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Video tutorial - Cruise control troubleshooting

After having found many tips about "how to troubleshoot" the cruise control system of the K1200RS, I taught that it would be useful to make a video tutorial to help other owners. It was also the perfect excuse to make a real project while learning about my new video editing software (Sony Vegas).

See this link on YouTube:
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Comments and suggestions are welcome. Let me know what you think of this tutorial format.
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Nicely done. It should be a "sticky" in the Tech Forum.
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Nicely done. It should be a "sticky" in the Tech Forum.
It is.

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Re: Video tutorial - Cruise control troubleshooting

Thank you all for the kind words. I am honoured to be part of the “Sticky posts”.

Although I was convinced that Video was the best medium to convey all the information I had in mind, I am well aware that it is not the best way to keep this info available near your toolbox or your shop manual.

To compensate for this, I have attached a text summary (in PDF format) with this message.
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Outstanding! I bookmarked the youtube page, is there some way to get a hardcopy or is that what Craig is talking about by "sticky"?
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Outstanding! I bookmarked the youtube page, is there some way to get a hardcopy or is that what Craig is talking about by "sticky"?

DJ check here, http://www.i-bmw.com/forumdisplay.php?f=23 you'll see several threads prefaced by "Sticky" - meaning they will remain at the top of the forum and always available.
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Great! I've used the tutorials from iBMW to flush my brake fluid, remove and reinstall the plastic (trivial now but I was sweating it the first time), change the oil and air filter, install several farkles and more. I never new many of them were in one place. Once again, I learn something new.
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Man! I hadn't seen this...

One word... Awesome!

Très bien fait , bravo!
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Re: Video tutorial - Cruise control troubleshooting

Louis,

I have not tested the "Built-in Diagnostic" on your bike yet, but according to what you have described to be yesterday, your problem is a whole-different-ball-game.

I suspect the contact inside your SET switch are shot, worn, of full of debris. In general, most K1200RS owners only need to adjust one of their micro-switch(es) and the problem is solved.

Maybe the ride in river did not help your poor switch :-)
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Louis,

I have not tested the "Built-in Diagnostic" on your bike yet, but according to what you have described to be yesterday, your problem is a whole-different-ball-game.

I suspect the contact inside your SET switch are shot, worn, of full of debris. In general, most K1200RS owners only need to adjust one of their micro-switch(es) and the problem is solved.

Maybe the ride in river did not help your poor switch :-)

Look at the pics bud, the handlebars never went under...

The prob is recent.

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Re: Video tutorial - Cruise control troubleshooting

Thanks so much for your very explicit video. I am gonna do the tests tomorrow.
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Thanks so much for your very explicit video. I am gonna do the tests tomorrow.

Roman,

If you read the whole thread, you can also download a summary of the troubleshooting in PDF format.

Since you are from France, I need to let you know that the PDF summary is also available in French. I made a french version for the summary, but not for the video.

Let me know (here or in a privaye message) if you would like to receive (by email) a french version of the PDF file.
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Sailor, outstanding, many thanks.
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Sailor, outstanding, many thanks.
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Re: Video tutorial - Cruise control troubleshooting

Nice work, sailor... now, if I could just get the cruise control on my K13S to work...
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Nice work, sailor... now, if I could just get the cruise control on my K13S to work...

It wouldn't lock it at 149mph!!!


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Re: Video tutorial - Cruise control troubleshooting

A user here sent me a private message about a problem he is having to make a diagnostic on his cruise-control. To make this thread more complete, I am posting my reply first and his original question at the bottom.

I hope this may also help someone else having a similar problem.
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I did the best I could in a 10 minutes video and a PDF file, but your issue is the classic case that shows there is no perfect recipe to troubleshoot a complex system. I think you did very good in describing what you did until now and help us find what is the "most probable" cause.

Your understanding is correct: if one steps fails, all other steps after will probably also fail.

If you got a correct response in all steps just before the throttle then you can assume (99% certainty) that the tail-light bulb is not defective. This would stop all steps to work correctly.

So let us go to the NEXTt "most probable" cause:
As specified in the video and the PDF, there is one important caveat when using the step-by-step diagnostic:
"The electrical diagram is designed in such a way that the switches in steps 4 and 5 are linked on the same signal wire. If either switch does not close, the diagnostic will determine which one is not working. But if a switch is stuck in the closed (clicked) position you will not be able to determine which switch is causing the problem, as the error will appear in both steps 4 and 5. To resolve this, you should alternate and try throttle first, then clutch first."

SO YOU NEED TO ALTERNATE to pinpoint if it is the Throttle switch or the Clutch switch that it stuck in the "clicked" position. Do the steps in order 1, 2, 3, 5, 4, 6, 7, 8, 9.

If that alternate method still fails at the Throttle switch, the next step is to disconnect the throttle swich connector (located on the fuel rail) and use an OhmMeter to check continuity (engine and ignition are always OFF). If the switch is working correctly, it will show no continuity at rest (or with throttle a bit opened), and will show continuity when the thottle is pushed forward (forced closed). In fact, you should be able to force it to make contact just by using a small screwdriver to push the orange-brown tip - it is spring loaded inside the switch.

