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SPOILER - Mugello MotoGP

FP 1 & 2 are in the books, the question is, can anything aside from a mechanical issue, or anyone stop Marquez, when the green light flashes. Michele Pirro had a big crash in FP2. FP 2 times below FP1


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Free Practice (1) results from the 2018 Italian MotoGP at Mugello, round 6 of 19.

Iannone leads FP1 for his home Italian MotoGP, ahead of Ducati wild-card Pirro...


1. Andrea Iannone ITA Suzuki Ecstar (GSX-RR) 1m 47.253s [Lap 18/18] 343km/h (Top Speed)
2. Michele Pirro ITA Ducati Team (GP18) 1m 47.803s +0.550s [5/16] 355k
3. Andrea Dovizioso ITA Ducati Team (GP18) 1m 47.961s +0.708s [6/16] 353k
4. Maverick Viñales ESP Movistar Yamaha (YZR-M1) 1m 47.995s +0.742s [7/18] 345k
5. Jack Miller AUS Pramac Ducati (GP17) 1m 48.035s +0.782s [18/19] 343k
6. Marc Marquez ESP Repsol Honda (RC213V) 1m 48.035s +0.782s [6/18] 345k
7. Franco Morbidelli ITA EG 0,0 Marc VDS (RC213V)* 1m 48.211s +0.958s [15/19] 341k
8. Valentino Rossi ITA Movistar Yamaha (YZR-M1) 1m 48.218s +0.965s [5/19] 343k
9. Jorge Lorenzo ESP Ducati Team (GP18) 1m 48.219s +0.966s [5/18] 344k
10. Cal Crutchlow GBR LCR Honda (RC213V) 1m 48.229s +0.976s [9/17] 347k
11. Johann Zarco FRA Monster Yamaha Tech3 (YZR-M1) 1m 48.272s +1.019s [18/19] 342k
12. Alex Rins ESP Suzuki Ecstar (GSX-RR) 1m 48.274s +1.021s [5/19] 342k
13. Danilo Petrucci ITA Pramac Ducati (GP18) 1m 48.304s +1.051s [7/19] 352k
14. Aleix Espargaro ESP Factory Aprilia Gresini (RS-GP) 1m 48.384s +1.131s [9/16]
15. Pol Espargaro ESP Red Bull KTM Factory (RC16) 1m 48.570s +1.317s [13/18] 344k
16. Karel Abraham CZE Angel Nieto Team (GP16) 1m 48.573s +1.320s [16/16] 349k
17. Dani Pedrosa ESP Repsol Honda (RC213V) 1m 48.669s +1.416s [6/19] 344k
18. Takaaki Nakagami JPN LCR Honda (RC213V)* 1m 48.878s +1.625s [12/20] 340k
19. Alvaro Bautista ESP Angel Nieto Team (GP17) 1m 48.920s +1.667s [18/20] 345k
20. Bradley Smith GBR Red Bull KTM Factory (RC16) 1m 49.086s +1.833s [18/19] 344k
21. Tito Rabat ESP Reale Avintia (GP17) 1m 49.181s +1.928s [16/17] 346k
22. Thomas Luthi SWI EG 0,0 Marc VDS (RC213V)* 1m 49.460s +2.207s [12/15] 334k
23. Scott Redding GBR Factory Aprilia Gresini (RS-GP) 1m 49.499s +2.246s [6/13] 340k
24. Hafizh Syahrin MAL Monster Yamaha Tech3 (YZR-M1)* 1m 49.650s +2.397s [16/17] 336k
25. Xavier Simeon ESP Reale Avintia (GP16)* 1m 50.315s +3.062s [16/17] 346k


FP 2 - Somebody lit a fire under Ianone's ass....


