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Old 06-08-2007, 07:53 PM
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Re: 2007 K1200GT idles at 3,000 after 9.1 install and no new airbox

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my gt is 2 month old.it has the new ecu and the 9.0 software.it has 5000 miles on it and is absolutly perfect.had the airbox relaced at 2500 miles because of high idle.it fixed the problem and has not appeared again.
hans

Hans,

I wondered when you put this post up whether or not you were Greg's friend. He mentioned before that you might get a GT, but that you would also keep the K-S.

On the faulty airbox replacement. I have to wonder whether they are just replacing these airboxes or whether they are a new, different, improved versions.

I remember years ago on the K12RS's, the cooling fans blew and each time they replaced the fans it was supposedly a better fan until by the third try BMW actually had a new fan that worked.

You guys have fun on your Saturday morning ride!

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Re: 2007 K1200GT idles at 3,000 after 9.1 install and no new airbox

Miles,
the increased idle issue I had when I was traveling in the georgia,north carolina and tennessee mountains.i called bluemoon bmw in atlanta and they took me in the next morning.they checked the bike out and I was able to tell them already(thanks to my friend greg) what the problem was.they taped the airbox off and the problem never occured again.a few weeks later, greg and I were at our dealer in tampa and they offered me a new airbox.I told them that the bike was perfect and i asked them if the new airbox was different from the one I had in the bike.they told me that they don't know and it had the same part# and they could replace it right now.i told them to go ahead,but told them also to tape the edge off,just in case.they did and also loaded the 9.1 software update to the bike.The bike runs unbelievable smooth and fast.i have a perfect bike.i hope it will stay that way.
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Re: 2007 K1200GT idles at 3,000 after 9.1 install and no new airbox

miles,
one more thing.
i had the K1200LT and the K1200S.I sold them both and bought the GT.the GT does really replace both bikes.the Gt is a perfect combination.I rode the LT 40k miles in 3 years and the S 10k miles in less the 2 years.I enjoyed both bikes very much,but felt that I have to downsize a little.2 kids in college etc.
I think the yellow/black S was the best looking bike I ever had.I wish I could still have it in addition to the GT,but life is a compromise.
I'm very happy with the GT and would not want to replace it.
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Re: 2007 K1200GT idles at 3,000 after 9.1 install and no new airbox

excellent post, Hans
i'm very glad that you have begun posting.... you have a lot of very useful things to add here...

i hope that this will mark the beginning of many contributions here
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Re: 2007 K1200GT idles at 3,000 after 9.1 install and no new airbox

Yes, very informative posts Hans. Duck tape - huh! <g> And thanks for the personal information on where you are with the bikes you had and the new GT as well.

Since this is late Friday with the weekend sneaking up - the rest of this is going to be stated as a "fun" post, together with some off-the-wall one-liners! <g>

What the two of you should do tomorrow (and make sure you have decaf at breakfast, Greg, in case you follow this suggestion) is go over to your dealer to see where they're at with everything.

But, beyond that, have them install Greg's old ecu in Han's new GT for some laughs!! <g> I'd love to know how a Mk II, later built GT would go with an old Mk I ecu!! Now that would be an interesting test!! (before you fire an e-mail back at me - let me assure you I'm kidding!!).

But sitting a few feet away from me is my old ecu. The gave it back to me when I picked-up my bike with the new one. And, you know, every once in a while it makes this high-idle sound while sitting there; occasionally starts jumping around (bucking) and sticks (sticky throttle) to the surface its on!! <big grin>

In my own warped mind I have these delusions of sneaking with it down to the dealership when it's closed and bolting it into the demo GT bike!!! <g>.

Guess nothing like these two "bolts" from the blue would ever happen; but it sure would be fun seeing how one of our old ecu's affects and otherwise "normal" running GT!!

Have a great weekend; and let's hope Greg gets his GT back early next week and operates the way you are describing your new GT, Hans. And a super congratulaton on the new bike!!

