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I have the BMW Zumo 17 11.18%
I have a Zumo 550 but have elected not to have XM at this time. 76 50.00%
I have the Zumo 550 AND I have the optional XM radio receiver. 47 30.92%
I am out of the USA and can not get XM so it is not a factor. 12 7.89%
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US Zumo 550 owners

There are a couple threads discussing the Zumo 660 and in both, the XM functionality is discussed. AZ-J and Taters have both started threads about them (click on the name for associated thread). It got me wondering, what is the percentage of people in the USA (sorry for others but the inability to receive XM leaves you out of the meat of this... but I have included a selection for you anyway) of people who actually have no desire for XM capabilities?

This is not to bash any item, just to make sense of why the feature was not built in and why they, according to AZ-J have elected to provide that in a future firmware upgrade.
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I can't fathom why they wouldn't offer XM support on the 660. This was discussed in an older thread when it was introduced back in January at the CES show.

This caused me to lose interest so I never pursued other questions I had about it such as the location (on the unit or cradle?) of an AUDIO OUT for headphones/intercom integration and if if offered an AUDIO IN for a microphone or not as it wasn't mentioned in the early info.

The Garmin site no longer mentions "Left Hand" buttons as it did in the Zumo 660 Intro Announcement.

As far as a firmware update being able to support XM on the Zumo 660, it is technically possible since the unit already has the proper connector and all the GPS is doing is acting like a GUI for the GTXM30 puck which is the actual radio and antenna.

BTW, I am not sure what Jordan (AZ-J) is talking about when he mentioned that the BMW Zumo could get a firmware update to add in XM support. AFAIK, this is not true UNLESS he is talking about wiping out the BMW firmware and installing the Garmin firmware in its place. This has supposedly been done, however, both Garmin and BMW have made it perfectly clear that if you do this, you have NO SUPPORT from either company. If the unit breaks, neither will repair or replace it.
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Re: US Zumo 550 owners

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I can't fathom why they wouldn't offer XM support on the 660. This was discussed in an older thread when it was introduced back in January at the CES show.

This caused me to lose interest so I never pursued other questions I had about it such as the location (on the unit or cradle?) of an AUDIO OUT for headphones/intercom integration and if if offered an AUDIO IN for a microphone or not as it wasn't mentioned in the early info.

The Garmin site no longer mentions "Left Hand" buttons as it did in the Zumo 660 Intro Announcement.

As far as a firmware update being able to support XM on the Zumo 660, it is technically possible since the unit already has the proper connector and all the GPS is doing is acting like a GUI for the GTXM30 puck which is the actual radio and antenna.

BTW, I am not sure what Jordan (AZ-J) is talking about when he mentioned that the BMW Zumo could get a firmware update to add in XM support. AFAIK, this is not true UNLESS he is talking about wiping out the BMW firmware and installing the Garmin firmware in its place. This has supposedly been done, however, both Garmin and BMW have made it perfectly clear that if you do this, you have NO SUPPORT from either company. If the unit breaks, neither will repair or replace it.
I didn't know anything about their plugs, would be nice to know though. I remember your find of the first "tease" for the 660. The discussion just got me wondering as to the percentage of those who actually elect to get the "puck"... just wondering if I just happen to know more who have gone for it as opposed to who has not... if my friends are a cross section of a larger group, I would say that over 60-70% have both.

I had not heard about people flashing the BMW zumo to 550 firmware, but then it is just a 550 again. I remember asking my dealer after he went to a dealers conference if they had any plans on adding it once the merger went through but he said it was not discussed (at the meeting, no idea about the designers).

The ability to upgrade using software to completely change a unit is a great capability and a testiment of how far we have come technologically.
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Re: US Zumo 550 owners

Kyle, I have the 550 without XM... I may eventually get XM and listen to some very relaxing music to help slow me down a bit. You, on the other hand, may want to listen to some really hard rock and roll to get you up to the speed limit...


