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FP 1 & a wet FP 2 are in the books, Ducatis strong early, Marquez leading the way in the wet, Rossi & Vinales struggling, its early and Rossi seems to find a way to pull something out as the days progress, hopefully it will be a close race,

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Ducatis 1-2-3 In Opening MotoGP Practice at Austrian GP

Friday, August 10, 2018

Pos. Rider Team Bike Time
1 Andrea Dovizioso Ducati Team Ducati GP18 1:23.830
2 Jorge Lorenzo Ducati Team Ducati GP18 1:24.045
3 Danilo Petrucci Alma Pramac Racing Ducati GP18 1:24.320
4 Marc Marquez Repsol Honda Team Honda RC213V 1:24.411
5 Andrea Iannone Team SUZUKI ECSTAR Suzuki GSX-RR 1:24.436
6 Dani Pedrosa Repsol Honda Team Honda RC213V 1:24.474
7 Cal Crutchlow LCR Honda Honda RC213V 1:24.491
8 Tito Rabat Reale Avintia Racing Ducati 1:24.676
9 Johann Zarco Monster Yamaha Tech 3 Yamaha YZR-M1 1:24.767
10 Maverick Vinales Movistar Yamaha MotoGP Yamaha YZR-M1 1:24.835
11 Valentino Rossi Movistar Yamaha MotoGP Yamaha YZR-M1 1:24.884
12 Aleix Espargaro Aprilia Racing Team Gresini Aprilia RS-GP 1:24.904
13 Alvaro Bautista Pull&Bear Aspar Team Ducati 1:24.938
14 Alex Rins Team SUZUKI ECSTAR Suzuki GSX-RR 1:24.939
15 Bradley Smith Red Bull KTM Factory Racing KTM 1:24.973
16 Takaaki Nakagami LCR Honda IDEMITSU Honda RC213V 1:25.011
17 Franco Morbidelli Team EG 0,0 Marc VDS Honda RC213V 1:25.107
18 Jack Miller Alma Pramac Racing Ducati GP18 1:25.184
19 Scott Redding Octo Pramac Racing Ducati 1:25.354
20 Karel Abraham Ángel Nieto Team Ducati 1:25.541
21 Hafizh Syahrin Monster Yamaha Tech 3 Yamaha YZR-M1 1:25.594
22 Xavier Simeon Reale Avintia Racing Ducati 1:25.752
23 Thomas Luthi Team EG 0,0 Marc VDS Honda RC213V 1:25.979

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Honda’s Marquez Leads Redding In Wet Second Practice At Red Bull Ring. Rossi Tenth.

Friday, August 10, 2018

Pos. Rider Team Bike Time
1 Marc Marquez Repsol Honda Team Honda RC213V 1:33.995
2 Scott Redding Octo Pramac Racing Ducati 1:34.538
3 Danilo Petrucci Alma Pramac Racing Ducati GP18 1:34.981
4 Jorge Lorenzo Ducati Team Ducati GP18 1:35.488
5 Andrea Dovizioso Ducati Team Ducati GP18 1:35.514
6 Bradley Smith Red Bull KTM Factory Racing KTM 1:35.970
7 Alex Rins Team SUZUKI ECSTAR Suzuki GSX-RR 1:35.985
8 Jack Miller Alma Pramac Racing Ducati GP18 1:36.135
9 Cal Crutchlow LCR Honda Honda RC213V 1:36.202
10 Valentino Rossi Movistar Yamaha MotoGP Yamaha YZR-M1 1:36.327
11 Andrea Iannone Team SUZUKI ECSTAR Suzuki GSX-RR 1:36.384
12 Xavier Simeon Reale Avintia Racing Ducati 1:36.950
13 Franco Morbidelli Team EG 0,0 Marc VDS Honda RC213V 1:37.105
14 Tito Rabat Reale Avintia Racing Ducati 1:37.296
15 Johann Zarco Monster Yamaha Tech 3 Yamaha YZR-M1 1:37.361
16 Aleix Espargaro Aprilia Racing Team Gresini Aprilia RS-GP 1:37.552
17 Thomas Luthi Team EG 0,0 Marc VDS Honda RC213V 1:37.772
18 Karel Abraham Ángel Nieto Team Ducati 1:37.876
19 Hafizh Syahrin Monster Yamaha Tech 3 Yamaha YZR-M1 1:38.072
20 Maverick Vinales Movistar Yamaha MotoGP Yamaha YZR-M1 1:38.174
21 Alvaro Bautista Pull&Bear Aspar Team Ducati 1:38.892
22 Takaaki Nakagami LCR Honda IDEMITSU Honda RC213V 1:39.349
23 Dani Pedrosa Repsol Honda Team Honda RC213V 1:39.911
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Re: SPOILER - Austria MotoGP

