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In-Tank hose replacement, OEM or ?

Along with the O-ring/clutch project I'm considering fuel sys maint. & the submerged hoses/filter in the tank.
Is it absolutely necessary to buy the 2 OEM hoses? ($$$)
Has anyone successfully used off-the-shelf 30R10 hose without the factory bends?

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Re: In-Tank hose replacement, OEM or ?

err, lots of posts I remember on bmwlt . com about the hoses that work and don't work in-tank (same system).
There is a specially rated high-pressure hose you need so it doesn't just split or blow again, but you'd need to search for those posts.
I re-used mine on the LT, and they're still good several years and thousands of k's later.
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Re: In-Tank hose replacement, OEM or ?

Buy the OEM, use fuel injection rated hose clamps and make them tight. Plenty of stories on here about the mystery of stopping cold in the middle of no where.
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Re: In-Tank hose replacement, OEM or ?

I am using the nylon replacements from EME and am very happy with them. Don't have to worry about ethanol poisoning with these.

http://www.euromotoelectrics.com/BMW...fp-hosekit.htm

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I am using the nylon replacements from EME and am very happy with them. Don't have to worry about ethanol poisoning with these.

http://www.euromotoelectrics.com/BMW...fp-hosekit.htm

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Thanks, Used those once on my old RT.
In fact I have a fairly fresh 30R10 hose in the RT tank (parted-out).

My RT did fine with a NAPA #3012 filter, about $12.... but I wonder if the specs/micron are similar.

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Those flexible in tank hoses look great. Solve the problem I was thinking about, kinking of standard straight fuel hose, even the stuff rated for inside the tank.
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Re: In-Tank hose replacement, OEM or ?

Used these about 3 years ago. Bike started up just fine yesterday

http://www.beemerboneyard.com/subhosekit.html
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Re: In-Tank hose replacement, OEM or ?

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Thanks, Used those once on my old RT.
In fact I have a fairly fresh 30R10 hose in the RT tank (parted-out).

My RT did fine with a NAPA #3012 filter, about $12.... but I wonder if the specs/micron are similar.

ALL input is appreciated?

30R10 from autoparts? Expensive but still cheaper than BMW.Works just fine.

Napa 3012?Not aware of that number,should be a 3032? Personally I wouldn't.Burst pressure isn't much over the K1200RS operating fuel pressure.And from what I could see the micron rating is over the BMW OEM by enough microns to be a concern.

OEM filter is built like a little tank.Napa? Good enough for my old 83 Toyota/carburated but not for the bike.

Probably ready for replacement the 3032 in the Toyota.That thing only gets to drink all my older gas.....leftover premix, what's left in the bike at season's end and the bottom of my fuel cans.+All the crap at the bottom of that 34 yrs old tank. Sure plugged up once and then that little goat couldn't climb to 7,500ft.I'll cut the filter open for show & tell and compare to the BMW when I get a chance.
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Good info!
I'll temporarily ease my grip on Ole-George and buy the OEM unit....

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I'll temporarily ease my grip on Ole-George and buy the OEM unit....

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BeemerBoneyard and Euromotoelectrics both sell OEM specs filters.And from last year a better than the earlier offering inlet screen.Better be better.... Newer BMWs don't even have a proper fuel filter,only the screen but it is the same for lets say my RS and for sure a 05 1200GS.

I like having a proper fuel filter and replace it every year.Or twice if under the severe service mileage spec from BMW.
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I like having a proper fuel filter and replace it every year.Or twice if under the severe service mileage spec from BMW.[/quote]

I am guessing that the only thing the filter can catch is parts of the disintegrating fuel pump. All I have ever found in the filter is a slight bit of black slime. Have cut open 3 in the last ten or so years.
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In the process of doing mine now, Picked up the NAPA Gold 3032 filter for $5 and ordered 2 in-tank line kits from EME, this was great info guys !! This forum is one of the best ive been on!
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Napa Gold?No thanks.Burst pressure at 60psi? No thanks.Micron rating?

I'll cut one of them open when I am done with it.

In tank hose? Picked up a foot of submersible hose.Napa sells it but got mine online for a rather good price..Cut a short piece for the filter to pipe connector.Made a big U with the rest.....!
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[quote=pbegin@burton]Napa Gold?No thanks.Burst pressure at 60psi? No thanks.Micron rating?

I'll cut one of them open when I am done with it.

In tank hose? Picked up a foot of submersible hose.Napa sells it but got mine online for a rather good price..Cut a short piece for the filter to pipe connector.Made a big U with the rest..

