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Old 04-30-2011, 08:09 AM
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Re: Self canceling turn signals..So how DO they work?

They cancel after 200m... that's why at a (long) red light they keep blinking.

So, no good answer in the poll's questions...
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Re: Self canceling turn signals..So how DO they work?

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They cancel after 200m... that's why at a (long) red light they keep blinking.

So, no good answer in the poll's questions...
There is 'now' - see the last value in poll above....
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Re: Self canceling turn signals..So how DO they work?

Well my answer was actually for the GS. Now that I have the K1300S (music, singing, drum rolls, big symphonic concert, etc....) I just got another explanation from the dealer. The blink 15 times while moving and when stopped the counting is on hold then resumes when moving again up to 15.
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Re: Self canceling turn signals..So how DO they work?

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Well my answer was actually for the GS. Now that I have the K1300S (music, singing, drum rolls, big symphonic concert, etc....) I just got another explanation from the dealer. The blink 15 times while moving and when stopped the counting is on hold then resumes when moving again up to 15.
Cool - how about for the K12?
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Re: Self canceling turn signals..So how DO they work?

It's time+distance (at least on old Ks).
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Re: Self canceling turn signals..So how DO they work?

I thought it was worked according to the reading of the chemical balance in the air before a turn?
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Re: Self canceling turn signals..So how DO they work?

Just another real expensive doodad to fix when they break. I use arm signals from habit as my 67 R69S did not have any switch or blinkers. The DMV was not going to pass it for safety until I pointed out the section in their books that said it was OK as the bike was made without them.
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I thought it was worked according to the reading of the chemical balance in the air before a turn?

It's also and-gated with the sensors in the seat that detect how much pucker is in your buns just before you turn in.
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It's also and-gated with the sensors in the seat that detect how much pucker is in your buns just before you turn in.

It that were the case, mine would not work at all. I have grip the seat pucker power.
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Mine cancel reliably when I shift into 7th gear
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Re: Self canceling turn signals..So how DO they work?

Why is it that HD can make a flawless, intuitive, works-like-you'd-want-it-to, self-cancelling set of turn signals and BMW's finest can't get a clue even for their flagship K1600 scooter?
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Why is it that HD can make a flawless, intuitive, works-like-you'd-want-it-to, self-cancelling set of turn signals...

I think they copied it from Kawasaki back in the early 80's. Real shame Kawasaki didn't put it into newer bikes. Selectability too.
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Re: Self canceling turn signals..So how DO they work?

They can put a traction control system on the bike that monitors the lean angle a bazillion times a second to adjust it's responsiveness to slip but they can't monitor lean to turn off the turn signal? My K16 has more software on it than the freakin' space shuttle and yet the best they can do is a timer for some stupid long interval that will eventually shut it off after I've ridden another several blocks or half-mile or so?
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Re: Self canceling turn signals..So how DO they work?

I was told that my K 1600 GTL had self cancelling turn signals but I have yet to see them function as such. I can't find anything inthe owner's manual that addresses the issue. Do they actually self cancel?
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Old 02-10-2013, 07:11 PM
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I was told that my K 1600 GTL had self cancelling turn signals but I have yet to see them function as such. I can't find anything inthe owner's manual that addresses the issue. Do they actually self cancel?


If you ride down the road long enough they will eventually time out and cancel. As near as I can tell, it's just an idiot timer. There's no intelligence to it at all that I can discern. That doesn't qualify as a self-canceling feature in my book. I'm not a HD owner but ride one - they work intuitively and flawlessly as self canceling signals. I don't get it.
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Re: Self canceling turn signals..So how DO they work?

You and I see it about the same on the HD vs BMW turn signals Wes. The turn signals on a Harley are about the only thing I've ever found that was better than BMWs designs. I think the manual signals on my 1150GS are far more intutitive than those on the 1600 GTL.
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Old 02-12-2013, 01:56 PM
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You and I see it about the same on the HD vs BMW turn signals Wes. The turn signals on a Harley are about the only thing I've ever found that was better than BMWs designs. I think the manual signals on my 1150GS are far more intutitive than those on the 1600 GTL.

If my use of them on the road is that I have to treat them as manually switched signals, then they are manual. They can call them whatever they want. They work just fine as manual signals but whatever automation BMW thought they were adding is useless. I might understand on any other bike but as I posted earlier, with all the sophisticated lean angle processing going on somewhere deep inside the CANBUS attached processors you'd think they could have done this correctly for free as a matter of choice.
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Re: Self canceling turn signals..So how DO they work?