1. Andrea Iannone ITA Suzuki Ecstar (GSX-RR) 1m 46.735s [Lap 20/21] 343km/h (Top Speed)
2. Maverick Viñales ESP Movistar Yamaha (YZR-M1) 1m 47.122s +0.387s [21/23] 346k
3. Marc Marquez ESP Repsol Honda (RC213V) 1m 47.218s +0.483s [12/21] 348k
4. Johann Zarco FRA Monster Yamaha Tech3 (YZR-M1) 1m 47.365s +0.630s [21/22] 344k
5. Jack Miller AUS Pramac Ducati (GP17) 1m 47.403s +0.668s [19/21] 341k
6. Cal Crutchlow GBR LCR Honda (RC213V) 1m 47.433s +0.698s [20/21] 351k
7. Valentino Rossi ITA Movistar Yamaha (YZR-M1) 1m 47.445s +0.710s [20/21] 343k
8. Franco Morbidelli ITA EG 0,0 Marc VDS (RC213V)* 1m 47.497s +0.762s [13/20] 344k
9. Danilo Petrucci ITA Pramac Ducati (GP18) 1m 47.569s +0.834s [21/21] 351k
10. Jorge Lorenzo ESP Ducati Team (GP18) 1m 47.691s +0.956s [21/22] 345k
11 Takaaki Nakagami JPN LCR Honda (RC213V)* 1m 47.901s +1.166s [22/22] 343k
12 Andrea Dovizioso ITA Ducati Team (GP18) 1m 47.902s +1.167s [4/21] 356k
13 Dani Pedrosa ESP Repsol Honda (RC213V) 1m 47.924s +1.189s [20/20] 346k
14 Hafizh Syahrin MAL Monster Yamaha Tech3 (YZR-M1)* 1m 47.946s +1.211s [19/20] 341k
15 Alex Rins ESP Suzuki Ecstar (GSX-RR) 1m 47.996s +1.261s [19/22] 344k
16 Aleix Espargaro ESP Factory Aprilia Gresini (RS-GP) 1m 48.113s +1.378s [15/17] 344k
17 Tito Rabat ESP Reale Avintia (GP17) 1m 48.221s +1.486s [13/20] 347k
18 Pol Espargaro ESP Red Bull KTM Factory (RC16) 1m 48.269s +1.534s [19/20] 347k
19 Scott Redding GBR Factory Aprilia Gresini (RS-GP) 1m 48.458s +1.723s [17/18] 344k
20 Alvaro Bautista ESP Angel Nieto Team (GP17) 1m 48.524s +1.789s [19/21] 345k
21 Karel Abraham CZE Angel Nieto Team (GP16) 1m 48.926s +2.191s [12/17] 345k
22 Bradley Smith GBR Red Bull KTM Factory (RC16) 1m 49.044s +2.309s [4/18] 344k
23 Thomas Luthi SWI EG 0,0 Marc VDS (RC213V)* 1m 49.082s +2.347s [5/21] 339k
24 Michele Pirro ITA Ducati Team (GP18) 1m 49.111s +2.376s [5/5] 355k
25 Xavier Simeon ESP Reale Avintia (GP16)* 1m 49.757s +3.022s [19/19] 345k
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Re: SPOILER - Mugello MotoGP

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FP 2 - Somebody lit a fire under Ianone's ass....



Well, seeing he won't be riding a Suzuki next year and may still be negotiating a seat on another bike, I guess he's trying to impress his potential new masters.

Or he's giving the bird to his current ones saying something along the lines of "see what you are going to miss"
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Re: SPOILER - Mugello MotoGP

And how about a new top speed record,

"It was a dramatic Friday at the Gran Premio d’Italia Oakley, with some big headlines, a shake-up on the timesheets and a record broken as Andrea Dovizioso (Ducati Team) became the fastest man in MotoGP™ when he set a new top speed record of 356.4km/h..."


In real money that's 221 mph
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Vale went from 8th to 7th! A second of the pace...


Big improvement...
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Re: SPOILER - Mugello MotoGP

All a bit of a minor detail compared to Pirro’s get off if you ever want to know how good carbon brakes are!!!!
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All a bit of a minor detail compared to Pirro’s get off

Yeah, no kidding,

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How he's not dead, I don't know. The brutality of the impact of his helmet with the ground is nauseating.




Marquez crashed losing it at the end of the straight several years ago, too, I believe. At something like 200mph.
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Damn, Pirro's crash was horrific. Thankfully it looks like overall he's ok.


"Dr Angel Charte, Medical Director, gave an udpate on the Ducati rider following the incident and first checks. The Ducati Team later tweeted to confirm that the Italian has concussion and had dislocated his shoulder, adding that Pirro will remain in hospital overnight."


"Pirro also posted on Facebook, saying, "I played a joker today! A bit battered and bruised but I'm tough.""
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That qualifying was unexpected...
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Rossi on pole, who'd a thunk it? New lap record too! Go Old Man Go!