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Re: 2007 K1200GT idles at 3,000 after 9.1 install and no new airbox

we are meeting at cracker barrel in the morning....
just what my ALREADY FAT body needs

i'll make it back to the dealer eventually tomorrow
i might drive the car to meet Hans, instead of my Brutale

for whatever reason.... i am losing interest in riding at all right now... sad, but true


i hope that interest will be RE-kindled when my GT is fixed.... whatever month that happens
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Re: 2007 K1200GT idles at 3,000 after 9.1 install and no new airbox

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my gt is 2 month old.it has the new ecu and the 9.0 software.it has 5000 miles on it and is absolutly perfect.had the airbox relaced at 2500 miles because of high idle.it fixed the problem and has not appeared again.
hans

Help a bud out...."splain me sumtin". My GT is two months old. It has the legacy ecu. How is it you got a new ECU? If you dont mind, what is the production date( of your bike)?

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Help a bud out...."splain me sumtin". My GT is two months old. It has the legacy ecu. How is it you got a new ECU? If you dont mind, what is the production date( of your bike)?

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all bikes built after 1/1/07 have the NEW ECU
when was YOUR'S built?
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all bikes built after 1/1/07 have the NEW ECU
when was YOUR'S built?

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Re: 2007 K1200GT idles at 3,000 after 9.1 install and no new airbox

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my gt is 2 month old.it has the new ecu and the 9.0 software.it has 5000 miles on it and is absolutly perfect.had the airbox relaced at 2500 miles because of high idle.it fixed the problem and has not appeared again.
hans

Hans,

Sorry to repeat the question, but I couldn't figure out when your bike was built. I know from the posts it had the new ecu.

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Hans,

Sorry to repeat the question, but I couldn't figure out when your bike was built. I know from the posts it had the new ecu.

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i believe that Hans' bike was built in February of 2007
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where can I find the production month or date?
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go to post 128 in this thread, and you will fine a link to a website.

Here's a link to the post: http://www.i-bmw.com/showpost.php?p=82795&postcount=128
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Re: 2007 K1200GT idles at 3,000 after 9.1 install and no new airbox

Do you access the airbox from the right side after removing the side panel?
Is there more than one area on the box that get's taped?. I may try that
new experiment.

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Re: 2007 K1200GT idles at 3,000 after 9.1 install and no new airbox

Guys ,
the production date is Dec.06 and i purchased the bike April 5 07.
I do have the old ecu in my bike and the 9.1 update on it.
It works fine.Also have the TPM.
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Re: 2007 K1200GT idles at 3,000 after 9.1 install and no new airbox

if you were fortunate enuf
to have 10 brand new virgin "S" models
consecutive or not

rode them nose to tail
fueled & serviced them...... the same
no doubt you would have similar problems

production variances are acceptable at + or - 2-3 per cent
which means HP ......torque will vary
brothers to best friends that have bought similar or same
bikes have noticed.......one will always top the other
it rarely comes down to the plums thrown over the saddle

all of the ECU's......
if bmw is the company/manufacturer we think
should be returned for inspection & run again
bench tested..... even possibly run on another motorcycle
if 100 are returned
i'd be willing to bet fewer than 10% are determined bad/defective

about the many updates.....far toooo many to be definative
collapsed air boxes.....seaweed & thrash in air intakes..........??????

given the many sensors
feeding info back to the ecu to maintain or make adjustments
as ive mentioned b4
proper diagnostics one would have to consider them even b4 the ecu

fluffy......or excessive idling is a result of stringent
epa regulations........simply the realm where most gas engines pollute
the air/fuel ratios are more prone to be errant at partial throttle
start & go traffic.... booty trolling
coming off the hiway at hi speed.........say at 65mph
making at most flat/level 25 HP puts NO strain on modern engines

yet there is a heat soak
drop of that tramp 35-40 mph to the 1st lite
& those residual btu's start adding up fast
the proper sensors are Not instant
& the other sensors in complement are also sending info
cutting the switch as someone mentioned is simply rebooting
which many have done a thousand times with their pc's
it allows the ecu to default
& start at square 1
that does NOT necessarily mean the ecu is bad

some are going to find that replacing/updating the ECU will help
others NOT
somewill find updating flash/software will help
others NOT.....
ive actually read this scenario.........on this site
which leaves that person few if NO other choices

if the consensus is the ECU aint right
everyone is taking the head shot........
while the solution may very be something somewhere else

measuring air flow [quantity & load].....engine rpm
temps etc correctly allows the ECU to function properly
errant sensors may be part of the problem