I have seen throttle-switch that will appear to work because they "click" and spring back after being pushed, but the inside was defective - only the OhmMetre test can show if it really works. You will probably need small alligator clips to connect your OhmMeter to the small connector pins offered by BMW.

I hope I am being clear enough in my explanation (remember that my main language is french). Please let me know what you find - I am very curious to know :-)

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Hi,

After years of faithful service the cruise control on my '02 RS has gone intermittent. I followed your excellent video and followed the diagnostics, and the yellow cruise indicator light does exactly what the diagnostice says it should, until it hangs up on closing the throttle - I've pulled the plastic and can hear and see the switch on the throttle body move.

The remaining diagnostics - clutch, brakes (front and rear) and spinning the wheel have no response (the light neither goes on or off) so I presume that once there is a fault the remaining diagnostics won't provide any indication?

I can hear the microswitchs in the clutch, and front brake, and rear brake. The taillight has one light on with the key on, and then a brighter light when the brakes are engaged.

I can hear and see the microswitch engage and disengage when I roll the throttle forward and release or roll the throttle back.

Now I haven't put all the plastic back to see if all of my mucking about has had any effect, but presuming that it does not, do you have any other suggestions.

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I hope I am being clear enough in my explanation (remember that my main language is french). Please let me know what you find - I am very curious to know :-)

Sailor
As this could be seen as a handicap...
Your explination as usual is top notch!

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Re: Video tutorial - Cruise control troubleshooting

A user here sent me a private message about a problem he is having to test the throttle-body micro-switch used by the cruise-control.

I hope this may also help someone else having a similar problem.
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One of the the cruise-control micro-switch is located on the throttle-body assembly. If you want to do advanced diagnotic you need to unplug its connector located on the fuel-rail as shown in the attached picture.

Once this is done, you can use an Ohmmeter to check if it is functionning properly. Engine and ignition should be OFF since you are only testing for current continuity. When the throttle is at rest (or slightly opened) the switch should show "NO continuity" - when the throttle is force forward (forced close) and the micro-switch tip is pressed, the current should flow using the OHM function of a multi-meter.

It is also VERY important to note that every time you release the throttle from the "fully closed" full-forward position, the switch clicks and the current stop flowing (no continuity). If this is intermittent, check your throttle cables for free play before you buy a new switch.

If you need to remove this micro-switch to replace it, you should be able to do it without removing the air-box. Instead of removing the air-box, you can remove the TVA (throttle-valve actuator) by removing 3 Torx-head screws (see 2nd attached picture). After the TVA is removed, you should be able to reach the 2 Torx screws on top of of the throttle micro-switch using a "L" shaped torx wrench like you have in the BMW toolkit (under the seat).
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Re: Video tutorial - Cruise control troubleshooting

Initially, another huge thank you to Jean (Sailor) for his knowledge and willingness to assist in my efforts to sort out an intermittent failure on my '02 RS cruise control. As the saying goes, "You don't know what you got 'til its gone........"

A couple of months ago I was fooling with the left hand grip control with the thought of replacing the grips - I took the grip apart, and moved things about, and without realizing it, moved the cruise control Microswitch on the clutch lever, part # 15 in the attached Diagram so that it was not in the proper place to allow the microswitch to operate correctly. MAX BMW Motorcycles - BMW Parts & Technical Diagrams - K1200RS 02-04 (K41).pdf

After hours of checking on the throttle control microswitch, and endlessly adjusting the throttle cables, for no reason that I can ascertain I wiggled the wires coming from the clutch side control unit and then the diagnostic routine, so beautifully demonstrated in Sailor's first post in this thread, allowed the "SET" indicator light to illuminate in step five of the procedure, but step six, the clutch microswitch failed.

After a bit of examination, having removed the plastic cover, part number 3 in the attached diagram, I determined that the clutch microswitch was loose. A little trial and error and I finally tightened the microswitch down with the tiny set screw (part number 16 in the diagram) that holds the microswitch in place, in the proper location, I was able to go through the entire diagnostic routine correctly.

I kept repeating the diagnostic routine process as I reinstalled all the pieces I had removed to perform the repair, and the diagnostic continued to show all systems go.

It was an amazingly frustrating process, but with regular encouragement and pointers from Sailor via PM and e-mail as I worked my way through it, it was rewarding to get it squared away.

And as I noted above, before owning this bike I thought an electronic cruise control was an unneccessary gimic - now I won't own another sport touring bike that does not offer the feature - and candidly that's one reason why I've stayed away from "upgrading" to a K1200S or K1300S.

Anyway, my sincere gratitude to Sailor for his time, effort, and expertise, and kudos to this site for all of the friends I have made here!
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Re: Video tutorial - Cruise control troubleshooting

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After having found many tips about "how to troubleshoot" the cruise control system of the K1200RS, I taught that it would be useful to make a video tutorial to help other owners. It was also the perfect excuse to make a real project while learning about my new video editing software (Sony Vegas).

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Re: Video tutorial - Cruise control troubleshooting

Sailor,
your video was very well thought out and informative. My 1st language is english and I felt like it was local biker talking to me. You did great.