Rossi On Pole at Mugello MotoGP; Lorenzo Second, Maverick Third


Saturday, June 2, 2018
Pos. Rider Team Bike Time


1 Valentino Rossi Movistar Yamaha MotoGP Yamaha YZR-M1 1:46.208
2 Jorge Lorenzo Ducati Team Ducati GP18 1:46.243
3 Maverick Vinales Movistar Yamaha MotoGP Yamaha YZR-M1 1:46.304
4 Andrea Iannone Team SUZUKI ECSTAR Suzuki GSX-RR 1:46.347
5 Danilo Petrucci Alma Pramac Racing Ducati GP18 1:46.445
6 Marc Marquez Repsol Honda Team Honda RC213V 1:46.454
7 Andrea Dovizioso Ducati Team Ducati GP18 1:46.500
8 Cal Crutchlow LCR Honda Honda RC213V 1:46.813
9 Johann Zarco Monster Yamaha Tech 3 Yamaha YZR-M1 1:46.830
10 Alex Rins Team SUZUKI ECSTAR Suzuki GSX-RR 1:46.909
11 Jack Miller Alma Pramac Racing Ducati GP18 1:46.998
12 Franco Morbidelli Team EG 0,0 Marc VDS Honda RC213V 1:47.002
13 Tito Rabat Reale Avintia Racing Ducati 1:46.908
14 Hafizh Syahrin Monster Yamaha Tech 3 Yamaha YZR-M1 1:47.188
15 Pol Espargaro Red Bull KTM Factory Racing KTM 1:47.335
16 Alvaro Bautista Pull&Bear Aspar Team Ducati 1:47.708
17 Bradley Smith Red Bull KTM Factory Racing KTM 1:47.818
18 Takaaki Nakagami LCR Honda IDEMITSU Honda RC213V 1:47.868
19 Thomas Luthi Team EG 0,0 Marc VDS Honda RC213V 1:47.989
20 Dani Pedrosa Repsol Honda Team Honda RC213V 1:48.065
21 Aleix Espargaro Aprilia Racing Team Gresini Aprilia RS-GP 1:48.286
22 Karel Abraham Ángel Nieto Team Ducati 1:48.532
23 Scott Redding Octo Pramac Racing Ducati 1:48.744
24 Xavier Simeon Reale Avintia Racing Ducati 1:48.794
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Re: SPOILER - Mugello MotoGP

Damn, looked like the Lorenzo of old today, grabbed the hole shot, and never looked back, won by a bunch, Dovi 2nd and Rossi hung in to take 3rd, the Ducati's had 10-12 mph over the field on the long front straight which made a difference,

Lots of crashers, including Marquez who crashed in the early laps, not being able to save the low side on his knee and elbow for once. Result, finished out of the points, and in his typical overly aggressive style he nearly took out Petrucci in the first corner of the first lap.
Another rough time for Pedrosa, crashed out lap 1.

The points have really tightened up on the championship chase. Race results here:

http://www.superbikeplanet.com/resul...gello-lorenzo/

Results of the Italian GP of Mugello: LORENZO
Marquez crashes out …

Sunday, June 3, 2018
Pos. Rider Team Bike Time/Gap

1 Jorge Lorenzo Ducati Team Ducati GP18 41:43.230
2 Andrea Dovizioso Ducati Team Ducati GP18 6.370
3 Valentino Rossi Movistar Yamaha MotoGP Yamaha YZR-M1 6.629
4 Andrea Iannone Team SUZUKI ECSTAR Suzuki GSX-RR 7.885
5 Alex Rins Team SUZUKI ECSTAR Suzuki GSX-RR 7.907
6 Cal Crutchlow LCR Honda Honda RC213V 9.120
7 Danilo Petrucci Alma Pramac Racing Ducati GP18 10.898
8 Maverick Vinales Movistar Yamaha MotoGP Yamaha YZR-M1 11.060
9 Alvaro Bautista Pull&Bear Aspar Team Ducati 11.154
10 Johann Zarco Monster Yamaha Tech 3 Yamaha YZR-M1 17.644
11 Pol Espargaro Red Bull KTM Factory Racing KTM 20.256
12 Hafizh Syahrin Monster Yamaha Tech 3 Yamaha YZR-M1 22.435
13 Tito Rabat Reale Avintia Racing Ducati 22.464
14 Bradley Smith Red Bull KTM Factory Racing KTM 22.495
15 Franco Morbidelli Team EG 0,0 Marc VDS Honda RC213V 26.644
16 Marc Marquez Repsol Honda Team Honda RC213V 39.311
17 Xavier Simeon Reale Avintia Racing Ducati 1:01.211
18 Takaaki Nakagami LCR Honda IDEMITSU Honda RC213V 5 LAPS
19 Aleix Espargaro Aprilia Racing Team Gresini Aprilia RS-GP 4 LAPS
20 Jack Miller Alma Pramac Racing Ducati GP18 22 LAPS
21 Thomas Luthi Team EG 0,0 Marc VDS Honda RC213V 22 LAPS
22 Dani Pedrosa Repsol Honda Team Honda RC213V 0 LAPS
23 Karel Abraham Ángel Nieto Team Ducati 0 LAPS
24 Scott Redding Octo Pramac Racing Ducati 0 LAPS
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Pretty nice to watch 'old' Lorenzo. Seems like it's too little too late from articles after the race. A shame. If both of them get that bike figured out it could get ugly for the rest of the field.