Ya think? Considering that this machine probably has more processing power than the space shuttle (and certainly more than a Pitts Special) this would be easy. It's the only gripe I have so far...We all know BMW is never wrong but in this case they were a little short on being right!
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Why is it that HD can make a flawless, intuitive, works-like-you'd-want-it-to, self-cancelling set of turn signals and BMW's finest can't get a clue even for their flagship K1600 scooter?

I thought the H-D's were push-on, push-off. I never knew BMW's had 'canceling' signals. My 2004 R1150-rt signals would NEVER go off by themselves. I just added a 'Signal-Minder' and never looked back.
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Re: Self canceling turn signals..So how DO they work?

HDs will push on/off but they are self cancelling too. I had an 06 Superglide and the signals cancelled fine. My R1150 GS has a separate on lever on each side and they a grey cancel lever on the right side.
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Re: Self canceling turn signals..So how DO they work?

My posts on this topic might have smacked a bit of self-righteous indignation or complaint and that's not really how I wanted to come off. I'm perfectly happy with canceling my own signals. I'm more puzzled about their implementation than anything.
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[quote=CG Beemer Rider]You and I see it about the same on the HD vs BMW turn signals Wes. The turn signals on a Harley are about the only thing I've ever found that was better than BMWs designs. I think the manual signals on my 1150GS are far more intutitive than those on the 1600 GTL.[/quot

Oh I don't know about that. My Harley never had the switch clusters replaced once, let alone 5 times, never has stalled anywhere, any time, No hesitation when wacking a wot. Just a few things Harley does better.
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Well...I have had the switch cluster replaced 3 times and the one on there now half works. As far as the way the engine runs, the Beemer has never given a second of problem, the Harleys are ran like crap and had to have primary bearings replaced before 7000 miles. I'll take the beemer any day. Just did 1500 miles in the last couple of days and I could actually walk after a ten hour ride which is far more than I could do on the Harley. They both have good and bad traits but quality is something that Harley lacks although their technology on the turn signals seems to be superior. One point to Harley, 50 to BMW. It is what it is.
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The Checkered Demon (as drawn by S. Clay Wilson) decides when to turn off your turn signal.



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Re: Self canceling turn signals..So how DO they work?

I don't know what all the fuss is about... they work just fine for me.

I figured out that since they cancel after you have travelled 200m, it feels much more sensible at speed... at 65mph, that's only 6.9 seconds... while at 30mph it's a whopping 14.9 seconds (almost a lifetime on a KS!)... that's why most people don't even know they actually self cancel!

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I take every corner at 65mph... that way they work just fine!
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18tillidie....you have the best response thus far! I've ground off two sets of footpegs trying to get it to go around every corner at 65!
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Re: Self canceling turn signals..So how DO they work?

using self cancel bmw turn signals in and about the cities is dangerous if you are expecting them to cancel. You can make your turn and travel several blocks passing many intersections giving on coming and following traffic a wrong intent. I only once used the signals and not do the "self cancel" . I got cut off by an auto making a left turn in front of me. My left turn did not cancel in two hundred feet. Now I always Self Cancel.
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Interesting posts, serious and cientific thread,

My experience in Both K1300R:

Stopped: never cancel (you can try when warming)
In motion until 80Km/h, 200 meters.
More than 80 Km/h 15 times, if you need more distance simply keep pushed the lever, then add 15 times more.

More than 160 Km/h I don't know, the world moves too fast....
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They work by requiring you to make time and distance judgments at every turn. Eventually you will learn exactly when to turn them on so they cancel during the turn.
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Re: Self canceling turn signals..So how DO they work?

I installed a SignalMinder relay that converts it to push-on/push-off like a H-D. I can also time the signals for different turn-off times up to 45 seconds. I then converted the signal cancellation button to operate a relay for the PIAA lights and garage door opener. This also gives me the flashing brake/turn signal and fast flash to start turn signals.

End of problem!!
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.... to operate a relay for the PIAA lights and garage door opener.....



This reminds me a video I've seen time ago.... . Sorry no preview, no HTML code...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3rfaCfImwE
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They work by requiring you to make time and distance judgments at every turn. Eventually you will learn exactly when to turn them on so they cancel during the turn.

Hey, we're all BMW fan boys full of rationalizations for the stupid stuff BMW engineers do and I've done it myself. But let's look at what you're saying. No one should have to think about when to activate their signals for any reason other than the appropriate time to signal my turn. If you're saying they work properly when I activate them well before my turn, what happens in the myriad circumstances when my turn is another 100 yards past two other turns where traffic is watching for what I do? Your point is akin to saying that my broken clock is right twice a day, I just have to look at it at the appropriate time.

