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Old 04-16-2012, 10:34 AM
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K1200RS Flashing ABS & Warningt Lights

Since I replaced my battery ( purchased one from Batteries Plus) on my 2003 K1200RS I have had instances of the ABS and warning lights flashing, is ther any connection, if not, what could be the issue? I have 23K miles and will be heading in for the 24K service soon.
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Try a reset...ignition on (not running) and turn the hand grip THREE times to full on/off, then turn off key.

If not, then you may have an ABS pump issue.
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Re: K1200RS Flashing ABS & Warningt Lights

Yes there can be a connection, that is according to the BMW service bulletin on that. Dealer should know about that one I hope.

I have to ask....Do you have both ground wires connected to the battery?

And how are those lights flashing? That means something and is in the rider's manual and maybe even on a sticker under the seat.
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Re: K1200RS Flashing ABS & Warningt Lights

Welcome to the site! Hope we can help you solve your problem. You should check your rear brake fluid reservoir, there are reservoirs in an interconnected unit two, low fluid in either will trigger a warning light,



also you posted this in the K1200S forum, you might get more responses if you posted it in the K120RS tech forum, but somewhere here will likely move it to its correct home. Good luck with it.
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Re: K1200RS Flashing ABS & Warningt Lights

Good luck with this. Flashing lights mean a lot. Some simple things some not. Like mine would sometimes flash as the level dropped in the rear as the rear pads were right at the point of replacement. (every 15k). Mine would also flash some when the front lever brake switch was starting to fail and would give a false engagement signal at startup so the system wouldn't set. More information is really needed. Refer to owners manual to begin with.
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Re: K1200RS Flashing ABS & Warningt Lights

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Since I replaced my battery ( purchased one from Batteries Plus) on my 2003 K1200RS I have had instances of the ABS and warning lights flashing, is ther any connection, if not, what could be the issue? I have 23K miles and will be heading in for the 24K service soon.
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Do the lights only flash at start up without moving or after you are moving?
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I just got an 02. I was told that the flashing lights are normal when sitting and running. Once moving they turn off. Is this normal? Thanks...
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I just got an 02. I was told that the flashing lights are normal when sitting and running. Once moving they turn off. Is this normal? Thanks...

Yes.....but only on startup.
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Re: K1200RS Flashing ABS & Warningt Lights

Alternating flashing lights? Check the brake reservoir just behind the coolant tank. It's a dual chamber reservoir, for both the front and the rear. If the fluid level is low in either chamber, fill it up AND check the brake pads for wear.
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Re: K1200RS Flashing ABS & Warningt Lights

Yup. There are 4 reservoirs for brake fluid. The two you see, one on handle bars the other in the back for the rear brake are the control circuits. The wheel circuits are in the ABS unit under the tank. Here are the bleed directions for the two for the 2002 and newer RS bikes.

http://www.beachbus.net/BMW/diy/Blee...l_Circuits.htm
http://www.beachbus.net/BMW/diy/Blee...ol_Circuit.htm