Qualifying in the books, it's hard to understand why the factory Yamahas are having as much trouble with electronics, Vinales in 11th, Rossi in 14th and he didn't make it out of Q1 and Marquez, where else, 1st, just give him the trophy and send him home,

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MotoGP Austria MotoGP Q2 Results 2018 (Combined)
Pos. Rider Team Bike Time

1 Marc Marquez Repsol Honda Team Honda RC213V 1:23.241
2 Andrea Dovizioso Ducati Team Ducati GP18 1:23.243
3 Jorge Lorenzo Ducati Team Ducati GP18 1:23.376
4 Danilo Petrucci Alma Pramac Racing Ducati GP18 1:23.503
5 Cal Crutchlow LCR Honda Honda RC213V 1:23.812
6 Johann Zarco Monster Yamaha Tech 3 Yamaha YZR-M1 1:23.887
7 Tito Rabat Reale Avintia Racing Ducati 1:23.922
8 Andrea Iannone Team SUZUKI ECSTAR Suzuki GSX-RR 1:24.091
9 Dani Pedrosa Repsol Honda Team Honda RC213V 1:24.124
10 Alex Rins Team SUZUKI ECSTAR Suzuki GSX-RR 1:24.227
11 Maverick Vinales Movistar Yamaha MotoGP Yamaha YZR-M1 1:24.284
12 Alvaro Bautista Pull&Bear Aspar Team Ducati 1:24.342
13 Bradley Smith Red Bull KTM Factory Racing KTM 1:24.245
14 Valentino Rossi Movistar Yamaha MotoGP Yamaha YZR-M1 1:24.309
15 Aleix Espargaro Aprilia Racing Team Gresini Aprilia RS-GP 1:24.762
16 Franco Morbidelli Team EG 0,0 Marc VDS Honda RC213V 1:24.767
17 Jack Miller Alma Pramac Racing Ducati GP18 1:24.805
18 Hafizh Syahrin Monster Yamaha Tech 3 Yamaha YZR-M1 1:24.834
19 Xavier Simeon Reale Avintia Racing Ducati 1:24.868
20 Scott Redding Octo Pramac Racing Ducati 1:25.067
21 Takaaki Nakagami LCR Honda IDEMITSU Honda RC213V 1:25.178
22 Thomas Luthi Team EG 0,0 Marc VDS Honda RC213V 1:25.310
23 Karel Abraham Ángel Nieto Team Ducati 1:25.339
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Re: SPOILER - Austria MotoGP

Pretty exciting race between Marquez, Lorenzo, and Dovioso, glad to see someone other than MM winning, congrats to Lorenzo, it's going to be real interesting next year when they're both on Hondas, fireworks? Maybe,