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Re: US Zumo 550 owners

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Kyle, I have the 550 without XM... I may eventually get XM and listen to some very relaxing music to help slow me down a bit. You, on the other hand, may want to listen to some really hard rock and roll to get you up to the speed limit...


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I had XM in both my cars, but when they pulled the plug on internet access I dumped it. They actually sent me and e-mail stating if I renewed early, which I did, the internet access would continue. Then they pulled the plug on my internet access anyway. Their customer service sucks, and I got tired of arguing. I dropped the service completely. My thought on the 550 is the zumo only controls the receiver, which is another $200.00. If the puck was cheaper I think they would see more business, $200.00 is way out of line for a receiver with no controls. Bottom line is I picked up a couple of SD cards, and loaded the zumo with my music. For those of you with XM, Channel 46 is the equivalent of what I loaded for free.
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my 08 GT came with a zumo 550 and sat ant already on it so I picked up a year of just music from XM and I really like it so far I also have an 8 GB SD card full of music in but the sound quality of the XM is better than the sound quality of the MP3 files so I almost never listen to the MP3s
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I can't fathom why they wouldn't offer XM support on the 660. This was discussed in an older thread when it was introduced back in January at the CES show.

This caused me to lose interest so I never pursued other questions I had about it such as the location (on the unit or cradle?) of an AUDIO OUT for headphones/intercom integration and if if offered an AUDIO IN for a microphone or not as it wasn't mentioned in the early info.

The Garmin site no longer mentions "Left Hand" buttons as it did in the Zumo 660 Intro Announcement.

As far as a firmware update being able to support XM on the Zumo 660, it is technically possible since the unit already has the proper connector and all the GPS is doing is acting like a GUI for the GTXM30 puck which is the actual radio and antenna.

BTW, I am not sure what Jordan (AZ-J) is talking about when he mentioned that the BMW Zumo could get a firmware update to add in XM support. AFAIK, this is not true UNLESS he is talking about wiping out the BMW firmware and installing the Garmin firmware in its place. This has supposedly been done, however, both Garmin and BMW have made it perfectly clear that if you do this, you have NO SUPPORT from either company. If the unit breaks, neither will repair or replace it.

Hey, very nice of you to talk about me in my absence and backstab me like this (I'll leave some choice words out).

AFAIK you are an idiot or ignorant, ask your BMW dealer if the BMW Zumo has been updated to XM if you want verification. Mine knows this already.

And, the 660 has already had its first complete software update from 2.7 to 2.8 that enabled additional features, so such updates are supported.
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Hey, very nice of you to talk about me in my absence and backstab me like this (I'll leave some choice words out).

AFAIK you are an idiot or ignorant, ask your BMW dealer if the BMW Zumo has been updated to XM if you want verification. Mine knows this already.

And, the 660 has already had its first complete software update from 2.7 to 2.8 that enabled additional features, so such updates are supported.



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You can say ouch. If he wanted to talk to me about such issues, he should have PM'd me first, not backstab me.
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Hey, very nice of you to talk about me in my absence and backstab me like this (I'll leave some choice words out).

AFAIK you are an idiot or ignorant, ask your BMW dealer if the BMW Zumo has been updated to XM if you want verification. Mine knows this already.

And, the 660 has already had its first complete software update from 2.7 to 2.8 that enabled additional features, so such updates are supported.
I don't think that Randy was questioning your intelligence or your honesty, that is just not his style... I know Randy and feel confident in saying this. Randy is not a backstabbing guy... he is open when he disagrees. Personally, I am 99% sure that you may have read into his post, I hope that is the case anyway.

I believe that what he was pointing out was that the only way he knows of (and something I didn't) is flashing the memory and basically trying to make the system believe it is something it isn't which seems to have worked for some after some research on it. Your dealer may know the method and that is why he told you what he did; or, conversely he may know a method that most of us (including Randy) don't know. Your post stirred my curiosity and I think that is where Randy was headed.