This will tell you where everything is and how to deal with it. Looks complicated but just steady working through it all and your in good shape. You do need the little funnel that threads into the wheel circuit reservoirs or you can get into trouble with low levels. If nothing else it shows you where the wheel circuit reservoirs caps are to check fluid levels.
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I have a great little story of my own, regarding fast flashing ABS (constant).
I bought my K1200RS (2002 model) last autumn, from Germany, everything worked, and the bike had only 36.000 km on the clock. In the winter I serviced it including flushing the complete brake system and put on new Spiegler Steel Braided Brake Lines (wonderful..) everything OK. 2 weeks ago I paid the tax (only 11.000$..... on a 10 year old bike, yes I live in Socialist Denmark) and insurance and went flying low, by the way, what an improvement from my recent old K100.
Well I used the brake system heavily, and after 15 miles the ABS lamp illuminated, (and the brake pressure was some reduced, not funny at all) the next time I used the brake it was OK. I drove home and tested the system whit my GS-911, and the fault said “low pressure front brake, not present now”
Well I checked reservoirs and nothing wrong there. I reset the fault and took it for a new spin, being more careful testing the brakes.. This time I drove 10 miles before the ABS lamp flashed, and I was near home, and this time the fault stayed on, nearly no brake at all, very careful getting home.
My GS-911 on the bike, and a new fault in the system, “front pump defect, present now” and “low pressure rear brake, not present now” I tried to remove the fault codes but it was not possible to remove the present fault.
When I had ignition on, the ABS system made its normal test procedure, and from that it went to rapidflash warning. No ABS pump was running. First time I grabbed the hand or foot brake, the pump started running and kept on as long as there was ignition, even if I had removed the hand or foot from the brake, both pumps worked and I could hear the pumps getting stressed if I braked hard, but the rear more than the front.
I thought some time about the system, I am an auto and aircraft technician, and I have some understanding of hydraulic systems and concluded that it had to be the ABS bleed valve, which was hanging in the open position.
What to do…?
I know you got to have nerves of steel and a bit of luck to dismantle the unit, (and assemble it again..) The nerves of steel is not the problem, but the luck… So Inspite of my technical background.., I took ignition of, and smacked the top lid of the ABS unit whit the hand end of a screwdriver, and…. the fault disappeared. I reset the fault code, and took the bike for a drive. This is 2 weeks since, and I have been driving 800 miles without a problem. Daily I am breaking minimum one time, as an insane, to trig the ABS system, to give it some workout, and no problems, what so ever.
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I know you got to have nerves of steel and a bit of luck to dismantle the unit, (and assemble it again..) The nerves of steel is not the problem, but the luck… So Inspite of my technical background.., I took ignition of, and smacked the top lid of the ABS unit whit the hand end of a screwdriver, and…. the fault disappeared. I reset the fault code, and took the bike for a drive. This is 2 weeks since, and I have been driving 800 miles without a problem. Daily I am breaking minimum one time, as an insane, to trig the ABS system, to give it some workout, and no problems, what so ever.

Welcome to the site Michael and thanks for the input on your, um, "creative solution"!

As one mechanic friend said, "there's a proper size hammer for every job", and an engineer friend referred to wacking something recalcitrant with the "proper sized hammer" as "random modulation".

I suppose the hand end of a screwdriver could be a proper hammer too, if applied correctly, inducing the appropriate "random modulation".

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Re: K1200RS Flashing ABS & Warningt Lights

Michael, if not done already a really good flush of the brake fluid would be good insurance. And as demenstrated, it is not the hammer but the knowledge of how to use it properly.
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Re: K1200RS Flashing ABS & Warningt Lights

Simple things first. BOTH of these happened to me:

General warning light on and flashing ABS - Try replacing the dual filament tail light bulb. If your brake light filament goes out, the other single filament for your tail light will glow brighter to make up the difference, and the general fault light will come on to let you know it's happening. It'll also look like you have a brake light. Best way to make sure is to hold the bulb up and look whether both filaments are intact.

ABS lights flash and servos don't operate - Check to ensure that the rear brake pedal is fully retracting into the rest position by pulling up on the pedal with your toe. If the ABS lights go out, this is likely your problem, and an adjustment of the rest/stop at the brake pedal will fix it. The ABS will not complete self test and activate with the pedal engaged even a bit.
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They all do that and more...they really do.. welcome to the ABS/ Servo assist crap club.
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I have to ask....Do you have both ground wires connected to the battery?


