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Old 07-31-2012, 02:32 AM
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Hi,

I just bought a K1300S HP and have about a thousand miles on it. First BMW I have ever owned. On many occasions when approaching a corner or a light, I find that after dropping down a gear, the shifter is remaining down at the lower stop so that I cannot drop down to the next gear. Usually pulling in the clutch or waiting for some period of time will bring it back to the middle position where I can catch the next gear. However, neither of these are great solutions when you are working through a bunch of tight corners and I guess I did not expect to experience these kinds of transmission issues on a bike like this. On a brighter note, upshifts are smooth and accurate. Is this common for this bike? Has anyone else had these kind of downshift issues.

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Old 07-31-2012, 06:13 AM
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Re: K1300S shifting problems

I've had no such issues and there is clearly a fault. You should take it back to the dealer and get it fixed under warranty.
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Re: K1300S shifting problems

back to the dealer it sounds like the shifter may be tight on its shaft and or there is tightness on the shifter drum inside the trans
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I have never experienced that on any bike I've ridden, warranty for sure.
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Re: K1300S shifting problems

There is a return spring that may be defective, internal. Lucky it is easy to open these trannies. Take it back for warranty work.
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Re: K1300S shifting problems

Mine has the opposite issue. When I shift to the next higher gear, the shifter will stay in the up position briefly. I feel it drop down and touch the top of my foot after shifting. I am making a list of all the issues that need to addressed at the first service. The list is growing.
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Re: K1300S shifting problems

Both you guys, my money is on this:
08 23 00 7 683 985 RETAINER SPRING $4.40
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Re: K1300S shifting problems

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Mine has the opposite issue. When I shift to the next higher gear, the shifter will stay in the up position briefly. I feel it drop down and touch the top of my foot after shifting. I am making a list of all the issues that need to addressed at the first service. The list is growing.
I would bring the bike in to the dealer now rather than wait for your first service. Unless you are ready to do the service - you don't need the shifter to lock up on you. Might even be a simple shifter linkage adjustment.
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Re: K1300S shifting problems

Thanks for the replies. I have already had the dealer look at it one time and am taking it back again. I don't have a lot of confidence that the service department is really going to dig into it. Hope they prove me wrong. I sold a perfectly great Speed Triple SE when I bought this bike. It never missed a shift a half the price.
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Re: K1300S shifting problems

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Both you guys, my money is on this:
08 23 00 7 683 985 RETAINER SPRING $4.40
Good call Beech and I hope your wrong! If it was my bike... I would change the oil right now(not a shop) and see if there are chewed up metal bits in it like a retainer as Beech has suggested. If so demand a new motorcycle or threaten court action. Were talking about a 167 hp blender. The last thing you want in there are lose parts!
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Re: K1300S shifting problems

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Thanks for the replies. I have already had the dealer look at it one time and am taking it back again. I don't have a lot of confidence that the service department is really going to dig into it. Hope they prove me wrong. I sold a perfectly great Speed Triple SE when I bought this bike. It never missed a shift a half the price.
Hang in there, it will get fixed and you will have a great bike. You may have to ask the list for suggested dealers in your area.
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Re: K1300S shifting problems

I am in agreement, take it in now, both of you. I do have a question for Phil in LA....your description of downshifts....you are not expecting to do clutchless downshifts with your electronic upshift assist, are you? You note that pulling in the clutch allows the shifter to come up...you will always need the clutch for downshifts.

Hope you both get this issue resolved soon, too nice a bike to have any issues, especially potentially dangerous to you or the internals of the engine.
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Re: K1300S shifting problems

No I am not doing clutchless downshifts. Just normal quick sequences as I come up on a corner or light, each downshift using the clutch. Sometimes, not always, when I go to do the next downshift, the shifter is still down at the lower stop.
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Re: K1300S shifting problems

Im going to jump in here and ask a question , has any one everhad there quick shifter stop working? the other week when i took my bike to the dealer for its first service [350kms] away for a 10km stint threw traffic i had to use the clutch it just wasnt working, i tried all sorts of stops and starts and even turned the motor off once, it came right all by itself and hasnt missed a beat since. I had the dealer check it out and they said everything seemed fine and they had not heard of this happening before
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Re: K1300S shifting problems

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has any one everhad there quick shifter stop working? I had the dealer check it out and they said everything seemed fine and they had not heard of this happening before

YES, I had to get mine replaced. I hate it when they say "never heard......" I respect my dealer but if he ever said that to me . They are about the best part of $600 and a half hour labor. Exact same symptom, negative function, as the man said.
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Re: K1300S shifting problems

