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SPOILER - Assen MotoGP

This weekend at the Cathedral of Speed, with the wonderful clash between Rossi and Marquez in the final corner of 2015, FP1, and FP2 times below the video, hopefully it will be a dry race and another amazing one to watch, and Formula 1 this weekend as well, set those DVR's



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MotoGP Assen – MotoGP FP1 Results
Early red flag as Dovi’s Ducati lubes itself, Dovi and the circuit, Folger and Lorenzo get horizontal in the aftermath.
Friday, June 23, 2017
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1 Danilo Petrucci Octo Pramac Racing Ducati GP17 1:34.680
2 Johann Zarco Monster Yamaha Tech 3 Yamaha YZR-M1 1:34.806
3 Cal Crutchlow LCR Honda Honda RC213V 1:34.822
4 Andrea Dovizioso Ducati Team Ducati GP17 1:34.829
5 Valentino Rossi Movistar Yamaha MotoGP Yamaha YZR-M1 1:34.841
6 Andrea Iannone Team SUZUKI ECSTAR Suzuki GSX-RR 1:34.914
7 Dani Pedrosa Repsol Honda Team Honda RC213V 1:34.936
8 Jonas Folger Monster Yamaha Tech 3 Yamaha YZR-M1 1:35.052
9 Jorge Lorenzo Ducati Team Ducati GP17 1:35.155
10 Karel Abraham Pull&Bear Aspar Team Ducati GP16 1:35.183
11 Jack Miller Team EG 0,0 Marc VDS Honda RC213V 1:35.193
12 Maverick Vinales Movistar Yamaha MotoGP Yamaha YZR-M1 1:35.263
13 Marc Marquez Repsol Honda Team Honda RC213V 1:35.282
14 Scott Redding Octo Pramac Racing Ducati GP16 1:35.381
15 Alvaro Bautista Pull&Bear Aspar Team Ducati GP16 1:35.528
16 Pol Espargaro Red Bull KTM Factory Racing KTM RC16 1:35.562
17 Aleix Espargaro Aprilia Racing Team Gresini Aprilia RS-GP 1:35.722
18 Alex Rins Team SUZUKI ECSTAR Suzuki GSX-RR 1:35.877
19 Sam Lowes Aprilia Racing Team Gresini Aprilia RS-GP 1:35.898
20 Hector Barbera Reale Esponsorama Racing Ducati GP16 1:35.916
21 Tito Rabat Team EG 0,0 Marc VDS Honda RC213V 1:36.404
22 Loris Baz Reale Esponsorama Racing Ducati GP16 1:36.819
23 Bradley Smith Red Bull KTM Factory Racing KTM RC16 1:37.603

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MotoGP Assen – MotoGP FP2 Results
Assen: ‘into each session some rain must fall’.
Friday, June 23, 2017
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1 Maverick Vinales Movistar Yamaha MotoGP Yamaha YZR-M1 1:33.130
2 Jonas Folger Monster Yamaha Tech 3 Yamaha YZR-M1 1:33.497
3 Marc Marquez Repsol Honda Team Honda RC213V 1:33.782
4 Andrea Dovizioso Ducati Team Ducati GP17 1:33.790
5 Cal Crutchlow LCR Honda Honda RC213V 1:33.828
6 Valentino Rossi Movistar Yamaha MotoGP Yamaha YZR-M1 1:33.830
7 Danilo Petrucci Octo Pramac Racing Ducati GP17 1:33.890
8 Johann Zarco Monster Yamaha Tech 3 Yamaha YZR-M1 1:33.986
9 Alvaro Bautista Pull&Bear Aspar Team Ducati GP16 1:34.103
10 Dani Pedrosa Repsol Honda Team Honda RC213V 1:34.148
11 Karel Abraham Pull&Bear Aspar Team Ducati GP16 1:34.299
12 Jack Miller Team EG 0,0 Marc VDS Honda RC213V 1:34.337
13 Aleix Espargaro Aprilia Racing Team Gresini Aprilia RS-GP 1:34.491
14 Jorge Lorenzo Ducati Team Ducati GP17 1:34.523
15 Scott Redding Octo Pramac Racing Ducati GP16 1:34.596
16 Loris Baz Reale Esponsorama Racing Ducati GP16 1:34.605
17 Andrea Iannone Team SUZUKI ECSTAR Suzuki GSX-RR 1:34.617
18 Hector Barbera Reale Esponsorama Racing Ducati GP16 1:34.759
19 Alex Rins Team SUZUKI ECSTAR Suzuki GSX-RR 1:34.923
20 Sam Lowes Aprilia Racing Team Gresini Aprilia RS-GP 1:35.039
21 Tito Rabat Team EG 0,0 Marc VDS Honda RC213V 1:35.185
22 Pol Espargaro Red Bull KTM Factory Racing KTM RC16 1:35.373
23 Bradley Smith Red Bull KTM Factory Racing KTM RC16 1:36.334
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Re: SPOILER - Assen MotoGP