Also make sure the battery is fully charged.
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If you whacked it and it started working its most likely the motors have sticking brushes. I would pull the unit and yank the motors and make sure they are still serviceable and spinning free. Crud builds up in the motor housing and wears on the brushes and commutators. If you ride it without finding the real issue you are a crash away from wishing you did. Wait till you lose you power and grab a handful and then out of the blue the assist decides to kick in NOT GOOD!...Also you may just have a dirty harness connector. "Pull the plug" and check for green shit..But at the very least I would take it to a dealer and have them go through it and make sure all is well. It may cost you a bit but it makes it a little easier to trust the bike again. Nothing worse than ridding with issues in the back of your mind.
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Re: K1200RS Flashing ABS & Warningt Lights

Michael, I was reading a post a while back where something similar happened. Smacked it with a hammer and it worked for a bit then stopped again. Turned out to be a bad solder connection on the circuit board attached to the ABS unit. The dealer was able to fix it, presumably by re-soldering the bad connection. Something to look into if yours quits again.
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I ”feel” that some of you doubt my dispositions on the subject of “Whacking” But this is the mechanical situation on the brake system before the whacking, and if you think I’m a bit touchy, I excuse…J :

New brake pads.
New brake lines.
Overhaul of brake pistons, new rubber.
2 liter DOT 4 used on the system (1 liter just flushing because of ugly brown substance… )
Dismantling of the brake pedal, because it was bend and hanging. Microswitch adjustet.
ABS sensors front and rear, adjusted.
New Battery (gel)
Both pumps where working every time, both the microswitch’es triggered every time.

In 2010 and in 2011 the bike had only been driving 1200 miles (stamp in service book, spring 2010, made me to this conclusion) and many drivers never pus the brake system to the limit, and therefore the abs never kicks in, and when it does, it’s malfunctioning.

I know from experience, that some of the worst you can do to a hydraulic system is… not to use it. Off cause, contaminated oil is also not a winner.

I know that in the new BMW IABS brake systems the bleed valves are a part of the self test, and that its because of the many problems because of the bleed valves in the old system, I believe that some of the old units have been refurbished just whit a new software, to take care of this.

I hope that the guys at http://www.hexcode.co.za/, soon will deliver a new software to the GS-911 tester, whit the ability to test/massage the bleed valves on the K1200RS/GT, they have don this to all the other BMW, IABS systems, the only one missing is the K1200RS, then there would not be any need of whacking….

And I take all advises you have given me, as a gift.

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I ”feel” that some of you doubt my dispositions on the subject of “Whacking” But this is the mechanical situation on the brake system before the whacking, and if you think I’m a bit touchy, I excuse…J :

New brake pads.
New brake lines.
Overhaul of brake pistons, new rubber.
2 liter DOT 4 used on the system (1 liter just flushing because of ugly brown substance… )
Dismantling of the brake pedal, because it was bend and hanging. Microswitch adjustet.
ABS sensors front and rear, adjusted.
New Battery (gel)
Both pumps where working every time, both the microswitch’es triggered every time.

In 2010 and in 2011 the bike had only been driving 1200 miles (stamp in service book, spring 2010, made me to this conclusion) and many drivers never pus the brake system to the limit, and therefore the abs never kicks in, and when it does, it’s malfunctioning.

I know from experience, that some of the worst you can do to a hydraulic system is… not to use it. Off cause, contaminated oil is also not a winner.

I know that in the new BMW IABS brake systems the bleed valves are a part of the self test, and that its because of the many problems because of the bleed valves in the old system, I believe that some of the old units have been refurbished just whit a new software, to take care of this.

I hope that the guys at http://www.hexcode.co.za/, soon will deliver a new software to the GS-911 tester, whit the ability to test/massage the bleed valves on the K1200RS/GT, they have don this to all the other BMW, IABS systems, the only one missing is the K1200RS, then there would not be any need of whacking….

And I take all advises you have given me, as a gift.

Take care out there, nobody else does..… A fractured arm and a wrecked K100 tells me so..
These units are known mechanical nightmares. They are faulty in that respect,not because of software issues. There is a reason they are not used on BMW bikes any longer. When these units are working they are a dream so why would BMW no longer use them? because they fail mechanically (circuit included) and unpredictably. I have never heard of any of these units fixed by way of software upgrades. maybe on the ABS side but not on the assist side, the important one.
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I just got an 02. I was told that the flashing lights are normal when sitting and running. Once moving they turn off. Is this normal? Thanks...