You are the first posting up on the 660, I find it interesting.
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I don't think that Randy was questioning your intelligence or your honesty, that is just not his style... I know Randy and feel confident in saying this. Randy is not a backstabbing guy... he is open when he disagrees. Personally, I am 99% sure that you may have read into his post, I hope that is the case anyway.

I believe that what he was pointing out was that the only way he knows of (and something I didn't) is flashing the memory and basically trying to make the system believe it is something it isn't which seems to have worked for some after some research on it. Your dealer may know the method and that is why he told you what he did; or, conversely he may know a method that most of us (including Randy) don't know. Your post stirred my curiosity and I think that is where Randy was headed.

You are the first posting up on the 660, I find it interesting.

I know the BMW Zumo, I had one. And Randy was questioning the veracity of my knowledge! All it takes to update the Zumos is Webupdater. You don't have to "flash" them, although update 1 for the 660 had to be run from an *.exe file as Webupdater couldn't handle that update (Garmin has since released a new Webupdater that can). Like I said, too bad Randy did not check with me or his dealer first on how I knew this, making what he did backstabbing me as to the truthfullness of my knowledge.
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c'mon man, Randy isnt "backstabbing" you here. he is simply saying that as far as he knows what you stated wasnt true. Now Randy is usually pretty up on these things, but that doesnt mean he is the know all end all of them. If you have specific information that no one else has, share it, spread the data wealth.
Dont get all offended, he didnt say you lied, he said as far as he didnt know it wasnt true. these are two very different things.
He wasnt disparaging you or your knowledge.
so do you have sat radio on your BMW Zumo??
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Keep putting salt in the wound with your hearsay support of Randy. Too bad Randy can't apologize for himself once and for all for saying what I said was untrue (thus backstabbing me) when all he had to say was as far as he knew the BMW Zumo could not do XM. Those are two different things, and it is you that is confusing them.

And, you have now misread what I said, asking me if I "have sat radio on your BMW Zumo?" when as to the BMW Zumo what I said was "I had one". BMWNA cashed it out with several other BMW farkles in 10/2008 when they cashed out my one-of-a-kind F800S as a lemon. I was glad to see the BMW Zumo go with the bike, since it gave some trouble as well, and I knew it would be replaced shortly with something better, certainly much faster. The 660 is all that.

But w/o the BMW Zumo since 10/2008, I still got the email update in March 2009 when the software/firmware update was announced, giving the BMW Zumo XM capability as well as fixing some other glitches. It was also all over the boards at the Zumo forums as well. But do you want independent proof, you interfering son of a "..."? I'll refrain from name-calling.

Here, and scroll down: http://garminzumo.wikispaces.com/Versions. Notice the green check mark under the BMW Zumo column under the heading "XM Navtraffic (includes basic weather) & Radio for U.S. compatible:" Like I said, it was not hard to verify if what I said was true or not. Randy did not have to say what I said was untrue, he could of just said as far as he knew, that info was false. So what he did was backstab me as a lying. When he apologizes and admits it was he that was wrong, I'll chill.

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Pisser of a thread. When it started, nobody was backstabbing you, but now..... I'm sure that a lot of people who know Randy and Karl (a pretty seriously large number)would like to.
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Nothing different than I have seen many do or say here here to non K-bike riders, as well. So it's just business as usual, it seems.
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Nothing different than I have seen many do or say here here to non K-bike riders, as well. So it's just business as usual, it seems.

Don't think people are necessarily aware you are, or not, a K bike rider. And we don't discriminate as we have many a forum member that has other types of bikes.

You really need to lighten up, no one is backstabbing you - and certainly no one cares what you ride when we review your comments.

We don't PM each other if we are not certain an observation on a particular thread jives with what we think we know - the idea of an open forum is just that "open" - how else would we fully understand what is being discussed.