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measuring air flow [quantity & load].....engine rpm
temps etc correctly allows the ECU to function properly
errant sensors may be part of the problem


good luck

I'm voting for sensor incompatibility between BMSK vs BMSKP ECU, not errant sensor. Decided to dodge the issue entirely, tho, by spending $600 on the ASC retrofit. Seems like a reasonable price for a valuable accessory (tho I feel a little ripped off that I wasn't informed of the details when I took delivery without the ASC), and I can get rid of the high idle without many trips to dealer and trying to convince BMW there's a problem. With all due respect, idle sticking at 3000 is not, IMHO, as benign as you seem to imply.

My sense of my dealer's and BMW's reaction to this problem is they believe it's real and they need to take action. Too many GT's are coming back to the shop with this problem, all at once. BMW does not believe ECU is the culprit, so far, but they also do not know what is, and they are relying on these threads for reports from the field. Time will tell.

I'll submit multiple reports that are much too long as soon as my BMSKP is intalled.
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Guys ,
the production date is Dec.06 and i purchased the bike April 5 07.
I do have the old ecu in my bike and the 9.1 update on it.
It works fine.Also have the TPM.
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Guys ,
the production date is Dec.06 and i purchased the bike April 5 07.
I do have the old ecu in my bike and the 9.1 update on it.
It works fine.Also have the TPM.
hans

Well lessee - my production date is 12/06, purchased on April 7 07. I've got old ecu, 9.1 update, new airbox, runs OK except when it has the high idle, tho sometimes just runs shitty at low RPMs. Do not, repeat, do not have the TPM.

Now don't everybody run out and buy the TPM and take out their new airboxes, I don't mean to imply that will fix high idle, but what do I know?

Hans, have you checked for seaweed?
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seaweeds?I try to keep my GT off drugs!!!hans
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Re: 2007 K1200GT idles at 3,000 after 9.1 install and no new airbox

OK, It is time to throw my hat into the ring!
I have a 2006 K1200GT delivered in May 2006.
It had the low rpm jerky issues that were resolved with the software upgrade (7.1) This bike has 13,561 miles on it now.
I notice on the Blue Ridge Parkway that the hole in the RPMS at 3K has become dramatic. It feels as if the engine is starved for gas and requires me to keep the rpm's up to 4K at all times. I did not expect any further developments at this point.....
Life was good until I took the long ride home from BMW RA rally in North Carolina. I was headed north on I-81.
While the cruise was set to 70mph, air temp is 68F, I have been running for about 2 hours and suddenly the cruise drops, the speedo goes to 0 and the ABS / Brake Failure light goes off blinking 4x a second, with the exclamation point icon staying permanently lit. I pull off the highway but..... when I roll off the throttle, the bike keeps going as if the cruise is set! It falls off after about 2 full seconds to a 2200 rpm idle. I now have limited front and no back brake. What a wake-up call!
As I glide through the stop sign and lean right with some down shifts I make it into a gas station and scratch my head? ????WTF Mate ? What just happened? I read the manual - it says, I can run with limited brakes as long as I am careful - I have no choice, so off I go into the wild blue yonder , headed for PA. As I head out I feel a vibration on deceleration, like you would think a wheel was bent or warped. No.... maybe the engine mount has come loose? Maybe the differential has a bad bearing, I have no idea. But, since I am out in the boonies, with no cell phone towers, and it is 6:30 am Sunday Morning , I take the "go it slow" on the way home option , with lots of prayers.
Needless to say, I made it home, with the engine high idle off the parkway problem still happening and standing on the brakes to stop. The vibration on deceleration has increased in the low gears and is really scary. So I load the K12GT onto my trailer and off we go on Monday morning to my friendly dealer. I leave him with a list of difficulties and I repeat to myself what he has told me in the past.