So you feel comfortable using the Napa hose but not the fuel filter? Napa' s , all 3 of em, around here didn't carry submersible hose.
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I ordered a Mann filter from beemerboneyard as I refuse to get harpooned by BMW for $41 for a fuel filter. Works out good cause now I can disect the Napa and BMW filters and see for myself how much of a better product Mahle makes.
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Napa hose? 30r10 Made by Gates. But I didn't buy it from Napa.

Been in my tank for quite a while? 2 yrs and 70,000 kms.

You are right that they are hard to find "off the shelves" but there is a valid Napa part number for a foot of 30r10.Getting it in may be another story depending on location.

I wonder if Wix could bring in fuel filters as they do for our oil filters? Wix is part of the Mann/Hummel group.Nice oil filters for our Ks them Wix aka Mann.
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Mann makes Wix, it figures, not that there is anything wrong with that. There is a Wix available for the K bikes? All it has to do is fit correct,or should I say match up ? Does anyone carry Mahle fuel filters?
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Mann makes Wix, it figures, not that there is anything wrong with that. There is a Wix available for the K bikes? All it has to do is fit correct,or should I say match up ? Does anyone carry Mahle fuel filters?

Wix for sure.Or I'd say "imported by/for" Wix.Took me a long time to get one in Canada.Back ordered last year for a while.But easy to get now....right down the road at my local post office/garage/parts supplier.He now keeps one in stock for me.

Go to Wixfilter.com? In the parts catalogue.

Mahle or Mann? Identical.
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Like I said before, awesome info on this site, thank you ! One thing though, if BMW was in the ballpark of being reasonable I would have no trouble buying from them. They're a huge company do they really need to price gouge?
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Like I said before, awesome info on this site, thank you ! One thing though, if BMW was in the ballpark of being reasonable I would have no trouble buying from them. They're a huge company do they really need to price gouge?

Gouging? They all do that.Checked on a few OEM parts recently?GM?...Honda?...Triumph? If just to name a few?

But yes they gouge.2 small special BMW bolts and a O-ring? $20 something CAD$. Add shipping to that?The Canadian dealer will ship that for $10-15.00.No thanks I'll pick them up someday.

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Triumph might be the worst, you can only buy Triumph parts from authorized dealers now, No longer at places bikebandit.

On a higher note I already received my new fuel line in. Cannot complain about that it took less than 2 days for them to come in.
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Ignorance was bliss till I read this...
I bought a Mann filter from Beemer boneyard to install in the 2000 Taxi w/o even thinking of the in tank hoses or connections.
Twinsig, your R1150RT install pics featured here were very helpful. http://www.euromotoelectrics.com/BMW...fp-hosekit.htm

It's been 4-1/2 years and 20k miles since I replaced the fuel filter on the 98 Taxi and I know that I didn't replace the in tank lines. Heck I may have even used zip ties to attach the filter!

Having read this I ordered up the fixin's to do both bikes. It should go fast in that my Dad an another bike mechanic with surgeons hands will be helping & keeping me company on April 15th when I do the following on the 2000: (fuel economy low, 31 MPG mixed roads)

1. Replace spark plugs
2. Fuel filter
3. Remove & clean the fuel injectors
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Zipties? But zipties are fuel proof so?
BBY does sell the good EFI clamps.They are 13-15 mm but should be available at most autoparts.

But BBY also sells the small clamps for the vent lines.I think 6mm????Them are very hard to source locally.Two of them at the vent lines on the fuel pump flange?Sure makes the filter replacements much easier.

Had to bend the metal pipe(s) a little for the screw on clamps to clear on reassembly but no big deal.

Flip empty tank over an old rear tire.15 minutes and back together?
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Triumph might be the worst, you can only buy Triumph parts from authorized dealers now, No longer at places bikebandit.

On a higher note I already received my new fuel line in. Cannot complain about that it took less than 2 days for them to come in.

Triumph? Yeah the not so local BMW dealer also sells Triumph,Ducatis and Vespas.+150.00 for a shitty prone to break vacuum petcock on my buddy's Triumph. And listening to the BS at the counter as to why it shouldn't be replaced with a regular petcock? Priceless...much cheaper repair done 2 yrs ago.No more fuel leaks.
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I bought the bike with 17K, decided to have a look at the filter...

Inside the Fuel Filter 2p.jpg



Then decided on a Canisterectomy!