Rossi references Cole Trickle in Days of Thunder in qualifying nonincident.
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Zarco continues to impress and sits on pole in a wet qualifying, MM 2nd, Rossi 4th, and Lorenzo down in 21st, he still doesn't like to ride in the wet (one thing he and I have in common ), and yes Rossi had an up close and personal look of Sam Lowes' bike going boom and doing the immatation of a mosquitoe fogger,

Hoping for a dry race - go old man go,

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MotoGP Assen – MotoGP Qualifying Results
Wet with dry lines: UK riders Redding and Lowes rule Q1 while Zarco spanks ’em all in Q2!
Saturday, June 24, 2017
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1 Johann Zarco Monster Yamaha Tech 3 Yamaha YZR-M1 1:46.141
2 Marc Marquez Repsol Honda Team Honda RC213V 1:46.206
3 Danilo Petrucci Octo Pramac Racing Ducati GP17 1:46.526
4 Valentino Rossi Movistar Yamaha MotoGP Yamaha YZR-M1 1:46.705
5 Scott Redding Octo Pramac Racing Ducati GP16 1:47.574
6 Jonas Folger Monster Yamaha Tech 3 Yamaha YZR-M1 1:47.663
7 Alvaro Bautista Pull&Bear Aspar Team Ducati GP16 1:47.812
8 Cal Crutchlow LCR Honda Honda RC213V 1:48.042
9 Andrea Dovizioso Ducati Team Ducati GP17 1:48.079
10 Sam Lowes Aprilia Racing Team Gresini Aprilia RS-GP 1:48.128
11 Maverick Vinales Movistar Yamaha MotoGP Yamaha YZR-M1 1:48.266
12 Dani Pedrosa Repsol Honda Team Honda RC213V 1:49.623
13 Jack Miller Team EG 0,0 Marc VDS Honda RC213V 1:47.217
14 Loris Baz Reale Esponsorama Racing Ducati GP16 1:47.234
15 Aleix Espargaro Aprilia Racing Team Gresini Aprilia RS-GP 1:47.277
16 Andrea Iannone Team SUZUKI ECSTAR Suzuki GSX-RR 1:47.649
17 Alex Rins Team SUZUKI ECSTAR Suzuki GSX-RR 1:47.804
18 Karel Abraham Pull&Bear Aspar Team Ducati GP16 1:47.947
19 Pol Espargaro Red Bull KTM Factory Racing KTM RC16 1:47.957
20 Hector Barbera Reale Esponsorama Racing Ducati GP16 1:48.080
21 Jorge Lorenzo Ducati Team Ducati GP17 1:48.219
22 Bradley Smith Red Bull KTM Factory Racing KTM RC16 1:48.448
23 Tito Rabat Team EG 0,0 Marc VDS Honda RC213V 1:48.700
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The new chassis is more to Rossi's liking.
Im hoping for a small Yamaha run here.

Dont recall a season recently with so many top riders struggling like this year.
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I'm liking Yamaha, and wouldn't be surprised to see Zarco on the top step... anything can happen, hope it's a dry race
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Well, Yamaha got on the top step. 😊
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WOW!!!!!!
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Moto3 is the most exciting class in racing right now, most of 2017 has been insane. Loving this morning's race!

All three races were amazing. Love Grand Prix racing.
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What a race!

And some people wonder why I much prefer Moto GP o Formula 1.
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What a race!

And some people wonder why I much prefer Moto GP o Formula 1.

Most exciting thing might have been the road rage incident between Vettel and Hamilton.
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Most exciting thing might have been the road rage incident between Vettel and Hamilton.