The correct sequence is to turn on the ignition key and see a lot of lights including a quick flash on the ABS light. After a few seconds, most of the lights will go out and the ABS light will settle down to a slow flash. Start the engine and there should be only one light on: ABS flashing slowly. As soon as you drive a few feet, the ABS light should go out and there should be no lights on at all. That's normal behavior. If the ABS light comes on (or never goes out) at any time after this, something is wrong.
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I am not proud to say this! I WAS WRONG, Whacking is NOT the answer, to that god dammed freaking f**king IABS brake modulating deep shit garbage. The fault came back yesterday, that is, in a new disguise.
Now no pumps are working, the GS-911 say’s everything OK, but it isn’t, did I mention that the pumps don’t work.. and I have a flashing 4 Hz abs lamp, I have been around the system checking a multitude of possible errors, including all plug’s, and switches, even the big one on the modulator. I have dismantled the IABS, nothing to lose… and it looks beautiful inside, I have checked the big Diode in the electronic, plugged 12v on the pumps, and they works as a charm, the solenoids are OK, everything looks ok, so I believe it’s the electronic…maybe the eprom??
A new Modulator has been ordered, ouch..
I’m going to tell you the rest of the story, when I have the new Modulator installed.
Buy the way, have you seen this before? From a German site, a very good explanation of the IABS system.
http://www.powerboxer.de/bremsen/32-...-abs-iii-i-abs
http://www.powerboxer.de/bremsen/30-...ilungsdiagramm
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I think a German translation would make those links useful.
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I am not proud to say this! I WAS WRONG, Whacking is NOT the answer, to that god dammed freaking f**king IABS brake modulating deep shit garbage. The fault came back yesterday, that is, in a new disguise.
Now no pumps are working, the GS-911 say’s everything OK, but it isn’t, did I mention that the pumps don’t work.. and I have a flashing 4 Hz abs lamp, I have been around the system checking a multitude of possible errors, including all plug’s, and switches, even the big one on the modulator. I have dismantled the IABS, nothing to lose… and it looks beautiful inside, I have checked the big Diode in the electronic, plugged 12v on the pumps, and they works as a charm, the solenoids are OK, everything looks ok, so I believe it’s the electronic…maybe the eprom??
A new Modulator has been ordered, ouch..
I’m going to tell you the rest of the story, when I have the new Modulator installed.
Buy the way, have you seen this before? From a German site, a very good explanation of the IABS system.
http://www.powerboxer.de/bremsen/32-...-abs-iii-i-abs
http://www.powerboxer.de/bremsen/30-...ilungsdiagramm
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I think a German translation would make those links useful.
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I just had mine done..Best $400.00 I ever spent... You get a 2 year warranty with the installation by BMW if its installed by the dealer.

You have to explain this to me, 400$ what?, how??
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After some to the dates of preparation of the contributions do not pay attention, here a reference: The speech is of the ABS III (first of Jobs and Career Research Institute) of the manufacturer FTE

BMW integral ABS is in the building of motorcycles world-wide the first active brake. The hydraulic pressure working in the brake cylinders is developed thereby not, as used, by the hand and/or foot pressure, but from one hydraulic pump each per wheel circle. The control of the brake is made by the hand and/or pedal of the control circuits.
This construction became necessary to convert around some constructional demands. Duringthe design of a brake the technical designer always goes out with a braking force distribution diagram, he wants thereby an approximately optimal distribution of the braking action (in front/in the back) to achieve.

The integral - ABS is implemented as wet Brake by wire .

With manipulation hand or pedal the hydraulic pump is started and it is developed pressure in the wheel circle. The brake pressure is increased with further manipulation of the control lever, because in the control valve the throttle gap between ball and ball bearing seat is narrowed. By the enlargement of the hydraulic pressure in the wheel circle the brake linings are pressed to the brake disk and the motorcycle is braked. A hydraulic connection between actuation equipment and the brake does not exist, therefore the expression brake booster is very unfortunately selected. By definition a brake booster is a mechanism, which strengthens muscle power. Does not take place exactly however.
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You have to explain this to me, 400$ what?, how??
$400.00 labor...$2,185.00 for the part.
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Hmmmm........

