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Old 07-11-2008, 12:55 PM
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I am sorry if I don't spend every waking hour on i-BMW. I have a life, Doug. What a jerk. Why don't you go buy a f____ing Harley.

Great idea. Which one should I get...


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Old 07-11-2008, 12:58 PM
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Dang Doug,
And I thought I was having a bad day.

BTW, you already have a head start. And as mentioned prior, Harley gives every owner an EWS bypass code.

Testy... Too much time with the M-I-L. Only a few more days to go then I'll be back to my award winning personality!

Now...where is the closest HD dealer????
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Old 07-11-2008, 07:09 PM
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Are you saying EWS or other?

Ya, that's was it was the EWS. I just assumed everyone would know that was what I was refurring to.
It's fixed now.

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Hi guys

I have had this problem in Bosnia, and was not beautiful!

So I opened the antenna and I noticed that the welds on the connector are poor tin; I have resolder and now the antenna works again.
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Old 07-13-2008, 03:19 AM
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Re: Antenna Ring Immobilizer Issue(s)

What? You actually dared to take that electronic unit apart and work on it? Who do you think you are? R2D2?

Actually I am kinda blown away by the whole thing. Here we all are, fretting over mystical part numbers, recalls, etc., and some guy in Bosnia just says FTW, takes the damn thing apart and fixes it!

Old school biking! Alright! My hat (Shoei) is off to you.

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Old 07-13-2008, 06:31 PM
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Holey shmoley, I'm amazed that someone had the brains to take the blasted thing apart! But I guess if you're stranded out in the middle of nowhere with nothing but a soldering iron you've got nothing to lose... BRILLIANT!!!! Now if I could just tell from that picture what is what inside that black box and where he fixed the solder joints...
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Old 07-13-2008, 07:33 PM
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Re: Antenna Ring Immobilizer Issue(s)

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I am sorry if I don't spend every waking hour on i-BMW. I have a life, Doug. What a jerk. Why don't you go buy a f____ing Harley.

Yeah, what he said

No worries mate, I'm on once a month or so as well
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Yeah, what he said

No worries mate, I'm on once a month or so as well

But he's in freekin Missoula MT. What the hell else is there to do up there but see what we're talkin about...

Actually, he'd better be ridin' cause Missoula is one beautiful place...at least in the summer!
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..Actually, he'd better be ridin' cause Missoula is one beautiful place...at least in the summer!
And if one needs a break, just go ride the antique carrousel. BTDT.
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And if one needs a break, just go ride the antique carrousel.

Damn...Missoula, Sweden. Is there anyplace on this planet that you haven't been?
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Re: Antenna Ring Immobilizer Issue(s)

Howdy gang,

I finally found this...

"EWS stands for Elektronische Wegfahr Sperre which is German for Electronic Immobilizer Lock."

Have fun out there,

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....."EWS stands for Elektronische Wegfahr Sperre which is German for Electronic Immobilizer Lock."...
And it works too, by golly.
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Re: Antenna Ring Immobilizer Issue(s)

I picked up the latest version at the dealers on Saturday and installed it myself as I don't let anyone touch my bikes. Not a bad job if you have the tools and the hour or so
to work. I have an S and it went in no problem and started right up. There is a recall and my feb production 2007 was included. I didn't have any problem with the original and I was going to carry it in case, but since they seem to think this is the answer, I just installed it. I am leaving to go to Mid Ohio for Vintage days next week and don't need any hassles.
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Re: Antenna Ring Immobilizer Issue(s)

Got my ring changed out today for the new "247".

Part of the official recall on the 07 k1200r sport.

Never had any real problems with the old one.

Asked the service manager if i could have the old one as a spare, and he said that bmw wanted every one changed out as part of the recall.

He then said if he changed out one not part of the recall, he would save it for me.
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Old 07-23-2008, 01:57 AM
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Re: Antenna Ring Immobilizer Issue(s)

We're still out traveling after MOA and on our way to Paonia with 2 bikes that need new antenna rings according to the list. Mine gave me an EWS message once yesterday at the gas station and refused to start, but started 5 minutes later on the next try and has started all day today, maybe 15 or 20 more times. I thought when they died, they died.

We have a spare 247 with us, so I'm ready to temp wire it in if we need to.