What a pair of gay boys - if they have a fight it'll be feather dusters at 50 paces.
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OK boys, back on topic, and yes Hamilton is a wanker and Vettel a whiner, and the feather duster comment is probably right on and damn funny (and I'd love to see Alonso in a competitive car,) but we're able to watch once in ever talent on two wheels. Assen race results below, and imagine a race where Lorenzo is a lap down

Check out this article by Julian Ryder describes Rossi as not just once in a lifetime talent, but "once in ever" - amazing stuff. https://www.superbikeplanet.com/ryder-notes-ever/



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MotoGP Assen – MotoGP Race Results
Incredible. Decades of racing, here you may witness the one… they call… the GOAT.
Sunday, June 25, 2017
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1 Valentino Rossi Movistar Yamaha MotoGP Yamaha YZR-M1 41:41.149
2 Danilo Petrucci Octo Pramac Racing Ducati GP17 0.063
3 Marc Marquez Repsol Honda Team Honda RC213V 5.201
4 Cal Crutchlow LCR Honda Honda RC213V 5.243
5 Andrea Dovizioso Ducati Team Ducati GP17 5.327
6 Jack Miller Team EG 0,0 Marc VDS Honda RC213V 23.390
7 Karel Abraham Pull&Bear Aspar Team Ducati GP16 36.982
8 Loris Baz Reale Esponsorama Racing Ducati GP16 37.058
9 Andrea Iannone Team SUZUKI ECSTAR Suzuki GSX-RR 37.166
10 Aleix Espargaro Aprilia Racing Team Gresini Aprilia RS-GP 1:01.929
11 Pol Espargaro Red Bull KTM Factory Racing KTM RC16 1:09.384
12 Tito Rabat Team EG 0,0 Marc VDS Honda RC213V 1:10.121
13 Dani Pedrosa Repsol Honda Team Honda RC213V 1:10.344
14 Johann Zarco Monster Yamaha Tech 3 Yamaha YZR-M1 1:35.655
15 Jorge Lorenzo Ducati Team Ducati GP17 1 LAP
16 Hector Barbera Reale Esponsorama Racing Ducati GP16 1 LAP
17 Alex Rins Team SUZUKI ECSTAR Suzuki GSX-RR 1 LAP
DNF Scott Redding Octo Pramac Racing Ducati GP16 2 LAPS
DNF Alvaro Bautista Pull&Bear Aspar Team Ducati GP16 9 LAPS
DNF Bradley Smith Red Bull KTM Factory Racing KTM RC16 13 LAPS
DNF Maverick Vinales Movistar Yamaha MotoGP Yamaha YZR-M1 15 LAPS
DNF Jonas Folger Monster Yamaha Tech 3 Yamaha YZR-M1 17 LAPS
DNF Sam Lowes Aprilia Racing Team Gresini Aprilia RS-GP 18 LAPS
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Watching Rossi outbrake the other bikes with confidence in the front was a thing of beauty. The whole race was excellent with the exception of Rossi cutting back across Zarco. Clean passing, close racing between professionals. Race for 3rd was impressive.

To be honest, had Lorenzo been on the Yamaha, it might have been one of those races where he takes the lead and checks out. The Yamaha (everyone is suspecting that it is last years chassis) has emerged as the class of the field.

The next race at Sachsenring will be its real test. Honda has always done well there but Rossi and Vinales may just be too strong.
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How about the strength of the satellite teams? With the exception of a few individuals from week to week - anybody's in it...

MotoGP smokes F1, imho
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... the exception of Rossi cutting back across Zarco. ...

I'm not sure if you are suggesting that Rossi did something wrong or not. To me it was a simple racing incident where Rossi took one line through the corner and Zarco a different one.

If you look at the video you will see that Rossi, Petruci and Marquez all take a wide line through that curve, cutting back to the second apex (where he makes contact with Zarco). Zarco took a tighter (and slower at the exit inside line).
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I'm not sure if you are suggesting that Rossi did something wrong or not. To me it was a simple racing incident where Rossi took one line through the corner and Zarco a different one.

If you look at the video you will see that Rossi, Petruci and Marquez all take a wide line through that curve, cutting back to the second apex (where he makes contact with Zarco). Zarco took a tighter (and slower at the exit inside line).