If I can't activate my turn signal at the appropriate moment for signaling my turn; and, it doesn't turn off automatically the moment my turn is completed, then it's not a proper self-canceling turn signal. It's a kludge. Other manufacturers can implement this properly so it isn't a mystery - especially on a bike that's monitoring it's lean angle for tractional control about a bizillion times a second. I think there's a few extra cycles of CANBUS CPU to do this calculation and make it work properly.

My apologies for coming off a bit indignant about this - I spent my career developing human interfaces to things that were intuitive and effective. One of the toughest things for a software engineer to see is that the user isn't a software engineer.
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Mike the Bike....That sounds like a good bit of change to the system but it does cover all the issues. Do you have a detailed narrative of all the steps and parts it took to accomplish this? Great job BTW!

PittsDriverWes...Ypour point are valid as well. I knew a Wes Driver a long time ago???
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Mike the Bike....That sounds like a good bit of change to the system but it does cover all the issues. Do you have a detailed narrative of all the steps and parts it took to accomplish this? Great job BTW!

PittsDriverWes...Ypour point are valid as well. I knew a Wes Driver a long time ago???


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Freedom in the sky AND on the road! The Pitts Special is quite a performer.
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Re: Self canceling turn signals..So how DO they work?

What? These K-bikes have turn signals? DAMN! And here I've been using hand-signals all this time!

No, wait! That's on my 1950 Panhead chopper. Sorry guys, I forgot.

That chopper may be the only machine in the world with less effective mirrors than the ones on my K-bike. All it has is a dentist mirror attached to the right handlebar. Very bad-ass.

Now - where were we? Oh yeah. Turn signals. Does it matter? I mean, who's gonna be on your six to even see the damn thing? Make sure you're at least 300 yards in front of everybody, give a single blink, and then do your thing.

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Hey, we're all BMW fan boys full of rationalizations for the stupid stuff BMW engineers do and I've done it myself. But let's look at what you're saying. No one should have to think about when to activate their signals for any reason other than the appropriate time to signal my turn. If you're saying they work properly when I activate them well before my turn, what happens in the myriad circumstances when my turn is another 100 yards past two other turns where traffic is watching for what I do? Your point is akin to saying that my broken clock is right twice a day, I just have to look at it at the appropriate time.

If I can't activate my turn signal at the appropriate moment for signaling my turn; and, it doesn't turn off automatically the moment my turn is completed, then it's not a proper self-canceling turn signal. It's a kludge. Other manufacturers can implement this properly so it isn't a mystery - especially on a bike that's monitoring it's lean angle for tractional control about a bizillion times a second. I think there's a few extra cycles of CANBUS CPU to do this calculation and make it work properly.

My apologies for coming off a bit indignant about this - I spent my career developing human interfaces to things that were intuitive and effective. One of the toughest things for a software engineer to see is that the user isn't a software engineer.
Not indignant at all. I consider the point where they would need to be turned on to cancel at the appropriate time to also be the appropriate time to turn them on. Since there is nothing I can do about it I simply use the feature as another way to improve upon how I ride the bike.
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It's a kludge. Other manufacturers can implement this properly so it isn't a mystery
No they haven't...not bike manufacturers!

You mention that lean angle is measured. Other than the S1000RR, other BMWs do not do this. Measuring lean angle is difficult to achieve.... the S1000RR has to resort to the expense and complexity of Solid State Gyros to detect it, which is ridiculously complex just to turn off your turn signals!
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No they haven't...not bike manufacturers!

You mention that lean angle is measured. Other than the S1000RR, other BMWs do not do this. Measuring lean angle is difficult to achieve.... the S1000RR has to resort to the expense and complexity of Solid State Gyros to detect it, which is ridiculously complex just to turn off your turn signals!

I've used gyros in RC Helios (helicopters) before and they worked very well.. They didn't seem so complex with them to me.. ..but the sensitive on/off remote throttle joystick on the remote.. did.. I crashed and burned with that a few times! lol
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No they haven't...not bike manufacturers!

You mention that lean angle is measured. Other than the S1000RR, other BMWs do not do this. Measuring lean angle is difficult to achieve.... the S1000RR has to resort to the expense and complexity of Solid State Gyros to detect it, which is ridiculously complex just to turn off your turn signals!