"Our job as a dealership is to maintain your bike and keep it running perfectly. Your job as the customer to go out and ride it". Period.

I left the bike at Hermys in Port Clinton , PA and fully expect Herm to do whatever it takes to make it right. The last thing I saw was Herm putting on his helmet and taking my GT for a test ride. I fully expect this man to get to the bottom of this issue. He has integrity and wants to take care of his customers. Be it air boxes, new ECU's or even a hefty trade in allowance on another bike if he can't fix it!
I will post as the story unfolds.
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Re: 2007 K1200GT idles at 3,000 after 9.1 install and no new airbox

1. i appreciate your hat being in the arena

2. your story sound very very scary and plausible to me

3. how much do you want to bet that your dealer won't be able to duplicate the problems you had? that's just the way it is

4. my problems were different..... but only slightly LESS scary and my dealer took my bike out 5 times and thinks it's normal.... and he's reputable as well

5. bmw has screwed up this bike BIG TIME and there is seemingly NO END IN SIGHT to the problems it has

6. just when most folks thought that MY bike was the "worst one yet".... your's comes along and blows my issues OUT OF THE WATER


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Maybe I will just trade over to a R1200R with a Hannigan Fairing. I still owe 46 months of payments to BMW Financial anyway.
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Maybe I will just trade over to a R1200R with a Hannigan Fairing. I still owe 46 months of payments to BMW Financial anyway.


here's what i'm going to do:
my dealer has already had my bike for 2.5 weeks...
there is NO SOLUTION "in sight" to my bike's issues

i am going to present them with my coupon book for payment...
i'm going to demand that they pay my june payment for the bike since they have had it for the month

it's ONLY fair

i'll let you know how that goes
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here's what i'm going to do:
my dealer has already had my bike for 2.5 weeks...
there is NO SOLUTION "in sight" to my bike's issues

i am going to present them with my coupon book for payment...
i'm going to demand that they pay my june payment for the bike since they have had it for the month

it's ONLY fair

i'll let you know how that goes

What about a new '07 built in '07 (BMSKP ECU) by way of the lemon law? How many times have they tried to fix it? 2.5 weeks???
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What about a new '07 built in '07 (BMSKP ECU) by way of the lemon law? How many times have they tried to fix it? 2.5 weeks???


lemon laws do NOT apply to motorcycles.....
at least in florida

so......
not an option, unfortunately
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OK, It is time to throw my hat into the ring!
I have a 2006 K1200GT delivered in May 2006.
It had the low rpm jerky issues that were resolved with the software upgrade (7.1) This bike has 13,561 miles on it now.
I notice on the Blue Ridge Parkway that the hole in the RPMS at 3K has become dramatic. It feels as if the engine is starved for gas and requires me to keep the rpm's up to 4K at all times. I did not expect any further developments at this point.....
Life was good until I took the long ride home from BMW RA rally in North Carolina. I was headed north on I-81.
While the cruise was set to 70mph, air temp is 68F, I have been running for about 2 hours and suddenly the cruise drops, the speedo goes to 0 and the ABS / Brake Failure light goes off blinking 4x a second, with the exclamation point icon staying permanently lit. I pull off the highway but..... when I roll off the throttle, the bike keeps going as if the cruise is set! It falls off after about 2 full seconds to a 2200 rpm idle. I now have limited front and no back brake. What a wake-up call!
As I glide through the stop sign and lean right with some down shifts I make it into a gas station and scratch my head? ????WTF Mate ? What just happened? I read the manual - it says, I can run with limited brakes as long as I am careful - I have no choice, so off I go into the wild blue yonder , headed for PA. As I head out I feel a vibration on deceleration, like you would think a wheel was bent or warped. No.... maybe the engine mount has come loose? Maybe the differential has a bad bearing, I have no idea. But, since I am out in the boonies, with no cell phone towers, and it is 6:30 am Sunday Morning , I take the "go it slow" on the way home option , with lots of prayers.
Needless to say, I made it home, with the engine high idle off the parkway problem still happening and standing on the brakes to stop. The vibration on deceleration has increased in the low gears and is really scary. So I load the K12GT onto my trailer and off we go on Monday morning to my friendly dealer. I leave him with a list of difficulties and I repeat to myself what he has told me in the past.