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Isn't XM Navtraffic different and separate from XM Radio? I know my BMW Zumo is capable of the Navtraffic with the addition of the GXM12 antenna but is still not capable of the XM Radio which requires the GXM30 antenna on the non-branded model.
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Couple of quick points for you AZ-J, 1st off I happen to believe your right on the facts, and the BMW Zumo can be upgraded over the WEB to receive XM. But, the way you are going about conducting yourself here makes you wrong even if your right. You have called people you don't know a host of names because you felt slighted. If your old enough to ride a bike, regardless if it's BMW, or not, than your too old to throw a tantrum, which is what you have done here. Get a thicker skin, and if you want to argue your point do it on the merits not with personal attacks.
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If you have the #12 antenna, and I believe it is not a GXM12 but instead a GTM12 antenna, you are receiving FM traffic, and I am doing the same with my 660 on the bike using the same antenna. To see if you had XM Navtraffic or XM Radio, you'd need to see what software version your BMW Zumo is running and connect a GXM30 antenna to it.
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Everybody take a deep breath.

As my last answer to justjoe shows, I'd love to, if everyone saw that Randy basically accused me of not telling the truth. So, if I don't like being called a liar, I have every right to complain. I am not ranting, but the incessant name calling whether outright or implied here is amazing. To the rest of you that can't see Randy basically accused me of not telling the truth, aka "liar" you should back off as none of it is helping.

Now, if Randy was big enough to say, I'm sorry, he could delete all these posts and we could move on. 'Nuff said, here...
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Jordan, you should meet Randy someday. You'd like him. Maybe Karl, too. Pete and Joe...for sure.
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...Jordan, you should meet Randy someday. You'd like him. Maybe Karl, too. Pete and Joe...for sure.

Bill,

I'd love to like Randy. All he needs to do is back off his comments accusing me of not telling the truth I was.

Now, Karl, I like. Pete and Joe, I have not run across enough yet to know, maybe I will one day.
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Nothing different than I have seen many do or say here here to non K-bike riders, as well. So it's just business as usual, it seems.
There are plenty of non-k riders on the site, none of them get mistreated, they are as welcome as you. The issue is that you are taking issue saying Randy did something against you and you refuse to believe people who actually know him and have said that you are not correct. Even your post of "what he could have said" is actually what he DID say yet you have a problem. You have gotten your nightie in a knot and are also lashing out at others.

Maybe just a thicker skin would be worthwhile?

In most of life, we all have choices... if you CHOOSE to remain upset at something which many of us who frequent the board and personally know Randy have said is being misunderstood, then that is the CHOICE you have made for yourself. It is impossible to logically reason someone out of a viewpoint which they hold without having formed it logically.
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If you have the #12 antenna, and I believe it is not a GXM12 but instead a GTM12 antenna, you are receiving FM traffic, and I am doing the same with my 660 on the bike using the same antenna. To see if you had XM Navtraffic or XM Radio, you'd need to see what software version your BMW Zumo is running and connect a GXM30 antenna to it.
Are you receiving FM traffic or XM traffic? Those are two distinctly different animals, two different antennas (as well as over $200 difference in price due to the fact that the Zumo really has no ability to receive XM radio, only the ability to control the radio which is one in the same with the antenna), plug in via two different places, and have two different menus (at least the in the setup in the 550 there are two different menus)?

If BMW has rectified their "crippled" product by making it equal or greater than it's nearest competitor, that would be fantastic news for many here.
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Northsquad, chilei, say what you want. This whole thread is about trying to justify a soon-to-be obsolete piece of equipment much like a 4X3 TV these days, and a moderator that basically called me out as not complaint with facts that were true. and all you want to do is pick a fight over it, not make things better. It just makes you a bunch of schoolyard bullies and their friends.
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AFAIK you are an idiot or ignorant,

I have reread Randy's reply several times and I don't get the feeling Randy was trying to back stab or call you a liar, but your reply to Randy was clear.
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Northsquad, chilei, say what you want. This whole thread is about trying to justify a soon-to-be obsolete piece of equipment much like a 4X3 TV these days, and a moderator that basically called me out as not complaint with facts that were true. and all you want to do is pick a fight over it, not make things better. It just makes you a bunch of schoolyard bullies and their friends.
You are likely right, your 142 posts over two years probably place you in a better position to judge someone you have never met than multiple people who have been active on the site longer, read thousands of his posts, and who have actually met the guy that you are so "riled" up over.