Nice to see Alvaro Bautista back in form! I've followed him as a fan for so long, from the early 250cc days. Maybe he needs the same fuel tank mods as Lorenzo . He could be on his way out of MotoGP if they can't get things figured out.

Baffled by Zarco's poor showing today. Not much word on what's going on, but this doesn't seem normal.

I hate it that I smile when Marquez crashes... but dog gone it he's difficult to get behind and root for. I feel he did deserve a penalty for that clash with Petrucci.

What is it with all these English riders? I want to root for them, but the current ones which exhibit major attitude make it difficult as well. Does Bradley Smith feel WSBK is beneath him?? Can you say back marker?! Maybe he should go to Moto 2... he and Sam Lowes can share that title that seems to be a forgone conclusion.

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I hate it that I smile when Marquez crashes... but dog gone it he's difficult to get behind and root for. I feel he did deserve a penalty for that clash with Petrucci.


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What is it with all these English riders?

Rumor has it that Johnny Rea might be taking Pedrosa's seat next season.

As for Marquez, yeah, I too smile when he falls off, and I don't feel guilty about it. At some point he's going to go too far with regard to his disregard for other riders. Sure, incidental contact between riders is going to happen, but with Marquez its almost an occurrence at every race.

Here's bit on Petrucci:

Italian MotoGP: Petrucci's work 'wasted' by Marquez incident

https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/89...rquez-incident

MotoGP - Peter McLaren - 4 Jun 2018

'We said that if a rider ruins the race of another rider, he should be penalised' – Danilo Petrucci.

Danilo Petrucci felt his home Italian MotoGP chances were 'half ruined' when he was pushed wide by Marc Marquez on the opening lap at Mugello.

The Pramac Ducati rider exited the first turn in third place after Marquez ran wide, but was then forced off track when the Repsol Honda rider dived for the inside at Turn two.

The incident saw the Italian lose half-a-dozen places before fighting his way up the order to third by the middle stages.

However his planned strategy of saving the tyre had gone out of the window and Petrucci suffered in the later laps, fading to seventh as a small fuel pump issue also cost him some power.

"It's a shame, because you work for the entire weekend to try to manage the tyre, you try to think of a strategy," said Petrucci, who had qualified in fifth. "I was thinking, OK, I'm not a good starter, but I did two starts per free practice, to work on my weak point. And it worked.

"But then Márquez went wide at the first corner, and then at the second corner, he went wide again, but I was in the middle. I was just lucky that the runoff area wasn't gravel, but I only stayed on the asphalt by one centimetre.

"I lost six or seven positions. I was maybe ninth or tenth on the first lap. Then I recovered six positions, trying to pass Crutchlow, Rins, Iannone, Rossi, Zarco.

"I pushed very very hard, but it was not in my plan. My plan was to stay quite calm in the first part of the race to try to save the tyre for the second part, but at five laps to go I was over my tyre consumption. And it was very very hard to keep the pace of Rossi and Iannone.

"Then the bike was difficult to manage, we got a small problem with the fuel pump, so I didn't have the same power of the start of the race. So very very difficult to manage. Unfortunately we lost even the top five. Still in the championship we are there, only nine points to the second place, but we missed an opportunity today.

"Half of the race was ruined on the first lap. When you are third at the first corner and at the second, you are tenth, all the work you did in qualifying is wasted."

Should Marquez have been given a penalty?

"I don't know, I'm not the Race Director, but I think the Race Director should do something," Petrucci said.