Sorry for the late comments to this thread but I have 2 REAL jobs and am reading this thread not because I had problems with my 2002 K12RS but I am looking for info on setting up my son's 1998 K12RS with factory BMW cruise. This informative video is wonderful. Lots of stuff I did not know. Thanks Sailor for your hard work on this. I cannot wait to see your next one.
There are lots of used BMW cruise parts on ebay and I was hoping there is a how-to somewhere that I can use to help my son set up his bike with BMW factory CC. Any help from anyone would be greatly appreciated
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your video was very well thought out and informative. My 1st language is english and I felt like it was local biker talking to me. You did great.

Sorry for the late comments to this thread but I have 2 REAL jobs and am reading this thread not because I had problems with my 2002 K12RS but I am looking for info on setting up my son's 1998 K12RS with factory BMW cruise. This informative video is wonderful. Lots of stuff I did not know. Thanks Sailor for your hard work on this. I cannot wait to see your next one.
There are lots of used BMW cruise parts on ebay and I was hoping there is a how-to somewhere that I can use to help my son set up his bike with BMW factory CC. Any help from anyone would be greatly appreciated

Thank you for the kind words. More could have been included in the PDF and the video, but the goal was to solve 80% of the most common issues.

To answer your question on the possible RETROFIT of the Cruise-control:
1) BMW never designed it to be easily retrofit - it was a "factory order" option only. I have never done it and I am not sure it is worth the trouble. If you are VERY PATIENT, have lots of time and you are a wizard in electronics, read on....

2) There are many parts or components - some not so obvious:
- a different main-wire harness - that can be worked-around by some home made additional wires - but you still need a special connector leading to the cruise-unit
- a cruise contron-unit and a bracket to hold it
- 2 more cables ; one from the cruise-unit and one from the throttle
- a different multi-switch on the left side with horn and flasher
- a throttle-bodies (4) assembly that is different with a loop for the cruise-cable
- one more micro-switch inside left handle-bar (clutch side).
- ABS Modulator electronics handling the speed signal from the rear wheel ABS-Sensor

Even if you found all the parts on EBAY for a cheap price, THIS IS ONLY THE TIP OF THE ICEBERG. It is not so simple as taking the wires from the left handlebar switch-gear and plugging this to the cruise-control unit under the fairing.

There are many signals in INPUT like: speedometer signal (taken from ABS rear wheel sensor), a 2nd clutch micro-switch (to disable cruise), signal from existing front and rear brake micro-switch (to disable cruise), a micro-switch on the thottle-bodies, a link into the 2nd fuse-box under the seat. BUT THE MAIN PROBLEM WILL BE this item above: "ABS Modulator electronics handling the speed signal from the rear wheel ABS-Sensor". On older models, before the Integral-ABS and before the cruise became an option, the speed signal was taken from a different sensor located on the top of the rear-drive. Starting in 2001 (Europe and Canada) and in 2002 (USA), this sensor on the rear drive does not exists - the signal is taken from the rear ABS wheel sensor and converted to be acceptable to the cruise-control and the speedometer.

I have attached to this post my interpretation of an Electrical-diagram of the Cruise-control components. I designed it with VISIO software using all the info available, including the Clymer manual diagrams, the BMW electrical diagrams (available on a CD). In most cases, I found it easier to understand mine than the above sources, because I have included related components in a single diagram.

WARNING: the only thing missing is the fact that I have not included complete color(s) of the wires when the wires were 2 colors.
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I wish you lived locally so I could pay you to be my mechanic instead of local dealership.

I don't have alot of spare time. 2 jobs and a couple of volunteeer orgs keeps me busy. I value the opinion of experts in the area of expertise so I will just purchase a Kioki or Throttlemeister for his Bday. That will be easy.

Thank you again for your hard work. Again you are a scholar and gentleman. If you are ever in Seattle area let me know. I will buy ya lunch/dinner.
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I ran thru the diagnostic. The "SET" light came on when the key was turned on. But did not go off at any time, even from the release of the set switch. Any thoughts? Cruise control switch itself faulty?
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I ran thru the diagnostic. The "SET" light came on when the key was turned on. But did not go off at any time, even from the release of the set switch. Any thoughts? Cruise control switch itself faulty?

First, I am assuming that you have a K1200RS (2001-2004) or a K1200GT (2003-2005).

In Step 1: the cruise will NOT engage the “Diagnostic mode” when the rear light is defective. In such case, the yellow SET light is always ON, even after you release the SET button. I forgot to mention this info in the current video and PDF file - will add in a future version.

As mentioned in the video and the PDF file, the ABS-unit will monitor and illuminate the brake light element at half power to emulate a taillight until you can replace it. This clever behavior may mislead you to think the bulb is functioning properly.

Also, keep in mind that any modification to the rear-light circuit (ex: custom LED addition or replacement) can trigger a fault where the ABS-unit monitoring circuit "think" that the bulb is defective (not same current draw).