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I reused the original hoses, didn't know any better at the time.
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I bought the bike with 17K, decided to have a look at the filter...

Attachment 28178



Then decided on a Canisterectomy!

Attachment 28179



I reused the original hoses, didn't know any better at the time.
Attachment 28177

Holy crap....ugly filter! I hope you didn't shock the system with cleaners in the meantime?Will dissolve the crap into particles small enough to plug the injectors.

My big error last year....not cleaning the fuel lines.I should have opened the filter right then and inspected the outlet. Not wait until the winter to look at the lines.They didn't exactly pass the Q-tip test.

And my new(ish)injectors weren't passing the test.I did tool up to test them.

Side cutters to open most filters? Less messy.....!
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Wow, I was just thinking of getting some injector cleaner. It's been a three years since I changed out the fuel filter, but only 3000 miles. Should I or shouldn't I have a go at cleaning the injectors now? Maybe leave well enough alone? The bike is running fine, my thought was to keep the injectors in tip top shape.
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Triumph? Yeah the not so local BMW dealer also sells Triumph,Ducatis and Vespas.+150.00 for a shitty prone to break vacuum petcock on my buddy's Triumph. And listening to the BS at the counter as to why it shouldn't be replaced with a regular petcock? Priceless...much cheaper repair done 2 yrs ago.No more fuel leaks.

I hope you didnt remain silent as the crap at the counter was passing, I know I could only listen to so much before I let loose. Had a Service Manager at a Triumph shop tell me not to put a power commander in my Daytona 955 cause Triumphs dont react well to them, Cause he wanted to sell me the Tuneboy map instead.
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I hope you didnt remain silent as the crap at the counter was passing, I know I could only listen to so much before I let loose. Had a Service Manager at a Triumph shop tell me not to put a power commander in my Daytona 955 cause Triumphs dont react well to them, Cause he wanted to sell me the Tuneboy map instead.

Me silent? I was.just listening to my buddy.He didn't remain silent long. His bike and he has been a mechanic for a rather long time.Me? Shook my head...walked away and looked at the new bikes.

Gill electricals (coils) on the Triumph.Just as bad as the old Lucas stuff....!
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Wow, I was just thinking of getting some injector cleaner. It's been a three years since I changed out the fuel filter, but only 3000 miles. Should I or shouldn't I have a go at cleaning the injectors now? Maybe leave well enough alone? The bike is running fine, my thought was to keep the injectors in tip top shape.

Yeah maybe.Don't overdo the cleaner. Maybe I should ride down there with the fuel pressure gauge and injector pulser?Easy quick way to determine if they function properly????

But rather cheap all things considered having them cleaned.$25.00/ea? Then you get a before/after balance test.Kills a lot of engine/frame buzzes if they function to specs.

Back on the road as of today.Holy crap is my old bike ever running good.....!Almost back to factory specs at 199,000 kms.
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Me silent? I was.just listening to my buddy.He didn't remain silent long. His bike and he has been a mechanic for a rather long time.Me? Shook my head...walked away and looked at the new bikes.

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I just replaced(last year) the coils on my Legend TT with Nology coils after having one crap the bed. But the oem coils were or are a problem.
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err, lots of posts I remember on bmwlt . com about the hoses that work and don't work in-tank (same system).
There is a specially rated high-pressure hose you need so it doesn't just split or blow again, but you'd need to search for those posts.
I re-used mine on the LT, and they're still good several years and thousands of k's later.
The EME/Beemerboneyard hoses didn't work for me in the 98 & 2000 KRS. Instead I reused the existing hoses with new hose clamps from NAPA. The dogleg angle needed for the filter inlet hose was the issue. The aftermarket nylon hoses don't bend unless you incorporate the flex section which makes that inlet hose too long. That was a bummer to not be able to use the new hoses or even the clamps which are sized too small for the OEM rubber fuel lines.
My memory on using tie wraps was partially accurate, in that I used them for the low pressure lines linked to the filler neck (overflow & canister lines).
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The EME/Beemerboneyard hoses didn't work for me in the 98 & 2000 KRS. Instead I reused the existing hoses with new hose clamps from NAPA. The dogleg angle needed for the filter inlet hose was the issue. The aftermarket nylon hoses don't bend unless you incorporate the flex section which makes that inlet hose too long. That was a bummer to not be able to use the new hoses or even the clamps which are sized too small for the OEM rubber fuel lines.
My memory on using tie wraps was partially accurate, in that I used them for the low pressure lines linked to the filler neck (overflow & canister lines).

