a message from the tech stating that my bike is now good to go!

Apparently the replacement alternator/regulator fixed the remaining issues.

However, I'm not going to get too optimistic until I actually get a chance to take the bike on a shake down ride and see if everything is as he says.

I still have to replace the three blown headlight bulbs also. However, that's nothing compared to what I've been through.

So here is the final tally:

Parts:

New BMSKP- $1151 (+$100 tax)
Used I Cluster- $150
Used ZFE- $150
Used RDC- $150
Used ABS- $175
Used Alternator- $106

Total- $1977

Labor:

Shop # 1- $671
Shop # 2- $1111

Total- $1782


Grand total- $3759
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def sucks!! but hopefully its all sorted and back good as before!!
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Need to print the post listing the final tally and tape it next to the outlet where one's charger is plugged in. It will remind one to unplug when thunder is heard.
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Wow, what a tale of Woe.....but it seems to have come to a good outcome and you will be back in the saddle so very soon...

Just a side note, not sure how it works in the USA,,,,,but would any of this be covered by your house insurance, since the bike was not on the road, and was in your garage ? and the cause was due to an electrical issue which again is part of the home, same coverage that will probably cover the damage to TV's, Computers and any other devices that might be plugged in ???

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I ran this very scenario past my insurance company and was informed that without a doubt, this loss would have been covered under my motorcycle insurance policy payable in full minus the deductible. Loss would have been applied to "other than collision" section of the policy.
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Need to print the post listing the final tally and tape it next to the outlet where one's charger is plugged in. It will remind one to unplug when thunder is heard.
This begs the question 'why keep a bike continually plugged into a charger?' It works fine to just top off the battery with a few hours of charging every couple of weeks when a bike is not in use.
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Need to print the post listing the final tally and tape it next to the outlet where one's charger is plugged in. It will remind one to unplug when thunder is heard.

Unfortunately this is true.
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Wow, what a tale of Woe.....but it seems to have come to a good outcome and you will be back in the saddle so very soon...

Just a side note, not sure how it works in the USA,,,,,but would any of this be covered by your house insurance, since the bike was not on the road, and was in your garage ? and the cause was due to an electrical issue which again is part of the home, same coverage that will probably cover the damage to TV's, Computers and any other devices that might be plugged in ???

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Thanks.

Unfortunately, there is a clause in my "Home Owners" policy that states that any vehicle registered for use on a highway/road is not covered by Home Owners insurance.

Has to be covered by vehicle insurance policy.

Don't know if this is true with all Home Owner policies but was the case with mine.
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I ran this very scenario past my insurance company and was informed that without a doubt, this loss would have been covered under my motorcycle insurance policy payable in full minus the deductible. Loss would have been applied to "other than collision" section of the policy.

I have Shelter Insurance for my Home Owners.

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This begs the question 'why keep a bike continually plugged into a charger?' It works fine to just top off the battery with a few hours of charging every couple of weeks when a bike is not in use.

Definitely true in most cases.

In my case, I keep it plugged into a charger throughout the winter months. Considering my garage isn't heated it gets a bit cold in the winter. Not to mention the CO that is released when letting the bike idle to charge the battery.

Just an old habit.

Been doing it for 20 years and never had an issue.

Just bad luck on my part.
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I have Shelter Insurance for my Home Owners.

Who do you have?

Not my home owners...my MC insurance carrier Foremost would cover this loss. It's now documented in my files with them

I have all my insurance through the AARP program with the Hartford and toys with them through Foremost.
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Not my home owners...my MC insurance carrier Foremost would cover this loss. It's now documented in my files with them

I have all my insurance through the AARP program with the Hartford and toys with them through Foremost.

Whoops, misread your previous post.

Yes, my motorcycle insurance (Progressive) would have covered it had I had Comp/Coll coverage.
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Well, I picked up the bike today and it is running. It actually runs as well as it ever did.

The only hiccup (s) are:

1. That I really can't tell a difference in my suspension settings when I go from sport/comf/norm and the various pre load settings (helmet/2 helmet/luggage etc..)

Spoke with the tech and he stated that if there were issues it would throw a code. I know nothing flashes on the cluster.

2. At idle it sounds like it's missing just a little. The exhaust note goes "putt, putt, putt, putt" instead of a nice robust note.