"In the Safety Commission in Austin, we said that if a rider ruins the race of another rider, he should be penalised.

"I was third, and then tenth at the next corner. He put me out of the track, and I was quite lucky that the runoff area was asphalt, because if it was a corner later, I would be in the gravel and would maybe crash."

Petrucci was especially aggrieved given the criticism he received for contact with Aleix Espargaro in Argentina, which caused the Aprilia rider to run wide.

"I did, not the same thing, because Espargaro didn't go out of the track in Argentina, and I was painted as a killer. And so I'm not always complaining, but you waste today the work of a lot of people, and for sure I have to give my 110% to recover.

"But it was not in the plan to push a lot in the first laps, but when you are tenth or ninth, what should you do? Stay there?

"If I know I will finish seventh, maybe I will stay there, and I could finish in fifth position, but my target today was to be on the podium. I stayed there for some part of the race.

"Anyway, I would like to thank my team, because in this race there was a lot of pressure. The target was the podium, but for a non-factory team to say that the target was the podium and then to stay in the podium positions for half of the race was for me a great race."

Marquez said of the incident: "I was trying to push a lot in the first two laps because Jorge and the guys with the soft tyre were there. In Turn 2 we were three bikes together and I don't know if the bike next to me was a Yamaha or a Suzuki and I realised that Petrucci went in so quick and I was [nearly] touching him from the back; if that happened we would have crashed.

"So I tried to ‘go in’ and release but we lost a lot of time, him more than me, but this is something in Turn 2 that is difficult control at the start."

Was there any connection between the incident with Marquez and the fuel pump problem?

"No, we only discovered the problem with the fuel pump after the race. I felt only a little bit less power."

Petrucci, tipped to replace Sunday's winner Jorge Lorenzo at the factory Ducati team next season, is sixth in the world championship but only nine points from second place Valentino Rossi.
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Interesting to read that someone smiles when Marquez crashes.
I don't smile when any rider crashes, even that insufferable big mouth 9 times World Champion.
Want them to finish the race, and get concerned that they might get hurt.


That Petrucci said something about Marquez is very cheeky of him... he's run wild across the track and almost took Marquez out in occasion.
It's interesting how Marquez never complains... He's one solid man, and have no trouble rooting for him. In fact, I root for Marquez and Zarco (90/10).


I'm very, very happy that Lorenzo was able to make some progress in the Ducati.
At first glance, it might seem that Lorenzo was the culprit... but Ducati has a reputation for not listening to their riders. A well cemented reputation, that other talented riders were not able to fight against.


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I hope that Lorenzo can work it out with Ducati. I love it when there are more competitive riders so that Marquez doesn't get bored just doing a Lorenzo (his words).
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..normally happens when the person smiling has shit4brains.

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When Marquez crashed I was amazed by how he rode it out. I really thought he was going to pull it out, stand it up and keep going. Or at least I wouldn't have been surprised if he had done that! The only upside to him crashing is the championship points got a little tighter. Maybe Petrucci will nudge him off the track at the next race, or Dovi, or Rossi, or Vinales or Espargaro and/or the rest of the pack that has been subjected to his reckless behavior this year alone.



I'm happy for Dovi and wished he had been able to catch Lorenzo. And Rossi is like the energizer bunny, when is this old man going to slow down?
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After what has gone on today with Pedrosa i’d Say all bets are currently off about anything
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After what has gone on today with Pedrosa i’d Say all bets are currently off about anything

No surprise really, I wonder if we'll actually see Lorenzo on the Honda, or will it be Johnny Rea or someone else?

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Dani Pedrosa to leave Repsol Honda at the end of the 2018 MotoGP season.

Dani Pedrosa will leave Honda at the end of the 2018 season 'by mutual agreement', ending a partnership that began in the 125cc class in 2002 and includes 13 consecutive seasons at the factory's official MotoGP team.

The Spaniard, a 125cc and double 250cc world champion before joining Repsol Honda in 2006, is the most successful rider without a premier-class title.

Pedrosa has claimed 31 victories and finished as world championship runner-up in 2007, 2010 and again in 2012 - when he took seven wins, one more than champion Jorge Lorenzo.

Since 2013, Pedrosa has been team-mate to Marc Marquez, who has won four titles and currently leads this year's standings by 23-points.