After some to the dates of preparation of the contributions do not pay attention, here a reference: The speech is of the ABS III (first of Jobs and Career Research Institute) of the manufacturer FTE

BMW integral ABS is in the building of motorcycles world-wide the first active brake. The hydraulic pressure working in the brake cylinders is developed thereby not, as used, by the hand and/or foot pressure, but from one hydraulic pump each per wheel circle. The control of the brake is made by the hand and/or pedal of the control circuits.
This construction became necessary to convert around some constructional demands. Duringthe design of a brake the technical designer always goes out with a braking force distribution diagram, he wants thereby an approximately optimal distribution of the braking action (in front/in the back) to achieve.

The integral - ABS is implemented as wet Brake by wire .

With manipulation hand or pedal the hydraulic pump is started and it is developed pressure in the wheel circle. The brake pressure is increased with further manipulation of the control lever, because in the control valve the throttle gap between ball and ball bearing seat is narrowed. By the enlargement of the hydraulic pressure in the wheel circle the brake linings are pressed to the brake disk and the motorcycle is braked. A hydraulic connection between actuation equipment and the brake does not exist, therefore the expression brake booster is very unfortunately selected. By definition a brake booster is a mechanism, which strengthens muscle power. Does not take place exactly however.
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As with all brake fluids, so here is also subject to the brake fluid to normal wear. The brake fluid has a rotational basis in both wheel circuits as well be changed in the control circuits. These works are nothing more but for the hobby screwdriver, it is a workshop for specially trained mechanics work. Important for every change is an absolute air of freedom in control and wheel circuits, there is residual air in the system functions are disrupted. It is imperative and vital that after each brake fluid changing a "vent test" is performed by the maintenance computer. the brake hoses to the wheel circuits in these systems should be replaced supposedly only for the factory fitted hoses. A replacement of rubber hoses through steel braided hoses is not permitted because the elasticity of the tubing in the software (map) into account.'s After rubber hoses are soft in their lives and perhaps even swell, this claim can not be true. A changing tube characteristics are not guaranteed account. After both the GS (with rubber hoses) as Also, the GSA (with braided) have the same brake modulator, the claim itself ad absurdum. understanding I would if the hoses are not in their inner dimensions (very) differ should (length / diameter). It may also not different tire than the authorized to be driven, the slippage of approved tire is in a defined window (eg no Karoo in 11x0GS). have several important things to the user in mind: power-actuated brake-by-wire ("wire" in this case ("wet "hydraulic line) ideal brake force distribution, front / rear to the first braking in the control range Extremely rapid brake application (Schwellzeit!), ultra-short braking distances under almost all conditions of costly maintenance, only equipped workshops (Entlüftungstest!) Only approved tires getting used to brake force dosage at the beginning and at frequent Motorcycle Jump.
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As with all brake fluids, so also the brake fluid are subject to normal wear. The brake fluid has a rotation in two wheel circuits as well as the control to be changed. These works are nothing more, but it is a workshop for specially trained mechanics for the hobby screwdriver work. Wheel, there remaining air in the system that functions are disrupted and an absolute air of freedom in the circuits of control is important for each change. It is absolutely necessary and important that brake fluid change after each "vent test ' maintenance is performed from the computer. the brake hoses for the wheel circuits in these systems should be replaced supposedly only for the factory fitted hoses. Replacement of rubber with steel braided hoses is not allowed because the elasticity of the tubes in the software (show) into account.'s to rubber hoses in their lives and perhaps even sleepers soft are, this statement may not apply to. A changing tube features are not guaranteed account. After the GS (with rubber) as also the Google search appliance (with braided) have the same brake

.....and that is just one iteration of the English translation back to German and then English. The diagrams were nice.
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From a German site, a very good explanation of the IABS system.