Some would say we are just trying to help you out and point out a side you don't see. As I said in my previous post... you did not use logic to form your opinion so I have no possibility to point out logic to get you to see it... it is not an inability on your part, it is unwillingness.

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Let's analyze Randy's statements.

1. I am not sure what Jordan (AZ-J) is talking about when he mentioned that the BMW Zumo could get a firmware update to add in XM support.

Implies strongly he is uncertain if what I said was true.

2. AFAIK, this is not true UNLESS he is talking about wiping out the BMW firmware and installing the Garmin firmware in its place. This has supposedly been done, however, both Garmin and BMW have made it perfectly clear that if you do this, you have NO SUPPORT from either company.

Makes clear an attempt to make happen what I said was true and legimate, illegimate and would void a warranty, with the firm consequences of "do not do so, because..." Therefore, he attempted to say what Jordan said was untrue, when it was true.

You can make up whatever you want, I know what the above says. I won't ask what you call someone who says what you said is untrue, it is pretty clear to me.
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Let's analyze Randy's statements.

1. I am not sure what Jordan (AZ-J) is talking about when he mentioned that the BMW Zumo could get a firmware update to add in XM support.

Implies strongly he is uncertain if what I said was true.
No, he said he was not sure what you meant as to if anyone could get firmware update to add it... absolutely an impossibly long stretch to get to... "he is a liar" as you are claiming.

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2. AFAIK, this is not true UNLESS he is talking about wiping out the BMW firmware and installing the Garmin firmware in its place. This has supposedly been done, however, both Garmin and BMW have made it perfectly clear that if you do this, you have NO SUPPORT from either company.
AFAIK... As Far As I Know... this means that he is not all knowing and there MAY be a method to do it but he does not know it. He DOES know of a way to do it but it voids warranties. Again, an impossibly long stretch to come close to saying you are a liar... he is merely stating his knowledge of the situation.
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Makes clear an attempt to make happen what I said was true and legimate, illegimate and would void a warranty, with the firm consequences of "do not do so, because..." Therefore, he attempted to say what Jordan said was untrue, when it was true.
Again, he did not say that what you said was untrue, he said that the only way HE KNOWS to do this will void the warranty, again, to come up with him saying you are a liar is a HUGE stretch and one could say is impossible... unless you are now saying that HE is a liar and that you both have EXACTLY the same knowledge. If you have information, we would like to hear it but this illogical conclusion you have reached is asinine. For the record... YES, I did say that your conclusion is asinine... NO I did not say that you are asinine nor did I say you were a liar... just wrong.
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You can make up whatever you want, I know what the above says. I won't ask what you call someone who says what you said is untrue, it is pretty clear to me.
Nothing made up at all... you looked at Randy's post, DECIDED to find a way to be pissed off, and DECIDED to follow that emotion. You have read numerous people who have FAR more insight than you do into the man and the issue, you have seen our opinions and still ignored them. You are the one making up what you want... either get over it or don't, I will sleep the same tonight regardless... I have far more important things to do than debate a child's reasoning in an attempt to help you out by using logic, facts, reason to show why you are wrong.

You are soooo worked up over such a simple and easily understood post, if this is the type of thing that get's you this worked up you must be a very bitter person. Frankly I can not understand why you are so worked up, but you won't listen to people who have stated that you are wrong, people who know the people involved, and people who have read the EXACT same words as you who have also said that you are reading into it. Life is too short, if such a thing get's you so worked up and you are so thin skinned, EVEN IF Randy meant it as you say... then you should avoid the internet completely and likely should just have meals delivered to your house because I can't imagine what else you get worked up over after your reaction to this little item (and again, EVEN IF Randy meant it as you took it (though he didn't) you are overreacting).