If replacing with a new bulb does not solve your problem, check the voltage (using a multi-meter) at both contact of the rear-light connector - wait at least 4 seconds after the ignition is turned ON - no need to start the engine for this test.
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Outstanding Tutorial!!! I did not know how to troubleshoot. Now I know.
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Thank you for a fantastic tutorial. I have just completed my winter service during which I replaced the crankcase breather and the O rings beneath the manifolds. Nothing was leaking, but I do like preventive maintenance When I rode tested after reassembly my CC would not engage and figured it was either the CC cable out of adjustment or the return micro switch as I had removed both from the TB frame.
First job was to trouble shoot the system and sure enough throttle full forward would not activate the light. I reset the micro switch and correctly set the 9mm gap on the cable and all was good with the test until I came to the rear wheel rotation. Mine is an 02 with EVO iABS, so I checked the clearance of the ABS sensor on the rear wheel as the light does not flash at all. That was well within spec, and I know the ABS works, so I was curious as to what the reason is for the light not flashing? Once again Jean, thank you for a very informative diagnostic procedure
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Thank you for a fantastic tutorial. I have just completed my winter service during which I replaced the crankcase breather and the O rings beneath the manifolds. Nothing was leaking, but I do like preventive maintenance When I rode tested after reassembly my CC would not engage and figured it was either the CC cable out of adjustment or the return micro switch as I had removed both from the TB frame.
First job was to trouble shoot the system and sure enough throttle full forward would not activate the light. I reset the micro switch and correctly set the 9mm gap on the cable and all was good with the test until I came to the rear wheel rotation. Mine is an 02 with EVO iABS, so I checked the clearance of the ABS sensor on the rear wheel as the light does not flash at all. That was well within spec, and I know the ABS works, so I was curious as to what the reason is for the light not flashing? Once again Jean, thank you for a very informative diagnostic procedure

Thank you for the kind words - it is always appreciated.
Let me try to cover 2 items in your quote:

1) The only reason I insist about the IABS equipped bike (in the tutorial) is to differentiate the old K1200LT (1999-2001) with the newer ones. For the K1200RS, there is no confusion because the Cruise-control was only offered with the 2nd generation at the same time as the ABS switch-over to Integral-ABS.

2) I am VERY surprised that your SET light would not flash while rotating the wheel in "Step 8". Are you 100% sure that "Step 7" was completed sucessfully ?

Step #7 goes like this in the tutorial (PDF and Video):
"Press the rear brake pedal (light ON), hold for 5 seconds (light should go OFF). Release the rear brake pedal (light ON)."

Did you wait for the light to go OFF (after 5 sec or more) before you released the brake pedal ? Was the SET light back in the ON mode before you began "Step 8" for the rear wheel rotation ? Did you try fast and slow wheel rotation ?

I cannot imagine how the ABS-sensor would not give a signal to the cruise-control diagnostic (and the SET light) without other symptoms as this signal also feeds the Speedometer and the ABS-unit. Just thinking out loud....
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Hey Jean, just went and did the full check again but this time rotated the wheel slowly, and sure enough the light blinked at me several times, so all is good. If the wheel is spun quickly the light appears not to flash at all, so slow is the trick.
BTW I am just setting up my GS-911 and after installing the program when I try to open it it throws a fault code stating "internal protection error, please contact author" Any idea whats cooking here?
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Hey Jean, just went and did the full check again but this time rotated the wheel slowly, and sure enough the light blinked at me several times, so all is good. If the wheel is spun quickly the light appears not to flash at all, so slow is the trick.
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Richard,
Glad you got it sorted out.

You are the 1st one to report an issue with the wheel rotation speed during the diagnostic. I taught that was stange so I just went in garage for more tests - mine will work with either SLOW or FAST rotation - as fast I could do with my feet given that I also need to watch the SET light.

There are only 2 variables that I can see to explain the difference in sensitivity of the ABS rear wheel ABS sensor:
1) sensor GAP could be in lower range or the upper range of the gap. Mine is roughly in the middle of the range (between 0.75 and 0.90 mm all around). The allowed tolerances are very wide for Integral-ABS (Rear: MIN = 0.2 mm , MAX = 1.5 mm).

2) Dirt in the the sensor wheel teeth. Mine was very clean.

Can you check the gap that you have at 90 degrees intervalls (all around) ?
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Jean, had a chance to look more closely at the rear wheel ABS check after work tonight and took some measurements. I located the oem paint dod and started there with a reading of 1.20 mm. Well within spec, however I removed the sensor and shim from its cradle and gave it a good clean, omitting the shim on installation. Reading now at 0.75 mm taken at 5 different locations. Actually 10 measurements, with 2 measurements between each spoke to be sure, to be sure Also thoroughly cleaned the sensor wheel although it was not really dirty, just a bit of accumulated brake dust.
Re did the test an much better with a blinking light with slow and fast rotation. Next will be a road test and I suspect an improvement in rear wheel ABS action because, to be honest, I have had this nigling suspicion in the back of my mind for a while now that while the rear ABS works, it seems slow, as in a long pause between ABS engagements. Question - why is there no test for the all important front wheel ABS or is this covered else where? I asked my good wifey to watch the light while I spun the front wheel and no blinking
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Question - why is there no test for the all important front wheel ABS or is this covered else where? I asked my good wifey to watch the light while I spun the front wheel and no blinking

Glad you found it - I suspected something was not right (based on you previous question on the rotation speed of the rear wheel during the diagnostic).