However, as soon as I give it throttle it sounds fine.

It is also emitting a "smell" that isn't normal coming out of the exhaust. It definitely smells different than normal.

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The bikes been sitting for awhile, plus I'm sure its had many a start stop checks, I would ride it for awhile and put it trough a couple fresh tanks of gas and then re-evaluate it.
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This begs the question 'why keep a bike continually plugged into a charger?' It works fine to just top off the battery with a few hours of charging every couple of weeks when a bike is not in use.

Exactly and something I never do. Plug it in once a month and unplug it as soon as fully charged. If your battery is going dead sooner than that then you need a new battery!
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The bikes been sitting for awhile, plus I'm sure its had many a start stop checks, I would ride it for awhile and put it trough a couple fresh tanks of gas and then re-evaluate it.

Yeah, I am HOPING it's stale fuel issue. The bike has been sitting for 2.5 months. I might put some Techron in and top off the tank with fresh fuel.
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The exhaust note goes "putt, putt, putt, putt"

That's what a R1200 sounds like
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Just curious, how's the bike been running?? Any more issues with anything??
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Exactly and something I never do. Plug it in once a month and unplug it as soon as fully charged. If your battery is going dead sooner than that then you need a new battery!

I agree when using a charger, but with the new "smart" battery maintainers, I would leave it hooked up.
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Just curious, how's the bike been running?? Any more issues with anything??

Made it through my Colorado trip but the bike is still not idling correctly and I'm fairly certain my suspension isn't working.

I took the bike to my nearest dealer this morning and upon firing it up and listening to it the tech instantly said, "It sounds like it's loading upon fuel. Most likely a fouled plug."

I thought the same thing when I first picked up the bike. I did a bit of research on changing the plugs and it appeared that it was/is a major PITA on the K bikes. So, I guess i'll let the shop do it.

As for the suspension, I hope it's just a programming issue. If not, I guess I'll see where it goes.

Stay tuned..........................and thanks for asking.
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An easy way to check if the suspension is responding to the handlebar setting is to set it for '2 helmets' (engine running and bike stationary) and after a pause of a few seconds the rear of the bike should visibly rise by a few inches.
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An easy way to check if the suspension is responding to the handlebar setting is to set it for '2 helmets' (engine running and bike stationary) and after a pause of a few seconds the rear of the bike should visibly rise by a few inches.

Good idea for validating the Preload Motor. One could also put their hand on the motor body and thus may feel a slight vibration when it's energized.

As for the Damping adjuster, if you're not detecting it's do it's job while riding, try putting a hand on the shock body when stationary while adjusting the damping setting...or is that possible?

P.S. I have a GS-911 w/Bluethooth now so if you want to ride up here we can hook it up to yours (I have 7 of 10 empty VINs left).
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An easy way to check if the suspension is responding to the handlebar setting is to set it for '2 helmets' (engine running and bike stationary) and after a pause of a few seconds the rear of the bike should visibly rise by a few inches.

10-4.

Can't say that I recall either feeling or observing the suspension raise when I adjusted it from one helmet to two helmets.

I believe I would have noticed an increase. Especially if it was 3 inches! That's quite a bit of a raise in ride height.
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Good idea for validating the Preload Motor. One could also put their hand on the motor body and thus may feel a slight vibration when it's energized.

As for the Damping adjuster, if you're not detecting it's do it's job while riding, try putting a hand on the shock body when stationary while adjusting the damping setting...or is that possible?

P.S. I have a GS-911 w/Bluethooth now so if you want to ride up here we can hook it up to yours (I have 7 of 10 empty VINs left).

All great ideas except the bike is at the shop now.

Appreciate the offer of using the GS-911 also.
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O.K.

Spoke with the shop today.

The idling/decelerating issue is fixed.

A new spark plug and some injector cleaner and all is good.

The suspension is FUBAR'D though.

Stated that when they attempt to adjust the pre load on the rear shock all they hear is the servo motor making noises and nothing happening.

So, get ready for a suspension thread.........................LOL
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Picked up the bike today.

It is running and idling 100% better.

Those issues appear to be finally fixed.
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Picked up the bike today.

It is running and idling 100% better.

Those issues appear to be finally fixed.

Were you able to get the ESA working?
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