Greyfox, Actually, yes. Mine did that a few months ago, went to upshift after a stop and nada...fortunately nobody behind me. Tried a second one and still nothing. So, I just stopped, shut it down and rebooted with the key and all was better. Never before or since, knock wood....
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Re: K1300S shifting problems

I felt there was a vibration through the bike while the shifter wasnt working, which utterly confused me as i was doing clutched gearshifts that felt good ie.they felt like solid upshift not a shift that felt like i didnt quite do that right, if you know what i meen
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Re: K1300S shifting problems

I've had the changing down issue. After changing down a second later you feel the gear lever hit the sole of your boot. I was hoping it was newness and would improve.
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Mine has the opposite issue. When I shift to the next higher gear, the shifter will stay in the up position briefly. I feel it drop down and touch the top of my foot after shifting. I am making a list of all the issues that need to addressed at the first service. The list is growing.
I had the same, but with the use, that simptom went away.
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has any one ever had his quick-shifter stop working?
Out of curiosity, how do you know? I assume the bike still upshifts, since you're mechanically forcing the gear change, but without the ECU cutting out ignition momentarily, therefore very jerky and noisy, no? Or is the shift lever simply too hard to move up with normal foot pressure? Would like to know how it feels in case it ever happens. Thanks.
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Re: K1300S shifting problems

you hit the nail on the head with the latter part when you said the shifter is to hard to move, you will know stright away if it happens because you think to yourself, WTF whats going on
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Re: K1300S shifting problems

Yep, exactly, the big WTF?!?!? If I ever have it happens again, I will know exactly what it is. Since you are not letting off the gas, but relying on the shift assist to do it for you, it will not go ahead and shift like on a non-assisted clutchless shift. In fact, you are usually still accelerating so you have pressure on the gears as opposed to not. If you slightly roll off the gas, like on any other bike,you could get the clutchless shift, but....with the electronic aide, we are expecting that to be done for us.
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I had the same, but with the use, that simptom went away.

Pedro (or anyone else with this issue) - how many miles / kms did you have when this started and when it went away?

This is my first post (hi!) and I have the same issue....... every 100 miles or so, when I go for 4th the lever either goes up with very little pressure & nothing happens (stays in 3rd, but the quick shifter activates so I get a brief loss of power). Occasionally, after getting 3rd, I feel the lever pop down onto my boot after a short delay. very occasionally, I get the same issue between 5th and 6th.

All other changes (1->2, 2->3, 4->5) are absolutely fine every time, and the quickshifter works smoothely from 3000rpm up (even lower sometimes).

I bought the bike (2010 model) with 5000 miles and it now has 6400.

I think (maybe wishful thinking) that this is improving ..............

What I also noticed is that when I get the "where has the lever gone" issue from 3rd to 4th, the gear indicator is blank (but I know its in 3rd - solidly), & when the gear indicator comes up with a "3", all is then back to normal and I can go for 4th.

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Re: K1300S shifting problems

I should think your bike is still under warranty. There is a return spring in the transmission that brings all the works including the lever back to a zone that is ready for the next shift. Sounds like yours is not right. If you look at the MAX parts fiche you can find it near the shift drum.
I think this is the culprit that does not move your shifter back to normal smartly. 23 00 7 683 985 RETAINER SPRING $4.40
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Pedro (or anyone else with this issue) - how many miles / kms did you have when this started and when it went away.
Alan

Since new until 3.000 Kms more or less. But I had only the lever pop down simptom. As Beech said it must be a return spring. Because i didn't knew what it was I just put some WD40 on the joints of the quick shift and after some rides it worked, maybe just luck. Drive safe.
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Thanks for the replies. I have already had the dealer look at it one time and am taking it back again. I don't have a lot of confidence that the service department is really going to dig into it. Hope they prove me wrong. I sold a perfectly great Speed Triple SE when I bought this bike. It never missed a shift a half the price.

In LA you have multiple dealers to try. If you lack confidence in your current dealer try another. Are you currently going to Hollywood or West Valley? Try New Century or Irv Seaver or Browns. Here in SoCal there is never an excuse for using a crappy Svc dept!

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Re: K1300S shifting problems

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Since new until 3.000 Kms more or less. But I had only the lever pop down simptom. As Beech said it must be a return spring. Because i didn't knew what it was I just put some WD40 on the joints of the quick shift and after some rides it worked, maybe just luck. Drive safe.
Take a look at those joints and you will see a little pin the pivots and then pulls out. Hold on they are small. Then you can snap the ball joint apart and put some grease in there. Save the wd for cleaning tar off.
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Take a look at those joints and you will see a little pin the pivots and then pulls out. Hold on they are small. Then you can snap the ball joint apart and put some grease in there. Save the wd for cleaning tar off.