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Old 07-25-2008, 08:42 PM
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My dad's 1 day old '08 K1200S w/304 miles on it fell victim to this in the middle of our trip. A huge pain in the butt to deal with when the nearest dealer is over 100 miles away.

I don't think there is any kind of time out on this failure. It does seem like there might be some intermittent failures due to bad solder points. Solder points that sometimes work again when the unit cools down only to fail again later when it warms up. I used to repair monitors with similar failures

We tried to start the bike at various intervals (after a couple of hours spent retrieving my dad's pick up truck). Tried again the following morning, no luck.

MAX's made it right but it was already a serious blow to our trip.
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I got EWSed last night. Commuted to work in Manhattan yesterday morning, bike already packed to leave for Pennsylvania after work. Put the key in and EWS!. I was casually aware of the issue from I-BMW but thought my production date wasn't in the danger range. Um, I was wrong. I called BMW Manhattan (where I had purchased the '07 bike in October) and the service advisor said very bluntly that unfortunately my weekend plans were hosed. I called roadside assistance and they called me back to say they had spoken to the tow company and due to rush hour, they estimated 90-120 minutes to get there. My bike was still in my parking garage so relatively safe (I hope). I decided to leave the bike there, take the train home and drive to PA rather than wait for the tow on Friday night. I'll try to get the tow arranged on Monday. I don't know why I wasn't more upset, but the circumstances could have been worse...
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We're still out traveling after MOA and on our way to Paonia with 2 bikes that need new antenna rings according to the list. Mine gave me an EWS message once yesterday at the gas station and refused to start, but started 5 minutes later on the next try and has started all day today, maybe 15 or 20 more times. I thought when they died, they died.

We have a spare 247 with us, so I'm ready to temp wire it in if we need to.

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Eventually two days later I had to put the 247 on a temp basis on as it wouldn't start more than it would. Sure glad we had one.

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Rode home parked bike about 3 min. Went to start and display went blank,and no rotation, turned key off and tried again......07 K12R Sport 8000 or so miles. Attached Battery tender to Batt and still no Joy...Blank display......Could this be an ARI Problem ?


I did Not see a fault word prior to the failure.
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Jerry, sorry for your troubles. The information display light up and reads out with whatever is happening on the antenna failure. You sound like a complete power failure. From this distance all I can suggest is check your battery, leads and ground connection. beech
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Jerry, sorry for your troubles. The information display light up and reads out with whatever is happening on the antenna failure. You sound like a complete power failure. From this distance all I can suggest is check your battery, leads and ground connection. beech

Yeah man, I thought the same thing. Just went out and sure enough display lites and no EWS Fault, selcted start and sure enough BLANK Pulled batt out and will charge over night...Fluke meter is at the J O B. My machine is in the truck bed now, so when I get it started I'll check the charge rate.


Thanks for the reply Beech.....!!!!!!
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Which brings up a question, has anyone had a repeat of that problem after a replacement?
You should have read ths thread earler, and checked your antenna ring to see if it was the latest type with "247" at the end of the part number (as reported here earlier).

I am not aware of any problems with this part. As I understand it, the main problems earlier, were caused by BMW's supplier changing to an un-approved sealing resin, which allowed water entry.
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Bob,

I don't think it is only early ones. My 2005 is not listed for replacement based on Serial number of the bike. I have not had an issue. I think there was some production issue early, but not up through April of 2005. Heck, my dealer could be wrong about the Campains out on my serial number but I asked multiple times and get the same answer. I even had a fault show during a "readout" that they asked me about. I never noticed a issue so they didn't change it. I'm glad because I'm not sure whatever the fix is it doesn't seem to give any confidence. People seem really scared about a non start even after the unit is changed, but I dont have any issues. I hope BMW gets their hands around this issue. The unit is on a number of their bikes.
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I don't think it is only early ones.
Apparently it is all 4 previous versions that have had problems. The final one (whose part number you can read off the side of the plastic housing) is P/N 61357705247, apparently does fix the problem.

My K1200GT that was made in late February of this year still had a previous version (P/N61357717136). Apparently, BMW switched to the final (good) version only a couple of weeks after my bike was made.