"I want to thank HRC for all these years of great success," Pedrosa said. "I have grown not only as a rider but also as a person with them. I will always have HRC in my memories and in my heart. In life we all need new challenges and I feel it’s time for a change. Thanks, HRC."

"Today is a sad day for me," said HRC president Yoshishige Nomura. "On behalf of HRC, I want to thank Dani for all his hard and successful work, and to express our gratitude for these two decades together. We also wish him the very best of luck and success. Thanks, Dani."

The 32-year-old has been a race winner in every grand prix season since 2002, but is only twelfth in this year's championship standings after crashing out of three of the opening six races, suffering injuries in the Argentina and Jerez incidents.

The latest rumours suggest Sunday's Italian MotoGP winner Jorge Lorenzo could partner Marquez at Repsol Honda next season, with Pedrosa possibly switching to the proposed new satellite Yamaha team backed by Petronas.
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WOW!


That'd be interesting to see how they develop a Honda for two very different riders.
otherwise, one will have to adapt to the other's bike.
In other words, an exercise in frustration for Lorenzo, but what other choices does he have?
Hope HRC does the right thing by him.
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You’d need one helluva Chrystal ball currently but if I was having a bet I go with HRC snatching Mir from under the noses of Suzuki or maybe at a push Miller with the exception of Marquez the days of the big bucks are coming to an end and there’s currently some great talent on the horizon for relative peanuts.
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Lorenzo to HRC as partner to Marquéz


2019 will be very interesting, but 2018 will for sure be a blast!


Now we need Marquez leaving for Ducati for good measure.
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The joys of Moto GP e’h my informant has always said Honda have a strange train of thought and here’s another.
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Ok, so MM might still have the field covered, but what a stupid crash leading the championship by so much so early.

He just can't get it under control.
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Ok, so MM might still have the field covered, but what a stupid crash leading the championship by so much so early.

He just can't get it under control.

Love him or hate him but it would be hard to deny that he rides right on the limit for the entire race, every race. Even with his unnatural ability to right a slide it's bound to put him on the ground from time to time. He's got a measure of skill that's leaving most of the rest of the field scratching their heads on how he does it. Yeah, he comes up short in his measure for concern of playing well with others which is odd because he wins without playing rough. But I also think as long as he's winning races without sanctions, championships, and being a respectable front man for HRC he's going to keep being himself.
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MM is an extremely talented rider, however I'm gonna start calling him the bowling ball. He just rolls through the field knocking down all the pins/riders out of his way till he gets to the end (which is sometimes the dirt)...
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MM is an extremely talented rider, however I'm gonna start calling him the bowling ball. He just rolls through the field knocking down all the pins/riders out of his way till he gets to the end (which is sometimes the dirt)...




Oversimplifying much?


What you described was Ianonne.


MM has 6 World Championships on his belt, and at his young age, plenty of time to very likely surpass everybody.

Actually he has said, that he's being forced to be "boring" by just being at the front of the race. He much rather be fighting with other riders to give more of a show...
Think about that.


So, if you don't like the bowling ball, sorry, be ready to see a lot of him, invariably, every year. And a collection of more world championships.


Unless of course, he decides to take a one year hiatus to go for another brand (or win nonetheless) or leave the sport altogether (like going to something else).
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Ok, so MM might still have the field covered, but what a stupid crash leading the championship by so much so early.

He just can't get it under control.




He'll just have more fun... as the said, he was 37 points under the lead at this time this year. He's still ahead...
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Oversimplifying much?


What you described was Ianonne.


MM has 6 World Championships on his belt, and at his young age, plenty of time to very likely surpass everybody.

Actually he has said, that he's being forced to be "boring" by just being at the front of the race. He much rather be fighting with other riders to give more of a show...
Think about that.


So, if you don't like the bowling ball, sorry, be ready to see a lot of him, invariably, every year. And a collection of more world championships.


Unless of course, he decides to take a one year hiatus to go for another brand (or win nonetheless) or leave the sport altogether (like going to something else).

First off, I never questioned his talent and I truly think he may one of the best (if not the) best rider of all time IF he doesn't get hurt or move on to something else as you stated. However, what I don't like about him is the dirty riding. How about the Argentina race? Aleix Esparago, Rossi, and Vinales might agree with me on that one. And there's this other guy, his name is Kevin Schwantz. I'll quote him here:

"Marc Marquez should be placed "on probation" for his dangerous riding in last weekend's Argentina MotoGP race, according to grand prix motorcycling legend Kevin Schwantz.
Reigning champion Marquez was the subject of harsh criticism for his riding in Termas de Rio Hondo, where he attracted the attention of the stewards for colliding with both Aleix Espargaro and Valentino Rossi, causing the latter to crash.