About your QUESTION:
1) Only the rear wheel sensor is linked to the cruise-control circuit. So even if you spin the front wheel at 100 mph, it will not flash the SET light .
2) To the best of my knowledge, there is nothing in the BMW or Clymer manual to test the Front ABS sensor.
3) If any of the ABS sensor (front or rear) was defective, I beleive that the GS911 and the dealer' computer would show a fault stored in the system. You should also have the ABS warnings lights after you start moving as the "pull-away" test will NOT complete sucessfully.
4) I am not an electrical engineer, but I was told you could test any of these ABS wheel sensor using a Scope to read the pulses. I do not have a Scope in my garage - not yet anyway.
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If you really wanted to, you could probably connect the front ABS sensor to the wiring for the rear sensor just for the cruise test to see the blinks. Also, as sailor mentioned, the ABS system will register faults if it detects a problem. On my Oilhead, when I had one of the gaps just a little too wide the ABS would fault and trigger the dash lights any time I went up to 100mph or more.
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If you really wanted to, you could probably connect the front ABS sensor to the wiring for the rear sensor just for the cruise test to see the blinks. Also, as sailor mentioned, the ABS system will register faults if it detects a problem. On my Oilhead, when I had one of the gaps just a little too wide the ABS would fault and trigger the dash lights any time I went up to 100mph or more.

Thanks for the thought, but the front ABS sensor has no (factory) adjustment anyway, so there is no need to play with that idea.

Managed to get out over the weekend and check out the rear ABS and sure enough much more alive with modulator pulses compared to before I set the gap. It worked before, only now it works much better. Interestingly, the gap was still within spec at 1.2mm but gave a very irregular or non existing blinking light. At 0.75mm the blinking was much more consistent at both low and fast rotation. Yes I know I also cleaned the sensor ring which could influence this, but it really was pretty clean with only a very small amount of road grime/brake dust to speak of. I believe this is an excellent diagnostic check to do each annual/winter service for the peace of mind in knowing the ABS is working within its parameters.
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Thanks for the thought, but the front ABS sensor has no (factory) adjustment anyway, so there is no need to play with that idea.
Huh? I'll admit I haven't looked at the front sensor on this bike, but this fiche shows shims there for adjustment, and that's how it was on my Oilhead.
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Huh? I'll admit I haven't looked at the front sensor on this bike, but this fiche shows shims there for adjustment, and that's how it was on my Oilhead.
Took it out to clean and check it and no shims. Clymer page 503 states "not adjustable"
One could assume that BMW figured that as the front sensor is attached directly to the fork leg there is no measurable tolerance calculated for wear as apposed to the rear sensor that is attached to the caliper which is then bolted to the swing arm requiring the necessity for adjustment as parts wear. Also, with the rear sensor maybe there are slight differences in air gap from one bike to another at build and each bike is individually set with the correct shim. This would make sense as the assembly techs go to the trouble of identifying the largest air gap with a paint dot. Given the (rear) sensor has such a large range (0.2 - 1-5) and the Germans have a reputation for exacting tolerances in engineering I wonder why they need to go to so much trouble in the first place
Also the front sensor ring has gaps in it while the rear is stepped. This effects the magnet more at the rear as it has to be able to read the steps on an entirely magnetic surface, while at the front the air gaps are easier for the magnet to read. That's my take on it anyway. Sailor?
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Took it out to clean and check it and no shims. Clymer page 503 states "not adjustable"
One could assume that BMW figured that as the front sensor is attached directly to the fork leg there is no measurable tolerance calculated for wear as apposed to the rear sensor that is attached to the caliper which is then bolted to the swing arm requiring the necessity for adjustment as parts wear. Also, with the rear sensor maybe there are slight differences in air gap from one bike to another at build and each bike is individually set with the correct shim. This would make sense as the assembly techs go to the trouble of identifying the largest air gap with a paint dot. Given the (rear) sensor has such a large range (0.2 - 1-5) and the Germans have a reputation for exacting tolerances in engineering I wonder why they need to go to so much trouble in the first place
Also the front sensor ring has gaps in it while the rear is stepped. This effects the magnet more at the rear as it has to be able to read the steps on an entirely magnetic surface, while at the front the air gaps are easier for the magnet to read. That's my take on it anyway. Sailor?

To answer FlyingKiwi, the info I have for Integral-ABS sensor gap on the front:

The Germans are not always logical, consistent or have perfect quality control of their documentation... want a proof:
1) For the Integral-ABS version of the k1200RS, the BMW shop-manual in PDF format says the FRONT ABS sensor does NOT have any specifications for the front. Specs and adjustment warning is given only for the rear.

2) For the first production of Integral-ABS version of the K1200LT (the big whale), the BMW shop-manual in PDF format says the FRONT ABS sensor does NOT have any specifications for the front. Specs and warnings are given only for the rear - same as above.

3) BUT for the last generation of the K1200LT (2005-2009), BMW came up with a software application to replace the PDF format Shop-manual. In this application, the FRONT ABS sensor has a gap specifications (0.1 to 1.7 mm) with a remark "maintenance free". So it looks that the system still has a limit, although it is very wide. Unless your front wheel is really badly installed, I doubt that you could have a case where these MAX and MIN tolerances are exceeded.