Ok Beech, thank you for the advise. I never had the simptom again but if reappears, i will do that.
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Hi,

I just bought a K1300S HP and have about a thousand miles on it. First BMW I have ever owned. On many occasions when approaching a corner or a light, I find that after dropping down a gear, the shifter is remaining down at the lower stop so that I cannot drop down to the next gear. Usually pulling in the clutch or waiting for some period of time will bring it back to the middle position where I can catch the next gear. However, neither of these are great solutions when you are working through a bunch of tight corners and I guess I did not expect to experience these kinds of transmission issues on a bike like this. On a brighter note, upshifts are smooth and accurate. Is this common for this bike? Has anyone else had these kind of downshift issues.

Thanks,

Phil

I have another customer that has problems with gears hanging up and missing shifts with the digital display not reading a number, also.

Is there anybody in the San Francisco area with a bike that is a lazy shifter?

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Re: K1300S shifting problems

TO: phil-in-la

I have the exact same problem on my new K1300R. I have 800km on it and the same thing happens. Not all the time but when it does it's weird since i have to fix it by either working on the clutch or do some upshifts and then downshifts. SOMETIMES it even happens when i'm idle at a red light in Neutral: Then green light comes, i say ok let's go, pull the clutch lever in, push on the gear leaver down for 1st, and instead of 1st engaging i find the shifter working on a "squishy" zone that does NOTHING. Then the cars start to flash the lights ....
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I have the exact same problem on my new K1300R. I have 800km on it and the same thing happens. Not all the time but when it does it's weird since i have to fix it by either working on the clutch or do some upshifts and then downshifts. SOMETIMES it even happens when i'm idle at a red light in Neutral: Then green light comes, i say ok let's go, pull the clutch lever in, push on the gear leaver down for 1st, and instead of 1st engaging i find the shifter working on a "squishy" zone that does NOTHING. Then the cars start to flash the lights ....

Wish you were local to me - I'd like to look at it -
Seems like the 1200 and 1300 shift about the same, from what I can determine from people who post and I talk to.

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Has anyone had any luck getting this fixed under warranty? Convincing the dealer to open the transmission & replace a spring seems a tall order on the basis of the rider's reports of intermittent problems; if you succeeded, how did you convince them to do it?

I ask because I might need to convince my dealer to do this; my issue recurred today. I have been using the clutch for 1-2-3 around town, and no issues. On a long journey today however, using the QS from 1 to 2 resulted in instances of both a) the lever staying up and then smacking down onto my boot after a half a second, and b) staying up so that I was unable to get 3rd despite moving my foot completely out of the way and then raising the lever several times - this went on for a second or two.

It seems to me that the lever locks up when there is load on the transmission (acceleration) - so you will never see it when using the clutch. Unfortunately this provides BMW with a get-out; their argument will be that if it doesn't happen with the clutch, there must be no problem and the rider is simply asking too much from the QS (not true because it is a random problem & can't be provoked by heavy/light/fast/slow use of the lever).

It is a pain in the neck because if you anticipate an upshift that doesn't end up happening, you end up with a throttle position appropriate for the higher gear applied to the lower gear / higher rpm = more acceleration than you were expecting, at the same time as being distracted by the whole thing!
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Re: K1300S shifting problems

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today however, using the QS from 1 to 2 resulted in instances of both a) the lever staying up and then smacking down onto my boot after a half a second, and b) staying up so that I was unable to get 3rd despite moving my foot completely out of the way and then raising the lever several times - this went on for a second or two.

The owners manual specifically says not to use the quick shift for 1 to 2 shifts or shift at red line.
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Interesting. My manual mentions avoiding qs near redline, but nothing about 1 to 2.

Anyway, all my comments above also apply to 2 to 3 shifts.

Still wondering what to do about it.......
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I'm still looking for someone with a 1200 or 1300 in the San Francisco Bay area who wants their shifting looked at.

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The owners manual specifically says not to use the quick shift for 1 to 2 shifts or shift at red line.
I'd also want to see where in the manual it says such a thing!