In any event, I phoned BMW Canada about it, and the tech guy IMMEDIATLY said to take it into the dealer and have it changed out for the latest version under warrantee. He said it was a lot less expensive for BMW to do this, than to have to pay for a tow if I got stranded in the middle of nowhere! There was no question about it.... he even emailed the dealer as we were talking to notify the dealer I would be coming in.

As I understand it, BMW was pretty upset with the supplier once they found out what was causing all those failures!
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Bob,

That could be why they dont want to change mine. Bikes with serial numbers as old as mine are out of warranty. It would cost them nothing if it fails.
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Bob,

That could be why they dont want to change mine. Bikes with serial numbers as old as mine are out of warranty. It would cost them nothing if it fails.

I am not so sure about this as I know of multiple bikes that were out of warranty (due to mileage, not age) that were replaced due to the campaign. The copy of the campaign that I read mentioned that it was a "replace always" no matter the warranty status IF the serial numbers were in the range.

Mine was just replaced last month at its 18K service even though I had not complained or experienced an error.....they did it automatically. BTW, they called and asked me first if it was OK to change it and strongly recommended the change even though they thought it would have failed by now due to the mileage and the fact that I ride in all weather. I really like their attitude and have been totally satisfied with the treatment on both bikes I have purchased and had serviced by them.

I use Blue Moon, but I also hear great things about BMW of Atlanta. I feel quite fortunate to have two great dealers available.....one close to home, the other closer to work. I haven't used BMW of Atlanta, but did purchase some apparel there before Blue Moon started carrying it.
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Happy New Year Bob, and wonder how many S/R/GT/R12's etc are out there NOT changed. BMW Daytona has a pretty brisk business and talking with service manager he showed me a box full of the old 'rings'. Maybe 30-40.But of those 30-40 not all failed. Bummer. That's a mere drop in the bucket relative to the numbers of bikes sold with the older ring(s). The shame of it is that on a percentage scale only a very few BMW owners frequent these Internet sites and may be unaware, unless dealer was responsible, etc. There should have been an official recall but once again, depends upon where one sits. I can see BMW's view on this as well. Talk about waffling, huh?

BTW, I saw on an earlier post something I believe you mentioned about getting them wet? My two failures, RT and GS Adventure, both bikes never wet as they were early in the cycle of ownership i.e. prior to 600 mile service. BTW, I still ALWAYS carry my spare!
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Is this whole issue of the failing antenna ring an Internet created problem that feeds upon itself or are the numbers so low as to be unimportant/trivial?

I started this poll so long ago that its usefulness as a POLL is that it's worthless. The data of course makes no sense in that those that voted NO now of course could be YES. But, read the poll replies as they are meaningful.
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I started this poll so long ago that its usefulness......
John, I think you've done great with the poll. On the contrary, it shows that the problem really was solved by the introduction of the 247 antenna ring.
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Tim, other than the BMW owners who frequent a website, sadly, so many riders do not, and as such aren't even aware of the problem until it rears its ugly head. I cannot speak for the official word on this but unless you are a 'valued' customer my suspicion is that people are not being contacted by a dealer. And of course, there's the used marketplace.

Reminds me of the first days of the GT, rough idle, sputtering, airbox problems, software problems etc. Querying some of the new customers at a dealership, most just thought 'they just run that way'.

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Re: Antenna Ring Immobilizer Issue(s)

I think some have touched on the possible issues: RFI from surrounding environment(cellphones,etc.); poor/improper soldering; improper moisture protection/barrier material on the circuit board..

Any others I missed??
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Tim, other than the BMW owners who frequent a website, sadly, so many riders do not, and as such aren't even aware of the problem until it rears its ugly head. I cannot speak for the official word on this but unless you are a 'valued' customer my suspicion is that people are not being contacted by a dealer. And of course, there's the used marketplace.

Reminds me of the first days of the GT, rough idle, sputtering, airbox problems, software problems etc. Querying some of the new customers at a dealership, most just thought 'they just run that way'.

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John,

First off, I agree with Tim that the poll and comments have been extremely valuable to our members and many guests....we can't help those that don't visit!

Second, the service bulletin I saw was NOT a recall, so I wouldn't expect BMW NA to contact anyone regarding this issue. They notified the dealers of the problem and expect them to replace them upon failure OR when the bike comes in for service (as I stated, I didn't request mine to be replaced, it popped up on the system when they entered my bikes s/n to verify any campaigns).