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This is a short story: New modulator; bike OK. The new modulator perform more analogue (progressive) than the old, which I felt as more digital, on/of, Me think that’s nice, but maybe not $1930 nice… But still, flying low again, that’s nice...
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Tak for the update. Not only are you flying low again, but you're not worrying about the sudden stop if something gets in the way...
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This is a short story: New modulator; bike OK. The new modulator perform more analogue (progressive) than the old, which I felt as more digital, on/of, Me think that’s nice, but maybe not $1930 nice… But still, flying low again, that’s nice...

Serious change. My bike is a 2004, and given the age of the thing even in great condition, it wouldn't take much to have repairs such as this one exceed the value of the bike.
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That is the worry for all of us with older bikes, but learning to fix things yourself gives you an edge. There seems to be quite a lot of KRS parts available these days from donor bikes where owners have either crashed them or discovered the repair bill at shop rates costs more than the bike.

Some years ago I made a rare trip to my local Stealer. I watched all the techs working on the bikes and it was like I was looking into a hospital operating theatre. The bikes being fixed were just so clean and their rubber gloves did not seem to have any dirt on them. I could never imagine those guys working on a road bike like mine that had done 50K.

So I came away thinking 1) There are a lot of new BMW bikes needing to be fixed (and yes I saw a Modulator going in 1 bike) and 2) They might look at my '97 KRS with some disdain, so I better learn to fix it myself.
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A follow up on the “fairytale” of my iabs adventure, few days after the exchange of the modulator, I had two red flashing ligts..Noooo I thought, that is not funny. Long story short, it was missing fluid in the rear wheel reservoir, no problem. Yesterday I had the same fault, this time it was missing fluid in the front wheel reservoir. So the conclusion must be that even if you use a fair amount of time, in my case around 4 hours, to ensure there is no air in the system, it may take some time to get the modulator topped up. I know for sure that the reservoirs where completely topped up before the first drive. So there you have it, no need to panic, under certain conditions..J, if the red abs lamps flash.

Regarding the comment on the cost of keeping our mighty and wonderful k12rs, Well I live in Socialist Denmark, we have the highest taxes in the world, witch in this case means that my 10 year old bike represent a value of $ 20.000.-, yes, the price from new was $ 44.000, 10 years ago!! Today if you want a new bike say k1600gtl you have to deliver a minimum of $ 61.000.-. I have not yet seen one driving by, in Denmark… Then if you take to account, that every time I make a buck, ¾ is delivered back to the system, so it’s very expensive to be fond of BMW motorcycles. The K12RS is a seldom bike were I live, were the most is, is in the police force, they know what works..
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Regarding the comment on the cost of keeping our mighty and wonderful k12rs, Well I live in Socialist Denmark, we have the highest taxes in the world, witch in this case means that my 10 year old bike represent a value of $ 20.000.-, yes, the price from new was $ 44.000, 10 years ago!! Today if you want a new bike say k1600gtl you have to deliver a minimum of $ 61.000.-. I have not yet seen one driving by, in Denmark… Then if you take to account, that every time I make a buck, ¾ is delivered back to the system, so it’s very expensive to be fond of BMW motorcycles. The K12RS is a seldom bike were I live, were the most is, is in the police force, they know what works..
And to think that some here in the US are jealous of your system

75% in taxes?
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Regarding the comment on the cost of keeping our mighty and wonderful k12rs, Well I live in Socialist Denmark, we have the highest taxes in the world, witch in this case means that my 10 year old bike represent a value of $ 20.000.-, yes, the price from new was $ 44.000, 10 years ago!! Today if you want a new bike say k1600gtl you have to deliver a minimum of $ 61.000.-. I have not yet seen one driving by, in Denmark… Then if you take to account, that every time I make a buck, ¾ is delivered back to the system, so it’s very expensive to be fond of BMW motorcycles. The K12RS is a seldom bike were I live, were the most is, is in the police force, they know what works..
And I thought the cost of bikes (and cars and just about everything) in New Zealand was outrageous. Thanks Michael, you have put everything into some sort of perspective! I do not think I could afford to live in Denmark although I hear it is very beautiful
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.... I do not think I could afford to live in Denmark although I hear it is very beautiful

I was on a military exercise in Denmark playing against their Home Guard. After we had punished them comprehensively we left on commercial air. On a pillar in the airport someone had stuck up a poster (in Danish) "Would the last one out, please turn out the lights."