Yes that's a mistake by Zarco IMHO - Rossi had the line and held it.
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Yeah, i dont know. I thought rossi went a little wide and was pulling back onto the racing line.
If that was not the case, and by his post race comments it seems not, then I can see why rossi felt zarco was wrong.
Still, if Zarco was able to hold a tighter faster inside line into the corner, isnt he entitled to his space?
I agree it was a racing incident. Most likely it just surprised Rossi.
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This looks wide to me. And Rossi saw him coming through...
Rough racing to me, but racing incident.













Even saw a small knee nudge, ala MM incident a couple years ago, when they made contact. Totally acceptable IMO if someone is going to contact you, BTW.

Rossi was on a wide line having run wide into the first right hander T3, Zarco also slightly wide but gassed it and tried to pull inside of Rossi before the immediate next right hander T4. Marquez and Petrucci on a third completely different line even though the first overhead looks like they are following Zarco. They probably took the classic line through T3 then T4. Rossi, being wide on T3 was actually in good position for T4. Zarco, pinched himself for T4.
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What was up with Rins hand gesture to Petrucci on the post race lap? Almost like Rins was mad at Petrucci???

He must have had no idea that Petrucci was fighting for the victory. Even after the race ended?
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Even saw a small knee nudge, ala MM incident a couple years ago, when they made contact. Totally acceptable IMO if someone is going to contact you, BTW.
Who "knee nudged" whom? Rossi was the one who ended up with the color worn off the T and the O on the BACK of his leathers. (THE DOCTOR)
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And since F1 has come up in this thread, here's something I certainly didn't expect,

MotoGP » Lewis Hamilton: MotoGP 'just a very cool series' 27 June 2017
"I would really love to get my hands on a MotoGP bike one day!" - Lewis Hamilton.




Triple F1 world champion Lewis Hamilton has again expressed a desire to one day test a MotoGP bike.

In an interview with Monster, the Englishman said: "I love bikes - I don't really drive [cars] too much off-track, I tend to ride my MV Agusta bikes around.

"The sense of freedom you get is amazing when it's just you and the bike.

"But racing one would be a whole different proposition. I'm a big fan of MotoGP; it's just a very cool series. I would really love to get my hands on a MotoGP bike one day!"


Read more at http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/261...yxiOLdPHQPP.99
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Who "knee nudged" whom? Rossi was the one who ended up with the color worn off the T and the O on the BACK of his leathers. (THE DOCTOR)

Rossi cut across the inside line of zarco and got a tire rub for it. Zarco had to check up huge not to crash.
A knee nudge on the overhead from Rossi tells me he knew he was going in for some contact.
Thats all. Not saying its right or wrong. The nudge that is.
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Rossi cut across the inside line of zarco and got a tire rub for it. Zarco had to check up huge not to crash.
A knee nudge on the overhead from Rossi tells me he knew he was going in for some contact.
Thats all. Not saying its right or wrong. The nudge that is.
"Cut across"? Rossi appears to have maintained his (admittedly wide) line through the corner, Zarco never got ahead of Rossi, and Rossi had the higher speed, so it was at least a toss up as to who had the "right" to their line through the corner. The stewards apparently felt there was no foul. As for the knee nudge, yeah, if you anticipate contact is coming there is nothing wrong with providing a little cushion between you and the other bike. In the contact with Marquez, Rossi did not push Marquez away until Marquez' helmet had already made contact with Rossi's leg.
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This "incident" is nothing compared to the stuff Rossi and Marquez were doing to each other a few years ago.
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To be honest, had Lorenzo been on the Yamaha, it might have been one of those races where he takes the lead and checks out. The Yamaha (everyone is suspecting that it is last years chassis) has emerged as the class of the field.

IDK, Dovi is leading the championship points on that bike. It seems like something's going on with JLo other than the bike he's riding. He'll ride at a competitive pace for a bit and then be happy to just cruise mid-pack.
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BRILLIANT race by rookie Jonas Folger
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This "incident" is nothing compared to the stuff Rossi and Marquez were doing to each other a few years ago.

No. Certainly not. Nor was I implying it was.

In fact, last night I watched the last 4 races of 2015 from Phillips island to Valencia.

Amazing...

I think JLo has become more risk averse as he get older. If he and the bike cannot enter the corner with speed and confidence, he doesn't have the ability or is unwilling to change his riding style to stay competitive. Whereas Marquez and Rossi can ride a bike that's not quite there and manage a podium or top 5.
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Strong race for MM.
He is the king of the 'ring.

Yamaha still hasn't gotten it figured out just yet.
Championship is as tight as it can get going into summer break.
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