From what I understand, it was not a moisture issue, but a vibration issue due to poor workmanship (solder joints) and not using the proper sealant that encases the board (it provides some dampning).

My dealer is under the impression (either from being told or experience....I am not sure which) that the problem will usually rear its ugly head within the first 15K miles or so. I know that there are always exceptions to the norm, but this is their feeling. So, at 18K they felt it wasn't probably necessary, however, since BMW was paying for a new one, why not?
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Hi,

Had my EWS ring changed at the 18,000 mile service after not having any problems with it. Now I am having problems all the time!!! Motorcycle back at dealer being investigated.

Also not on this topic but worth mentioning - I had the later cam chain mod applied at 12K which stopped the noise. Now at 18K it has returned. Dealer says the mod is still working but the noise is still there!

Anyone had the same?

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All,

Just to add to the EWS thread - Actually turned out to be an ignition switch into which there had been an ingress of water causing a faulty intermittent connection. This has been changed and now the problem seems to have gone away

Might help someone still having apparnet EWS problems?

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I had two times the same trouble and had to change two times the Ring Immobilizeer. When you are 200 to 300 kilometers from home and having a ride with friends and your bike stops, just for an electronic issue, it makes you mad.
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In case I missed it in all the posts this link has a complete rundown on the problem and solution from the GS-911 crowd in Zambia

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I have owned my 08 K1200S since January of 2009 and I have had 5 issues with the bike not starting. Four of the occurrences happened at work when I was leaving at the end of my shift. Placed the key in the ignition and pressed the started switch and nothing. Cycled the starter switch from off to on several times and again nothing. I then turned the key in the ignition to the off position and then on and the bike started. I spoke with my dealership and they stated the antenna ring had been replaced before I purchased the bike. They asked me if the "EWS" was illuminated on the dash and I could not remember. Yesterday it happened again in my garage. I had to turn the key in the ignition to off position and then on and the bike started immediately. The only symbol that was illuminated was the battery symbol.
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Yesterday it happened again in my garage. I had to turn the key in the ignition to off position and then on and the bike started immediately. The only symbol that was illuminated was the battery symbol.

Sounds like a fault with either the ignition switch or the starter button/kill switch assy.
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I have owned my 08 K1200S since January of 2009 and I have had 5 issues with the bike not starting. Four of the occurrences happened at work when I was leaving at the end of my shift. Placed the key in the ignition and pressed the started switch and nothing. Cycled the starter switch from off to on several times and again nothing. I then turned the key in the ignition to the off position and then on and the bike started. I spoke with my dealership and they stated the antenna ring had been replaced before I purchased the bike. They asked me if the "EWS" was illuminated on the dash and I could not remember. Yesterday it happened again in my garage. I had to turn the key in the ignition to off position and then on and the bike started immediately. The only symbol that was illuminated was the battery symbol.

You might check the slack in the wiring harnesses leading to the EWS and starter circuits. I had both an EWS failure and an ignition failure. Both were a result of the 2 engine wiring harness (1 running up each side - left = EWS & right = ignition) having had addition zip ties placed on them that effectively removed all slack from the wires when the handle bars were at full turn. The resulting tension resulted in 2 seperate stress failures of the connection wires. Something might be loose in your ignition connection. Just a thought. Good luck.

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I've had no issues (got the 2007 K1200GT in early Aug)
BUT, I took it in for 6k service this morning, and it is part of a recall so it will be replaced regardless. That, and the brake line recall.

I'm having new Bridgestone BT-023 GT put on. Looking forward to that.
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Bought a brand new 2008 K1200GT in April of 2008 and had almost immediate antenna ring problems. On my way to California I stopped in Casa Grande AZ to eat and the bike wouldn't start after that. Only 550 miles on the bike. This was a Friday afternoon at about 3:00 PM. I called BMW Roadside and had the bike towed to the BMW dealer in Chandler AZ. The mechanic there said he had no idea what the problem was at that time. I had to get to California so I rented a car. To make long story short, it took a week and a half to get the bike back and I had to fly back to NM then rent another car and drive back to AZ to pick it up. BMW Roadside didn't compensate me nearly enough for the expenses that I incurred.