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Sorry Jordan, I think you are reaching. I would say let it go. I do not see the insult, nor do I see where Randy called you a liar. His post uses terms like "I am not sure" and gives another opinion as to what he sees as correct.

I do look forward to meeting you. I do not hold a bias towards owners of other motorcycles. I do not take Randy's side to all arguments (how boring that would be) nor do I feel it necessary to defend his statements. I do think it is appropriate to point out another view though and hope you take my opinion as a good willed gesture to get beyond this misunderstanding.

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Let's analyze Randy's statements.

1. I am not sure what Jordan (AZ-J) is talking about when he mentioned that the BMW Zumo could get a firmware update to add in XM support.

Implies strongly he is uncertain if what I said was true.

2. AFAIK, this is not true UNLESS he is talking about wiping out the BMW firmware and installing the Garmin firmware in its place. This has supposedly been done, however, both Garmin and BMW have made it perfectly clear that if you do this, you have NO SUPPORT from either company.

Makes clear an attempt to make happen what I said was true and legimate, illegimate and would void a warranty, with the firm consequences of "do not do so, because..." Therefore, he attempted to say what Jordan said was untrue, when it was true.

You can make up whatever you want, I know what the above says. I won't ask what you call someone who says what you said is untrue, it is pretty clear to me.
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Northsquad, chilei, say what you want. This whole thread is about trying to justify a soon-to-be obsolete piece of equipment much like a 4X3 TV these days, and a moderator that basically called me out as not complaint with facts that were true. and all you want to do is pick a fight over it, not make things better. It just makes you a bunch of schoolyard bullies and their friends.

Your doing it again, talking trash about people you don't know. I guess you can't help yourself, but I would like to straighten you out on a few points. First I only know one person on this site personally, and only met him once. He has not participated in this thread at all he's probably way to smart for that. Secondly I'm no bullie, in fact I have spent the majority of my life standing up to bullies, in and out of this Country. The purpose of this board is to meet people, exchange ideas, make new friends. How the hell are you going to do that now?
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FWIW Randy has been at the BRPR and has not seen this thread...yet.
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thanks Pete, I figured he was there and off line, that is why I tried to explain to Jordan that he was taking this the wrong way.

Jordan I am sure that when Randy gets back online he will respond to you himself.
I doubt he will delete this thread as we usually let stuff stand unless it gets far further out of hand than this has. look at the bright side years from now we can drag it up and laugh about it.
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I believe you gents are missing the point.

Randy said all of what he said, knowing what I said in another thread, attempting to discredit it and explain why not to do it, or how impossible it was to do, when many had done it already. He did so without PM'ing me if I was certain of my facts, or asking how I knew this, and without checking his facts. This was all to prove what I had said was not possible legitimately as far as he knew, when I was correct it was absolutely legitimate.

I'll repeat, I believe you gents are missing the point.

If Randy can't see what he did was to discredit me as to what I said when I was yet to be part of this thread, then too bad on him.
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FWIW... we DID have a great time at BRPR, some quality riding and a WHOLE lot of banter! Rain stayed away for the most part, but no rain could dampen the time!
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How come we don't have one of those smilies with the guy eating the popcorn?
Are you calling me a liar?

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Jordan,

I don't know you nor do I have an axe to grind with you. I haven't looked at any of your other posts to see what you ride or support. I couldn't care less what type of bike you own. You have been reaching far in many of your comments and need to chill out.

You completely misunderstood my post. Kyle explained it perfectly so I won't re-analyze it, but, the bottom line is that I wasn't intending to insult you nor was I questioning your knowledge. I am sorry if you took it the wrong way.

What I stated was to the best of my knowledge at the time. Due to your posts, I have since read a few posts on other forums that stated that in March of 2009 (not long ago) there was indeed an update for the BMW Zumo to add XM support. I was not aware of this nor did I have the time to research it before my quick post before I left town. I don't own a BMW Zumo so I would not have a reason to stay on top of every detail. I saw no need to PM you as it wasn't meant as anything negative to you...I was just cautioning against flashing a BMW Zumo with Garmin firmware before I headed out of town and offline for a week.