I used those lines on my LT successfully but there is a large loop for the curved hose. Different tank for the K/RS so different space requirements. You don't have much of a choice but to use all the flex section with the straight connected to the pipes inside. We really need a flex line about half the length of the ones provided.
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I used those lines on my LT successfully but there is a large loop for the curved hose. Different tank for the K/RS so different space requirements. You don't have much of a choice but to use all the flex section with the straight connected to the pipes inside. We really need a flex line about half the length of the ones provided.
I wasn't sure about the filter placement with longer loops. There is potentially room in the RS tank (same as LT tank?).

jmtenthusiast's pic here gives a visual on the system.
http://www.i-bmw.com/showpost.php?p=765513&postcount=25

A short straight inlet hose would make things too wide to fit back into the tank.
Longer loops were an unknown to me on the fit and any flexing issues of the filter being on such long lines.

The original lines (both bikes) looked fine to us.
To the thread title question: "In-Tank hose replacement, OEM or ?"
I'd say OEM if you're doing them.
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I wasn't sure about the filter placement with longer loops. There is potentially room in the RS tank (same as LT tank?).

jmtenthusiast's pic here gives a visual on the system.
http://www.i-bmw.com/showpost.php?p=765513&postcount=25

A short straight inlet hose would make things too wide to fit back into the tank.
Longer loops were an unknown to me on the fit and any flexing issues of the filter being on such long lines.

The original lines (both bikes) looked fine to us.
To the thread title question: "In-Tank hose replacement, OEM or ?"
I'd say OEM if you're doing them.


I only used a small portion of the straight piece of one flex line to replace the straight hose and then used the the rest of that hose to replace the curved piece. Only picture I have right now is looking down into the fuel level sensor hole which is on the right rear top side of the LT tank. I have not seen a RS tank up close so positioning of those things and the shape may be different. The filler is top center per MAX BMW fiche rather than front top right as on the LT. As you can see in the pic, that curved hose comes very close to the top of the tank plus, I used this view to position the pump assembly so that the hose was impinging on the sending tube or hitting the side of the tank causing abrasion. I do have to be careful not to put the gas station filler nozzle in pointing backwards as it would hit the lines and possibly damage them. I have also heard of people damaging the sending tube by putting the pump nozzle in that way on an LT. I am pretty happy with them and no longer worry about Ethanol eating at those rubber lines and stranding me.
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I wasn't sure about the filter placement with longer loops. There is potentially room in the RS tank (same as LT tank?).

jmtenthusiast's pic here gives a visual on the system.
http://www.i-bmw.com/showpost.php?p=765513&postcount=25

A short straight inlet hose would make things too wide to fit back into the tank.
Longer loops were an unknown to me on the fit and any flexing issues of the filter being on such long lines.

The original lines (both bikes) looked fine to us.
To the thread title question: "In-Tank hose replacement, OEM or ?"
I'd say OEM if you're doing them.

One foot of 30r10 fuel line.2-3" for the filter outlet to metal pipe.The rest?I made a big U. 70,000 kms ago....!
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I had to make a bigger than stock hose sized U with the flex hose I picked up from EME. I was able to use a length of the same hose, without the flex part that is, to replace the short bent hose. it ended up with a slight bend to it, nothing like the oem hose though. But they do need to make a shorter flex piece for us. So I ended up doing pretty much the same as coolk12 did.
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Original fuel filter is a mahle kl145. you can buy therm on ebay for $15 shipped. just bought a replacement for mine.
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Be very careful with the 4 hose clamps inside the tank on the pressure hoses !! I had one pop off several miles down the road after re-doing the hoses and filter. That's a trailer ride to the shop for the PITA fix instead of the ride you were on.

I had used SS screw type clamps. Big mistake. Chaged them out for the Otiker clamps, problem solved. Amazon has 'em.
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When I rebuilt the tank internals on my GS I used a 5/16" stainless U tube from a brewing supply for the bend. The bend is a stress point in the system. All the hoses are straight now. Be sure to use the FI clamps.
Like this(there are probably cheaper sources):
http://www.beveragefactory.com/draft...l_u_bend.shtml
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I like that SS brewing tube idea! Maybe next time.
I recently replaced my external hoses with off the shelf FI hose and wrapped em with the coiled SS "spring" from a Suzuki cruiser clutch hose to prevent it form collapsing in the bends. It was a little tricky to install but its working well so far, cheap too.
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