I can't believe that there is not an override for this situation to keep you on the road without having the bike totally disabled and out of service. This is totally unacceptable on BMW's part.

No problems as of yet on my new 2010 K1300GT or my 2010 K1300S.
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No problems as of yet on my new 2010 K1300GT or my 2010 K1300S.
That's because this is really old news. BMW solved the antenna ring problem 2 years ago and is a total non-issue now.

The problem was that the supplier that made the antenna ring and its electronics was using an epoxy or silicone sealing material that was not approved by BMW, and over time allowed water entry. It was fixed long ago.
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I thought this old news too, but yesterday this old news disabled my four year old GT. Lucky for me it was in my garage and not miles from home. Went out to take a short ride to a neighboring town. Suited up, strapped on helmet, twist the key, and...nothing happened. The dreaded EWS message appears on the display. It's headed to the dealer in a few days.
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I guess that if I did not have bad luck I would have no luck at all. I have a 2008 K1200GT and I am on my third antenna ring (installed January 2011), which has already failed twice. I had it checked out by a BMW dealer who, as on previous occasions, informed me that unless the antenna failure has embedded a code in the onboard computer BMW will not replace the ring under warranty. The dealer did not find a failure code. So much for the notion that BMW has solved the problem.
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I guess that if I did not have bad luck I would have no luck at all. I have a 2008 K1200GT and I am on my third antenna ring (installed January 2011), which has already failed twice. I had it checked out by a BMW dealer who, as on previous occasions, informed me that unless the antenna failure has embedded a code in the onboard computer BMW will not replace the ring under warranty. The dealer did not find a failure code. So much for the notion that BMW has solved the problem.

That's complete BS!!

BMW replaced large numbers of antenna rings without question, including mine which had never failed, as part of a voluntary recall. This was an ongoing problem some years ago, where BMW kept coming out with modifications and new part numbers. There were some 4 or 5 successive part number changes before they fiinally found the problem (a supplier was using an unauthorized epoxy sealant, making the assembly susceptible to water damage).

The antenna part number (stamped on the side) that finally solved the problem ends in "247". This number is visible when looking under the key area, from the right side.

It sounds to me that your dealer was replacing the antenna ring with old stock that was not the latest version.
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Thank you for the information. Your introduction was off putting in that I am unsure as to whether you are accusing me of offering up BS or whether it is directed at those BMW dealerships with whom I have been dealing.

Some history as to my problem is in order. I purchased my 2008 K1200GT from a dealer in Kelowna, BC. and one week later I encountered the dreaded EWS code whilst travelling in the back country near Lake Louise, AB. My bike was flat-bedded into Calgary, where I lived, and the antenna ring was replaced without question. The second ring failed shortly after and the Calgary dealer would not replace under warranty unless they could find a code confirming failure. Several weeks later I was visiting the BMW dealer in Kelowna when low and behold the EWS failure happened in the parking lot of the dealer. The dealer replaced the antenna ring without question. The replacement ring (third one) has failed twice. Again, the Calgary dealer will not replace under warranty as they can not find an onboard code confirming antenna-ring failure.

The point that I am trying to make is that I am simply stating facts. Again, thank you for the technical information as I shall now follow up with BMW Canada.

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Welcome to the site Paul, please excuse Bob, "RFW" - he is a technical marvel, and dislikes it when dealers provide BS to their customers - be assured that his vitriol was not directed at you.

The antenna ring was a constant headache and it sounds as if your dealer is not being square with you - I would take it up with your dealer again, and if that fails, then with BMW Canada customer service - sometimes relief can be found there when the dealer is acting like a shit.

Let us know how it works out.
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Paul, Mine (pre 247) failed many miles from a dealer and home. I simply got out the spare I carry with me on trips and zip tied it to the bars and moved the wire over to it from the failed unit. Given your experiences, I could recommend the same to you. Carry your spare key too. I still carry a spare even with a 247 ring installed and working for the past 2 years. Good luck to you.

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Thank you for the information concerning "Bob's remark". I just checked again with Blackfoot Motorsports in Calgary, Alberta and Bentley BMW, Kelowna, BC and both said that they are required to check for "no fault codes" before they can replace antennae rings under warranty. I then contacted BMW Canada and again, I got the same story. The only time that dealers did not have to confirm fault codes was the initial antenna-ring recall (BMW Canada's words).