For 1993 500cc champion Schwantz, Marquez's behaviour in Argentina means he should be placed on notice for the remainder of the season, with any further contact he initiates met with disqualification.

"I think he’s been penalised for what he did," Schwantz told Motorsport.com. "But I think he should be on probation for the rest of the year.

"He needs to be told that if for any reason whatsoever, if he comes into contact with anyone else by his own doing, then he gets parked."

He added: "The thing is, even if they were mistakes where he outbraked himself and carried too much speed for the track conditions, he’s a champion, he knows what he’s doing - so he’s gonna know that he’s too fast even before he needs to commit to the inside of another bike and make contact.

"And if he knows that, then his judgement should be, ‘I’ve gotten in here too hot’ and then stand the bike up a little and run out wide before the apex and there’s no need to involve the other rider at all.

"You can’t just dive in, hit the other guy, and then say, ‘Oh, sorry, I made a mistake.’ We all know that’s not right.

"Everyone makes occasional mistakes in critical situations, but he shouldn’t keep creating his own critical situations where his mistakes then have consequences that put other riders in harm’s way."


And I'm not going to get into every race and every rider he's banged out of the way, but its quite a few. In my opinion he doesn't have to ride like that as good as he is, so why does he do it? Maybe you like to see people get hurt and stuff, I don't know? Me, I like a clean race. Oh, and maybe its so boring for Marquez in the last race being out front he fell asleep and crashed...go figure.
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"For 1993 500cc champion Schwantz, Marquez's behaviour in Argentina means he should be placed on notice for the remainder of the season, with any further contact he initiates met with disqualification."

That's ludicrous, Schwantz has spent too much time in the sun. It's OK to argue that race direction has been too easy on Marquez. It's not OK to argue that Marquez should be held to a different standard than other racers. There's nothing in the rulebook that causes a rider to be made an example of with a sword over their head. Haters need to lighten up and quit wishing impartiality would be thrown out just so Marquez can be subjected to insufferable punishments.

Every notable collision gets investigated, and after investigation it's either found to be a racing incident or else it's found to be irresponsible riding. Initiating contact isn't always deemed irresponsible riding--which is proof that Schwantz has lost his marbles. Irresponsible riding is penalized according to the rulebook, and the penalty can include disqualification. In other words, what's been going on is already covered by the existing rules, and the system works. Marquez is going to find himself out of the points if he habitually rides irresponsibly. I totally agree with Petrucci that if a racer ruins another racer's race then he should be penalized even if there isn't a crash. The rules allow for that.
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Andreas Pérez died after a crash in the motorcycle.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.c92eb2776b02


That's why, I never celebrate any racer crashing. We just don't know how serious mind end up being.
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Agree with that! Even though most crashes result in the racer hopping up and trying to resume the race, these tragic losses really sour the sport. I remeber when Luis Salom crashed and the racers insisted on reconfiguration of the corner. Sad weekend.
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but this is also a reason people take exception to MM's aggressiveness on track...
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I'm not a big fan of MM but I like what someone on here said a while back - if you don't like riding near "the bowling ball" then you're going to need to ride faster and put him behind you. If not, then get ready to use your elbows during the race. Not excusing his behavior.
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This is a late add, but I was at the Mugello race. The environment is electric! It is like a festival there, noise, partying, crazy people, everything!

The Italians have a great track tucked in the middle of nowhere. I stayed in Florence and took a train. Though there is a train track that runs literally feet from the track, it doesn't have a stop there. Official numbers are about 90K people, but there are easily 160K (people don't leave, they climb fences, etc...) and yet everyone has to drive or walk from a nearby town... I had a 4 mile walk each way. The gates... there are like two entrances and each one only had two ticket takers. Italians don't believe in lines so the crowd just pushes to the two people (also why actual numbers are tough to get) taking tickets.

The cheers when 93 went down were deafening, it would not surprise me if he heard the cheers himself. It is a very Rossi crowd and prior to the race the entire valley was Yellow Smoke, this has to be a humbling experience to see all that and know it is just for you.

Anyway, it was a fantastic time and I would recommend it for sure. The track access isn't like Philip Island by any means but it was a great time!
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