I'm gonna say that I the S1000RR isn't the only bike to know the lean angle. There's a guy over on the K1600 forum that's cracked the CANBUS and developed his own digital dash that opens up all the other parameters monitored. He's got charging voltage, water temp, and yes, lean angle displayed and has written the code to latch your greatest lean angle. I just assumed that maybe the traction control was using it and that other BMWs had this as well. ARHS solid state gyros are pretty simple devices - the newer iPhones have them in addition to the accelerometers don't they?
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When the bike reaches 21.1 gigawatts they cancel into the future.

Thats 1.21 Jigawatts... the problem is getting a Mr. Fusion Machine.

And the self cancelling turn signals are like airplanes... They are "Fucking Magic"
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When the bike reaches 21.1 gigawatts they cancel into the future.


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Thats 1.21 Jigawatts... the problem is getting a Mr. Fusion Machine.

And the self cancelling turn signals are like airplanes... They are "Fucking Magic"

that is 200.1 gigawatts or better: gogglewatts to you.. ; )
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For the auto cancel i've only seen it cxl going from low speed after a turn once i hit 3rd gear. but no clue how to explain it so i said "no clue"

on another note:

I'd be interested to know what turn signal selectors are preferred among the group. the paddle ones with the cancel button (like on the 02 KRS) or the standard style they are using now all on the left side.

me +1 for the paddles vs. the standard i always look like i'm trying to pull someone over when using the standard style. and MAJOR +1 to cousi for putting the auto switch install on my cancel button for the piaa lights. that feature is godly!!!
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Having ridden this bike for a couple of years, and being the thoughtful fellow that I am, I prefer to turn signals on my 2002 R 1150 GS which has the paddle on each side with the cancel switch on the underside of the right handgrip/throttle. Just sayin....
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I didn't know I had self cancelling indicators.

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Well i found out today after having the bike for 14 months. I thought i was going crazy as i didnt remember cancelling the indicator and it was off. Im pretty sure his has happened before but just thought i cancelled them myself.
Got home and checked the manual which i have read cover to cover the night i picked up the bike and now im here doing a search.
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Well i found out today after having the bike for 14 months. I thought i was going crazy as i didnt remember cancelling the indicator and it was off. Im pretty sure his has happened before but just thought i cancelled them myself.
Got home and checked the manual which i have read cover to cover the night i picked up the bike and now im here doing a search.
Not sure if i like them but ill see how i go.
Wasnt a big fan of the quick shift when i first test rode the bike but loved it since the day i got it.

That's cool Rob, I though the ABS was kicking in for about a year until a found out my brakes are linked..... I may not have read the manual........

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That's cool Rob, I though the ABS was kicking in for about a year until a found out my brakes are linked....

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And... you have found the answer to the original question!!

The turn lights cancels when you hit the linked brakes!

Self cancelling turn light Is one or the mysteries of the universe... also the oil warning icon on display
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I'd be interested to know what turn signal selectors are preferred among the group. the paddle ones with the cancel button (like on the 02 KRS) or the standard style they are using now all on the left side.

I for one prefer the later. Having both types currently, I always get the turn signal insted of the horn on my KRS. Fortunately I am trading the K for a SR this weekend and that will be a thing of the past. Generally speaking,I think "standardization" is a good thing for safeties sake.

Also, I for one see self-cancelling as a "backup" feature so your not driving down miles of road with your turn signal on. I most always turn them off manually. Although the system in my '81 Kaw 550 LTD worked great. "And-gated" requiring both time AND distance. Better behavior than either BMW or HD. Selectable too.

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The Checkered Demon (as drawn by S. Clay Wilson) decides when to turn off your turn signal.



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To stay mildly on-topic, my RS has an aftermarket module that lets me tune(?) when they cancel. It has worked pretty well so far. If you use your signals in Louisville, its a dead give-a-way that you are a tourist or just moved here, though.
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And all this time I thought it was detecting a change in the Flux Values registered in the Flux Capacitor.
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They works from you use the turn light switch, until the lights goes out

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300 meters or 10 seconds which ever is soonest on my k1300r
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The Nav IV and V have a distance-value settings for the indicators to cancel which is in one of the menus under settings I think......

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210 meters / 10 seconds

Controled by the ZFE, but can be changed to whatever
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And the flash speed can also be increased by coding the ZFE.

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After 21000 views, the real answer to Self Cancel is reach down and push the button. I always do that as 10 sec or 200 - 300 meters puts me in another world in my town area. Likely to get cut off cause your signal is still on.
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