My warranty ran out September of last year and at that time I purchased an extended warranty which may or may not cover the cost and installation of a replacement antenna ring. Bob's informtion concerning the P/N's for the defective/good rings is very useful in that I shall alert the dealer service department as to what P/N is good.

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Dealer records confirm that both of my replacement antenna rings, both of which have failed, are P/N 61357705247. So much for the argument that these antenna rings are trouble free.

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quote " Paul, Mine (pre 247) failed many miles from a dealer and home. I simply got out the spare I carry with me on trips and zip tied it to the bars and moved the wire over to it from the failed unit. Given your experiences, I could recommend the same to you. Carry your spare key too. I still carry a spare even with a 247 ring installed and working for the past 2 years. Good luck to you."

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So I got to wondering, carrying a spare is easy, but how have you located and made the spare wire accessable to swap over to the new unit...if the problem hits?

any photos from anyone?

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quote " Paul, Mine (pre 247) failed many miles from a dealer and home. I simply got out the spare I carry with me on trips and zip tied it to the bars and moved the wire over to it from the failed unit. Given your experiences, I could recommend the same to you. Carry your spare key too. I still carry a spare even with a 247 ring installed and working for the past 2 years. Good luck to you."

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So I got to wondering, carrying a spare is easy, but how have you located and made the spare wire accessable to swap over to the new unit...if the problem hits?

any photos from anyone?

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The bad ring stays in place. there is a small cover over it which has a couple of small screws as I recall. Take those out and the cover and the ring connector is open for removal. Take it off the bad ring and attach the connector to your spare ring which if you are lucky will be able to be tied on right next to the ignition switch. Hold your spare key over the new one tied to the bars and turn the ignition on with the regular key. Should allow starting. Once in a while the field is strong enough to just have the spare ring near the regular key and it will start, but not always. Carry a spare ring. Its one of the two spare BMW specific parts I carry, the other being a fuel pump controller module because the designers mounted mine on top of the gas tank in a recess where water easily fills it up and shorts it out. Later years models were changed.......At one time that ring was a $ 30 part. Don't know what it is now. Cheap insurance for a problem you can't fix without a part. In the case we are working on here I'm gonna say that I think its a wiring issue, not an antenna ring, but I have no idea how to track it down. Again, good luck

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This isnt my bike but my buddies. His 2008 had this problem on one of our rides in July of 2009, just a little over a year of him owning it from new. Craziest thing when it happened, we were just over half way done on the trip and we decided to pull in and get some water. When he went back to start it, he got the EWS message and the bike would not start. Miles away from the nearest BMW dealership and the middle of nowhere, he called Roadside Assistance. They dispatched a flatbed tow truck, the operator showed up over an hour later because he got lost, and the icing on the preverbal cake on what would have been another epic ride, he rode all the way back to Edmonton with the operator while I finished off the ride by myself.

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I laughed so hard on his misfortunes, took a few pictures of his K12S getting loading on the flatbed, exchanged some trash talk about high priced BMWs and how stuff like this happens and why BMW offers 3 year roadside assistance, when my Yamaha, a third the cost, was going to let me complete the experience of this ride we started.

He did find out a eventually that his ring antenna was bad and there was a recall on it. It just sucked that this happened on Friday, he arrived back in Edmonton with the bike just as the dealership was closing their doors for the day, no BMW mechanics work on weekends, so his bike could not be looked at till Monday, and no bike to ride the whole weekend.

Now, fast forward to today, my K13S is at the dealership waiting to be uncrated and PDid, and I am hoping the last laugh wont be on me. I think I might have jinxed myself.
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...he arrived back in Edmonton with the bike just as the dealership was closing their doors for the day, no BMW mechanics work on weekends, so his bike could not be looked at till Monday, and no bike to ride the whole weekend.....
That's the problem with dealers. How can they NOT know about issues like this? All they had to do give him a new ring that could be zip tied to the switch and have him come back on Monday for an install.

Or he could have searched the k1200/1300S forum and corrected this before it became a problem. If he doesn't have the new airbox and cam chain guard, now's the time.
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