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Old 12-13-2017, 08:45 AM
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Brake "failure" message

Not had a chance to ride my new (to me) K13R, but have noticed that when I start her up I see a brake failure warning. I'm sure I've read somewhere that this disappears once you hit about 5mph and indeed it did go off when I rode the bike up the drive. So, this would appear ok, but just wondered if this is indeed normal / usual?
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Old 12-13-2017, 09:07 AM
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Not had a chance to ride my new (to me) K13R, but have noticed that when I start her up I see a brake failure warning. I'm sure I've read somewhere that this disappears once you hit about 5mph and indeed it did go off when I rode the bike up the drive. So, this would appear ok, but just wondered if this is indeed normal / usual?
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Old 12-13-2017, 09:31 AM
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Re: Brake "failure" message

So, a great new bike, please share some of your thoughts when you get some miles on the beast. Your going to have fun. I assume you are in the states, winter here, keep it on a trickle charger (smart version). You probably already know but a direct fused line to the battery for your charger pigtail is the way to go. Battery easy to get to under the top cover of the gas tank.
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Old 12-13-2017, 10:41 AM
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So, a great new bike, please share some of your thoughts when you get some miles on the beast. Your going to have fun. I assume you are in the states, winter here, keep it on a trickle charger (smart version). You probably already know but a direct fused line to the battery for your charger pigtail is the way to go. Battery easy to get to under the top cover of the gas tank.

Hi. I'm in the UK - weather is appalling at the moment!! I have an optimate lead attached and charge the bikes on a weekly basis, as opposed to continuous connection. Will deffo post up some views once i get a ride - might be a little while though lol. In the meantime, waiting for my mods to turn up, get em put on and give the bike a bit of "pristining"
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Old 12-13-2017, 10:56 AM
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Re: Brake "failure" message

Well fiddling with the bike and new stuff is fun and helps with the Winter weather.
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Re: Brake "failure" message

Hey Beech, I just noticed after my last ride (after 23,000 miles!) that when I start up the bike with kill switch in the kill position, the self check on the brakes are either significantly delayed (30 seconds) or don't come on. Trying same with kill switch in run position, the bike goes straight away into the self checks.

Is THAT normal? I've never noticed before.
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Re: Brake "failure" message

I have been involved with two dealer shops relaying that Germany says not to use the kill switch for normal shutdown. It cuts the computer normal sequences in the shut down. A variety of non normal events can happen from this practice.
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I have been involved with two dealer shops relaying that Germany says not to use the kill switch for normal shutdown. It cuts the computer normal sequences in the shut down. A variety of non normal events can happen from this practice.

Now I'm a self confessed know nothing much about mechanical things, and i have seen lots of peeps using the kill switch. However, isn't it meant for emergencies - what's wrong with the key!!?? Just saying / asking
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I have been involved with two dealer shops relaying that Germany says not to use the kill switch for normal shutdown. It cuts the computer normal sequences in the shut down. A variety of non normal events can happen from this practice.
I use the key first, then put the kill switch to kill. Reverse it to start machine.
Having the kill switch on the run position with your key on but bike not started and stuff can burn out I'm told.

So what about my startup sequence with the self check?
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Re: Brake "failure" message

I never use the kill switch for shutting the bike off(I mean in normal running of the bike obviously in an emergency I would)and I can't remember the last time I've ever use it.

Not even when working on the bike - if I'm doing something that I feel needs the power source off I disconnect the battery.
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I never use the kill switch for shutting the bike off(I mean in normal running of the bike obviously in an emergency I would)and I can't remember the last time I've ever use it.

Not even when working on the bike - if I'm doing something that I feel needs the power source off I disconnect the battery.

Ditto!! (Not that i do much work on it lol)
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Old 12-14-2017, 11:44 AM
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Re: Brake "failure" message

I never touch that kill switch . . . too scared of seeing the LCD turn blue and display Fatal Error
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Re: Brake "failure" message

It's like turning off your home computer, do you just unplug it or do you let it shut down via the "turn off button or icon" . And the rocker switch on the bikes that is kill or start locks into the kill position but is momentary in the start. In the neutral mid position there is no command to the computer. The new keyless bikes, you press to turn off and the bike stops, in a few seconds the systems turn off in sequence. No need to fret any further.
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Re: Brake "failure" message

Does the side stand use the same circuitry as the "kill switch" to shut the engine off? I have been using the side stand followed by the key as a proof of extension of the side stand. It reduces the probability of leaning the cycle onto nothingness if you get distracted.
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Old 12-19-2017, 04:55 AM
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Re: Brake "failure" message

I don't think their are circuits as such anymore. Most of the switches and sensors plug in the CAN "circuit". Each of the on board computers like the ZFE, ECU, alarm module etcetera processes input that is relevant. The side stand looks to be part of the CAN system for its position is monitored by the network as can be seen with a GS911.
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I don't think their are circuits as such anymore. Most of the switches and sensors plug in the CAN "circuit". Each of the on board computers like the ZFE, ECU, alarm module etcetera processes input that is relevant. The side stand looks to be part of the CAN system for its position is monitored bij the network as can be seen with a GS911.

Thanks, but I'll again address my concern. There were earlier comments made about the detrimental effects of using the kill switch on a normal basis. My question is - whether the same detrimental effects will occur if the side stand is used in a similar fashion no matter which wires are used.
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Re: Brake "failure" message

I see.
My guess is using the kill switch can do no harm because this is what the operator manual says:

Operating the emergency
ON/OFF switch when riding
can cause the rear wheel to lock
and thus cause a fall.
Do not operate the emergency
ON/OFF switch when riding.
The engine can be switched
off easily and quickly using the
emergency ON/OFF switch.


Anyway, I never use the kill switch. I assume that employing the side stand has the same systems go down (ignition and/or injection?) as when using the kill switch.
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Re: Brake "failure" message

As a recently retired Embedded Control Systems Engineer I'd lean towards not using the Kill Switch. Our Systems needed battery power for some "house keeping" functions that would commence when the Keyswitch was turned from ON to OFF. These functions lasted only a few seconds and then the ECU would go into a very low power "sleep mode" wherein it waited for the Keyswitch to turn from OFF to ON..thus running again.

I don't have a schematic for our K1300S bikes so I can only speculate...but if using the Kill Switch causes Battery Power to be immediately cut off from any of the ECUs then it's probably circumventing a shutdown "house keeping" function from running. Probably not going to cause a big problem but not the best thing to practice IMHO.
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What prevents the bike from starting when it's in gear?
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What prevents the bike from starting when it's in gear?
Switch on the clutch tells computer that the clutch lever has been pulled in and it is okay to start the bike. Try it. put the bike in gear and try to start the bike without holding the clutch in, no bueno.
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I believe you. I always start it in neutral.
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That's the answer I was hoping for


It is covered in your owners manual.
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But the round about manner in which a question is finally answered yields so much more information that is interesting.
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