Conclusion - My take on this:
Based on the info above, it would appear that the CLYMER manual is correct but incomplete by saying:
"Front ABS sensor (not adjustable): 0.1 to 1.7 mm"
They have generalized the data that BMW has published only in the latest K1200LT shop manual -AND- they have applied it to all models covered in the same manual, including the K1200RS and the K1200GT. But, at this point, we are splitting hair really...

As for myself, I will continue to check the front sensor GAP on all IABS (Integral-ABS) equipped bike (a "K" or a "R") and will shoot to avoid being too close to the upper or lower limits of "0.1 to 1,7 mm".

Please note that the above specs do NOT apply to earlier ABSII models (before 2002 for the USA or before 2001 for Europe or Canada). For the guys “down under”, I really do not know when BMW started shpping Integral-ABS models.
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I-ABS models were shipped into Australia shortly after they came onto the market in Europe and the USA. My understanding is that vehicle manufacturers fill their biggest markets first, then supply the smaller markets Mine is by no means the first one sold (in Australia with I-ABS) as it was assembled early 2002 and was first registered in June 02 as a 2002 year model, according to the VIN
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Well done video and PDF. instruction. Clear and concise. Thanks a bunch

My recently purchased 2007 K1200gt has inop. cruise control. Even though my bike is a later version I followed your instructions and everything appeared to work except for the throttle moving with rear brake application/release. And the light flashing with rotation of the rear wheel. My speedometer and ABS both appear normal.

Assuming the troubleshooting procedure is similar I am leaning toward a bad cruise control actuator.

Any input would be greatly appreciated.
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Well done video and PDF. instruction. Clear and concise. Thanks a bunch

My recently purchased 2007 K1200gt has inop. cruise control. Even though my bike is a later version I followed your instructions and everything appeared to work except for the throttle moving with rear brake application/release. And the light flashing with rotation of the rear wheel. My speedometer and ABS both appear normal.

Assuming the troubleshooting procedure is similar I am leaning toward a bad cruise control actuator.

Any input would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you for the kind words about my video and PDF document.

I do not have a more recent model (after 2005) here to make some comparison tests, but I will give you a few data points that may help:

1) I have a friend with a more recent R1200RT and he also said that the wheel rotation test will not give any result. I suspect BMW changed something in the electrical diagram in these more recent models, although from the outside the cruise unit looks similar (under the fairing).

2) It is NOT common to have a defective cruise-unit, so this is not where I would focus my troubleshooting.

3) Can you pinpoint where and when the problem began – was it after some work was done on your bike ?

4) Have you tried to replace the rear bulb ? As I mentionned in my tutorial, in some models, BMW is faking the rear "night" filament to function even when it is defective (by using the brake filament).
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Thanks for the prompt reply. Taillight on my 2007 has two single filament bulb with increased current to provide the increased intensity when the brakes are applied. (Apparently your emergency system worked so well they made it standard).
The Cruise control was out when I bought the bike, previous owner said he never used it and didn't know when it quit. ABS was also inop. when I bought it, that was corrected by sending the control unit to Module Masters in Idaho. (Prompt service and reasonable price.)

As I understand the troubleshooting procedure once a fault occurs (light does not act as expected) that is the problem area. and must be corrected before the next item will respond. I think I need to check the actuator and cable connections to the throttle cables, maybe I can get a diagram or something that will show how to actuate the actuator.

Bike has only 17K miles so I'm thinking nothing should be worn out (But then there's the ABS)

Remus exhaust and Corbin heated seats plus some sort of performance device. Not sure of brand. Hopefully none of that would affect the cruise control.

Appreciate your time and input.
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Thanks for the prompt reply. Taillight on my 2007 has two single filament bulb with increased current to provide the increased intensity when the brakes are applied. (Apparently your emergency system worked so well they made it standard).
The Cruise control was out when I bought the bike, previous owner said he never used it and didn't know when it quit. ABS was also inop. when I bought it, that was corrected by sending the control unit to Module Masters in Idaho. (Prompt service and reasonable price.)

As I understand the troubleshooting procedure once a fault occurs (light does not act as expected) that is the problem area. and must be corrected before the next item will respond. I think I need to check the actuator and cable connections to the throttle cables, maybe I can get a diagram or something that will show how to actuate the actuator.

Bike has only 17K miles so I'm thinking nothing should be worn out (But then there's the ABS)

Remus exhaust and Corbin heated seats plus some sort of performance device. Not sure of brand. Hopefully none of that would affect the cruise control.

Appreciate your time and input.

Now that I have the BIG picture, it is a bit clearer what might be the cause(s).

I do not have access currently to a 2nd generation K1200GT (after 2005) or a K1300GT to make more tests or enhance the video tutorial, but last year I acquired a used LEFT Combo-switch from Ebay.

These handlebar switches assembly (after 2005) have been known to fail more than the previous generation of switches - according to some dealers, BMW has changed supplier at a certain point. In fact, in the K1200GT and the K1300GT forum, some owners had their switches assy replaced 3 times under warranty.