MotoGP Austria MotoGP Race Results 2018
Pos. Rider Team Bike Time/Gap

1 Jorge Lorenzo Ducati Team Ducati GP18 39:40.688
2 Marc Marquez Repsol Honda Team Honda RC213V 0.130
3 Andrea Dovizioso Ducati Team Ducati GP18 1.656
4 Cal Crutchlow LCR Honda Honda RC213V 9.434
5 Danilo Petrucci Alma Pramac Racing Ducati GP18 13.169
6 Valentino Rossi Movistar Yamaha MotoGP Yamaha YZR-M1 14.026
7 Dani Pedrosa Repsol Honda Team Honda RC213V 14.156
8 Alex Rins Team SUZUKI ECSTAR Suzuki GSX-RR 16.644
9 Johann Zarco Monster Yamaha Tech 3 Yamaha YZR-M1 20.760
10 Alvaro Bautista Pull&Bear Aspar Team Ducati 20.844
11 Tito Rabat Reale Avintia Racing Ducati 21.114
12 Maverick Vinales Movistar Yamaha MotoGP Yamaha YZR-M1 22.939
13 Andrea Iannone Team SUZUKI ECSTAR Suzuki GSX-RR 26.523
14 Bradley Smith Red Bull KTM Factory Racing KTM 29.168
15 Takaaki Nakagami LCR Honda IDEMITSU Honda RC213V 30.072
16 Hafizh Syahrin Monster Yamaha Tech 3 Yamaha YZR-M1 30.343
17 Aleix Espargaro Aprilia Racing Team Gresini Aprilia RS-GP 31.775
18 Jack Miller Alma Pramac Racing Ducati GP18 34.375
19 Franco Morbidelli Team EG 0,0 Marc VDS Honda RC213V 40.171
20 Scott Redding Aprilia Racing Team Gresini Aprilia RS-GP 53.020
21 Karel Abraham Ángel Nieto Team Ducati 53.261
22 Thomas Luthi Team EG 0,0 Marc VDS Honda RC213V 54.355
DNF Xavier Simeon Reale Avintia Racing Ducati 18 LAPS
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Re: SPOILER - Austria MotoGP

That was a fun finish. MM said in his post race interview that he pushed to his limit to win but I have to wonder if he wasn't thinking about the championship points for a second. Either way, kudos to Lorenzo for finally finding his mojo again. It's been hard, over the last few years, to remember that he is a 5 time champion and still fairly young. The burning question on my mind is will he be able to come to terms with the Honda given his sensibilities to how the bike performs for him.
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Re: SPOILER - Austria MotoGP

The ducati is just finding it's stability and Lorenzo is thriving.
MM and Honda work best with a sliding bike and Lorenzo is going to HATE it. Pedrosa tried his best and has given up.

The question is will he be able to adjust or will it be another two years, collect a fat paycheck and done for an immense talent.
He COULD have contended for another world title next year on the Ducati with an additional year of development and experience, but his difficult demeanor meant both sides are going to suffer for a while. Lorenzo on Honda, and Ducati with Dovi and Petrucci.
What is going on with Yamaha... Hard to understand WHY a factory team waits over a year to develop an electronics package that competes with Honda and Ducati. Unless, they believe that money is better spent elsewhere and that a universal ecu with further restrictions is on the horizon.
Or is this an inherent design weakness of the inline 4 vs V4?
Or for the conspiracy theorists, is a higher power trying to nudge Rossi into retirement? No way. He brings too many fans and makes too much money for the sport.

On another note, I have noted a change in the language from Vinales. Previously, you would hear either directly or in the undertone of his words, that he believes the bike is not being developed in his way. I think that has ultimately lead to the split with his chief engineer. Now, since the split is imminent, I think they've just given Vinales what he thinks he wants and his results have been even worse. And Focada is smiling...
I don't think you'll hear so much the complaining about wanting it HIS way anymore. It's now mirroring Rossi's complaints about the bike development.

It will be a sad conclusion for Rossi if yamaha can't match Honda and Ducati's game.
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Re: SPOILER - Austria MotoGP

Yamaha’s situation is actually very uncomplicated!! When Dorna announced a spec ECU was going to be developed by Magnetti Marelli when it was completed Ducati went and poached the guys that developed it the Japanese as is their way said they would sort it themselves and in the end had to recruit ex MM employees all except Yamaha Eeeee Ewwww and still they haven’t sorted it.
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Yamaha’s situation is actually very uncomplicated!! When Dorna announced a spec ECU was going to be developed by Magnetti Marelli when it was completed Ducati went and poached the guys that developed it the Japanese as is their way said they would sort it themselves and in the end had to recruit ex MM employees all except Yamaha Eeeee Ewwww and still they haven’t sorted it.