Anyway a friend of mine who's into racing also suggested i should use the clutch for the 1-2 shifts because mainly of security measures, not necessarily to protect the quick shifter but to make sure for example if you have the bike leaned into a corner and you want to switch from 1 to 2, using the qs might leave a chance for 2 not to engage for whatever reasons or to hit N (thing that happened to me too) due to a not so vigorous action of my left leg, case in which you're leaned and u expect to carry on with the throttle input to find out you give it gas in vane, and this might jeopardize the entire cornering and your safety.
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Has anyone had any luck getting this fixed under warranty? Convincing the dealer to open the transmission & replace a spring seems a tall order on the basis of the rider's reports of intermittent problems; if you succeeded, how did you convince them to do it?
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I managed to talk to the dealer, present the problem and asked him to have a go on my bike and try to reproduce it.

Truth be told, i brought the bike in for two problems. First is about the above, second is about this

Anyway he agreed to take it for a ride but he was unable to reproduce no 1 problem (the qs) but was able to identify the no 2 problem (but as you'll see in the thread dealers don't have a solution for it as BMW itself sort of denies it's existence) and since i had an oil exchange booked, he took the bike in. Once he took the bike in he put it on the ramp and managed to reproduce the shifter problem. Having done that he ordered the spring in question as per my suggestions and replaced it a week later. After the replacement i had no issues anymore.
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Once he took the bike in he put it on the ramp and managed to reproduce the shifter problem. Having done that he ordered the spring in question as per my suggestions and replaced it a week later. After the replacement i had no issues anymore.
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Now *that*'s interesting! How did he manage to see the shifting problem on the ramp? Engine running and wheel under load? Or just fiddling with the shifter and listening?

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Re: K1300S shifting problems

Good deal on the fix. I checked my owners manual and you are correct there is no talk of 1st to 2nd shift and not using the quick shift there. Just constant speed and near red line. I don't know how that got into my head.
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My 2009 only says not to use the QS without 'a load' on the transmission, which only makes sense. But why not near redline? THAT's when you want to use QS: under heavy/full throttle and near redline, to maximize power. Furthermore, if BMW really meant to limit rpm, why the hell not specify a limit, like 10K rpm or whatever? That's stupid. 'Near redline' can mean 7K rpm to some, and 10,900 rpm to others .
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My 2009 only says not to use the QS without 'a load' on the transmission, which only makes sense. But why not near redline? THAT's when you want to use QS: under heavy/full throttle and near redline, to maximize power. Furthermore, if BMW really meant to limit rpm, why the hell not specify a limit, like 10K rpm or whatever? That's stupid. 'Near redline' can mean 7K rpm to some, and 10,900 rpm to others .

Loaded, unloaded, lower rpm vs higher rpm, lower gears vs higher gears all require different "shift kill" times. They "threaded 4 needles" the best they could with the ecu software they had and determined that the variable was that the rider needed to be modified. :-)
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Re: K1300S shifting problems

Some interesting junk happens when you use it to shift at constant RPM's. Not very smooth. Maybe the caution about red line is to keep from trying it at the point the rev limiter kicks in. Would be a rather confusing situation. I don't worry about that red line stuff as max power is hit at 9200 and is relatively constant to over 10000. Things are happening so fast at that point there is no way I will be scanning the tack for the exact spot to shift. That is where a shift light would come into play.
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Re: K1300S shifting problems

The "should ideally be" some ecu logic that:
IF clutch lever is pulled then the QS does not kill engine
IF rpm is less than 6000 (for example) rpm then the QS does not kill engine
IF throttle is less than 98% then the QS does not kill engine

If the shift kill duration is too short for conditions, the gear might pop out, as the shift kill duration was not sufficient to allow full gear engagement,
There "should be" a setting for the different gears - 2-6.

If the shift kill duration is too long, the shift will be clunky and the shift "lungey" or jerky.

With the QS, you can't preload the shifter and that "almost neutral throttle" shift? Ouch! Never want a QS then. I could just imagine cresting that hill in a corner, drifting both wheels and needing to shift from 2nd to 3rd and having the QS kill the engine.....

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My QS can be very eratic at times but one thing always stays the same, shifting at a constant throttle above 500rpm is silky smooth and promotes the loudest pop from the exhaust
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My QS can be very erratic at times but one thing always stays the same, shifting at a constant throttle above 500rpm is silky smooth and promotes the loudest pop from the exhaust

Too bad you aren't local to San Francisco........

The pop means that fuel accumulates when ign killed and when ign happens again. pop!
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Now *that*'s interesting! How did he manage to see the shifting problem on the ramp? Engine running and wheel under load? Or just fiddling with the shifter and listening?

Cheers & thanks for the reply

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Too bad you aren't local to San Francisco........

The pop means that fuel accumulates when ign killed and when ign happens again. pop!
Hahah i like that sound too and i also have it around 4K-5k upwards under some moderate-heavy load.