Using my used K1200GT (2006) switch as a test bench, I came up with a document to test each pin in static manner. Obviously, you would need to follow the wires coming out of the left handlebar switch and unplug 1 large connector to make these tests. To check if the cruise-control switch is intermittent, you would want to use various pressure on the ON-OFF (left, right and down pressure) while checking the continuity.

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Thanks again for your idea's and the wonderful DIY.

Finally got the cruise working on my 2007 K1200GT. It turned out to be the cruise control unit. Fooled us for a while because it did make a noise but the throttle did not move. Found one on e-bay for about $100.00 and installed it. Viola! problem solved. Light still does not flash when rotating the rear wheel though so apparently something changed with the later models.

To recap: On 2006 and later bikes the troubleshooting procedure works all the way through except for the light flashing with rear wheel rotation. Make sure the throttle actually moves in step 7 not just makes noise.

By the way I ended up with an extra cruise control unit (two guys looking for a part can end up with an extra) First $100 takes it
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Hi Sailor,

Firstly great thread, a real gem of a guide.

I found this thread after trawling through the EuroKClub site and wondered if you could help.

I have a 2007 K1200GT and have CC problems. The CC stopped working mid way through a tour, so no mods or work done that I can see would affect.

When the CC switch is turned on I get the red light but the CC won't engage.

When I found your diagnostic check I ran through it and all seemed fine, however, the test will only work around once in every 2-3 times I try. By that I mean I can run the check fine, switch off the ignition, if I then try to run the check again I don't get the "SET" light when I turn on the ignition in Step 1. If I try again it will work ok or maybe the next time. Hopefully that makes sense.

Also I not sure if I got any throttle movement after releasing the rear brake as I wasn't looking for this initially, only realised that after re-reading the thread. I'm away from the bike at the moment so can't check on that.

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I have a 2007 K1200GT and have CC problems. The CC stopped working mid way through a tour, so no mods or work done that I can see would affect.

When the CC switch is turned on I get the red light but the CC won't engage.

When I found your diagnostic check I ran through it and all seemed fine, however, the test will only work around once in every 2-3 times I try. By that I mean I can run the check fine, switch off the ignition, if I then try to run the check again I don't get the "SET" light when I turn on the ignition in Step 1. If I try again it will work ok or maybe the next time. Hopefully that makes sense.

Also I not sure if I got any throttle movement after releasing the rear brake as I wasn't looking for this initially, only realised that after re-reading the thread. I'm away from the bike at the moment so can't check on that.

Thanks in advance

Lyndon

Based on your symptoms, I would suspect your left handlebar combo-switch might be defective (intermittent). Inside these combo-switches, each function (ON, SET, RES) activates a separate micro-switch.

These handlebar switches assembly (after 2005) have been known to fail more than the previous generation of switches - according to some dealers, BMW has changed supplier at a certain point. In fact, in the K1200GT and the K1300GT forum, some owners had their switches assy replaced 3 times under warranty.

Using a used K1200GT (2006) switch-assy as a test bench, I came up with a document to test each pin in static manner. Obviously, you would need to follow the wires coming out of the left handlebar switch and unplug 1 large connector to make these tests. To check if the cruise-control switch is intermittent, you would want to use various pressure on the ON-OFF (left, right and down pressure) while checking the continuity.

If you are willing to remove some fairing and reach the combo-switch connector, see PDF document 2 or 3 messages before this one (same thread in October 2012).

Although your cruise-unit could also be intermittent (no way to really test this on a bench - no internal specs available). BUT, there has been a lot more failure of combo-switches for your model generation - so this is where I would start based on your symptoms.

P.S.: After publishing the tutorial, I have learned that the wheel rotation (ABS sensor test in Step 8) will not respond during the diagnostic on newer models like the K1200GT and K1300GT (2006 and later). So this should not be interpreted as a defect on your bike. If ABS sensor is really defective, you would know after you start moving as the ABS unit will include this check.
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Re: Video tutorial - Cruise control troubleshooting

Thanks for the reply,

I was worried it would be the switch, I had stripped it down and cleaned the contacts, they didn't look worn or dirty but it could be the wiring I suppose.

Think I will go for one of the friction devices for the end of the throttle tube rather than spend £250+ on a switch assembly.

Might pull it apart again at some point and check the continuity. Ah well another reason to look at a different bike I guess. 12000 miles and already had a new ABS unit and now this.

Thanks again for your input and the great guide.

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After having found many tips about "how to troubleshoot" the cruise control system of the K1200RS, I taught that it would be useful to make a video tutorial to help other owners. It was also the perfect excuse to make a real project while learning about my new video editing software (Sony Vegas).

See this link on YouTube:
http://youtu.be/2ov3-jdII6A?hd=1




Comments and suggestions are welcome. Let me know what you think of this tutorial format.

Yes, never had a chance to thank you. After a well known tri-state area bmw dealer (everyone here knows who that is I am sure) told me they fixed my cruise but didn't, I watched your video, got out a clymer manual, and was able to fix it myself. Many thanks to you Sailor for teaching us the diagnostic procedure!
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Yes, never had a chance to thank you. After a well known tri-state area bmw dealer (everyone here knows who that is I am sure) told me they fixed my cruise but didn't, I watched your video, got out a clymer manual, and was able to fix it myself. Many thanks to you Sailor for teaching us the diagnostic procedure!