"Our job as a dealership is to maintain your bike and keep it running perfectly. Your job as the customer to go out and ride it". Period.

I left the bike at Hermys in Port Clinton , PA and fully expect Herm to do whatever it takes to make it right. The last thing I saw was Herm putting on his helmet and taking my GT for a test ride. I fully expect this man to get to the bottom of this issue. He has integrity and wants to take care of his customers. Be it air boxes, new ECU's or even a hefty trade in allowance on another bike if he can't fix it!
I will post as the story unfolds.
Thank you everyone for this forum.. It is providing a great service.
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OK, Dealer calls me and said the a rear disc spline is loose and that BMW will replace the entire rear drive and brake. Once this is replaced her can then evaluate the software issue / airbox / ecu / problem. Standby for further developments - Per
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My bike is in the shop as I type this. New airbox and software upgrade. They ran a full diagnostic on the bike and found nothing else. I will see how it behaves this afternoon. Hopefully it runs well so I can get some riding in this weekend.
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Darkarcher,

Just wanted to let you know that some of us (for sure, me) have been following along on the progress made in fixing your GT.

It would be counter-productive at this point to throw a bunch of theories out there on the "new" ecu or the old one or any other possible diagnosis of your bike's problems that may or may not be related to the rear disc failing.

It's reasurring to see that your dealer got on the case right away and is working on making the bike perform correctly.

It was also impressive reading how you "nursed" your GT back to your home, loaded it on a trailer and got it back to the dealer w/o incident. A great bit of riding!

Looking forward to how the bike performs after it's back in your hands!

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OK, Dealer calls me and said the a rear disc spline is loose and that BMW will replace the entire rear drive and brake. Once this is replaced her can then evaluate the software issue / airbox / ecu / problem. Standby for further developments - Per

what?
that's the first time i've heard of THAT exact issue

is there no end in site to the KGT problems?
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What about a new '07 built in '07 (BMSKP ECU) by way of the lemon law? How many times have they tried to fix it? 2.5 weeks???

just 2
because there are no new parts
now i will get the NEW ECU
but.....
the "ENABLING DISC" has yet to arrive
shipped from germany (supposedly) 2 days ago.... and won't be here for 2 more days
they couldn't ship it OVERNIGHT.... after all that i've been through with this bike?

actually.....
i would have paid the $100.00 to have it shipped overnight
i was supposed to leave on a 4-day almost 2,000 mile trip.... TOMORROW at 0400

i'm not happy about this...... at all
but..... quite honestly... i've GIVEN UP
i just can't fight anymore
i'm busy at work, etc.....

5 previous BMW bikes...
and, 5 BMW cars.....
and this is STILL how they treat me

it's so embarrassing and insulting
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My bike is in the shop as I type this. New airbox and software upgrade. They ran a full diagnostic on the bike and found nothing else. I will see how it behaves this afternoon. Hopefully it runs well so I can get some riding in this weekend.

good luck
can't wait to hear what happens
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besides feeling super bad for Greg.... and everyone else....this thread gets more depressing every day . I am getting to where I don't want to ride my NEW bike....for fear it will start to run bad. It did the fast idle thingee 2x..not again..some 800 miles and counting.

If needed ... My dealer is 5hrs away by pick up. It will be a major deal if they can not fix in one saturday. I just knew I should have kept my 99GS. If nothing else it was reliable.
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At 2,000 miles, the only problem I have with mine is the hesitation/flat spot at 3K to 4K RPM. I'm working with my dealer on the ASC upgrade (BMS-KP ECU) to take care of that, but that's in the future. Otherwise, I'm continuing to ride and enjoy the bike whenever I can.

Greg, what's your dealer telling you insofar as a plan of attack to get your bike straightened out? Has BMWNA been on site working on the problems as well? I hope it's not just sitting in the corner gathering dust with nothing being done to correct the problems.

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Darkarcher,

Just wanted to let you know that some of us (for sure, me) have been following along on the progress made in fixing your GT.

