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View Poll Results: Do you head check or rely solely on your mirrors?
I rely solely on my mirrors 3 3.45%
I look over my shoulders and check the mirrors. 83 95.40%
I only head check and never look at my mirrors. 1 1.15%
I don't head check or look at my mirrors, I just go for it and hope for the best". 0 0%
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Re: Do You "Head Check" or Just Use Mirrors?

I notice that one of the two "I rely solely on my mirrors" advocates has removed his name from the poll...
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I notice that one of the two "I rely solely on my mirrors" advocates has removed his name from the poll...

Gee...wonder which "dummy" that would be?
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Gee...wonder which "dummy" that would be?

It would have to be a moderator with the ability to change poll results......
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I notice that one of the two "I rely solely on my mirrors" advocates has removed his name from the poll...

Who's name went missing?
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Guest.

When an unregistered "Guest" votes, it shows in the vote tally, but "Guest" doesn't show in the list of who voted.
1 "Guest" and 1 registered member voted for option 1.
4 "Guest" and 70 registered members voted for option 2.
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Re: Do You "Head Check" or Just Use Mirrors?

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I notice that one of the two "I rely solely on my mirrors" advocates has removed his name from the poll...

Resurrecting an old thread to spar a bit? Ok Chuckie, let's dance

Chuck...I don't recall if I voted, but my post clearly states my position. If I did vote, someone removed my vote! Wasn't I!

Since you have been insinuating in other threads that someone has been deleting your posts. Then I must assume this was you Chuckie to stir the pot?

So Chuckie...I'm not sure where you want to take this, but in hindsight, I'm sure you wished you didn't....
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Re: Do You "Head Check" or Just Use Mirrors?

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Gee...wonder which "dummy" that would be?
Certainly not the dummy who rear ended another rider while his wife was on the bike?
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Re: Do You "Head Check" or Just Use Mirrors?

It takes me almost a full second to absorb the visual information in a head check.

This also applies when pulling onto or across a street.

When doing the latter, I count two numbers when looking one way, and then another two numbers when I look the other way.

If these checks appear safe, I do second looks and count one number for each way.

So to pull out in a country where they drive on the right side and planing to turn right or ride across the street, it's left 1, 2, right 3, 4, left again, 5, and right again, 6.

If planning to turn left, the sides are switched.

The strategy is to allow enough time for my brain to absorb all of the information in the initial check and to make quick double checks before committing.

If planning to change lanes, it's 1, 2, to see if it's safe and, if so, 3 on the repeat before committing.

A preliminary mirror check is always performed before initiating a lane change.
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To see if this works for you:

While sitting on your bike in the riding position, take a quick glance at the odometer, just long enough to locate the numbers.

Glance away and then back to the numbers.

You should be able to easily read the numbers in a shorter period of time than it took to locate them.

The first longer glance allows you to orient your visual field and what is in it.

You can use the same technique when checking your mirrors.

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It takes me almost a full second to absorb the visual information in a head check.

This also applies when pulling onto or across a street.

When doing the latter, I count two numbers when looking one way, and then another two numbers when I look the other way.

If these checks appear safe, I do second looks and count one number for each way.

So to pull out in a country where they drive on the right side and planing to turn right or ride across the street, it's left 1, 2, right 3, 4, left again, 5, and right again, 6.

If planning to turn left, the sides are switched.

The strategy is to allow enough time for my brain to absorb all of the information in the initial check and to make quick double checks before committing.

If planning to change lanes, it's 1, 2, to see if it's safe and, if so, 3 on the repeat before committing.

A preliminary mirror check is always performed before initiating a lane change.
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TWO STAGE VJISUAL CHECKING

In actual practice, when riding and wanting to check the odometer or other instument reading (besides the large gauges0, I'll do a guick glance to locate the position of the readout, look back atr the road, and then do a longer glance to do the acutal reading.

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To see if this works for you:

While sitting on your bike in the riding position, take a quick glance at the odometer, just long enough to locate the numbers.

Glance away and then back to the numbers.

You should be able to easily read the numbers in a shorter period of time than it took to locate them.

The first longer glance allows you to orient your visual field and what is in it.

You can use the same technique when checking your mirrors.
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Re: Do You "Head Check" or Just Use Mirrors?

I must have missed this post first time around.

i ride with a group of Police Motorcycle Class 1 Licence holders about every year or two and have done so for the last 10/12 years.

The first time I went out with one of them - two "trainees" to one Police chappie - I was leading and practising my "lifesaver" looks back every time I overtook etc - and this is mandatory to pass the UK test. Thinking quite smugly how well I had lead for that 30 minute session I was a bit taken aback to have the Police instructor ask why I had kept doing this.