Now that i got the exhaust changed with the BMW Akrapovic slip on, and have the silencer removed that POP is huge. Like i'm shooting from the bike someone :P
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The QS is proportionally smoother with tranny/engine load. Therefore, you should have ACCELERATION, in addition to constant throttle opening. If you're not accelerating while having a constant throttle opening, the load on the tranny/engine is minimal (the slower you're going the less the load) to just maintain speed, and gear changes are clunky as hell. I did just one like that, and wasn't pretty. My QS has been flawless all other times, when I always change under varying levels of load. However, in the twisties, I never use it because I like to have full manual control of the bike. In fact, I don't use QS much, but maybe I should; wonder if it's easier on the clutch and tranny (for prolongued life) to shift normally or with the QS . Maybe harder on the clutch but easier on the tranny with QS??? What do you folks do: use QS all the time, or just for heavy acceleration? Oh, and on the 1-2 shift I always use the clutch, except on rare ocassions when I accelerate really hard from 1st gear.
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I ''always'' use the QS to upshift unless I am really putzing or actually in a town with stop and go type driving. I rarely shift in a corner, most are too short/small of a radius on the roads I ride, I am generally upshifting as I accellerate out of the corners vs in them.
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The only time i don't use QS is when in traffic and not able to have the acceleration to make a smooth change. I live in a rural residential area so i only do about 5% town riding.

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Hey I just traded my monster 1100 evo for this leftover 2011 k1300s I really love the power every bit as powerful as mu busa and zx14 but the transmission sucks big time most of the problems with my bike comes with down shifting its the most cheapest feeling shifter my dirt bike is much better and a lot cheaper to buy. Dont know what to do i really like the bike im 62 amd i can ride for hours with no pain or hands going numb like past bikes gave me. I just cant believe that this has been going on for all these years with these bikes with no resolve hate to say it looks like i may have to use the lemon law MA dealer.... any ideas really like the bike and the way it handles and rides. johnnie m ......
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At age 62 and being experienced with motorcycles and in life, you already know the answers.

1) Did you test ride the bike before you bought it?
2) Have you read all the comments made on this forum before the purchase.
3) The lemon law won't apply to a condition that is normal or that you don't like.
4) Sell it or ask the dealer to take it back.

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Quick question about "shift assist" for all of you more experienced K1200/1300 riders, from someone who has a 30-Years K1300S on the boat and soon-to-be delivered (I hope):

Can the shift assist be turned off, or do you avoid having the shift assist operate by pulling in the clutch and rolling off the throttle before you press up on the shift lever?
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Can the shift assist be turned off, or do you avoid having the shift assist operate by pulling in the clutch and rolling off the throttle before you press up on the shift lever?
Can't be turned off, but you can just use the clutch like you would on a normal bike. This is what the owners manual has to say.

Gearshift assistant

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Can't be turned off, but you can just use the clutch like you would on a normal bike. This is what the owners manual has to say.

Thanks. I read that in the online owners manual, but I just wondered if there was an "off" switch function that I just had not found in the manual yet. Apparently not.
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I've found that the slightest touch on the clutch lever will disable the SA . . ., And, normal "preload" shifts can be made smoothly and w/o the "clunk". So, it comes down to knowing when to use the SA and when not to use it. Ofcourse this is a personal preference and requires practice. I have found the sweet spot in the K13 power range and have no issues whatsoever.

AGAIN . . ., it's knowing when to use the SA and when not to use it that counts.
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I just wondered if there was an "off" switch
The 'off' switch is using the clutch . It's the best of both worlds, don't you think? It's off without having an actual switch. You never shift gears by using the clutch AFTER the gearshift lever, right? If you do something stupid like that, SA is there to save you .
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Hi,

Since I originally started this thread over a year ago, I thought I should give you all an update on my progress. I finally found a BMW dealer in Southern California that understood the issue that I was having with my transmission. Better yet, they took it apart, got the BMW factory involved and fixed the problem. Bike now shifts the way is should.
If you are looking for a dealer that knows how to service your K Bike, go to New Century BMW in Alhambra and talk with Jon, the service manager. They also organize some great weekend rides. If you want to experience some of the best roads in Southern California, check our their ride schedule.

Thanks New Century!!
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Hi,

Since I originally started this thread over a year ago, I thought I should give you all an update on my progress. I finally found a BMW dealer in Southern California that understood the issue that I was having with my transmission. Better yet, they took it apart, got the BMW factory involved and fixed the problem. Bike now shifts the way is should.

What did they fix? The return spring? Something else?
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