It would be counter-productive at this point to throw a bunch of theories out there on the "new" ecu or the old one or any other possible diagnosis of your bike's problems that may or may not be related to the rear disc failing.

It's reasurring to see that your dealer got on the case right away and is working on making the bike perform correctly.

It was also impressive reading how you "nursed" your GT back to your home, loaded it on a trailer and got it back to the dealer w/o incident. A great bit of riding!

Looking forward to how the bike performs after it's back in your hands!

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Thanks for the support. Hermy said he will have it ready Friday June 15th. I will report the results as they roll in. -Per
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the Ecu is processing hundreds if not thousands of times
a minute
sometimes minute .....mundane bits/bytes

that it does read the rear disc
in effect for the ABS...... & god knows what else
its concievable it may have some effect........remotely

many processes work in concert with others
some times directly in a handshake
sometimes a result of

apparently they are looking
apparently they saw something that needs fixing
that it might be the solution to your overall dilemma
remains to be seen

clearing error codes & making sure nothing is
contributing no matter how remote is a good thing
starting with the head shot its the ECU
without proper basis may lead one far astray

i hope they fix your bike soon

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At 2,000 miles, the only problem I have with mine is the hesitation/flat spot at 3K to 4K RPM. I'm working with my dealer on the ASC upgrade (BMS-KP ECU) to take care of that, but that's in the future. Otherwise, I'm continuing to ride and enjoy the bike whenever I can.

Greg, what's your dealer telling you insofar as a plan of attack to get your bike straightened out? Has BMWNA been on site working on the problems as well? I hope it's not just sitting in the corner gathering dust with nothing being done to correct the problems.

Rusty

1. that "hesitation/flat spot at 3K to 4K RPM" was EXACTLY what prompted me to allow them to install the 9.1 software update into my OLD ECU... that started this whole problem

2. the jury is out on what exactly will be happening to my bike... saturday will be 3 weeks that they have my bike there...

3. something is on its way from germany... enabling disc for NEW ECU.... already at dealership/worthless without enabling disc

4. i've had them take out my NEW AIRBOX... and TAPE IT UP.... just in case. you might be aware that NO ONE at ANY dealership believes the NEW airboxes are ANY different than the old ones.... seriously

5. my emotions about this issues have run the full spectrum from panic to anger to helplessness.... and now i'm settled on SADNESS. it's just a bike... but, my 1,800 mile trip scheduled to leave in 11 1/2 hours has been canceled. as a pediatrician, i cannot take much time off in the summer.... too many check-ups/partners will kill me, etc.

what's weird is that i've ALWAYS trusted the bike i ride
now.... even if the bike gets a NEW ECU and the NEW airbox gets TAPED up....
how many miles... in the surrounding area of the dealership will i have to ride to get comfortable enough to wander "down the road?"

it isn't as if i can just take some tools and fix the bike IF the problem returns... we all know that


so....
here i sit
4 days off beginning tomorrow
i'll ride my brutale... 120 miles at a time/between fill-ups
but... i can't carry anything and i won't be "going" anywhere
i WILL, however, be smiling.... the BRUTALE is a great bike
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the Ecu is processing hundreds if not thousands of times
a minute
sometimes minute .....mundane bits/bytes

that it does read the rear disc
in effect for the ABS...... & god knows what else
its concievable it may have some effect........remotely

many processes work in concert with others
some times directly in a handshake
sometimes a result of

apparently they are looking
apparently they saw something that needs fixing
that it might be the solution to your overall dilemma
remains to be seen

clearing error codes & making sure nothing is
contributing no matter how remote is a good thing
starting with the head shot its the ECU
without proper basis may lead one far astray

i hope they fix your bike soon

good luck


thanks for your thoughts and support... i appreciate it

i watched the install of the 9.1 software
i know the guys well and it was the end of a long, long day
it takes a while
they battery had to be charged before it would accept the update
there were NO error codes.... nothing (supposedly) went wrong
i know my bike will be right again
hopefully in the next few days
then....
i'll take a nice long ride
maybe....
i think
i don't know if i'll trust it
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1. that "hesitation/flat spot at 3K to 4K RPM" was EXACTLY what prompted me to allow them to install the 9.1 software update into my OLD ECU... that started this whole problem.
Yep, I've decided that if the ECU upgrade were to fall through, I'm perfectly willing to live with my bike just as it is. Better the devil I know than the devil I don't know.