I hope that Garmin chooses to do the same with the new Zumo. At that point in time I will look at it again, but, for now, it isn't a unit for me as I already own a Zumo 550 and two Nuvi units.

BTW, I never questioned if the BMW Zumo or the new Zumo could be updated or not and am very much aware of the Webupdater you felt the need to inform me about. I am also aware of several non-public software utilities for the Garmin units as I am an authorized dealer and have been for many years.

In post #37 you also stated that I said "how impossible it was to do" yet, in post #2 I clearly stated "As far as a firmware update being able to support XM on the Zumo 660, it is technically possible since the unit already has the proper connector and all the GPS is doing is acting like a GUI for the GTXM30 puck which is the actual radio and antenna." So, should I get all bent out of shape and call you a lair? No, you made a simple mistake and forgot what was said and posted without checking it out first. See how easy it is to post up something that isn't correct? It happens. Nobody is perfect.


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Let's analyze Randy's statements.

1. I am not sure what Jordan (AZ-J) is talking about when he mentioned that the BMW Zumo could get a firmware update to add in XM support.

Implies strongly he is uncertain if what I said was true.

2. AFAIK, this is not true UNLESS he is talking about wiping out the BMW firmware and installing the Garmin firmware in its place. This has supposedly been done, however, both Garmin and BMW have made it perfectly clear that if you do this, you have NO SUPPORT from either company.

Makes clear an attempt to make happen what I said was true and legimate, illegimate and would void a warranty, with the firm consequences of "do not do so, because..." Therefore, he attempted to say what Jordan said was untrue, when it was true.

You can make up whatever you want, I know what the above says. I won't ask what you call someone who says what you said is untrue, it is pretty clear to me.

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Thank you, Randy. I am glad to see your post. All ranting done. Now, all, can we please move forward?

The poll here is essentially invalid as the BMW Zumo can do XM and it implies it cannot. I'd like to stats from those BMW Zumo owners how many "upgraded" to getting the GXM30 when the update occurred. That was 3/9/2009 so several months have gone by.

I know I would not have, if I still had the BMW Zumo, as a 2 GB SD card with about 300 songs in random was fine for most trips.

I am currently using an 8 GB micro SD card in my 660 with 230+ songs, but several on the Zumo Forum @ www.zumoforums.com report no issues wwhatsoever handling 1400+ songs. I code my music in 192 to 256 kbps so while it may not be quite CD quality, but it is just fine on the PC and the Zumo, and that 230+ songs is 9% of the card.
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The poll really should be for whoever uses a GPS and listens to music with it:

1. I use a GPS and listen to MP3 music along with it.

2. I use a Zumo 550 with XM

Maybe we should include a #3 I use a GPS and do not play music along with it, but if the premise really is, how necessary XM is, you either use mp3 music or XM, and nothing else matters except that you must be in the US, since XM is mostly unavailable elsewhere.

And for anyone that cares, I use FM traffic on the 660 on the bike and MSN traffic, weather, news, stocks, local events, gas, etc, in the car, and for traffic FM wins as more accurate and up to date, hands down. I can't vouch for XM Navtraffic, but my wife's car GPS uses it. It is a distant third to MSN and FM traffic in real-time performance.
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The poll really should be for whoever uses a GPS and listens to music with it:

1. I use a GPS and listen to MP3 music along with it.

2. I use a Zumo 550 with XM

Maybe we should include a #3 I use a GPS and do not play music along with it, but if the premise really is, how necessary XM is, you either use mp3 music or XM, and nothing else matters except that you must be in the US, since XM is mostly unavailable elsewhere.
When I put up the poll, I didn't include MP3 capability because it did not have any bearing on why I posted the question. I posted it because after your thread, I knew that most of my friends that have the 550 have the "puck", yet Garmin had made the decision to leave it off the 660. So my question was if my experience with my friends represented the greater population, that is why I only asked about XM and why I specified only US responders.