Jeez, even Russian hackers could have sorted it out by now - or even a couple of pimply faced kids living in their parent's basement. This is definitely no more complicated than a lot of physics simulations that are routine these days and hell, even if they weren't given any documentation on the ECU firmware, I know a couple of college kids that could have cracked it in a few weeks and been asking you "What do you want it to do?"

But then, software was never really ever in the wheelhouse of Japanese or Italian engineers as it is in the US, China, Russia, or even Ireland.

We have no way of knowing but it's kinda hard to understand, that on a 8 figure $ GP bike program, that they can't make the spec ECU do what they want it to do and while Ducati can.
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Yes, considering they all had their own ecu's just a couple years ago and presumably this current one comes with a service manual and wiring diagram...
You'd think the best and brightest at yamaha would have figured something out by now.


No, there is something else going on, imo. I just don't see can't. But won't.
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No, there is something else going on, imo. I just don't see can't. But won't.

There is!! easy it most certainly ain’t for you guys who don’t know/realise the center of the universe for all things ECU and fuelling is Italy and has been for some time,it’s only become complicated by the Japanese refusal to adjust,Honda have also been behind the game but realised the errors of their ways and done something about by getting their heads around the Magnetti Marrelli ECU Yamaha have not.

But this is where it gets really complicated while their is a spec ECU other software on the bike is not,so companies still have free rein too errrrrr ajust things!!! this will stop next year and you may well see companies playing catch-up again.
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So this I can see.
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I can believe that this ECU programming is a complicated thing from the prospective of the motorcycle tuning universe in MotoGP but it can hardly be compared to some of the physics modeling in software/firmware that is relatively routine these days. If it's the ECU holding them back, then maybe what they need is a more scientific approach to making the bike match the rider's abilities and get some guys on the problem that are used to modeling these kids of things instead of some Italian or Japanese software engineering knuckleheads.

I have no idea what the limits or design parameters are for the spec ECU but if they all use the same starting point, then while it might be akin to rocket surgery there are people who are experts at that kind of stuff - apparently just not at Yamaha.
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If you want the perfect example of folks thinking this ECU software for bikes is easy have a look at BMW when they tried to buy the WSB championship and rocked up with some great software guys who worked on cars on the basis it’s all the same the rest of paddock have not stopped laughing since and BM learned a lesson just like Yamaha are and now with one of the main men is falling on his sword publicly.

Serves e’m right it isn’t easy it’s taken Honda two years to dig themselves out of a hole.
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No one said it was easy but they had much more complicated systems just a couple years ago...
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Yes the systems of a couple years ago where complicated because a few team had bottomless budgets and others didn’t and hence why Dorna have done what they have and why Yamaha have failed to adapt to a cheaper more basic system when others have.

Over here BSB championship has no electronics period to keep the cost down and Yamaha have won Suzuka for the last 4 years because that bike they run has virtually no rules and has the best electronics of any race bike in the world because no one is going to introduce a price cap for one race a year.
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They used to have those BSB races on TV here way after they happened but I really enjoyed them. Was some good racing. Haven't been able to find them since.
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The BSB is a really strong championship and there is some logic to keeping cost down,most teams are saving between £3/500,000 a season the problem being its great for the organisers but bad for the riders,no wild cards in WSB because of no software and the jump to Moto GP is monumental within a few years I doubt if any Brits will be in Moto GP.
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I was in Austria and popped in to see first practice on Friday - what a beautiful circuit! Spent more time hiding from the rain than watching though

Got home in time to watch the race on BT Sport. Oh Lorenzo, I worship the man when he is on that type of form.

Oh - and Scott Reading's comments made me smile. Surprised he will still be riding at Silverstone!

And on the subject of BSB - good to see Shakey looking less like Frankenstein!
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We where asked if we where going to Austria and said no for the very reasons on Friday so it’s Silverstone in a week and Aragon next month,would like to Valencia at the end but sort8ng hotels out is a nightmare.

Hopefully when Shakey makes a decision he’ll realise the least important is what he he thinks!!

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