Enjoy your time off, in spite of everything. Life's too short to do otherwise.

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besides feeling super bad for Greg.... and everyone else....this thread gets more depressing every day . I am getting to where I don't want to ride my NEW bike....for fear it will start to run bad. It did the fast idle thingee 2x..not again..some 800 miles and counting.

If needed ... My dealer is 5hrs away by pick up. It will be a major deal if they can not fix in one saturday. I just knew I should have kept my 99GS. If nothing else it was reliable.
And my 2006 with 7.1 runs very well. If I have a flat spot somehere, I hardly notice it as this machine has so much get up and go.

Most people who bought this bike in 2006 or 2007 love it. Just remember this message thread talks all about the problems that a few bikes are having out of the many thousands on the road. It is a shame that there are problems, but I can tell horror stories about many other mechanical, electrical and especailly computer stuff.....Racegun, go for the bike.....
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Greg,
you won't be able to go to Suches tomorrow,but howabout once you get your bike back,you and I do the 1000mile in 24 hrs. iron butt run.than we know what is going on with your bike.....I'm serious!!!
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Enjoy your time off, in spite of everything. Life's too short to do otherwise.

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amen to that
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And my 2006 with 7.1 runs very well. If I have a flat spot somehere, I hardly notice it as this machine has so much get up and go.

Most people who bought this bike in 2006 or 2007 love it. Just remember this message thread talks all about the problems that a few bikes are having out of the many thousands on the road. It is a shame that there are problems, but I can tell horror stories about many other mechanical, electrical and especailly computer stuff.....Racegun, go for the bike.....


it IS a great bike
and... i fully understand the pitfalls of the internet

however...
between the ECU and AIRBOX issues....
a SIGNIFICANT PERCENTAGE of GTs are affected in THIS case
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you won't be able to go to Suches tomorrow,but howabout once you get your bike back,you and I do the 1000mile in 24 hrs. iron butt run.than we know what is going on with your bike.....I'm serious!!!
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it IS a great bike
and... i fully understand the pitfalls of the internet

however...
between the ECU and AIRBOX issues....
a SIGNIFICANT PERCENTAGE of GTs are affected in THIS case

My dealer told me last week he had 3 GTs in his shop, all with this problem. Seems like a high number all at once.

My dealer called me yesterday and told me all the parts for the ASC retrofit (NEW ECU ) have arrived at his shop, and they will install it next Tuesday.

This is a warning for you guys to clean off your hard disks. The reports will be coming in fast and furious next week.
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My dealer told me last week he had 3 GTs in his shop, all with this problem. Seems like a high number all at once.

My dealer called me yesterday and told me all the parts for the ASC retrofit (NEW ECU ) have arrived at his shop, and they will install it next Tuesday.

This is a warning for you guys to clean off your hard disks. The reports will be coming in fast and furious next week.

even the "ENABLING" disc is in?
mine is still "ON ITS WAY"
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50 mile update (New Airbox and 9.1.3 software)

Got the bike back this evening. It is a 50 mile ride on the interstate including 10 miles in a bit of traffic. I have to say that there is a NIGHT AND DAY difference.


1. It idols at 1000rpms and stays there. When I rev the bike it comes down smoothly with no hesitation.

2. The bike accelerates smoothly and no flat spots

3. Shifting is much smoother and less clunky. In fact it feels like it should.

4. In traffic there was no bucking at very low speeds and engine braking was as it should be.

So far so good but it feels like a totally different machine. I am planning on riding a bit this evening. I will keep you posted. It looks like a winner so far
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50 mile update (New Airbox and 9.1.3 software)

Got the bike back this evening. It is a 50 mile ride on the interstate including 10 miles in a bit of traffic. I have to say that there is a NIGHT AND DAY difference.