As far as a BMW completed upgrade to the XM radio... no problem adding that to the poll at all. Though I have only seen your posts saying this is so... the Garmin site has left it off on their BMW Zumo page (https://buy.garmin.com/shop/shop.do?pID=8688). I am not sure who runs the wiki page you posted, it is locked so there is some controls but by who is the question. The Garmin site does not list it as far as I have seen.
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And for anyone that cares, I use FM traffic on the 660 on the bike and MSN traffic, weather, news, stocks, local events, gas, etc, in the car, and for traffic FM wins as more accurate and up to date, hands down. I can't vouch for XM Navtraffic, but my wife's car GPS uses it. It is a distant third to MSN and FM traffic in real-time performance.
Very interesting, I have not seen the comparison between the two. I also did not know that you get news, stocks etc on it. Garmin says in their manual that the Zumo will give stock quotes and other options but it doesn't (the manual points you to a place in the menu that does not even exist, yes, I contacted Garmin.) I don't worry about the stock quotes (other than the red \/ arrow would tell me that Obama gave a speech), but the features the manual says are available in XM would be useful.
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When I put up the poll, I didn't include MP3 capability because it did not have any bearing on why I posted the question. I posted it because after your thread, I knew that most of my friends that have the 550 have the "puck", yet Garmin had made the decision to leave it off the 660. So my question was if my experience with my friends represented the greater population, that is why I only asked about XM and why I specified only US responders.

As far as a BMW completed upgrade to the XM radio... no problem adding that to the poll at all. Though I have only seen your posts saying this is so... the Garmin site has left it off on their BMW Zumo page (https://buy.garmin.com/shop/shop.do?pID=8688). I am not sure who runs the wiki page you posted, it is locked so there is some controls but by who is the question. The Garmin site does not list it as far as I have seen.


The wiki is run by one of the moderators of the zumoforums, so take that for what its worth. Also see here http://www.r1200gs.info/forum/showthread.php?p=8254 and here http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...1&postcount=30 located in a very quick Google search.
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The wiki is run by one of the moderators of the zumoforums, so take that for what its worth. Also see here http://www.r1200gs.info/forum/showthread.php?p=8254 and here http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...1&postcount=30 located in a very quick Google search.
Actually the best information was inside the adv thread but only another link... this is what I was looking for, it is not from a forum, not from a wiki, and actually comes from not only a known source but directly from THE source. Personally, Wiki's give something to search from but like forums, I don't trust something just because I saw it on a forum or on a wiki, I have seen a lot of "keyboard heros" who don't know what the hell they are talking about (one or two here on this forum also). My google searches were not coming up with reliable sources and seemed to be a mix of non-related old info (not the zumo), forum discussions, or straight Zumo info. No offense but most of the sources you seemed to be citing just didn't pass the vetting process for reliable information (until the last forum post with a link to the manufactures site providing the information).

I am curious as to why BMW would not do more to put this out there... with the extended warranty provided with the BMW unit and the lack of a crippled product, the price point starts to improve. I would have expected to see an add in ON, placards at the dealer, ads, etc... as it doesn't seem to be new ability, just new knowledge.

Thanks for the information though, I would not have known it otherwise.
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Here, http://www8.garmin.com/support/downl...ls.jsp?id=3903, the Garmin site literally says "Enabled XM satellite radio support. Requires GXM-30 accessory" for

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Here, http://www8.garmin.com/support/downl...ls.jsp?id=3903, the Garmin site literally says "Enabled XM satellite radio support. Requires GXM-30 accessory" for

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Yep, that is the exact link that I had posted and stated that I had found it in the ADV forum link that you posted. That's what my last post was all about.

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I like it, and they were great to deal with, too. Now, seat #1 (the red one) is going to get the treatment.
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