Mike,
It is always appreciated whe riders let us know that the collective here is useful. Do not forget to keep a printed copy of the PDF summary with your Clymer manual.

May I ask what you found the problem to be on yours ? I know that most issues are caused by throttle-cable adjustment OR the clutch-side micro-switch, but I am always improving my data to better help others in the future.
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Mike,
It is always appreciated whe riders let us know that the collective here is useful. Do not forget to keep a printed copy of the PDF summary with your Clymer manual.

May I ask what you found the problem to be on yours ? I know that most issues are caused by throttle-cable adjustment OR the clutch-side micro-switch, but I am always improving my data to better help others in the future.

Jean,

Yes, both the open and close cables needed some adjusting but here is the kicker. It still will not work properly in tempertatures around 40F or below. Works perfect otherwise. It must have something to do with expansion/contraction of the cables/metal/switch? I havent had time to take all the fairing down and possibly the gas tank off to look at where the cables go into the cruise mechanism at the switch to see if it needs adjusting. As soon as this blasted cold would permanently leave us, I won't have the problem.
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Jean,

Thank you for the outstanding video and procedure which I copied as a reference. You are a definite asset saving me many $$s and time.

I located the problem in the clutch switch by removing the cover and manually exercising the switch. Probably due to wear the cam on the lever was not fully closing the switch. Just placed a doubled piece of electrical tape between the switch arm and actuation button, problem solved.

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Jean,

Thank you for the outstanding video and procedure which I copied as a reference. You are a definite asset saving me many $$s and time.

I located the problem in the clutch switch by removing the cover and manually exercising the switch. Probably due to wear the cam on the lever was not fully closing the switch. Just placed a doubled piece of electrical tape between the switch arm and actuation button, problem solved.

Peter

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Glad the tutorial is still useful to our community. I am assuming you have also found the PDF document so you can keep a printout of the basic steps near toolbox (or with your shop-manual).

P.S.: I see this is your 1st post here, so please accept a warm welcome to our forums ;-)
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I found this by accident, and it helped me.

I ran the diagnostic and found one of my throttle cable the sheath is broken.
Hopefully replacing this will get my cruise control back up and running.

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Finally got the throttle cables.
Installed, had to readjust the closed throttle microswitch.
Cruise passes self diagnosis now.

Can't test ride until I get the front brakes working again, after havine thr grip upside down there is no resistance at the brake lever.
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After having found many tips about "how to troubleshoot" the cruise control system of the K1200RS, I taught that it would be useful to make a video tutorial to help other owners. It was also the perfect excuse to make a real project while learning about my new video editing software (Sony Vegas).

See this link on YouTube:
http://youtu.be/2ov3-jdII6A?hd=1



Comments and suggestions are welcome. Let me know what you think of this tutorial format.

Thank you so much Sailor for your informative video on troubleshooting the cruise control system on my 2002 BMW K1200RS. I had an engine fire that damaged the throttle cables, clutch line and cruise control throttle close switch. I replaced the damaged parts with new ones but the cruise control would not engage. I researched my Clymer and shop manuals but could not find any information. As a last resort, I was considering bringing the bike in for repair at the dealer. This would have cost me a leg and an arm. It turns out the close cable was too tight. Thanks to you, Dark Night, is running fine. Now and I have gained new knowledge!

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Thank you so much Sailor for your informative video on troubleshooting the cruise control system on my 2002 BMW K1200RS. I had an engine fire that damaged the throttle cables, clutch line and cruise control throttle close switch. I replaced the damaged parts with new ones but the cruise control would not engage. I researched my Clymer and shop manuals but could not find any information. As a last resort, I was considering bringing the bike in for repair at the dealer. This would have cost me a leg and an arm. It turns out the close cable was too tight. Thanks to you, Dark Night, is running fine. Now and I have gained new knowledge!

Best regards,

Claude

Claude,
Glad it is still helping other owners out there.

By the way, since you live fairly close to me (I am south-shore of Mtl) if you need any parts for your K1200RS, I have a bunch of stuff currently advertized on KIJIJI Quebec web site.
Of course, this link is only valid if you read French:
https://www.kijiji.ca/o-posters-other-ads/43212764

Also, for English speaking members, some of these items are also published here in the classified:
http://www.i-bmw.com/classifieds/sho...500&ppuser=144


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Claude,
Glad it is still helping other owners out there.

By the way, since you live fairly close to me (I am south-shore of Mtl) if you need any parts for your K1200RS, I have a bunch of stuff currently advertized on KIJIJI Quebec web site.
Of course, this link is only valid if you read French:
https://www.kijiji.ca/o-posters-other-ads/43212764

Also, for English speaking members, some of these items are also published here in the classified:
http://www.i-bmw.com/classifieds/sho...500&ppuser=144


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Merci Jean,

J'irai voir les pièces que tu offres à vendre. Mon fils habite à Longueuil.

Salutations sincères,

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