1. It idols at 1000rpms and stays there. When I rev the bike it comes down smoothly with no hesitation.

2. The bike accelerates smoothly and no flat spots

3. Shifting is much smoother and less clunky. In fact it feels like it should.

4. In traffic there was no bucking at very low speeds and engine braking was as it should be.

So far so good but it feels like a totally different machine. I am planning on riding a bit this evening. I will keep you posted. It looks like a winner so far

this is most excellent news
good luck
thanks for reporting in
can't wait to hear the update
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A friend here in the uk has his GT in for repair, awaiting parts. High Idle, snatchy throttle. According to him the GT engine problems are being recorded under project puma. Does anyone know of this and what it is? I googled it but didnt get good results.
Also according to a post on K-bikes, BMW are producing a new airbox due for release on June 15th.
I couldnt ask the guy about the puma thing as it was a quick email as he's away on holiday.
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Re: 2007 K1200GT idles at 3,000 after 9.1 install and no new airbox

Puma - didn't realize that was an international thing. This came up when the service manager in my dealership (by the way, located in Fife, Washington - near Seattle) when they were trying to figure out a solution to my high-idle, bucking problems.

In the North American market, at least, its a website with all the dealers who can go on-line and discuss problems and issues affecting BMW motorcycles for which a common approach and solution is sought. A dealer(s) can resort to this website for tough problems (like the ones we have here to seek out solutions and effect repairs). Guess, if its a website, then any dealer can access it since the internet is international in scope - especially dealers in English speaking countries.

Glad, at least one of the bikes listing on this thread is fixed and running better than new, Darkarcher.

What's so amazing to me is that there seems to be two approaches now being used by dealers to fix the high-idle and Bucking problems. On the one hand, the fix on your bike involved downloading 9.1 and a new airbox. On my bike, the fix was to install the new BMS-KP ecu (at a cost to the owner). (the new ecu also sets up the owner if he wants to add asc, though (the old ecu could not be used for asc).

We were up against it at the time a month ago facing a planned trip of more than 3000 miles when the dealer ordered the new ecu. 9.1 was not available at that point.

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Re: 2007 K1200GT idles at 3,000 after 9.1 install and no new airbox

Got hit by some serious rain but the bike is still running great. No bucking, No idle problem, smooth consistant shifts. Put another 30 miles on it before the rain started.
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Got hit by some serious rain but the bike is still running great. No bucking, No idle problem, smooth consistant shifts. Put another 30 miles on it before the rain started.
again...
good news

as i always forget
you have the OLD ECU.... right?

sorry that this is all getting so confusing
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Yes. I have the old ECU, New airbox and 9.1 software. I was also told that airboxes are now on serious backorder. there were two left in germany and they are now spoken for. None whatsoever in the US.
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Yes. I have the old ECU, New airbox and 9.1 software. I was also told that airboxes are now on serious backorder. there were two left in germany and they are now spoken for. None whatsoever in the US.

for the record...
and i advise this to you as well

while i'm waiting for my new ECU..... the new airbox is ALREADY installed
and i made them REMOVE it again.... and retape it

because these new airboxes are not that different...... according to every tech with whom i've spoken... i wouldn't ride without it being taped as well
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Well at this point...I have to wait and see. If it is working ok then I am not going to mess with it. Besides...tape what ????
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More crappy rain this morning. Again...the bike behaves the way it is supposed to. Excited but guarded
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My dealer just received my new airbox, but because the service department is backed up and the BMW tech will be on vacation, mine won't be installed for a month.
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Well at this point...I have to wait and see. If it is working ok then I am not going to mess with it. Besides...tape what ????

tape the lid ON
because, heat warps the lid, causing air to rush in, messing with the oxygen sensor.... and causing the erratic fuel mixture of the GT
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My dealer just received my new airbox, but because the service department is backed up and the BMW tech will be on vacation, mine won't be installed for a month.

a month?
which dealer told you that?

mine?
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even the "ENABLING" disc is in?
mine is still "ON ITS WAY"

The 'enabling' disc got there before the ECU. Had me scared for a while, worried that ECUs were being held in Germany for new bike production.
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