Their tax system is horrendous, it is a fantastic country - lovely people, and you had better like potatoes.
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"Would the last one out, please turn out the lights."

Hey OfftheGrid, that saying has been kicking around New Zealand since the mid '70s, shortly before I left. I returned 25 years later to truely appreciate what a beautiful country it really is. No regrets leaving for as long as I did though
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You must not believe I don’t love my country, (by the way, thank you for your praise of my country it’s true, every word J) because I do, (well at the moment, we are having the “green winter” you have to be fond of driving in pissing rain half the time, but it’s getting better next week J) It’s just that the country is getting destroyed in Socialism, and a massive influx of Muslims which is driving the tax’s above the roof.

An American diplomat once called the Danes for a Tribe, and that was true 50 years ago, at that time, we were believed to have had an influx of (other Europeans) of perhaps as little as 30.000 in 2.000 years, we must have been some of the most homogenate peoples in the world (the Danes have never been conquered in known history), and therefore also a very trustfully and law abiding society, all that is going down the drain now.

Just today, our police force in joint venture, with our tax authorities, made a raid on fraud cleaning firms in Copenhagen, which are claimed to have swindled taxes for $ 40 mill, 6-8 persons, all Muslims…

But it’s the same all over Europe, and I believe a lot of the problems Europe is facing are because of the Muslim influx. In 10 to 15 years we are going to have minor civil wars in specific areas, and hopefully the EUssr as an organization is dead, I cannot wait.

Perhaps USA is going to save Europe one more time, or perhaps not, you may have run out of money before10 years have gone.
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Hello

I want to share with the list a site that now advertises its repair services on the FAG ABS II unit !

http://modulemaster.com/store/produc...S-Rebuild.html

As a K12RS owner of a bad unit, and tired of the 4 hz flashing lights, I plan on getting it fixed as soon as I understand how to pull the unit from the bike. It is not obvious to me.

Anyone that has done it ?

Anyhow, Another source to get your unit fixed << $2200 !!

Five year warranty too !
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You must not believe I don’t love my country, (by the way, thank you for your praise of my country it’s true, every word J) because I do, (well at the moment, we are having the “green winter” you have to be fond of driving in pissing rain half the time, but it’s getting better next week J) It’s just that the country is getting destroyed in Socialism, ...........

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Since I replaced my battery ( purchased one from Batteries Plus) on my 2003 K1200RS I have had instances of the ABS and warning lights flashing, is ther any connection, if not, what could be the issue? I have 23K miles and will be heading in for the 24K service soon.
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I think Lee is right to point out this is unlikely a coincidence that when you replaced the battery the ABS warning began. The ABS system draws lots of power, and the battery has to suplement the alternator under certain riding conditions, if the power available drops to low you will get the warning light. Make sure the battery is fully charged, and correctly sized.
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Hello

I want to share with the list a site that now advertises its repair services on the FAG ABS II unit !

http://modulemaster.com/store/produc...S-Rebuild.html

As a K12RS owner of a bad unit, and tired of the 4 hz flashing lights, I plan on getting it fixed as soon as I understand how to pull the unit from the bike. It is not obvious to me.

Anyone that has done it ?

Anyhow, Another source to get your unit fixed << $2200 !!

Five year warranty too !

ABS II is probably the only one that MAY be repairable DIY on the workbench. Depends what the fault is and the skill of anybody trying to work on it. Removal requires a complete system flush and re-bleed, but that is not so bad with ABS II.