He told me that

1. I had mirrors to keep an eye on what was happening behind and

2. Did I realise that every time I took my eyes of the road ahead it would take me 2 seconds to reacquire the "picture"

So the message was clear - the "lifesaver" had its role but don't overdo it, especially the faster one was travelling.
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Re: Do You "Head Check" or Just Use Mirrors?

I could see their logic but the mirrors on my s1000xr don't provide a great deal of confidence.

There is always the chance of a blind spot.

I am always going to take a quick glance before I change lanes.

I think it also signals to the cagers that the bike is making a lane change.
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Re: Do You "Head Check" or Just Use Mirrors?

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I must have missed this post first time around.

i ride with a group of Police Motorcycle Class 1 Licence holders about every year or two and have done so for the last 10/12 years.

The first time I went out with one of them - two "trainees" to one Police chappie - I was leading and practising my "lifesaver" looks back every time I overtook etc - and this is mandatory to pass the UK test. Thinking quite smugly how well I had lead for that 30 minute session I was a bit taken aback to have the Police instructor ask why I had kept doing this.

He told me that

1. I had mirrors to keep an eye on what was happening behind and

2. Did I realise that every time I took my eyes of the road ahead it would take me 2 seconds to reacquire the "picture"

So the message was clear - the "lifesaver" had its role but don't overdo it, especially the faster one was travelling.
Great points. Speed means a lot. But there's always that slight chance of someone being in your blind spot; like a faster rider for instance. Or some guy in a Porsche that was running you down from way behind. Great post Welshman
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Great points. Speed means a lot. But there's always that slight chance of someone being in your blind spot; like a faster rider for instance. Or some guy in a Porsche that was running you down from way behind. Great post Welshman

Jeff, thanks for your kind words!

I think the point is that there is a time and a place for a "lifesaver". For me riding on a motorway i.e. a multi lane highway, is one where if I'm pulling out into a faster lane I might use one as a motorway is one place where cars might be going faster than me.

I actually angle the mirrors so that driving over here on the RH side so any overtaking is to my left, my LH mirror is angled for the blind spot and my RH mirror is angled to look straight behind.

On a single lane road I will generally be travelling faster than all the 4 wheeled traffic. The notional Porsche driver could be a problem on a motorway but on a single carriageway road he would be stuck behind the motorhome or whatever that I had already overtaken.

The faster biker is definitely a possibility but assuming I'm not half asleep I would expect to have picked him up in my mirrors - I do actively scan my mirrors as part of my overall scan of the road ahead and behind. As the Policeman said - that's what your mirrors are for.

This brings me onto another point. There was a thread some time ago where someone posted an article on the advantages of filtering through traffic. The basic premise was that you are much safer if you have actively created a bubble of clear space around you, particularly in front of you, and that you were in more danger if you were following passively in a line of traffic. if you do the latter than a "lifesaver" is going to be much more of a requirement.

I agree with this approach. If I come up to some traffic on a single lane road then my aim is always to get past all of it as quickly and safely as I can so I have my free space in front of me which I can control much better than If I allow myself to be stuck behind a truck, caravan, motorhome or whatever.
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The principle is that if you go 5 mph faster than the others, you're controlling what's behind you and then what's ahead is easier to manage.

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Re: Do You "Head Check" or Just Use Mirrors?

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I could see their...

I am always going to take a quick glance before I change lanes.

I think it also signals to the cagers that the bike is making a lane change.

Do you really think that the drivers are looking at your helmet?

They barely watch our flashers...

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Re: Do You "Head Check" or Just Use Mirrors?

All kinds of advice and views coming through this thread.

When I first started riding I was told this.
There will always be someone slower than you.
There will always be someone faster than you.
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All kinds of advice and views coming through this thread.

When I first started riding I was told this.
There will always be someone slower than you.
There will always be someone faster than you.

And there could be a policeman behind a few cars when you stand in the middle of the road ...
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Jeff, thanks for your kind words!

I think the point is that there is a time and a place for a "lifesaver". For me riding on a motorway i.e. a multi lane highway, is one where if I'm pulling out into a faster lane I might use one as a motorway is one place where cars might be going faster than me.

I actually angle the mirrors so that driving over here on the RH side so any overtaking is to my left, my LH mirror is angled for the blind spot and my RH mirror is angled
On a single lane road I will generally be travelling faster than all the 4 wheeled traffic. The notional Porsche driver could be a problem on a motorway but on a single carriageway ...
Point taken.
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