Plastics off, you take out the battery box, rear fender section and disconnect the brake lines, then the whole lot comes out fairly easily from the left side. If you find the beginning hard, do not attempt to go further into the ABS module. If you break a part you are unlikely to get just that part.
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Well, I finally pulled the abs unit from my k12rs today. I plan on sending to the source I id'ed above.

Pulling the unit requires you to pull the rear wheel and exhaust. Once you get the lines and wires out of the way, the tray with the abs unit comes out from the back. The toughest part was removing a simple clamp on the starboard side of the tray. The rear shock blocks the screw head. You have to pull the tray out (towards the aft) to gain access to the screw head to loosen it.

I will keep the board informed as I make progress.

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Since your bike is disassembled to that extent, are you going to go ahead and do the 24K service while it's apart? Also, it might be convenient to replace the rear shock while you have access, or is am I off base?
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Since your bike is disassembled to that extent, are you going to go ahead and do the 24K service while it's apart? Also, it might be convenient to replace the rear shock while you have access, or is am I off base?

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I doubt it. I will be flushing and bleeding the brake circuits.

My bike only has 4200 miles on it.

I would love to put in a new rear shock, but I need to get my abs ii unit fixed. Been nagging me for over a year!
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Oops, sorry. The OP indicated 23K miles, and I confused his bike with yours. My bad.

Yeah, I'd wait a few miles, too.

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The rear shock is easy to change anyway. You just remove the rear wheel, tie up the swing arm/RD and remove the torsion link.

Stand back looking at the rear shock. The top and bottom bolts just wiggle out on their own and it is off.

Front shock - Hmm a little trickier.

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Um, do remember that it's not enough just to get the shock on, but to get the height preload, and damping settings right, too.
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Re: K1200RS Flashing ABS & Warningt Lights

if you are buying your shocks from a reputable source, they should be asking you your 'ready to ride' weight so they can fit and set the correct spring/preload to suit.
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My unit was repaired by Module Master and is being shipped back to me via USPS priority mail

Module Master was true to their word. It was completed in three days and at the quoted price on their web site. Will report back after installation and check out.
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Unit received well protected and clean. Module Master must have bead- blasted the body of the ABS unit as it looks brand new. They even plugged all the ports (on the top) with the same rubber plugs I used when I shipped the unit to them for repair.

It appears the circuit board module was opened. The tamper-proof screws on the board housing were replaced with normal SHCS. Does not appear the base sheet metal was removed, or they did a perfect job of not scratching the al main body if they did remove it. I sent them an email asking them what they repaired as the sales order docs in the box did not specify the actual repairs. Hopefully they will respond soon with the details.

Except for the ModuleMaster sticker on the side, it looks like a brand new unit! Inside was the 5 year warranty paper work too.

Installed it over the weekend and now in the process of putting everything back together. I have not had a chance to bleed the brakes and try it out yet. I am waiting on new front fork seals as my original ones are leaking.

Vox - your other posting on master cylinder repairs was very handy timing. As I was inspecting them, both had a very small leak inside the rubber diaphram/boot. Pulling it apart showed the brake fluid puddled behind the boot. Two repair kits later, it was fixed.

I did want to share the I found and used a special retaining ring pliers with an extra long nose (75mm) for removing the retaining ring inside the mcs. All my internal pliers would bottom out on the housing before reaching the clip/ring. The new pliers reached the ring without any trouble.

If anyone is interested in knowing more, let me know and I will post information on the pliers.

I will post more info as I progress on the bleeding of the ABS II system. I'm anxious in the results!
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Include all the details such as pliers source etc. It will all be helpful. This is a good thing for all of us as we are facing the rebuild of these ABS units for many bikes. This is very helpful. thanks.
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Yes, I found you need a pair of quite long needle nosed pliers to reach down and grab the circlip on the rear m/c.
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Two excellent sources for tools: McMaster-Carr and Grainger.

DISCLAIMER: I have no connection with McMaster-Carr or Grainger save as a customer.
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